DLD Bundle Stretches change your LOT: No Joke/ This may be HUGE
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WaxN
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I agree RZ - no disrespect to Bib intended. I think his theory has some validity, but it's not etched in stone. I still think the tunica is really key to growth because think about it....what would the length difference between a 12:00 LOT & a 6:00 LOT really amount to (in terms of ligament stretch)? Maybe 1-1.5"....maybe! But if you're talking about making 3" plus gains, you need a good bit of tunica stretch.
Also, even at 6:00 LOT, why do guys think that your ligs can't still stretch???
I just think that guys with a high LOT can gain some length very quickly - up to that first 1-1.5"....then the rest is a battle against the tunica.
But the main thing I get behind Bib's theory is the importance of deductive reasoning....we need that desperately in Penis Enlargement, especially since the medical community won't get involved. I respect anybody who is thinking deeply about the whole Penis Enlargement experience.
Ok guys , this is getting to be a good debate ,and when you get so many great minds together debating it can only turn up good info .
So i just want to add that ...maybe ,,don't dog me to much on this fellows ....that lets just say BIBS THEORY is right , OK so we need to work the tunica ...right ? Ok the way to do this is by working above your lot , So maybe or from what i read out of all this is .....THE DLD BUNDLED STRETCH will work at lower than lot angles ...BECAUSE the twisting of the penis takes the ligs out the picture .and therefore one can work the tunica at an angle below his lot....THUS by the twisting of the penis ....IS in fact theoretically RAISING ONES LOT!!.. ALLOWING LOWER ANGLE WORK TO WORK EFFECTIVLY ...now this is just my opinion .
I have a great amount of respect for DLD for his work ,,as well as BIB....
I think that as I said before ...only good can come from a well rounded debate ,AND THIS IS BECOMING A VERY INFORMATIVE DISCUSSION ...well guys i think i will step back and continue to learn from this
So i just want to add that ...maybe ,,don't dog me to much on this fellows ....that lets just say BIBS THEORY is right , OK so we need to work the tunica ...right ? Ok the way to do this is by working above your lot , So maybe or from what i read out of all this is .....THE DLD BUNDLED STRETCH will work at lower than lot angles ...BECAUSE the twisting of the penis takes the ligs out the picture .and therefore one can work the tunica at an angle below his lot....THUS by the twisting of the penis ....IS in fact theoretically RAISING ONES LOT!!.. ALLOWING LOWER ANGLE WORK TO WORK EFFECTIVLY ...now this is just my opinion .
I have a great amount of respect for DLD for his work ,,as well as BIB....
I think that as I said before ...only good can come from a well rounded debate ,AND THIS IS BECOMING A VERY INFORMATIVE DISCUSSION ...well guys i think i will step back and continue to learn from this
Someone could have misread their lot to begin with and declared the wrong value as their true value. This might spell a few answers out for us.
Wax,
>what would the length difference between a 12:00 LOT & a 6:00 LOT really amount to (in terms of ligament stretch)?<
Results so far *hint* at a 1/4" gain per half hour of LOT from lig stretching (from a starting LOT of 9.5 here), of course this will differ from person to person depending on the amount of inner penis they have to express. 2", maybe three at a push in the absolute best instance.
>Also, even at 6:00 LOT, why do guys think that your ligs can't still stretch??? <
Of course they can. But think of it this way, if there is no inner penis to express because of the low exit point, and no gain potential from lig stretching, what is the benefit of lig stretching? Your eretion angle may lower, and your erection would most likely move around more. So say you do this, and you now have looser ligs with no inner penis to express. Lets say .5". Now you decide to work the tunica, and make a .5" gain here. What happens? The tunica stretch is completely accomodated by the longer ligs, your LOT would not change. If you did the tunica work first, your LOT would rise along with the exit point, allowing more gains from lig stretch by expressing inner penis.
>I just think that guys with a high LOT can gain some length very quickly - up to that first 1-1.5"....then the rest is a battle against the tunica. <
Now you're getting it. Remember that future lig gains may be possible after the tunica stretching.
ATS,
>and when you get so many great minds together debating it can only turn up good info .<
Its always good fun to yammer away with DLD. DLD - are we at the point where we start splitting threads and talking about worms?
>OK so we need to work the tunica ...right ?<
Only guys with a low LOT.
Guys,
Let me elaborate on the theory a little, as there is some confusion. I think that some people are trying to knock something they dont understand.
When you kegel, the PC muscle pulls the tunica back into the body slightly. The ligs attach on the TOP of the shaft, right? So naturally, the higher the angle of stretch, the less stress they will take, because the underside of the penis will be taking more stress. Do we all agree so far?
So you kegel, and move the angle of stretch down slightly, kegel again. Because the PC pulls the *TUNICA* back into the body, you will experience a tugback ONLY if the tunica is taking the stress. Right? That just makes sense doesn't it? Still with me?
Now, as you lower the angle of stretch, there may be a point where there is no tugback. Remember, the ligs are on TOP of the shaft, the lower the angle, the more potential stress they will take. There will be a point where they take most of the stress of the stretch. The penis will not tugback because THE LIGS ARE TAKING THE STRESS. You can kegel till you bleed but you wont get a tugback because you are stretching the ligs and the tunica IN FRONT of the attachment point of the ligs (this of course, would not affect tugback).
Remember, with the LOT test you are looking for the angle of stretch where the ligs take the stress. If they do not take the stress right down to 6, they are already long, indidcating the tunica is the limiting factor.
I hope that clears things up a little.
SS4
>what would the length difference between a 12:00 LOT & a 6:00 LOT really amount to (in terms of ligament stretch)?<
Results so far *hint* at a 1/4" gain per half hour of LOT from lig stretching (from a starting LOT of 9.5 here), of course this will differ from person to person depending on the amount of inner penis they have to express. 2", maybe three at a push in the absolute best instance.
>Also, even at 6:00 LOT, why do guys think that your ligs can't still stretch??? <
Of course they can. But think of it this way, if there is no inner penis to express because of the low exit point, and no gain potential from lig stretching, what is the benefit of lig stretching? Your eretion angle may lower, and your erection would most likely move around more. So say you do this, and you now have looser ligs with no inner penis to express. Lets say .5". Now you decide to work the tunica, and make a .5" gain here. What happens? The tunica stretch is completely accomodated by the longer ligs, your LOT would not change. If you did the tunica work first, your LOT would rise along with the exit point, allowing more gains from lig stretch by expressing inner penis.
>I just think that guys with a high LOT can gain some length very quickly - up to that first 1-1.5"....then the rest is a battle against the tunica. <
Now you're getting it. Remember that future lig gains may be possible after the tunica stretching.
ATS,
>and when you get so many great minds together debating it can only turn up good info .<
Its always good fun to yammer away with DLD. DLD - are we at the point where we start splitting threads and talking about worms?
>OK so we need to work the tunica ...right ?<
Only guys with a low LOT.
Guys,
Let me elaborate on the theory a little, as there is some confusion. I think that some people are trying to knock something they dont understand.
When you kegel, the PC muscle pulls the tunica back into the body slightly. The ligs attach on the TOP of the shaft, right? So naturally, the higher the angle of stretch, the less stress they will take, because the underside of the penis will be taking more stress. Do we all agree so far?
So you kegel, and move the angle of stretch down slightly, kegel again. Because the PC pulls the *TUNICA* back into the body, you will experience a tugback ONLY if the tunica is taking the stress. Right? That just makes sense doesn't it? Still with me?
Now, as you lower the angle of stretch, there may be a point where there is no tugback. Remember, the ligs are on TOP of the shaft, the lower the angle, the more potential stress they will take. There will be a point where they take most of the stress of the stretch. The penis will not tugback because THE LIGS ARE TAKING THE STRESS. You can kegel till you bleed but you wont get a tugback because you are stretching the ligs and the tunica IN FRONT of the attachment point of the ligs (this of course, would not affect tugback).
Remember, with the LOT test you are looking for the angle of stretch where the ligs take the stress. If they do not take the stress right down to 6, they are already long, indidcating the tunica is the limiting factor.
I hope that clears things up a little.
SS4
pole
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SS4,
good explanation so far!
Now you should just clarify that the tunica stretch you're refering to is the stress of the INNER tunica (aka hidden penis) because the OUTER tunica (visible part of the penis) will take more stress from downward stretching as the inner part can't take stress at all due to the restricting ligs.
This means downward stretching is more efficient for stretching of the OUTER tunica then upward stretching.
Right?
pole
good explanation so far!
Now you should just clarify that the tunica stretch you're refering to is the stress of the INNER tunica (aka hidden penis) because the OUTER tunica (visible part of the penis) will take more stress from downward stretching as the inner part can't take stress at all due to the restricting ligs.
This means downward stretching is more efficient for stretching of the OUTER tunica then upward stretching.
Right?
pole
Pole,
>good explanation so far! <
Thanks!
>Now you should just clarify that the tunica stretch you're refering to is the stress of the INNER tunica (aka hidden penis)<
Yes, LOT will not rise unless the tunica BEHIND the attachment point of the ligs to the shaft is stretched.
> because the OUTER tunica (visible part of the penis) will take more stress from downward stretching as the inner part can't take stress at all due to the restricting ligs. <
Close. Remember that the ligs attach along the shaft, it is not just the inner tunica which loses stress to the ligs, but all the tunica leading up to the furthest attachment point.
>This means downward stretching is more efficient for stretching of the OUTER tunica then upward stretching. <
Both would give equal amounts of stress to the tunica above the attachment point. Use this equation (If the stretch a standard one, with no fulcrum, and assuming there are no major variations in the shape of the tunica, and assuming for arguments/claritys sake that the ligs attach exactly midway along the tunica):
Force of stretch = x
Stress lost to ligs = y
Downward stretching;
Overall stress placed on the tunica = x - y
Stress placed on the tunica before the attachment point= x/2 - y
Stress placed on the tunica after the attachment point = x/2
Upward stretching;
Stress placed on the tunica before the attachment point= x/2
Stress placed on the tunica after the attachment point = x/2
(y = 0)
SS4
>good explanation so far! <
Thanks!
>Now you should just clarify that the tunica stretch you're refering to is the stress of the INNER tunica (aka hidden penis)<
Yes, LOT will not rise unless the tunica BEHIND the attachment point of the ligs to the shaft is stretched.
> because the OUTER tunica (visible part of the penis) will take more stress from downward stretching as the inner part can't take stress at all due to the restricting ligs. <
Close. Remember that the ligs attach along the shaft, it is not just the inner tunica which loses stress to the ligs, but all the tunica leading up to the furthest attachment point.
>This means downward stretching is more efficient for stretching of the OUTER tunica then upward stretching. <
Both would give equal amounts of stress to the tunica above the attachment point. Use this equation (If the stretch a standard one, with no fulcrum, and assuming there are no major variations in the shape of the tunica, and assuming for arguments/claritys sake that the ligs attach exactly midway along the tunica):
Force of stretch = x
Stress lost to ligs = y
Downward stretching;
Overall stress placed on the tunica = x - y
Stress placed on the tunica before the attachment point= x/2 - y
Stress placed on the tunica after the attachment point = x/2
Upward stretching;
Stress placed on the tunica before the attachment point= x/2
Stress placed on the tunica after the attachment point = x/2
(y = 0)
SS4
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pole
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>Close. Remember that the ligs attach along the shaft, it is not just the inner tunica which loses stress to the ligs, but all the tunica leading up to the furthest attachment point.<
Right!
>Both would give equal amounts of stress to the tunica above the attachment point. Use this equation (If the stretch a standard one, with no fulcrum, and assuming there are no major variations in the shape of the tunica, and assuming for arguments/claritys sake that the ligs attach exactly midway along the tunica):
Force of stretch = x
Stress lost to ligs = y
Downward stretching;
Overall stress placed on the tunica = x - y
Stress placed on the tunica before the attachment point= x/2 - y
Stress placed on the tunica after the attachment point = x/2
Upward stretching;
Stress placed on the tunica before the attachment point= x/2
Stress placed on the tunica after the attachment point = x/2
(y = 0)<
I think your equation is a bit simple(no pun).
Besides that some people have fairly low lig attachment ( further to the body, like myself), I would place it more like this for downward stretching:
Stress placed on the tunica before the attachment point = 0
Stress placed on the tunica after the attachment point = x-y
Because the inner penis will get no stretch at all due to the ligs tke it all IMO.
And I "feel" (attention: anecdotal evidence!) that y is smaller then x/2 in the upward stretch.
But we, or at least I, don't know enough data about ligs and tunica to provide a valuable structural calculation.
pole
Right!
>Both would give equal amounts of stress to the tunica above the attachment point. Use this equation (If the stretch a standard one, with no fulcrum, and assuming there are no major variations in the shape of the tunica, and assuming for arguments/claritys sake that the ligs attach exactly midway along the tunica):
Force of stretch = x
Stress lost to ligs = y
Downward stretching;
Overall stress placed on the tunica = x - y
Stress placed on the tunica before the attachment point= x/2 - y
Stress placed on the tunica after the attachment point = x/2
Upward stretching;
Stress placed on the tunica before the attachment point= x/2
Stress placed on the tunica after the attachment point = x/2
(y = 0)<
I think your equation is a bit simple(no pun).
Besides that some people have fairly low lig attachment ( further to the body, like myself), I would place it more like this for downward stretching:
Stress placed on the tunica before the attachment point = 0
Stress placed on the tunica after the attachment point = x-y
Because the inner penis will get no stretch at all due to the ligs tke it all IMO.
And I "feel" (attention: anecdotal evidence!) that y is smaller then x/2 in the upward stretch.
But we, or at least I, don't know enough data about ligs and tunica to provide a valuable structural calculation.
pole
pole,
>Stress placed on the tunica before the attachment point = 0 <
Yes if the ligs are tight and/or the angle is BTC, the equation would be:
y = x/2
(again, assuming the ligs attach midway for simplicites sake)
>Stress placed on the tunica after the attachment point = x-y <
This does not compute. How can the ligs take any stress beyond their furthest attachment point?
>Because the inner penis will get no stretch at all due to the ligs tke it all IMO. <
With very low LOT's, I feel the ligs will not take 100% of the stress, and progressively less as the angle is raised.
>And I "feel" (attention: anecdotal evidence!) that y is smaller then x/2 in the upward stretch. <
In an upward stretch, y = 0, the ligs are taking no stress at all.
RB,
>I just wanted to add algebra blows donkey dicks... <
I concur.
SS4
>Stress placed on the tunica before the attachment point = 0 <
Yes if the ligs are tight and/or the angle is BTC, the equation would be:
y = x/2
(again, assuming the ligs attach midway for simplicites sake)
>Stress placed on the tunica after the attachment point = x-y <
This does not compute. How can the ligs take any stress beyond their furthest attachment point?
>Because the inner penis will get no stretch at all due to the ligs tke it all IMO. <
With very low LOT's, I feel the ligs will not take 100% of the stress, and progressively less as the angle is raised.
>And I "feel" (attention: anecdotal evidence!) that y is smaller then x/2 in the upward stretch. <
In an upward stretch, y = 0, the ligs are taking no stress at all.
RB,
>I just wanted to add algebra blows donkey dicks... <
I concur.
SS4
pole
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SS4,
x/2=y? I doubt this! It would only hold true when the ligs and tunica were of the same "material", but they aren't.
In my model you must picture the tunica with a rubber band which is attached at one side to a not movable object (pc muscle)and the ligs(which are more stiff)with a robe attached midway to it.
This means, when pulling upwards you distribute the force all over the rubber band (counterforce is the pc) and when pulling downward, almost the same force to the external half only after the ligs are at their max.temporary stretch!
So the outer penis will receive more stress in comparisson with the upward stretch.
I think we should not stick with the maths because we don't know all necessary data, like I said before.
I still feel/see a better flaccid stretch from doing it downward and I have a pretty low LOT (6:30).
pole
p.s.: I don't think that the LOT-theory is not right, but I don't feel that it's the "one and only road to success" for everybody.
x/2=y? I doubt this! It would only hold true when the ligs and tunica were of the same "material", but they aren't.
In my model you must picture the tunica with a rubber band which is attached at one side to a not movable object (pc muscle)and the ligs(which are more stiff)with a robe attached midway to it.
This means, when pulling upwards you distribute the force all over the rubber band (counterforce is the pc) and when pulling downward, almost the same force to the external half only after the ligs are at their max.temporary stretch!
So the outer penis will receive more stress in comparisson with the upward stretch.
I think we should not stick with the maths because we don't know all necessary data, like I said before.
I still feel/see a better flaccid stretch from doing it downward and I have a pretty low LOT (6:30).
pole
p.s.: I don't think that the LOT-theory is not right, but I don't feel that it's the "one and only road to success" for everybody.
pole,
>x1/2=y? I doubt this! It would only hold true when the ligs and tunica were of the same "material", but they aren't.<
YOU stated this in your above post, I was agreeing with you! lol, who's side are you on, mine oe yours?
y is the stress taken by the tunica. In the *example*, the ligs attach *exacty* half way along the shaft. Assuming there are no variations in the shape of the tunica, the whole shaft would take the stress equally. So from the point between the furthest point back that the stress is felt and midway, the stress received here would be half of the total stress, correct? IOW x/2. So if the ligs took all the stress then y=x/2.
>I think we should not stick with the maths because we don't know all necessary data, like I said before. <
I am overly simplifying here I know. The numbers would be different depending on many variables.
Wax,
Correct.
SS4
>x1/2=y? I doubt this! It would only hold true when the ligs and tunica were of the same "material", but they aren't.<
YOU stated this in your above post, I was agreeing with you! lol, who's side are you on, mine oe yours?
y is the stress taken by the tunica. In the *example*, the ligs attach *exacty* half way along the shaft. Assuming there are no variations in the shape of the tunica, the whole shaft would take the stress equally. So from the point between the furthest point back that the stress is felt and midway, the stress received here would be half of the total stress, correct? IOW x/2. So if the ligs took all the stress then y=x/2.
>I think we should not stick with the maths because we don't know all necessary data, like I said before. <
I am overly simplifying here I know. The numbers would be different depending on many variables.
Wax,
Correct.
SS4
