Kingsnake on Injecting IGF-1 LR3 into the CC for cell divison and growth

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Hey fellas. I've kept this to myself but for the last couple of weeks I've been studing up on IGF -1 LR3, better known as Insulin-like Growth Factor Long R3.

Bodybuilders have been using this stuff for a hot minute now to cause hyperplasia incourage cellular divison in there skeletal muscles. I have come across various bodybuilding sites and even Penis Enlargement sites where members have been injecting with IGF directly into there CC and reporting girth gains weeks to months after.

From the studies I've read to keep the IGF locally in the penis to attached to recepter sites, one has to use a cock ring or clamp for 10 to 20 minutes so most of the IGF stays in the penis and has time to bind to available receptors in the CC and not go systemic. A couple of members have said that after a couple of weeks of using IGF they can feel there CCs expanding and pushing against the tunica since the tunica has not yet grown to accomidate the newly grown CC inside. They call it the stuffed sausage feeling. Some members even said that the continued pressure of the CC against the tunica eventually caused the tunica to expand as well to releave the pressure.

The protocal is to first apply some form of stress to the penis like stretching, hanging or girth work to stimulate a growth/healing response. After the penis has been properly worked then you would work up to a semi erection and clamp it off with a constriction device then you would inject 10 to 20mcgs of IGF into the CC and leave it clamped off for 15 to 20 minutes so most of the IGF stays in your penis and has time to attached to receptors and start the growth/ cell division process.

Members from other Penis Enlargement sites have been reporting huge girth gains from this protocal after weeks to a couple of months of taking it. One particular member from Penis Enlargementgym named stagestop has reported a 1.5 inch gain in girth from a little over a year of taking IGF. One good thing about IGF is you can order it off the web and it doesn't require a priscription. Im thinking about getting some but before I do, I would like to share information about IGF with members here that have more experiance with it.

One thing that worries me about it is if IGF stimulates celluar divison in smooth muscle, skeletical muscle, and soft tissue then could this also stimulate cell division in other organs like the heart and cause problems if it goes systemic.

I remember a long time ago Supra was experimenting with IGF but I never found out what results he had with it. Let's research this chemical guys and discuss the potential with IGF.
 
The problem is that it is a finit endproduct. This means you can get too much of it. It might throw your body off.
The pathway to IGF has some more processes involved. If the body somehow recognizes that IGF is enough already there it might not do the steps needed to produce igf naturaly.
This might mean in extreme case it stops it even if you stop external IGF. (or counteracting it).
Then you have the risk that it connects somewhere else in the body. Some doubts that it might let the prostata grow :(. You will mostly hear the heros who gained an inch EG but not the ones where it failed.

Thats for the bad part.

Personaly, as I read your posts, I think you have quiet some room to improve with basic building blocks. You did gain much from dedicated extreme non chempe exercises.
Why not maxing the stuff like vit e and amino acids out without much deconditioning first? You will gain that way probably too.
After that you still have room for stuff like DHT, Testos and IGF. By that time you have already a freaging 14 inch cock lol

If you just provide the building blocks the body will use them for what is needed. Means you train the smooth muscle or tunica and the body will use the stuff available to heal/grow.
If that doesnt do the trick anymore you might supply the endproduct for the body.

I think using it to the right time with the right helping supplements, to maximize the use, is key.
Thats why I woudl look into the pathway and how it is created to help the whole process i nthe right moments.

Using as less as possible to get growth is wise. Clamping it off after application is very good.
I would think to look into the whole process associated to IGF to get a good overview on where you are interacting in your body.

I will look these days further into it while researching for the dmso stuff. Just working my way up. Its like damn studying :D
 
i would not inject that into your penis as you must mix igf1 lr3 with acetic acid and acetic acid kills any tissue it is injected into for muscle its not bad because you rotate spots. just so you know igf1 lr3 is systemic all this means is it that no matter were you stick it you will have increased igf1 blood plasma levels for like 8 hr.

acetic acid has been used to kill tumors. from what i understand the reason you can't just use ba is because igf needs a certain ph levels to become active when reconstituted and to stay stable. . if you have never shot igf1 that shit stings like a bitch do to high ph level even when you dilute it.
 
If this is of any help, I think they use IGF-1 after injecting a vasodilator, such as PGE1(prostagladin). They call it a "potentiator" (the IGF1) which means it makes the original injection (vasodilator - PGE1) more potent.
Here's a link to some Penis Enlargement king (the inventor of the Divosuit) on his gains through injections. Dude went from 7x5.5 to 8.5x7 in 18 months I believe. He even has a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words] for injecting. Looks pretty cool, and seeing as how he invented the divosuit and has picture proof of his progression with the chemical Penis Enlargement, I think he's a very good role model and source of information:
http://www.chempe.com/2010/04/injections.html?zx=37d462b92f4592f3
Here's a link with more info:
http://www.chempe.com/search?updated-max=2011-02-17T17:11:00-05:00&max-results=100
 
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Dapper Dan;495015 said:
Some greeezy shit
I looked into that chem pe site, looks interesting.
I wonder how much that shit costs?
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Peter south gave me a link where it costs 50$ for "PGE1 10ml x 100mcg/ml"
 
MikeShlort;495006 said:
If this is of any help, I think they use IGF-1 after injecting a vasodilator, such as PGE1(prostagladin). They call it a "potentiator" (the IGF1) which means it makes the original injection (vasodilator - PGE1) more potent.
Here's a link to some Penis Enlargement king (the inventor of the Divosuit) on his gains through injections. Dude went from 7x5.5 to 8.5x7 in 18 months I believe. He even has a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words] for injecting. Looks pretty cool, and seeing as how he invented the divosuit and has picture proof of his progression with the chemical Penis Enlargement, I think he's a very good role model and source of information:
http://www.chempe.com/2010/04/injections.html?zx=37d462b92f4592f3
Here's a link with more info:
http://www.chempe.com/search?updated-max=2011-02-17T17:11:00-05:00&max-results=100
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im not sure how the Penis EnlargementG1 could have anything to do with the fact you must use acetic acid to reconstitute the igf1 due to ph level with out correct ph level the igf1 will only last 2 days

here is a link to the specs on igf1 look at reconstitution

http://www.creative-biolabs.com/catalogueprotein/pdf/Long-R3-IGF-I (CRP0805).pdf
 
Interesting stuff Kingsnake, always awesome research.
 
Ok cool. I figured creating a thread about this would help with getting the full scoop on IGF before considering tryin it. From reading what members that inject igf on other Penis Enlargement sites, they say that the half like for igf is only 20 minutes so Im thinking with the use of a cock ring or constriction device for 20 to 30 minutes which they recommend, this will help keep the igf in the penis to bind to available receptors sites and by the time the cock ring is removed the igf's effects and binding ability will be just about done with before it causes any wide range systimatic effects. Won't be going this route though with the potential prostate problems that can come from it. Good research fellas. Still impressed with the gains that members over at the Penis Enlargementgym are saying they've gained from it.

Just found a member with extensive information on IGF on this link http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?11148-Know-Your-Igf-lr3igf&p=97986#post97986
 
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kingsnake;495115 said:
Ok cool. I figured creating a thread about this would help with getting the full scoop on IGF before considering tryin it. From reading what members that inject igf on other Penis Enlargement sites, they say that the half like for igf is only 20 minutes so Im thinking with the use of a cock ring or constriction device for 20 to 30 minutes which they recommend, this will help keep the igf in the penis to bind to available receptors sites and by the time the cock ring is removed the igf's effects and binding ability will be just about done with before it causes any wide range systimatic effects. Won't be going this route though with the potential prostate problems that can come from it. Good research fellas. Still impressed with the gains that members over at the Penis Enlargementgym are saying they've gained from it.

Just found a member with extensive information on IGF on this link http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?11148-Know-Your-Igf-lr3igf&p=97986#post97986
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This makes much sense. A really tight clamped off dick for the max time and with a dose that is fully absorbed will probably stay local.
The perfect dose might not even reach the prostata as it is consumed by the smooth muscle tissue.
I think there is some limit to what amount the igf can bind inside the smooth muscle.

I wonder how IGF works in small doses and applied not every day but just right after a very intense workout where the tissue is ready to absorb. Maybe in combination with stuff that enhances the IGF penetration ability.
Like opening up the tissue with DMSO. Then a very intense workout and IGF on top of it while being clamped. Then apply stuff that helps the IGF and in turn the hyperplasia to go on smoothly.
Some(!) IGF users it seems just want the fast fix, without having to work, and this makes them prone to not using the perfect possible window.

For me at least a daily supplementing without a plan when and how to apply it is most efficient, is wasted due to the risks involved. Also in above link the guy -forgiven- states the following what I already suspected can happen:
"From all of my research, I suppose one of two things might have happened to prevent me from making further gains. What I truly suspect is that the Long R3 IGF-1 downregulated the amount of binding proteins being produced by my body"
Tough it was related to bodybuilding and thus a very systemic approach.
 
Hey dickerschwanz. Yeah for use of penis enlargment most users only inject 10mcgs into there units while clamped off. 10mcgs is really not that much to spread all through out the body. Most bodybuilders that inject it into there muscles use 75 to 100mcgs at a time.

Most chemical Penis Enlargementers that do this usuallly only inject 3 times a week and it's best done after a Penis Enlargement workout. The IGF-1 seems to work best on tissues that have just been stressed.

I also forgot to mention that for the use of enlarging the penis, IGF-1 is what we would want to use since that's the drug with the 20 minute half life.

IGF-1 LR3 on the other hand is a more potent form of IGF-1 with a half live of 12 to 20 hrs. This is something we don't want since we can't keep a tight constriction device on our dick for 12 to 20 hrs. With IGF-1 LR3 as soon as we take off the constriction device after 20 to 30 minutes the chemical will definitely spread through out the body and go systematic.

Just plan ol IGF-1 with it's 20 minute half life seems to be the safest and shows promising results.
 
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diesel225;495043 said:
im not sure how the Penis EnlargementG1 could have anything to do with the fact you must use acetic acid to reconstitute the igf1 due to ph level with out correct ph level the igf1 will only last 2 days

here is a link to the specs on igf1 look at reconstitution

http://www.creative-biolabs.com/catalogueprotein/pdf/Long-R3-IGF-I (CRP0805).pdf
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I'm not sure it needs to last any more than 2 days?
From what I understand, the injections are done a good 3-5 times a week
 
kingsnake;495115 said:
Ok cool. I figured creating a thread about this would help with getting the full scoop on IGF before considering tryin it. From reading what members that inject igf on other Penis Enlargement sites, they say that the half like for igf is only 20 minutes so Im thinking with the use of a cock ring or constriction device for 20 to 30 minutes which they recommend, this will help keep the igf in the penis to bind to available receptors sites and by the time the cock ring is removed the igf's effects and binding ability will be just about done with before it causes any wide range systimatic effects. Won't be going this route though with the potential prostate problems that can come from it. Good research fellas. Still impressed with the gains that members over at the Penis Enlargementgym are saying they've gained from it.

Just found a member with extensive information on IGF on this link http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?11148-Know-Your-Igf-lr3igf&p=97986#post97986
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Can you post the link to the Penis Enlargementgym thread where they talk about their IGF gains? Thanks
 
Hey Mikeshlorts. Not sure if we're aloud to post links to other Penis Enlargement sites on here. Just to be on the safe side go to Thundersplace and there's a member there named stagestop that has IGF-1 in his chemical Penis Enlargement protocal. He's reported a 1.5 inch girth gain from it from the use of IGF-1. On the Penis Enlargementgym site go to the search bar and type in IGF-1 and a bunch of threads will pop up. Also if you go to google and type in igf-1 injections for penile growth, a bunch of info about it will pull up even on bodybuilding websites where they too talk about penile injections with IGF-1.
 
Always had a problem with the thought of a needle close to my dick. Also chemicals that aren't natural per say always made me look with caution. In the begging they seem to work great but after a while people notice ill effects. Of course it could also work wonders. My opinion is get as much info as you can before.Good luck anyway you go!
 
if a chemical method is found that works safely it would change pe forever
 
kingsnake;495115 said:
Ok cool. I figured creating a thread about this would help with getting the full scoop on IGF before considering tryin it. From reading what members that inject igf on other Penis Enlargement sites, they say that the half like for igf is only 20 minutes so Im thinking with the use of a cock ring or constriction device for 20 to 30 minutes which they recommend, this will help keep the igf in the penis to bind to available receptors sites and by the time the cock ring is removed the igf's effects and binding ability will be just about done with before it causes any wide range systimatic effects. Won't be going this route though with the potential prostate problems that can come from it. Good research fellas. Still impressed with the gains that members over at the Penis Enlargementgym are saying they've gained from it.

Just found a member with extensive information on IGF on this link http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?11148-Know-Your-Igf-lr3igf&p=97986#post97986
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your right king but they are confusing reg ig1 and the igf-lr3 the lr3 part of this is what they bonded to the igf1 to increase total life of the peptide form 20 min to 12 hr the reason for this is it is used by bodybuilders and the reg igf1 20 min life span was insufficient. most users claim more growth to the muscle it is injected in but technically it doesn't matte were you stick the lr3 as plasma levels are increased.


its like test enenthate or test cyp they are both are testosterone no difference at all the difference is the ester test has a half life of like an hr in the body but drug companies need viable so they add these esters on to the testosterone the difference in cyp and enenehthate if clearance time

cyp 12 days for total clearance peak plasma levels in 6 day this is called the half life.
enenthate 7 days 3.5 for peak plasma levels

my main objection to injecting it was due to the acetic acid not the igf1. if you are just using the ba water then i think it would be helpful and would cause hyperplasia. if your looking for just straight igf1 it will cost a lot less and may since you are only looking for the short duration and site specific work be the best choice. another one you might think of as even better is DES IGF1 it is short duration and is 1000 stronger then reg ifg1 but agin I'm not sure as the penis is not muscle and might not effect it like it does muscle mass.

im not sure if this would help but this is how bodybuilders use the igf1 r3 protocol they use mgf first then 15 min later inject igf1 in the same muscle group. the reason for this is mgf is like a cell activator and in the igf family but like most peptides they they are opposing so they can not be in the same place at the same time. then you induce the igf1 and it builds on the work the mgf did. I'm not sure if this would help in the penis but i thought i would mention it. maybe someone would try it.
 
i have been on the bodybuilding boards and some say just ba water will be fine so i would use that for injection.

this is from that article you have above.

"The dilutents you will need for the IGF are a weak concentration of Hydrochloric Acid And A Sterile Buffer(Sterile Water Or Bacteriostatic Water) the procedure for diluting the IGF is not very difficult, the dilutents can be obtained from most local chemical suppliers and a good source of IGF would also be able to supply the necessary dilutents."

i wouldn't inject hydrochloric acid or any acid into the penis this was all i was trying to say.
 
Never knew water would need to be so specific...why?
 
doublelongdaddy;495408 said:
Never knew water would need to be so specific...why?
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I guess it needs to be sterile or it could cause an infection, maybe something to do with mixing it with the proteins.
 
Yes you can combine IGF-1 into the syringe with the PGE1. I don't do this yet because I want to see what the PGE1 does by itself first.

I have some IGF-1 DES which has more of a local effect and may work better. Right now I just inject it into my triceps and delts after a workout, it is very anabolic.

Some think it would cause hyperplasia or splitting of cells as opposed to merely growing the cells.
 
Bacteriostatic water will be fine for peptides, I think you can get them off of Amazon or you can make it yourself. I always ordered it.
 
I would also like to add to research the company you're getting your IGF1. Just Google their name and look for reviews. Sometimes bodybuilders will test these sites peptides to see if they're legit.

I wonder how many guys that didn't gain were using fake igf-1 or under dosed igf-1.
 
Technically ester does effect potency for testosterone, as it plays a role in the total molecular weight. For testosterone enanthate dosed at 250mg/mL, it's equal to about 180mg of free testosterone, that leaves 70mg of total weight dedicated to the ester. Testosterone cypionate would technically be less potent at the same dose/compound due to the fact that the ester contains 1 more carbon atom, and therefore taking up a larger percentage of total weight.

EDIT: This is a measurable difference, however not too significant. Now I go...
 
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As far as peptides go, I've been using Manpower Nutrition for about a year, and of the things I have tried, it has been legit.

Ranging from Isotretinoin, Sildenafil Citrate, Exemestane, Anastrozole, Cabergoline, IGF-1 LR3, and Clenbuterol. It's mpresearchsupply.com.

They also have IGF-1 DES and GHRP-2 and GHRP-6, which I have heard second hand accounts of success when combined with their other peptides like IGF-1 and CJC-1295 W/ DAC.

However, there's a ton of conflicting information and empirical evidence and research out there in regards to peptides and their combination with other drugs. Sooooooo, don't go crazy and read read read as much as you can. These days I try and stay as natural as possible.
 
sizerp;496289 said:
Technically ester does effect potency for testosterone, as it plays a role in the total molecular weight. For testosterone enanthate dosed at 250mg/mL, it's equal to about 180mg of free testosterone, that leaves 70mg of total weight dedicated to the ester. Testosterone cypionate would technically be less potent at the same dose/compound due to the fact that the ester contains 1 more carbon atom, and therefore taking up a larger percentage of total weight.

EDIT: This is a measurable difference, however not too significant. Now I go...
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who was talking about potency of testosterone because they have an ester attached? i was tailing about clearance times of esters so I'm not sure if that was directed at me?

i just talked to a guy i know who used to own a peptide company and he said the acetic acid is there just to keep it stable. and with out it the peptide is worthless in 24 to 48 hr. that way i was saying just find some raw igf1 it will be cheaper since you are only using it for spot injecting. as for the good peptide companies most of these place get there peptides from china i think there are 2 that don't they get it from a US manufacture. so if you are going to do research work on your rats i like greatwhitepeptide.com keeps my rats growing, but remember peptides are only legal if you are using the for research so don't ask the companies any questions as they would by law have to refuse to sell to you.
 
diesel225;495295 said:
your right king but they are confusing reg ig1 and the igf-lr3 the lr3 part of this is what they bonded to the igf1 to increase total life of the peptide form 20 min to 12 hr the reason for this is it is used by bodybuilders and the reg igf1 20 min life span was insufficient. most users claim more growth to the muscle it is injected in but technically it doesn't matte were you stick the lr3 as plasma levels are increased.


its like test enenthate or test cyp they are both are testosterone no difference at all the difference is the ester test has a half life of like an hr in the body but drug companies need viable so they add these esters on to the testosterone the difference in cyp and enenehthate if clearance time

cyp 12 days for total clearance peak plasma levels in 6 day this is called the half life.
enenthate 7 days 3.5 for peak plasma levels

my main objection to injecting it was due to the acetic acid not the igf1. if you are just using the ba water then i think it would be helpful and would cause hyperplasia. if your looking for just straight igf1 it will cost a lot less and may since you are only looking for the short duration and site specific work be the best choice. another one you might think of as even better is DES IGF1 it is short duration and is 1000 stronger then reg ifg1 but agin I'm not sure as the penis is not muscle and might not effect it like it does muscle mass.

im not sure if this would help but this is how bodybuilders use the igf1 r3 protocol they use mgf first then 15 min later inject igf1 in the same muscle group. the reason for this is mgf is like a cell activator and in the igf family but like most peptides they they are opposing so they can not be in the same place at the same time. then you induce the igf1 and it builds on the work the mgf did. I'm not sure if this would help in the penis but i thought i would mention it. maybe someone would try it.
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It was in response to this post.
 
Furthermore, I know you weren't discussing the molecular weight or potency of either compound, however since you were wrong about the half-life of Test Cyp., I figured I'd chime in. The half-life of Test Cyp is NOT 12 days, it's about 16 days, and the active life is 8 days.

Testosterone Cypionate Profile

17b-hydroxy-4-androsten-3-one
Testosterone base + cypionate ester
Formula: C27 H40 O3
Molecular Weight: 412.6112
Molecular Weight (base): 288.429
Molecular Weight (ester): 132.1184
Formula (base): C19 H28 O2
Formula (ester): C8 H14 O2
Melting Point (base): 155
Melting Point (ester): 98 - 104 C
Manufacturer: Various
Effective Dose (Men): 300-2000mg+ week
Effective Dose (Women): Not recommended
Active life: 8 days
Detection Time: 3 months
Anabolic/Androgenic ratio: 100/100.

Lastly, I remain confident you are not qualified to share truth or expertise on the subject and should therefore refrain from sharing any theories. You're just dumbing down the forum.
 
Just a warning on IGF1. When a cell divides it goes through a process where it checks for errors that could possibly lead to cancer. If however it is pushed to divide again after having only just divided it won't have a chance to check for these errors. This is what IGF1 does. The following is taken from the IGF1 page on wikipedia:
"Contribution to ageing

It is now widely accepted that signaling through the insulin/IGF-1-like receptor pathway is a significant contributor to the biological aging process in many organisms. This avenue of research first achieved prominence with the work of Cynthia Kenyon, who showed that mutations in the daf-2 gene could double the lifespan of the roundworm C. elegans.[9] daf-2 encodes the worm's unified insulin/IGF-1-like receptor.
Insulin/IGF-1-like signaling is conserved from worms to humans. In vitro experiments show that mutations that reduce insulin/IGF-1 signaling have been shown to decelerate the degenerative aging process and extend lifespan in a wide range of organisms, including Drosophila melanogaster, mice,[10] and possibly humans.[11][12][13][14] Reduced IGF-1 signaling is also thought to contribute to the "anti-aging" effects of Calorie restriction.[15]
Nevertheless the situation in vivo is evidently different, Anabolic deficiency in men with chronic heart failure is prevalent and could have an associated detrimental impact on survival. Deficiency of anabolic hormones identifies groups with a higher mortality.[16][17]"
 
I've been thinking about this and I think that using IGF1 could be made safer if used only every other day. That way you have increased cell division but you give your cells a day off to check for errors.

My other worry is that IGF1 will lead to a thickening of the tunica as well as an increase in size of the CC. I would guess that this would be desirable at the end of one's Penis Enlargement career but not at the beginning as it would make it harder to stretch the tunica. If done at the end it could lead to better EQ if it increases the size of the CC in proportion to the tunica.
 
sizerp;496335 said:
Furthermore, I know you weren't discussing the molecular weight or potency of either compound, however since you were wrong about the half-life of Test Cyp., I figured I'd chime in. The half-life of Test Cyp is NOT 12 days, it's about 16 days, and the active life is 8 days.

Testosterone Cypionate Profile

17b-hydroxy-4-androsten-3-one
Testosterone base + cypionate ester
Formula: C27 H40 O3
Molecular Weight: 412.6112
Molecular Weight (base): 288.429
Molecular Weight (ester): 132.1184
Formula (base): C19 H28 O2
Formula (ester): C8 H14 O2
Melting Point (base): 155
Melting Point (ester): 98 - 104 C
Manufacturer: Various
Effective Dose (Men): 300-2000mg+ week
Effective Dose (Women): Not recommended
Active life: 8 days
Detection Time: 3 months
Anabolic/Androgenic ratio: 100/100.

Lastly, I remain confident you are not qualified to share truth or expertise on the subject and should therefore refrain from sharing any theories. You're just dumbing down the forum.
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lets see your comp pics then ill post mine. lol you know nothing about me who i am or what i do for a living. i just check this thread since i haven't been on this one in a bit. i have seen different clearance times on other sites but again i wasn't taking about this my whole point on esters and igf1 long acting one i systemic and needs acetic acid to stay stable. i just suggested not to use acetic acid in your cock. i was also only saying to use raw igf1 would be better for site injection, but if you want to be a prick about stuff i would love to see your body building pics I'm sure your probably one of those guy who post shit but don't compete or if they do never win shit i put my info to real world action. View attachment 26296View attachment 26297
 
here are a few more for because I'm uniformed on how to use anabolic steroids and I'm dumbing down the thread.View attachment 26298View attachment 26299View attachment 26300

The last pic was from my first npc show heart of texas at 174 lb were i won first and overall.
The other pics are from the npc national qualifier, the continental USA were i again won first place i also won the npc red river first light heavy weight national qualifier just incase people on here think i don't know how to put real world information in to action i just don't copy and paste shit off a site. the post i put down was off the top of my head and it was referring to the difference between long acting igf1 r3 that was not needed and to use just regular igf1 with regular sterile water i was just looking out for guys on here and advised a safe cheaper solution that would be as effective thats all but if this ass wants to stick acetic acid in his dick go right a head.
 
lol no one calls me by my name eric, the name just stuck since the first fast and furious. I'm not trying to brag with the pics but there is always some prick who has to act like a know it all. I'm thinking of competing in masters class this summer since I'm turning 39 in july.

i was just concerned that some one would injure them selfs with the acetic acid. I'm also interested in chem pe but ill wait to inject my penis till i get some more info on the subject. so if anyone took it the wrong way it wasn't how i meant it and was just offering more cost effective stuff.
 
sizerp;496335 said:
Furthermore, I know you weren't discussing the molecular weight or potency of either compound, however since you were wrong about the half-life of Test Cyp., I figured I'd chime in. The half-life of Test Cyp is NOT 12 days, it's about 16 days, and the active life is 8 days.

Testosterone Cypionate Profile

17b-hydroxy-4-androsten-3-one
Testosterone base + cypionate ester
Formula: C27 H40 O3
Molecular Weight: 412.6112
Molecular Weight (base): 288.429
Molecular Weight (ester): 132.1184
Formula (base): C19 H28 O2
Formula (ester): C8 H14 O2
Melting Point (base): 155
Melting Point (ester): 98 - 104 C
Manufacturer: Various
Effective Dose (Men): 300-2000mg+ week
Effective Dose (Women): Not recommended
Active life: 8 days
Detection Time: 3 months
Anabolic/Androgenic ratio: 100/100.

Lastly, I remain confident you are not qualified to share truth or expertise on the subject and should therefore refrain from sharing any theories. You're just dumbing down the forum.
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just to be a dick cause i can. this is what i said in my post
"cyp 12 days for total clearance peak plasma levels in 6 day this is called the half life.
enenthate 7 days 3.5 for peak plasma levels"

you see i said the half life was 6 days not 12 i said full active life is 12 days were did i get that number from well lets see.

you can look at the roid calculator


The Roid Calculator calculates the estimated blood level of different steroids, using half-lifes. The half-life is simply the time when 100 active milligrams breaks down to 50 active milligrams, to 25 active milligrams, and so on. The half-life may come after a few days, or a few hours, depending on the drug. You can use it to see how much active medicines you really have in your blood. Please remember that the results are only approximate. The half-lifes used below is based on several scientific studies.
Most of these studies used the glutes as injection site, if you inject in the delta muscle you will have much longer half-lives, try doubling all half-lives.

I have included a - 5% waste factor, because we dont live in a perfect world, and there will always be a little bit of loss when you inject steroids. On the orals I have included a -10% waste factor.
Here is the half-lifes, you can change the values if you want:

Testosterone propionate 2 days
Testosterone phenyl propionate 3 days
Testosterone isocaproate 4 days
Testosterone decanoate 7 days
Testosterone cypionate 6 days
Testosterone entantate 5 days
Nandrolone decanoate 7 days
Drostanolonom propionate 2 days
Metenolon enantate 5 days
Boldenone undecylenate 7 days

these are the numbers he has already punched in these are the half lives so if 6 is the half life then 12 is the full life.

1.so one you got my post wrong who is dumbing the thread down.
2. if you notice it say in his post it says this Detection Time: 3 months why 3 months well if you look at more into the cyp total clearance time you find 24 days to be the total active life but there is another strange thing about cyp we had not mentioned.

what type of half life we are talking about. here is a post from a mod on a board relating to this issue as i can copy and past as well.

The confusion comes from the fact that there are 2 types of half-life used in pharmacology, plasma and elimination half life.
Most people go by the elimination half-life, which is really comparable to the active life.
Besides, half life doesn't really matter with drugs. It is the active life that you should worry about.
In the case of Test C, just go with 2 weeks to be safe. Half life is basically just half of the active life (since we are not dealing with radioactive isotopes, but esterfied hormones which are broken down differently).
so you see 12-14 days is not incorrect for the active life and the half life 6-7 day

another site that went more into this explains that peak cyp happens around 48 hr then stay steady till about 12 days and that is were i got the active life of 12 days from and the half at 6 but even that was kind of wrong as peak plasma happens around 48 hrs like i said. but after 12 days there is a sever drop in blood plasmas levels causing it to be almost not noticeable but stays active for a total of 24 days but detectable for up to 3 months.

on top of all of this my comment about cyp and enenthate or raw test was a comparison to igf1 lr3 and just raw igf1 and how the use of that raw igf1 would be cheaper and a better choice as you don't need the long acting one nor should you inject you penis with acetic acid to get the effects of lr3.

you my friend are an ass so please stop posting as you are dumbing down the thread.
 
holy shit i just noticed another flaw in your post as when i read it i must had fixed it in my head.

you said
"The half-life of Test Cyp is NOT 12 days,(which i never said you had it reversed i said half life was 6 days) it's about 16 days, and the active life is 8 days."
because you read active life from the copy and paste,

except you can't have a half life of double the active life i.e. half life is describing half of the active life of the compound. this was a misprint on steroidology site you got it off. wow sorry to hijack the thread I'm done i this kid just pissed me off. i will not post again on this topic.
 
That's fine, I would be just as upset if someone were to get on here and try to say smoking freebase from a copper stem is superior than on a popcan with ashes.
 
Hi King,

I have PM you earlier this week about few Question that I have, I have some DES that i got for ERGO with Sterile water. Any Idea on how to reconsitute and dosage to inject? I have seen in some thread you did a cycle with DES. Any help will be much appreciated as I am taking the plunge this week.

kingsnake;494964 said:
Hey fellas. I've kept this to myself but for the last couple of weeks I've been studing up on IGF -1 LR3, better known as Insulin-like Growth Factor Long R3.

Bodybuilders have been using this stuff for a hot minute now to cause hyperplasia incourage cellular divison in there skeletal muscles. I have come across various bodybuilding sites and even Penis Enlargement sites where members have been injecting with IGF directly into there CC and reporting girth gains weeks to months after.

From the studies I've read to keep the IGF locally in the penis to attached to recepter sites, one has to use a cock ring or clamp for 10 to 20 minutes so most of the IGF stays in the penis and has time to bind to available receptors in the CC and not go systemic. A couple of members have said that after a couple of weeks of using IGF they can feel there CCs expanding and pushing against the tunica since the tunica has not yet grown to accomidate the newly grown CC inside. They call it the stuffed sausage feeling. Some members even said that the continued pressure of the CC against the tunica eventually caused the tunica to expand as well to releave the pressure.

The protocal is to first apply some form of stress to the penis like stretching, hanging or girth work to stimulate a growth/healing response. After the penis has been properly worked then you would work up to a semi erection and clamp it off with a constriction device then you would inject 10 to 20mcgs of IGF into the CC and leave it clamped off for 15 to 20 minutes so most of the IGF stays in your penis and has time to attached to receptors and start the growth/ cell division process.

Members from other Penis Enlargement sites have been reporting huge girth gains from this protocal after weeks to a couple of months of taking it. One particular member from Penis Enlargementgym named stagestop has reported a 1.5 inch gain in girth from a little over a year of taking IGF. One good thing about IGF is you can order it off the web and it doesn't require a priscription. Im thinking about getting some but before I do, I would like to share information about IGF with members here that have more experiance with it.

One thing that worries me about it is if IGF stimulates celluar divison in smooth muscle, skeletical muscle, and soft tissue then could this also stimulate cell division in other organs like the heart and cause problems if it goes systemic.

I remember a long time ago Supra was experimenting with IGF but I never found out what results he had with it. Let's research this chemical guys and discuss the potential with IGF.
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King, I tried Igf-lr3 with Pge for quite a while and didn't notice any difference from when I used just the Pge, I have a theory why but I'll spare everyone! Singuy, I don't think ergo is 100% legit, I know king said he gets some of his stuff from there but I've gotten things from there that have not been legit or severely under-dosed at best. King, where did you find pge for $50? Was it legit?
 
dickfordays;539833 said:
King, I tried Igf-lr3 with Pge for quite a while and didn't notice any difference from when I used just the Pge, I have a theory why but I'll spare everyone! Singuy, I don't think ergo is 100% legit, I know king said he gets some of his stuff from there but I've gotten things from there that have not been legit or severely under-dosed at best. King, where did you find pge for $50? Was it legit?
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Ergo has PGE for $50 which I am using and fully believe it to be legit. What have you gotten from Ergo that wasn't legit or was under dosed?
 
Agent, I've used SERMs, TB-500, and other post-cycle therapy things from them that seemed to have no effect at all. My theory is that companies like this may under dose things when they think they can get away with it, like drugs that don't have immediate and noticeable effects. Other things, like clenbuterol or pge1, they can't under dose because anyone who has used legit products would be able to tell immediately after the first dose and they wouldn't stay in business very long. Or, ergo may use several sources, some of which are legit and some of which are not, which would explain why some people say they are good to go and other says otherwise, or why one order seems great and the next does not. It's just a theory though. I actually just ordered some pge from them yesterday because I've used Caverject brand several times before and I know exactly what it should feel like. I'll know from dose one if it's legit, but it still might be under-dosed, or degraded since they ship it reconstituted. I've seen conflicting ideas on the shelf life after reconstitution, but I've only used powder and reconstituted it myself in quantities that I used within a week. If it is legit, the price is unbeatable. What are your thoughts on the fact that they ship it reconstituted? On another note, I'm going to titrate a dose that gives me a semi then go straight into my [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] for hours to try to exploit the collagen delinking effects of pge, as opposed to the priapism effects. But at that price, I can do that and use a larger dose then go into the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] if I want.
 
I've also used their TB500 and got good results. Of course, I was using it for a sports injury, not for Penis Enlargement. The Erogo PGE is my only PGE experience and I only started a few weeks ago, but am getting 3 plus hour erections from less than 5 mcg dosages.
 
I need to get back to being a crazy over-motivated idiot trying to grow the biggest dick possible. Threads like this help that maniacal drive :)
 
8x8, it sounds a lot worse than it actually is, injecting into the CC's can be pretty pain free and I think pge1 shows some great potential once we can figure out exactly how to implement it to maximize growth.
 
Agent, I can verify that the pge1 is legit. I received mine and noticed several crystals throughout the solution. The solubility of pge1 in water is 80mcg/mL and the strength on the bottle claims 100mcg/mL. Not to get into too much chemistry here, but this means that it takes 1 mL of water to dissolve 80 mcg of pge1. This may be accurate because not all the pge1 was dissolved. That being said, it's not recommended to inject a solution that still has solid in it, so I tried to dilute my batch. I ended up with twice the volume (20 mL) and the crystals remained. In theory, assuming the pge1 is pure, I should be able to continue to titrate water right up to the point where no solid remains and I would end up with a concentration of 80 mcg/mL. If that's the case, the pge1 was over dosed (more than 1000 mcg in the bottle of 10 mL). So I had 20 mL of apparently still saturated solution that I ended up putting through a whatman filter to remove the crystals. After so much dilution, I began to think it was not a concentration issue but a purity issue. I dosed what would be 2.5 mcg (assuming the solution was still saturated at 80 mcg/mL) and got the response I would expect under those assumptions. So I'm still not 100% certain, but I think the pge1 is legit but the measurements were off when ergo compounded this. It takes a very expensive scale to measure mass at the mcg level, a scale that ergo probably does not have/use, so the I think the dose was off in my favor this time.
 
I would definitely want to know more about IGF1, what dosages to use, and how often. I know about the injection sites, and the clamping off, or restricting the IGF1 from going systemic wide. Any body out there know how much IGF1 to inject into the penis?
What do you use to dilute the IGF1 with, and to what ratio of dilutant to IGF1? Any info would be greatly appreciated! I am thinking about buying some IGF1 from Protien Signal.com. Any body know anything about this company?
 
Hey DLD I hope this is not against the rules, but I am rep for Labpe.com on bodybuilding forums. Their peptides are US made, and come with mass spectrum reports for each batch. Use IMEzskanken for a discount on your order at checkout...
 
Sorry for late reply, I am afraid I have to agree with you I got the PGE and IGF from them, now the IGF went bunk within 2 days Even mixing with AA. and the PGE had some crazy particle within 3 days. Any other source? Can you PM please?

dickfordays;539833 said:
King, I tried Igf-lr3 with Pge for quite a while and didn't notice any difference from when I used just the Pge, I have a theory why but I'll spare everyone! Singuy, I don't think ergo is 100% legit, I know king said he gets some of his stuff from there but I've gotten things from there that have not been legit or severely under-dosed at best. King, where did you find pge for $50? Was it legit?
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