Links to articles and sources will be posted at the bottom. This is a bit long and full of science. I've seen for years on sites and threads arguing the benefits for and against ice so maybe this can expand on what we know so far.

" The reason why cryotherapy, or the use of ice as treatment, works for improving flexibility is a bit confusing. The accepted theory is the reverse of what you might think. Essentially the cold will cause vasodilation, or the widening of your blood vessels. Vasodilation allows for greater blood flow and higher temperature inside the muscle. This has a soothing effect on the musculature, which in turn reduces its resistance to being stretched."

"When you apply ice to an area of your body, it does create vasoconstriction to the superficial blood vessels, or blood vessels near the surface of your skin. At the same time, it increases blood flow underneath the superficial area to prevent heat loss. This helps reduce a muscles resistance to stretching."

Results from study:

"We found differences in the responses among subject groups. Supine hamstring flexibility after stretching with ice was greater than both stretching with heat and stretching alone. Scores after stretching with heat and stretching alone were not different."

Conclusions from study:

"The results of our investigation suggest that the application of ice may provide enhanced short-term improvements in flexibility over heat or stretching alone. Further research is necessary to investigate the possible mechanisms for these improvements and to determine whether similar results can be obtained with other muscle groups."

So that's a pretty long read if you are still here .This is not an anti heat or warm up thread. The penis is complicated beast. Heat has been working great for years. Heat works on the penis by softening the ligaments ,soft tissues, and collagen allowing easier deformation when we stretch, hang, pump, or extend our ligaments. But how does effect girth when talking about muscles in the article?

The penis is full of smooth muscle and it what relaxs and expands to cause an erection to happen. Jelqs stretch and expand smooth muscle in the penis.

" Vasodilation refers to the widening of blood vessels.[1] It results from relaxation of smooth muscle cells within the vessel wall" relaxation of the smooth muscles is what allows erections to happen and the principal that Viagra works.

This means in short we should be able to get more and easier expansion with pumping in cold water from the incresase in vasodilation ,the lack of resistance from the smooth muscle, and able to get bigger expansion.

The other benefits are is that expanded soft tissue in the pump like ligaments from being heated would be quickly cooled down but held in an expanded state this in theory helping to cement the expansion. [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words].

Other benefits is that it helps with healing. If you are the type to do PE every day especially girth this might be extremely beneficial against fatigue and injuries.

Cold seems to help greatly with discoloration, due to the vasoconstriction on the skin,and it's effects against brushing and swelling.

It has proven effective against lymph fluid build up alternating hot and cold.

Cold on the testicles has proven to increase testosterone .

I don't think the idea of sticking your junk in cold water sounds appealing to anyone but I'm starting to enjoy it and not as bad as it might sound. I have been doing this as the last set of my workout in as cold as water possible for the last week. I do get some shrinkage but afterwards I am much plumper than I normally am after pumping with no fluid build up.
 
I agree chill showers increase your testosterone level. Ice better for it has more latent heat then hot water. That is why now doctors say use ice and not hot therapy to heal our swell and bruises.
 
There was a thread where a guy was warming up, doing his routine and then placing his dick in ice water. I can't remember how long he went but he said the immediate benefit was that he felt better. Not a lot of latent pain in his groin but a lesser effect of swelling. I can see where that article is coming from but I also wanna how penis tissue will react, seeing as its very different than muscle tissue. There is no thin fat layer to aid at all. I'll look for that thread and keep an eye on this thread. I'd like to know more.
 
runningignus;649617 said:
There was a thread where a guy was warming up, doing his routine and then placing his dick in ice water. I can't remember how long he went but he said the immediate benefit was that he felt better. Not a lot of latent pain in his groin but a lesser effect of swelling. I can see where that article is coming from but I also wanna how penis tissue will react, seeing as its very different than muscle tissue. There is no thin fat layer to aid at all. I'll look for that thread and keep an eye on this thread. I'd like to know more.
I had made a post hot and cold therapy. I read in some other forum. It makes sense to cement gains. I think snake or red Zulu was also doing this. By next month when I will get into full action as all my p.e. devices will come all the herbs and creams. Then will apply all.
 
runningignus;649617 said:
There was a thread where a guy was warming up, doing his routine and then placing his dick in ice water. I can't remember how long he went but he said the immediate benefit was that he felt better. Not a lot of latent pain in his groin but a lesser effect of swelling. I can see where that article is coming from but I also wanna how penis tissue will react, seeing as its very different than muscle tissue. There is no thin fat layer to aid at all. I'll look for that thread and keep an eye on this thread. I'd like to know more.
hot and cold therapy of penis enlargement . Type this on google you will land on the correct page.
 
runningignus;649617 said:
There was a thread where a guy was warming up, doing his routine and then placing his dick in ice water. I can't remember how long he went but he said the immediate benefit was that he felt better. Not a lot of latent pain in his groin but a lesser effect of swelling. I can see where that article is coming from but I also wanna how penis tissue will react, seeing as its very different than muscle tissue. There is no thin fat layer to aid at all. I'll look for that thread and keep an eye on this thread. I'd like to know more.

I remember this and I can't find it:( We are working on the search function now and hopefully it will be fixed soon. It makes it hard not to be able to find these threads. Hope things will be fixed by tonight. Maintenance is non-stop here!
 
I've been doing it as a follow up to my clamping. Usually super sets with the last being cold I haven't had the balls to use Ice yet but as cold as my shower will allow. I want to try using 3 sets cold water with all the new info but I'm not sure it would be as effective without heating high and cooling fast.
 
Hey now, one toe at a time lol. Or should I say one inch at a time haha. Can't just jump right in sometimes. Don't know how deep the water or pussy is haha

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I hope so. I'm going nuts trying to find all my old favorite threads lol
 
master_mind;649678 said:
Ice not cold water.

Cold water can substitute if cold enough. It's the colder temperatures that cause vasodilation not the ice itself.

"The researchers were also interested to see if different applications of ice would also have different effects. They used both crushed ice in a bag, which is a therapeutic standard, and the same crushed ice with water. Water conducts the warmth of the body away faster than air and ice alone. The researchers hypothesized that the combination of water and ice would yield superior flexibility benefits."


Icing Isn't Just for Injuries: Cryotherapy Improves Flexibility | Breaking Muscle
 
Oh yea the tp losers were saying that dipping your worked penis in ice water would cause the micro tears to become larger as the surrounding tissues contract?:(
 
templnite;649759 said:
Oh yea the tp losers were saying that dipping your worked penis in ice water would cause the micro tears to become larger as the surrounding tissues contract?:(

ice is better it will give more expansion.
 
been using cold/warm water intervals with the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bm[/words].

my theory was that when the tissue tryes to contract due to the cold. but it was under a vacuum. the tissue would meet resistance that would lead to a bigger flaccid growth.

but ice water.... never tryed that. i mean putting my dick into ice water is not on my top 10 of stuff to put my dick into
 
No aim they would do the ice water after their normal session to "freeze/cement" their temporary gains better.
Though one of the crack heads would occasionally put ice in his [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] he said it felt pleasant.
 
that is quite funny. i know a lot of girls who puts their face in ice water before sleep as it helps the skin etc.

perhaps the dick works the same way. always wanted beautiful skin on my dick!
 
Aimingforthetop;649818 said:
that is quite funny. i know a lot of girls who puts their face in ice water before sleep as it helps the skin etc.

perhaps the dick works the same way. always wanted beautiful skin on my dick!
ice has more latent heat.
 
Well this is the most we have discussed this. The thread I was thinking about did not gets far in depth. I think with enough men experimenting we may get a solid answer if this is a viable practice. Keep up the good work!
 
I've been doing a few sets of ice water [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words]. With the article and info I posted explain how it would be beneficial for girth.

For me I get better EQ and Pi the next day. My EQ drops after pumping but seems much better with cold. This as mentioned before might be most beneficial for those who do PE every day.

My next day plump I am fuller. I would normally get a little bit but with fluid. This is much better next day. I have near zero fluid build up.

Last it's not nearly as bad as you might think. People taking rolling pins, cutting off circulation, hanging 30 pounds of weight. a little cold water is nothing. The initial shock can be intense but after a minute it feels nice especially if it's been heated prior.
 
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I had to do cold water bath mates before but not by choice haha I think cold water is good for testosterone levels but warm water allows for more expansion. Sorry I don't have a scientific explanation though
 
acromegaly;650321 said:
I had to do cold water bath mates before but not by choice haha I think cold water is good for testosterone levels but warm water allows for more expansion. Sorry I don't have a scientific explanation though

It makes a lot of sense if you say warm water gives more expansion.
 
doublelongdaddy;650273 said:
I wouldn't really call this science, it is more an opinion. I think I will wait for the results from you guys because I have a lot more belief there.
Well this is not science let me find the correct science if there is.
 
To make science.

You need doctors. With an environment to calculate for different inputs that can affect the results.

And then you need a
testgroup. To try it with ice
And one to try it with warm water
A group to do the placebo version
And a group to do nothing

And then all results should be gone through.

And even then. The results will not be seen as scientific facts. It will be a theory that needs to be reproduced.

This cost a lot of money.

Which is the reason why it only happens to things that can create more money.

Preferably something with a patent and a
Monopoly.
 
acromegaly;650321 said:
I had to do cold water bath mates before but not by choice haha I think cold water is good for testosterone levels but warm water allows for more expansion. Sorry I don't have a scientific explanation though

Well with heat soft tissues, ligaments, and collagen do become more elastic and easier to expand. Heat expands almost everything. Your penis Is comprised mostly of this tissue, and cold will cause the vasoconstriction on the soft tissues making it smaller. So it absolutely makes sense that your penis will appear bigger coming from a warm pump instead of cold.

This smaller apprearence easly turns people off to the idea of it not working or as effective for girth and I will elaborate on this so bare through this. Again my initial posting is not against the use of Heat or heat over ice or cold as they both work targeting different functions.

With length work heated soft tissue mentioned earlier are easier to expandand and stretch. When your penis cools it starts to contract and go back to original state. This is why in the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words] theory they mention in healing in the expanded state When you put your heated / stretched penis In cold water and pump cycle, the pump will hold or surpass the expanded state. The the cold forces the tissues to cool and contract in the expanded state. Helping to cement gains.

With girth and where it's important works differently. As mentioned the cold causes vasoconstriction or shrinkage to soft tissues. BUT it causes increased vasodilation smooth muscle relaxation . For girth gains and penis function smooth muscle is everything. This extreme relaxation and vasodilation makes it eaiser for the CC to relax and stretch intnernaly, but the cold is making it constrict on the outside making it looks smaller while alot is actually happening internally

Now remember how I mentioned heat stretches? This is going to sound crazy but the cold will eventually increase the internal heat inside your penis. This is due to what is called the " hunting reacction"

"Vasoconstriction occurs first to reduce heat loss, but also results in strong cooling of the extremities. Approximately five to ten minutes after the start of cold exposure, the blood vessels in the extremities will suddenly vasodilate. This is probably caused by a sudden decrease in the release of neurotransmitters from the sympathetic nerves to the muscular coat of the arteriovenous anastomoses due to local cold. This cold-induced vasodilation increases blood flow and subsequently the temperature of the fingers. A new phase of vasoconstriction follows the vasodilation, after which the process repeats itself.[1]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunting_reaction

That vasoconstriction on the skin causing it to shrink is actually trapping heat inside your penis. So if the internal temperature inside your penis is actually Getting warmer in theory those internal tissue like the tunica,CC should be eaiser to stretch and expand. It already had no choice to expand due to the vasodilation and smooth muscle relaxation mentioned earlier it seems
 
well it is definitely worth trying, everyone who uses a [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] should at least try using all sorts of water temperatures imo it can help you learn more
 
ma999;650662 said:
Well with heat soft tissues, ligaments, and collagen do become more elastic and easier to expand. Heat expands almost everything. Your penis Is comprised mostly of this tissue, and cold will cause the vasoconstriction on the soft tissues making it smaller. So it absolutely makes sense that your penis will appear bigger coming from a warm pump instead of cold.

This smaller apprearence easly turns people off to the idea of it not working or as effective for girth and I will elaborate on this so bare through this. Again my initial posting is not against the use of Heat or heat over ice or cold as they both work targeting different functions.

With length work heated soft tissue mentioned earlier are easier to expandand and stretch. When your penis cools it starts to contract and go back to original state. This is why in the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words] theory they mention in healing in the expanded state When you put your heated / stretched penis In cold water and pump cycle, the pump will hold or surpass the expanded state. The the cold forces the tissues to cool and contract in the expanded state. Helping to cement gains.

With girth and where it's important works differently. As mentioned the cold causes vasoconstriction or shrinkage to soft tissues. BUT it causes increased vasodilation smooth muscle relaxation . For girth gains and penis function smooth muscle is everything. This extreme relaxation and vasodilation makes it eaiser for the CC to relax and stretch intnernaly, but the cold is making it constrict on the outside making it looks smaller while alot is actually happening internally

Now remember how I mentioned heat stretches? This is going to sound crazy but the cold will eventually increase the internal heat inside your penis. This is due to what is called the " hunting reacction"

"Vasoconstriction occurs first to reduce heat loss, but also results in strong cooling of the extremities. Approximately five to ten minutes after the start of cold exposure, the blood vessels in the extremities will suddenly vasodilate. This is probably caused by a sudden decrease in the release of neurotransmitters from the sympathetic nerves to the muscular coat of the arteriovenous anastomoses due to local cold. This cold-induced vasodilation increases blood flow and subsequently the temperature of the fingers. A new phase of vasoconstriction follows the vasodilation, after which the process repeats itself.[1]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunting_reaction

That vasoconstriction on the skin causing it to shrink is actually trapping heat inside your penis. So if the internal temperature inside your penis is actually Getting warmer in theory those internal tissue like the tunica,CC should be eaiser to stretch and expand. It already had no choice to expand due to the vasodilation and smooth muscle relaxation mentioned earlier it seems

Excellent work and a great way to back up some of this theory. The real proof will be in those who have tried this method long enough to see if it truly works and brings faster healing, which will bring faster gains.
 
acromegaly;650784 said:
Btw ma999 are you still doing bundled stretch before [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words], what is your verdict on that routine?

My focus is more on clamping than pumping these days. But my Verdict applies to the same. Any time I bundle then do clamping, [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/12539-slow-squash-jelq-nothing-give-me-better-expansion.html]ssj[/words], or clamping. Any thing that really creates expansion from internal pressure I think I hit max expansion easier and sooner. I can't comment if it has speed up gainis. But in my head say I hit Max expansion at 5 minutes instead of 10 of 15 minute set that still 5 minutes longer at Max potential. I think those litle Blts can add up in the long run.
 
ma999;650789 said:
My focus is more on clamping than pumping these days. But my Verdict applies to the same. Any time I bundle then do clamping, [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/12539-slow-squash-jelq-nothing-give-me-better-expansion.html]ssj[/words], or clamping. Any thing that really creates expansion from internal pressure I think I hit max expansion easier and sooner. I can't comment if it has speed up gainis. But in my head say I hit Max expansion at 5 minutes instead of 10 of 15 minute set that still 5 minutes longer at Max potential. I think those litle Blts can add up in the long run.

Indeed you are correct, they all add up to the big goal.
 
I used cold water for my girth session last night and my expansion wasn't as big as it used to be when I used warm water.
 
Next time you do girth dip your erected penus in ice water when your done(cool-down). They say it leaves your flaccid more full afterwards.
I was going to try it but I forgot:O
 
templnite;651066 said:
Next time you do girth dip your erected penus in ice water when your done(cool-down). They say it leaves your flaccid more full afterwards.
I was going to try it but I forgot:O

I have never tried any of this cold water work but it seems like enough are interested that I should give it a go. I will incorporate this into my routine for a month and see if I se a difference.
 
templnite;651066 said:
Next time you do girth dip your erected penus in ice water when your done(cool-down). They say it leaves your flaccid more full afterwards.
I was going to try it but I forgot:O

Tried this last night with my current routine

Current:
morning:
(due to my schedule this is usually what I have time for)
5 min x 3 at increasing pressure in [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] in the shower in the morning, 1 second kegels for all first set, 2 second for all second set, 1 minute for all last set (5-1 minute holds) This really helps reduce fluid buildup
DLD Newbie stretch routine with [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words], slight mod (1 regular stretch, 1 -360 degree stretch, 1 +360 degree stretch, in all directions for 30 seconds each)
[words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]UJW[/words] until evening

Evening:
warmup in heating pad for 10 minutes
Same stretching routine as above (modified DLD newbie stretch routine with [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words])
20-30 minutes of high erection level jelqing
5-10 minutes of clamped edging and kegels

Now normally I'd throw the ol dick into the heating pad for another 10 minutes, then spend the rest of the evening in the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words]/SG combo, which works fine too, but I tried the 5x3 set again with cold water in the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] to cool off, to see how'd it go. First set, pumped to 180, second set, pumped to 190, third set, past the 200 mark, probably would've been at 208~210 had there been a mark for that, and holy fuck was that intense. I was kegeling the whole time, but I had done some decent kegel sets earlier in the day so I was getting really tired by that last set, but by the time I was out of the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words], my dick was hanging HUUUUUGE. I measured my girth at that point, and post pump I was sitting pretty at a mid-shaft 6.5", and cause I was bored, I wanted to see what my BPER length was. I literally could not believe my eyes as I saw my dick hit the 8" mark for the first time in my life. This is good shit guys, good shit. Yes, there was a bit of fluid buildup, but it was fairly light in comparison to what it would've been under the same pressures in hot water, and the buildup went away in about two hours. I did however, go right into the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] right after the session, and the stretch was better than it had been before!

When I woke up the next morning, I realized the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words] neck strap thing had popped off as it usually does in the night, but I saw that my flaccid hang was about as thick as my usual erect girth, and that I was hanging at an estimate of 5".

Pretty fucking nice find man, everyone should give this a shot as their cooldown after a routine. Definitely worth it.
 
huge-girth;651063 said:
I used cold water for my girth session last night and my expansion wasn't as big as it used to be when I used warm water.

I mentioned in an earlier post on this this is normal and to be expected.If you check out my earlier post it explains though it's shrinking In appearance it's still Increasing internal vasodilation. Also did you do all cold pumping or hot then cold? I think how this order occurs is important for Max potential.

Let's elaborate on expansion and make sure we are all on the same page.

Expansion to me is the expansion of the tunica, CC, CS, and smooth muscle. Everything that expands for girth in an erection. When your getting out of a hot pumping your skin other soft tissues stretches and expandand, and will get some lymph fluid. This leads to very large appearance.

With cold we have to view it slightly different. The science mention above explains how it COULD expand the tunica and the internal tissues easier. With cold pumping those soft tissues contract to trap internal heat and for me dispels lymph fluid better. Even if we get more internal expansion from cold, it will still look smaller compared to hot pumping with less internal expansion due to the vasoconstriction on the skin and soft tissue. COLD PUMPING WILL NEVER Appear as large as hot pumping. This is why I feel it might never take off.

The question now is when is it best to use cold/ice and how long for? Right now I never done a complete cold pumping session for all my sets. I don't think Nessairly a complete cold focus would be as beneficial as hot and then cold as they bitg effect the penis differently . What I THINK could be best and experimenting is ice water pumping last. The heat will stretch the skin all the soft tissues. Then in while the cold will contract the expandand soft tissues in a in expanded state helping to cement. .when doing cold first you won't get that soft tissue expansion . Last I do longer last set 10-15 minutes of ice or coldest water I can. Maybe a hot, cold, hot like in cryotherapy is another option but I think you would still need a longer cold set.
 
templnite;651177 said:
It's like a heat sink effect?

Not really, a heatsink would just draw heat away from something for the effect of cooling it down, and while it does that, it's more of a solidifying effect, as someone said earlier in this thread. Causes the penis to cool off in the expanded position, similar to someone using the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]UJW[/words] to heal in an extended state, or an [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] to do the same thing.
 
Bluetard kinda just disproved me about the larger appearance at least for him, but hey if it's working that's great.
 
Oh I thought you were training with cold to allow more expansion with less inflammation.
That heat would cause the tissues to become fatigued quicker whereas cold would allow more safe expansion to happen.

Next time ill do like you, and "freeze" my expansion right after my jelqs. Hopefully it even has a positive influence on eq as well.
 
templnite;651203 said:
Oh I thought you were training with cold to allow more expansion with less inflammation.
That heat would cause the tissues to become fatigued quicker whereas cold would allow more safe expansion to happen.

Next time ill do like you, and "freeze" my expansion right after my jelqs. Hopefully it even has a positive influence on eq as well.

Yeah, there ya go. I still don't think heatsink is the word your looking for, maybe cementing sans inflammation? Either way, you got the idea.
 
Thats what I am talking about, lots of good feedback and enough Brothers to prove if this works. Keep up the good work Brothers.
 
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