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This stuff is absolutely wonderful! It is a GH antagonist and a happy pill. Great stuff man. I started it yesterday and its so much better than those Rx pills for depression or anxiety. Absolutely the best supplement I have taken as of yet. Here is a write up about it:
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GABA is a naturally occurring amino acid, found in the brain and the body. It is one of a class of inhibitory neurotransmitters that include serotonin. Although it is classed as an inhibitor rather than a stimulator its definition is only one of electrochemical activity in the brain and should not be interpreted as a downer or sedative - just the term neurotransmitter defines its ability as a natural substance that helps nerve impulses cross synapses and communicate with one another.

GABA usage will stimulate the release by the pituitary gland of Human Growth Hormone (HGH) (or Growth Hormone (GH)) which is naturally released by the body when it undergoes vigorous peak muscular exercise, during certain phases of sleep, or restricted food intake. The growth hormone is produced by the pituitary gland, located at the base of the brain. Even small doses (2-5 grams) can increase circulating growth hormone by more than 5 times its normal levels.

GH stimulates growth and repair of the body as well as the activities of the immune system. The immune system is run down by excess exercise without the proper nutrition. GH also helps the body burn fat and convert it into energy and muscle and aids in wound healing and tissue repair. GH is widely known for its powerful anabolic (muscle building) effects as well as its lipotropic (breakdown and utilization of body fat) effects. The overall result of these effects is an increase in lean tissue mass and a decrease in body fat. Finally, stimulating naturally the levels of GH leads to greater feelings of energy and vigour.

Additionally, GABA has been shown to have positive toning effects on the nervous system, to improve sleep cycles leading to more restful sleep and more interesting lucid dreaming, to have a powerful stabilising effect on blood pressure and to be an effective analgesic (removing the perception of pain).

GABA is a very safe supplement and can be used daily. GABA has also been shown to act as a powerful natural analgesic through its stimulation of the brain's release of endorphins.

Based upon the scientific evidence, a combination of GABA and exercise would have the best effect on stimulating the natural secretion of growth hormone. Resulting in better utilization of stored fat, an increase in firm, lean tissue and a more healthy, shapely body!

Many of these effects are also to be gained by other components of the supplement and are thus reinforced. The dosage is low as the components are working together and there is a natural overall effect of body stimulation leading to more energy.
 
www.vitaminshoppe.com has 750mg tablets ($8.48 for 90) and other GABA supplements at very cheap prices. Sounds like this supplement is a joy-of-life enhancer while enhancing growth throughout your body(I wonder if that includes extremities such as the penis?).
 
I take just over 2g of it per night. They come in 750mg pills and I take 3 per night. You might feel a tingling effect in your neck and head. This is normal and nothing to worry about.
 
What brand name of the stuff do you take? I've been in some pretty deep depression lately, but I'm gonna find a way to come outta it! This is sounding very promising! By the way if you take it before bed, does the happy effect last throughout the next day or what? :)

Also there seems to be GABA Plus etc... which would be best for depression and stress?

-ItsElectric
 
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I use the stuff at GNC. The effect lasts all day but I also take 1 in the morning to supplement things. You'll see the difference with in 2 days.

The GABA plus 5-htp? I don't take it but it may indeed work better.
 
I havent taken it for more than a week as of yet. I don't know if it will help with Penis Enlargement or not. I know it will help with body building. We will see how it works with Penis Enlargement. The GH release will help with collagen growth.
 
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interesting stuff. Is there any side effects of excesive HGH. Are there possible metabolites/pathways of excessive HGH? Also HGH induces skeletal growth also right? SO does it increase your height also along with muscle?
 
Some water retention in joints. Excessive collagen growth. Possible high blood suger also. No height change. GABA will not act to hike up GH to the point you might feel these side effects. The only GH side I have noticed is lowered body fat and some aching in my knees. Not too bad.
 
Have you researched on this? Like clinical studies? Becuase hormones are something I'd prefer not to fiddle with, unless there's statistical breakdown of side effects. I know that DHEA and Testosterone supplementation could have side effects...
 
Yes, I have researched this. There is no conclusive evidence of anything other that I have listed. HGH will make you live a longer and more productive life.

On top of this, GABA isn't putting hormones into your body, rather stimulates your body to produce HGH. There is a distinct difference in the side effects of exogenously administered and endogenous production of hormones.

I'd be suprised, no shocked, if you could find one negitive study involving GABA.

 
Yeah you are right. I did a quick search and couldn't find side effects other than stuff like dizziness, possible siezures, increased heart rate or blood pressure (I mean these were reported side effects but warnings, saying that if you get any of the above run to the shirk)...

The only thing I worry about is whether external administration of GABA will affect the body's natural production (reduce natural internal GABA production). If that *could* be true then you cannot get off GABA life long. Also did you come across any clinical study? I didn't find a clinical study paper.
 
The reason your testicals don't produce testosterone from long term use of AAS is that you end up with testicular atrophy. I do not think that your brain will atrophy.

"Third, oral administration of gamma-aminobutryic acid (GABA) to both men and women has shown rapid increases in HGH (5). GABA is an amino acid neurotransmitter that signals the pituitary to release HGH. Research into GABA has been varied with no negative side effects ever reported with either short term or long term use. As little as two grams of GABA taken immediately before bed should promote the development of lean tissue while decreasing body fat."

http://www.betterbodz.com/library/humangro.html

As far as a double binded clinical trial of GABA. I don't know if one exists. If so, I'm sure it would be at puBathmateed.


 
Yeah, I couldn't find any studies in PuBathmateed! But the article you posted has a very interesting take in body building ----->
"The extent of the increase depends on the number of sets completed and the amount of rest between sets. The more aggressive and intense the workout, the more HGH is released."

On the other hand I've heard that doing too many sets and exceeding 10 reps per set can be counterproductive to increasing muscle mass. It could be that although HGH is increased with increased sets & reps, cortisol eats up existing muscle and catabolism exceeds HGH's anabolism?

In any case GABA sounds exciting. Moreover I agree with you that endogenous HGH sounds safe. Here's an abstract which says 80mg of GABA/day seems to reduce hypertension!! On the other hand I did read that GHB (which has a similar structure to GABA, missing one hydroxyl group) has been found to increase blood pressure.... Man, biochemistry is mind boggling!! I feel more *secure* in my domain of computer science!;)

http://www.lifescience.co.jp/yk/yk02/nov/ab4.htm
 
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I use the stuff at GNC. The effect lasts all day but I also take 1 in the morning to supplement things.
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What "effect" are you referring to? Is it a sedative kinda effect? Or worse, does it kick like pot??
 
I take it you are talking about the american GNC site, cos i had a look on the UK site and couldn't find it. Does anyone know a UK site where i can get some?
 
Just got home with mine. Picked it up on the way home from the gym. Now to get this stomach empty so i can take it.
 
What would be good doses, before bed and in the morning for someone with my stats:

Age: 18
Weight: 130lbs
Height: 5'6"

Yes you read that right, I'm a little guy.. In one way, anyways. ;)

-ItsElectric

EDIT:: Just found this:

http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/supplements-reviews/gaba-information-effects.htm

Research shows that at least 2 grams of GABA should be taken for it to be effective. 5g is shown to be more effective, and the effectiveness of GABA is maxed out at 18 grams. There are studies done on GABA where it's administered either orally or intravenously. Taking GABA orally is not as effective as taking it intravenously; however it's more reflective of expected real world results, as most GABA supplements are designed to be taken orally. Despite this, GABA is effective even when taken orally.

Would you be able to place this under your tongue and have it dissolve there for quicker results as well as more of it getting to your system?

-ItsElectric
 
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Most of hte sites I went through recommended 2 g/day, taken just before sleeping. I read somewhere that the best bet was to take 1g and hour before sleeping and another gram 2 hours after u've slept (waking you up with an alarm clock)! That's because the pituitary gland releases HGH just after falling asleep. So if you time your gaba dosage in that interval the blood level of HGH will add up! But then, I'm not that mad to wake up after 2 hrs!!
 
You really don't have to take it sub lingual. You will feel it very well at 2g orally. It probably tastes bad anyway. Believe me, it works fine as is.

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Got mine yesterday and took some last night. It recommended a 5g dosage on the tub so that's what I took. After about 20mins my face, scalp and arms had a strange tingling sensation :p

8 isn't enough, can you really notice a difference in your body fat after taking GABA for such a short time? (I hope so cos' that's what I'm taking it for :) )

My theory is that it will help me on my Penis Enlargement quest by way of increasing my NBP size (I currently have a pubic fat pad of 1 1/4" :( ).

I'm approx 35lbs overweight and have started training 4-5 times a week. So by losing this excess weight and fat pad, my dick should look a lot bigger! Oh...and I suppose it might help me live longer. lol.
 
Yes, my body fat has really went down in the short time I have used it. My fat pad hasn't changed a bit though. It might over time but it hasn't in the time I've used it so far.
 
Not really. I do some curls and bench maybe one day a week. Using GABA with excersise probably will excellerate gains as well as lower your fat much better than not doing much like me.
 
Took the GABA last night and had the skin "flush" tingles. It was comparable to taking niacin for the flush anyways. What strength are you guys taking? Mine is 500mg per tablet.
 
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I'm worried about the increased metabolism in a way. My metabolism isn't bad as such. With increased meta could there be muscle loss? Have you noticed muscle loss or thinning a tthe arms etc along with fat reduction?
 
None. Its not, in a classic sense, raising your metabolism. More, its using the fat to build muscle. This is how GH works. Its anabolic and not catabolic.

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On the other hand I did read that GHB (which has a similar structure to GABA, missing one hydroxyl group) has been found to increase blood pressure....
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Adrenaline, caffeine and speed are also very similar in molecular structure but act very differently inside the body.

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SlamInTheLamb

I had a look at that site and will get some when my pay comes through.

Just 1 Q are they in pill form and if so how many mg/g in a pill?

just asking that cos looking at the site it looks like its in powder form.

Also, i'm going to start taking some tribulus and wanted to know if there are much side effects (mainly small balls as it deals with testosterone).

I'm going to take these, stick to a diet and i'm joining a gym in order to shift a lot of weight (esspesically the fat pad cos at the mo i have a negative FNBP length:( )
 
One more Q for 8!
I know GABA has a sedative effect and might infact induce sleep. but the tingling sensation everyone reports. Are you able to fall asleep with that, or is it an excitory effect (like endorphins have an energising effect after exercise)? Thanks
 
Its not a stimulating feeling. But it might be difficult to actually fall asleep while this is going on. If you take it right before bed, you might actually fall asleep before it begins. I personally, just allow it to do its thing before I fall asleep. I think its a personal choice.

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I didn't get a tingling sensation when I took 3 last night, and I took one this morning, but damn did I sleep good! I dunno if it's working already, but I already feel nice, calm and euphoric. Hehehe!

-ItsElectric
 
Interesting indeed, are you supposed to cycle this stuff I wonder? Perhaps it could be a good Penis Enlargement supp if it could help strengthen the upper body muscles used when stretching....that would mean you could pull more effectively. Hmm, I'm gonna run by GNC tomorrow.
 
finalsight...it comes in powder form and recommends a 5g dosage which is basically 1 teaspoon mixed with warm water before going to bed. BTW, it doesn't taste of anything.

I wouldn't say that the tingling sensation is severe enough to stop you falling asleep. I like the feeling as it means that something is happening :)

I can see that it's definately going to help my fat loss due to the fact that it's supposed to be taken before bed on an empty stomach. I've always eaten snacks at night so this is motivating me not to.
 
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You dont have to cycle it. You could take it everyday for 10 years with no problems happening. As far as it making you stronger, I dont know if it will make you any stronger or not. All it will do is increase the effectiveness of your muscle training workout.


Haha, one can only hope it's from the pills and not just my mind thinking that this stuff works good.
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When I first took it, I thought there is no way this herbal stuff will work. Now almost 2 weeks later, I'm definitely a true believer.

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Originally posted by 8 isn't enough
You could take it everyday for 10 years with no problems happening.
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Are you kinda sure about that? From what I saw there have been hardly any studies on Gaba in humans. I'm wonderng if there could be some kinda feedback reaction to limit the natural levels of GABA due to supplementation. I think increased HGH will have no negative effects, but I'm wondering if GABa supplementation will lead to any changesin the naturally secreted GABA by the body. Maybe you should stop taking it after 1 or 2 months and see if you suddenly put on wieght or if you are not able to sleep well, etc. I think I'll go for it for a short time though...
 
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