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The Federal Reserve is a system of private banks separate and distinct from the U.S. government. This banking system was originally conceived by John D. Rockefeller and J.P. Morgan. The FED, as it is known, is listed in the white pages along with Federal Express, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, and other businesses. The bank produces Federal Reserve Notes. They use these notes/dollars to purchase government bonds. These notes are a fiat currency. Historically, all fiat currencies eventually crash due to hyperinflation from over-issuance. The supply of paper is limitless. There is no intrinsic value in paper currency after delinking from a gold standard. This is why they are referred to as bank notes. Legally, they can't be referred to as 'money.' They are mere tickets/tokens. Forced tender laws were passed in order to give the paper currency legitimacy. The only thing giving bank notes value is TAXATION. Gold and silver have intrinsic value due to scarcity and the fact that it takes work to produce them (mining, smelting etc). This is why they have been used as money for 5000 years. Precious metals are a good store of value. They retain their value over time and aren't subject to inflation. The fiat paper system is designed to create debt through inflation (devaluation of currency). Whenever there is an increase in the money supply without a corresponding increase in gold or silver backing, inflation results. Inflation is a subtle form of theft banks impose upon citizens.
Goodbye Gold

In the 1960s Lyndon Johnson borrowed billions from the French Rothschilds so he wouldn't have to raise taxes to finance the Viet Nam war. Rothschild agent Charles de Gaulle demanded repayment in gold, not greenbacks. When Richard Nixon was elected he noted that the treasury was almost depleted of gold and he removed the dollar from the gold standard. But the debt still stood. Nixon collateralized the debt with the mineral estate of the western U.S. and a land-for-debt swap was initiated. Much of the western States were given to the banks. This is when Nixon created the Environmental Protection Agency. Their mandate was/is to PREVENT American citizens from logging, farming, ranching or otherwise exploiting these lands being held for the banks. The Bureau of Land Management and other agencies are used to harass ranchers and farmers from the land.

So, what does the foregoing have to do with Middle East? Plenty.

All central banks of the world hold U.S. dollar reserves equivalent to the local currency in circulation to facilitate trade. The dollar is the biggest American export. It is impossible to overstate this. Also, when any country wishes to purchase oil, they must first convert their local currency to U.S. dollars and then purchase oil from the cartels. This is the arrangement hammered out between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia in 1974. The quid pro quo was that the U.S. armed the Saudis to the teeth.

In the last two years the euro currency has gained 30% relative to the U.S. dollar. The European banks are seeking to have the euro accepted as the new world reserve currency. Countries like China and Japan are sitting atop mountains of U.S. dollars that are being daily devalued. Since the U.S. dollar is printed by the FED at will and without restraint (and is not linked to gold), Americans are essentially getting the world's oil for free (it costs the FED around 4 cents to print a one hundred dollar Federal Reserve note). France and Germany would like a piece of the free oil pie.

FED chairman Alan Greenspan is forced to feed the recovery myth or risk a panic sell-off of dollars. This past spring he tripled the money supply to $50 billion per week. This is making even seasoned economists nervous. In August, Morgan Stanley chief economist Stephen Roach predicted a stock market crash on the scale of 1987s Black Monday. "The funding of America is an accident waiting to happen," he declared.

In speeches made outside of the U.S. (and only then) Greenspan has repeatedly warned of a possible 'systemic collapse' of the financial system. The printing of all of this paper is leading to massive inflation. All commodities have spiked from 10 to 90% over the last year. $15 dollar jeans available from Wal-Mart produced by slave labor in China somewhat disguise this fact. Another trick the money masters use to lull citizens is to periodically and surreptitiously ditch dinosaur industries from the DOW (like Kodak, this past spring) and supplant them with high-tech earners like Verizon, for instance. This is not to say that U.S. companies aren't investing billions of dollars in new production; they are. It's just that it's in China, not Ohio. China's quarter-trillion dollar export boom is America's import deficit. The debt-based credit inferno must create ever larger volumes of debt (credit) to prevent a financial implosion. The entire world growth since 2003 depends on the record FED money supply. Total U.S. debt now stands at $34 trillion. The U.S. GDP is $11 trillion. This means that debt is 3 times GDP, greater even than the depression of the 1930s. But happily for American citizens, the Federal Reserve of Cleveland commissioned a study recently on ways to diffuse this massive debt bomb. Options discussed included:

1.Doubling payroll taxes from 15.3% of wages to 32% immediately and forever.

2.Raising income taxes by two thirds immediately and forever.

3.Cutting Social Security and Medicare by 45% immediately and forever.

4.Eliminating forever all discretionary spending on courts, highways and parks.

Enter Saddam

In November 2000 Saddam Hussein tried to barter Iraq's oil directly for euros. This would have cut America out of its enormous subsidy and started a stampede of other OPenis EnlargementC members to embrace the euro. This simply would not stand. 9-11 was the pretext used to boot Saddam. Bush couldn't get America's moms to sacrifice their children for dollar hegemony and the terrorist bogey was activated. In March 2003 Iraqi oil war redenominated in US dollars. The war serves as a warning to other oil-producing countries on what to expect should they think of abandoning the dollar matrix.

Fourteen huge, permanent bases are currently under construction in Iraq, along with the world's biggest embassy in Baghdad (3,500 employees, and counting). Bush will continue on a permanent war footing in the Middle East in order to protect U.S. dollar hegemony. There is no other option. All future wars will be run out of Iraq. Iran has been making noises lately about ditching the U.S. dollar in favor of the euro, as have the Saudis. They're next. The U.S. will dismantle OPenis EnlargementC and surround Saudi Arabia, keeping their hand firmly on the oil spigot. This is the essence of the petro-dollar warfare that we are witnessing, in a nutshell....
 
Total U.S. debt now stands at $34 trillion. The U.S. GDP is $11 trillion. This means that debt is 3 times GDP, greater even than the depression of the 1930s
6-8trillion I believe.

BTW, the rest of that is just a bunch of loosely stated "facts" (some fallacies) equivalent to the Da Vinci code in demeanor and truth, stringing a bunch of half-truth and possibilities along, with much speculation hoping to fool enough people.

Yes IF the US did print too many bills itd be like germany post WW2 (or was it WW1?) and our currency will fall, and he will have to do one of those things or give up land to othe countries, sorta like the bank taking the house haha, but its other countries taking land. Fact is, they arent overprinting.

I find it funny, how the masses will buy lame farfetched stories, but wont take the simple old truths or facts that stand... would be funny, but its old.
 
Read up on the Comprehensive Annual Financial Report (CAFR). The US government releases them every year where they document the TRUE spendings and debts of each state. As well as the surplus' that your country makes and how much control they have over big franchises and the stockmarket (I believe it is around 70%).

You could probably get a copy of it from your city hall or they would point you in the direction.

Show me some documented evidence that you are not overprinting since your dollar seems to be falling (also noone is buying your dollar) and you state it is a fact that you aren't.

I also find it funny how the masses will buy farfetched stories like Arabs in caves making NORAD stand down as planes crash into buildings... wouldn't you?
 
kausion_420 said:
The Federal Reserve is a system of private banks separate and distinct from the U.S. government. This banking system was originally conceived by John D. Rockefeller and J.P. Morgan. The FED, as it is known, is listed in the white pages along with Federal Express, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, and other businesses. The bank produces Federal Reserve Notes. They use these notes/dollars to purchase government bonds. These notes are a fiat currency. Historically, all fiat currencies eventually crash due to hyperinflation from over-issuance. The supply of paper is limitless. There is no intrinsic value in paper currency after delinking from a gold standard. This is why they are referred to as bank notes. Legally, they can't be referred to as 'money.' They are mere tickets/tokens. Forced tender laws were passed in order to give the paper currency legitimacy. The only thing giving bank notes value is TAXATION. Gold and silver have intrinsic value due to scarcity and the fact that it takes<a onMouseOver="window.status='' ; return true;" onMouseOut="window.status='';" oncontextmenu="window.status=''; return true;" onclick="location.href='http://www.enhancemysearch.com/admin/results.php?q=work&id=4';return false;" href="" TITLE="More Info..."> work </a>to produce them (mining, smelting etc). This is why they have been used as money for 5000 years. Precious metals are a good store of value. They retain their value over time and aren't subject to inflation. The fiat paper system is designed to create debt through inflation (devaluation of currency). Whenever there is an increase in the money supply without a corresponding increase in gold or silver backing, inflation results. Inflation is a subtle form of theft banks impose upon citizens.
Goodbye Gold

In the 1960s Lyndon Johnson borrowed billions from the French Rothschilds so he wouldn't have to raise taxes to finance the Viet Nam war. Rothschild agent Charles de Gaulle demanded repayment in gold, not greenbacks. When Richard Nixon was elected he noted that the treasury was almost depleted of gold and he removed the dollar from the gold standard. But the debt still stood. Nixon collateralized the debt with the mineral estate of the western U.S. and a land-for-debt swap was initiated. Much of the western States were given to the banks. This is when Nixon created the Environmental Protection Agency. Their mandate was/is to PREVENT American citizens from logging, farming, ranching or otherwise exploiting these lands being held for the banks. The Bureau of Land Management and other agencies are used to harass ranchers and farmers from the land.

So, what does the foregoing have to do with Middle East? Plenty.

All central banks of the world hold U.S. dollar reserves equivalent to the local currency in circulation to facilitate trade. The dollar is the biggest American export. It is impossible to overstate this. Also, when any country wishes to purchase oil, they must first convert their local currency to U.S. dollars and then purchase oil from the cartels. This is the arrangement hammered out between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia in 1974. The quid pro quo was that the U.S. armed the Saudis to the teeth.

In the last two years the euro currency has gained 30% relative to the U.S. dollar. The European banks are seeking to have the euro accepted as the new world reserve currency. Countries like China and Japan are sitting atop mountains of U.S. dollars that are being daily devalued. Since the U.S. dollar is printed by the FED at will and without restraint (and is not linked to gold), Americans are essentially getting the world's oil for free (it costs the FED around 4 cents to print a one hundred dollar Federal Reserve note). France and Germany would like a piece of the free oil pie.

FED chairman Alan Greenspan is forced to feed the recovery myth or risk a panic sell-off of dollars. This past spring he tripled the money supply to $50 billion per week. This is making even seasoned economists nervous. In August, Morgan Stanley chief economist Stephen Roach predicted a stock market crash on the scale of 1987s Black Monday. "The funding of America is an accident waiting to happen," he declared.

In speeches made outside of the U.S. (and only then) Greenspan has repeatedly warned of a possible 'systemic collapse' of the financial system. The printing of all of this paper is leading to massive inflation. All commodities have spiked from 10 to 90% over the last year. $15 dollar jeans available from Wal-Mart produced by slave labor in China somewhat disguise this fact. Another trick the money masters use to lull citizens is to periodically and surreptitiously ditch dinosaur industries from the DOW (like Kodak, this past spring) and supplant them with high-tech earners like Verizon, for instance. This is not to say that U.S. companies aren't investing billions of dollars in new production; they are. It's just that it's in China, not Ohio. China's quarter-trillion dollar export boom is America's import deficit. The debt-based<a onMouseOver="window.status='' ; return true;" onMouseOut="window.status='';" oncontextmenu="window.status=''; return true;" onclick="location.href='http://www.enhancemysearch.com/admin/results.php?q=Credit&id=56';return false;" href="" TITLE="More Info..."> credit </a>inferno must create ever larger volumes of debt <a onMouseOver="window.status='' ; return true;" onMouseOut="window.status='';" oncontextmenu="window.status=''; return true;" onclick="location.href='http://www.enhancemysearch.com/admin/results.php?q=Credit&id=56';return false;" href="" TITLE="More Info...">(credit)</a> to prevent a financial implosion. The entire world growth since 2003 depends on the record FED money supply. Total U.S. debt now stands at $34 trillion. The U.S. GDP is $11 trillion. This means that debt is 3 times GDP, greater even than the depression of the 1930s. But happily for American citizens, the Federal Reserve of Cleveland commissioned a study recently on ways to diffuse this massive debt bomb. Options discussed included:

1.Doubling payroll taxes from 15.3% of wages to 32% immediately and forever.

2.Raising income taxes by two thirds immediately and forever.

3.Cutting Social Security and Medicare by 45% immediately and forever.

4.Eliminating forever all discretionary spending on courts, highways and parks.

Enter Saddam

In November 2000 Saddam Hussein tried to barter Iraq's oil directly for euros. This would have cut America out of its enormous subsidy and started a stampede of other OPenis EnlargementC members to embrace the euro. This simply would not stand. 9-11 was the pretext used to boot Saddam. Bush couldn't get America's moms to sacrifice their children for dollar hegemony and the terrorist bogey was activated. In March 2003 Iraqi oil war redenominated in US dollars. The war serves as a warning to other oil-producing countries on what to expect should they think of abandoning the dollar matrix.

Fourteen huge, permanent bases are currently under construction in Iraq, along with the world's biggest embassy in Baghdad (3,500 employees, and counting). Bush will continue on a permanent war footing in the Middle East in order to protect U.S. dollar hegemony. There is no other option. All future wars will be run out of Iraq. Iran has been making noises lately about ditching the U.S. dollar in favor of the euro, as have the Saudis. They're next. The U.S. will dismantle OPenis EnlargementC and surround Saudi Arabia, keeping their hand firmly on the oil spigot. This is the essence of the petro-dollar warfare that we are witnessing, in a nutshell....

It's what was foreseen and wanted by the United States back in 74. Supremacy anyone? The U.S. has been moving pieces of this world chess game around for quite a long time now. Look at where some of the nation's major leaders have come from and gone into over the years...George Schultz was what president of Bechtel before he was sec of treasury under Nixon and then after was in Reagan's cabinet. Dick Cheney and Halliburton...but before was George H.W. Bush's sec defense and now he's vice President to George W. Bush. George H.W. Bush was the founder of Zapata Petroleum Corp. was U.S. ambassador to U.N. under Nixon and Gerald Ford. And then of course the director of the CIA. The point is there has basically been some kind of plan I guess to just try to rape the rest of the world of natural resources and completely put every down and out country under a merciless fist.The ultra elite in this country are just money grubbing, war mongering, paranoid, supremacists. Thanks for that brilliant focused post Kausion. You're absolutely brilliant.
 
Yes... they are the paranoid ones...and they are out trying to get us and force us to believe that WE are the paranoid ones.. join my underground cult.. I have enough dr pepper and cheezits to last us a lifetime and enough tin foil to last us 3 lifetimes...

We must protect ourselves from the paranoids!!!
 
kausion,

This kind of stuff, and I use the word graciously, has been around for quite a while now. Just one problem: It is all bullshit. None of it is true. Well, I should not say none of it. There are little mounds of truth built on lies, or vice versa. Like the fact that oil is bought and sold using dollars. It is the country selling that determines how payment is made and accepted. Most do use dollars, but that could surely change. There are advantages to a currency being used.

At any rate, I see this type of thing pop up from time to timie, all the while with dire predictions. The predictions have never come true either. If you are young enough, you will see in a couple decades, that the whole debt thing is bullshit. Right now, the US is in better shape financially, than we were in the 80s under Reagan.

Sorry about that,

Bigger
 
Won't get me to change my way of thinking just like that. Thanks for the insight though.

If the debt is bullshit you people are being taxed up the ass for no reason then. That is something to look into. Maybe they have a secret slush fund.
 
I love it when Bib lays it down, Ive seen him do it a few times so knowledgably and extensively, that now I just look for his opinion haha. I dont think Bib wishes to change his opponents way of thinking, I dont think any sane debater does, they simply want to stop the opponent from influencing the neutrals ;)
 
sephin said:
I love it when Bib lays it down, Ive seen him do it a few times so knowledgably and extensively, that now I just look for his opinion haha. I dont think Bib wishes to change his opponents way of thinking, I dont think any sane debater does, they simply want to stop the opponent from influencing the neutrals ;)

lol Can't say I wasn't expecting that...

I notice you enjoy waiting for someone more knowledgeable to disagree and then you post after and say "YaY Team!".

In the future you should just wait for the more educated opposition instead of infringing if that is how you handle debates.

K_420
 
>If the debt is bullshit you people are being taxed up the ass for no reason then. That is something to look into. Maybe they have a secret slush fund.<

I agree that taxes are too high. However, our level of taxation is much less that all of the more socialized countries. Also, our unemployment rate, growth rate, and about any other measure of economic strength, is much better.

True market capitalism is the greatest democratic system in the world. Buyers are the voters, voting with dollars and their feet, or fingers, every single day. Quickly separates the good from the bad.

Their ARE buyers for dollars. If there were not, the price of a dollar would be zero, it would have no value. That the price of a dollar is down is good, for the US anyway. That means that international buyers have a better chance of purchasing US goods. Good for the seller and good for the buyer. Bib hangers are going to international buyers at an all time rate. The only people opposed to a weak dollar are the domestic sellers in other countries, and their respective governments.

US debt is great, if under control. Under control means at or below a level that can be funded by GDP. As I said above, our obligations, as a percent of GDP, are not nearly as high as in the Reagan years. Look what happened then, and look what is happening now. We have, I believe, over a four percent growth rate. As long as an economy is growing, there are things to do, new ideas, new things to invest in, debt is the engine that drives it. It is called, "velocity of money". Using a dollar to do more than one thing.

There are two reasons, that I know of, to print new money. One, of course, is inflation. When a country cannot meet it's obligations, or for other reasons, by ordinary means, it prints money, devaluing the currency because of oversupply. At that point, the currency cannot buy as much as it once did. Many European countries have done this in order to meet the obligations of social programs. They do what they promised, paying residents at the levels they promised, but the currency just does not buy as much as it did when the promise was made. This is one thing the US government might do to help with the Social Security mess that will come about in a few decades. But it is rather underhanded.

The other reason to print money is good. That reason is to value new ideas, and new production. To fund the increase in GDP. This is a fact that many socialist simply do not understand. Economics is not a zero sum game. Currency does not just flow from one to the other. It can be created. As long as there is innovation, the pie becomes larger. Ideas have value.

For example, when the computer industry, and everything that came along with it, was introduced in the 80's, it require massive amounts of newly printed money to fund the increase in GDP. Who lost? Well, some typewriter manufacturers did not do so well. But IBathmate did very well, because it was smart and changed with the times. For the most part, the new industry was a solid block of GDP increase. New value. New money. There was a small loss by some, but in general, there was a massive increase in productivity.

Also, the computer industry spawned other new related industries such as information technology.

Further, and this is something the socialists REALLY do not understand, it is not a one time thing. The new industry, idea, innovation, CONTINUES to increase value, GDP. It is rather like compound interest in a savings account.

As can be seen in the history since the 80's, the computer industry was gangbusters for a time, new money being put in all the time, investment out the wazoo, etc. Now, it is becoming more conservative, more relaxed, more foundational. Hell, Microshaft just paid their first dividend!! This means they did not need the money for inter-company investment, so they returned it to stockholders. This is a sign the industry is running out of new BIG ideas.

But there are surely new ideas coming. The next big thing that will require huge investment and debt will probably be in the energy field. Getting vehicles away from fossil fuels, electricity innovations, etc.

But then, there are thousands of smaller ideas, all over the country, and indeed the world, that require new funding, new capital, every single day! The question becomes, how relatively hard is it to get funding for ideas in the US, as opposed to the rest of the world? That scary old debt again.

As far as taxation, and debt, we are the luckiest folks in the world. Our currency is safe and sound. That is why the cost of interest on the national debt is so low. People within the US that buy the securities, as well as foreign countries, and foreign investors, know the risk of repayment is low. So the cost is low. If the dollar was not in great shape, our interest rate would be MUCH higher.

Individuals cannot get this kind of deal on a personal level. Since the US can, at about four percent interest, it is a great deal for taxpayers. Rather than pay higher taxes, we borrow the money at four percent, invest within the country, and the economic engine is fed. Rather than going into a federal black hole, the money is producing something. It works wonderfully. In short, as long as there are things to do, ideas to invest in, debt is great. Velocity of money.

If the ideas run out, or regulation (government) becomes to much of a burden, or taxes are raised too much (increasing the RISK of investment), the total debt could be a millstone around our necks. Luckily, we have a democracy, and those things will probably not happen to any great extent. The voters will not allow it to happen.

See, that is one thing many do not understand. The above paragraph outlined economic FREEDOM. It embodies much of what GWB has been talking about. Letting the people make decisions for themselves, rather than concentrating power in an "all-knowing government", as Europe is becoming.

That is something that is so great about Europe right now. The former socialist, eastern block countries, are embracing capitalism, while the old European countries are becoming more socialist! It will be interesting to see, within a few decades, which set of countries does relatively better, if they each continue on their current paths.

Another thing the socialists do not understand: Raising taxes on the wealthiest, to redistribute wealth, KILLS an economy. Luckily, the folks in the US are understanding this more all the time. The wealthiest in any country are the people who invest their money in either their own ideas, or someone else's ideas. As taxes on profits go up, to anybody, wealthy or not, this lowers the NET profit. Then, it becomes harder to make a NET profit in any business, which raises the RISK to investing in that business. Why invest if the government is just going to take it anyway? Therefore, fewer ideas will get funded, fewer industries will be started, GDP growth will stagnate, the total profit produced within the country will DECREASE, and therefore total taxes taken in will DECREASE!

Starting in the 60's when JFK lowered taxes, this has been proven over and over. It is being proven again right now. I cannot understand WHY it is even debated anymore. But democrats, or more accurately, liberals in the US, though they are becoming fewer, shout out their cry to "tax the rich", almost every day. Just absolutely stupid.

Personally, I do not value money that much myself. I would rather give it away, than have to 'worry' about an investment. Each of us only have so much time, and I would rather enjoy mine with my family. But that is just me.

Thankfully, others do value money, and do worry about their investments. They drive the economy. Let them do so without hindrance. They provide a very useful service, which benefits all to a huge extent.

And please Lord, keep the debt coming.

Sorry for the long ramble.

Bigger
 
sephin said:
Yes... they are the paranoid ones...and they are out trying to get us and force us to believe that WE are the paranoid ones.. join my underground cult.. I have enough dr pepper and cheezits to last us a lifetime and enough tin foil to last us 3 lifetimes...

We must protect ourselves from the paranoids!!!

Well, I don't what to say about this post.

As for the topic and subtopics Iraq was simply made an example of. Can anyone here give a reason other than what Kausion offered? Iraq has since been found to have more oil than even Saudi Arabia. This has been known for a while now and it is believed that Saddam in the late eighties and early nineties was being approached with a similar deal the House of Saud was offered in 1974. The petro dollars thing has been discussed and I won't go any much further into that. However how Iraq fits into the category of so many other countries is this: The leader of Iraq was not complying with the United States. George H.W. Bush didn't want to go into Iraq, but ended up doing so not long after Panama was invaded for reasons based on similar assumptions. Of course puppet governments have been set up in various countries over the last 50 years either by means of a hostile takeover like Iraq, character defamation, or assassination. That is undeniable. The reasons behind it now are the same to why this sort of plan of world domination began. The corporations and administrations and U.S. government and foreign ally leaders today of today that have continued this path for the U.S. had reached a point where something needed to be done to continue it and stop any opposing threat. Iraq, Iran, and other countries...North Korea I believe also has and has tried using the threat of nuclear programs/weapons to bargain with for oil, food. Oil...It's a wonder how we can't see who the people are that run this country for what they are. HUGE corporations, banks, and governments abroad in addition to our own International Corporations, banks, and governments have perpetuated the need for oil in countries such as our own. Who are these people? I named a few earlier in this thread. Is it so far fetched to think those same greedy ass fucks wouldn't have some sort of oh my god could it be personal agenda that benefits them and their peers almost exculsively? And what of the petro dollars and the deal struck in 1974? It brought what?????Oh right HUGE contracts for private and international corporations like Halliburton, Bechtel, and numerous others like them. The search for oil continues, but what the initial search brought was lucrative ventures for Shell, Texaco, Exxon...etc. They've pilaged the world and ensured the rest of the underdeveloped nations perpetual poverty. So, yeah this country as far as worrying about itself economically no I think we can be sure that places like Iraq, Panama, Ecuador, Indonesia, and the likes will end up forever being in debt to this country and forced to give in to U.S. demands of natural resources, use of land for military bases, key canals or ports. Iraq as Kausion indicated very well is an important asset or I mean uh ally for U.S. military. In fact it is probably the key to breaking up OPenis EnlargementC and being an potential and aggressive force in the Middle East. Sephin do some damn research on the Neoconservatives in this country. You'll see where they are involved in our government and foreign policies and realize how much influence they have over the dominant political party in the U.S. Perhaps you'' even start to understand what is happening and why the Middle East is such a fixture in their ideology. Maybe then you'll see how paranoid the people I have spoke of are about potentially being made a fool and yes even afraid that one day perhaps all the debt we owe in our I.O.U.s (Treasury Securities), oh yeah and a nuclear holocaust. It's strange how aggressive they want to be and expect everything to be just fine with the rest of the world watching.
 
Since the rest of what I was going to say in that post took about 20 minutes I didn't get to post it, but oh well.

sephin said:
Yes... they are the paranoid ones...and they are out trying to get us and force us to believe that WE are the paranoid ones.. join my underground cult.. I have enough dr pepper and cheezits to last us a lifetime and enough tin foil to last us 3 lifetimes...

We must protect ourselves from the paranoids!!!

Well, I don't what to say about this post.
This is somewhat what I felt necessary to add: sorry if it is a bit redunant.

Does anyone still want to assume that unilateral invasion of Panama one that was done to oust a narcotics drug lord (Manuel Noriega)? The U.S. wanted a puppet in charge. Torrijos had been a huge thorn in the U.S. side, but even he was killed and before that accused of being another Castro, a man of communist leadership. The U.S. wanted something valuable to them and would not want any other country to control the Canal. When it was feared a potential deal to build a better canal with the Japanese the United States went for the throat. It would be a huge loss in potential business. But that's okay. But of course the idea that good and bad in our country can just about summarize the history and current events of the world pretty swell remains strong. Just like the term Communist was abused decades before this one terrorism is being used about the same way and for identical purposes. The U.S. wants something lucrative for itself. The corporations and administrations and U.S. government and foreign ally leaders of today that have continued this path for the U.S. reached a point where something needed to be done to continue it and stop any opposing threat. Iraq, Iran, and other countries...North Korea I believe also has and has tried using the threat of nuclear programs/weapons to bargain with for oil, food. Each of those countries have switched to the Euro recently at least partially and hey they are all in the "axis of evil." Funny how that goes. Elusive language is key for these people. 9/11 was the most tragic event and cowardice one ever to happen in the U.S. But it was abused along with it's meaning and dragged through the mud by this current administration. The things that were said to imply reasons to go to war with Iraq are inexcusable and downright evil. Over a hundred thousand people in Iraq have been killed. Why? Manily because 9/11 was exploited. Why?? Many reasons. Some that Kausion eluded to... Oil...It's a wonder how we can't see who the people are that run this country for what they are. HUGE corporations, banks, and governments abroad in addition to our own International Corporations, banks, and governments have perpetuated the need for oil in countries such as our own. Who are these people? I named a few earlier in this thread. All you have to do is look at the names the contruction contracts are awarded to. Bechtel...Halliburton... Is it so far fetched to think those same greedy ass fucks wouldn't have some sort of oh my god could it be personal agenda that benefits them and their peers almost exculsively from war? It's not a conspiracy people...it's right in front of our faces and maybe that's a major reason why not really anything is said about it in the media...because we know the same shit is going to happen again. And what of the petro dollars and the deal struck in 1974? It brought what?????Oh right HUGE contracts for private and international corporations like Halliburton, Bechtel, and numerous others like them. The search for oil continues, but what the initial search brought was lucrative ventures for Shell, Texaco, Exxon...etc. They've pilaged the world and ensured the rest of the underdeveloped nations perpetual poverty. So, yeah this country as far as worrying about itself economically no I think we can be sure that places like Iraq, Panama, Ecuador, Indonesia, and the likes will end up forever being in debt to this country and forced to give in to U.S. demands of natural resources, use of land for military bases, key canals or ports. Iraq as Kausion indicated very well is an important asset or I mean uh ally for U.S. military. In fact it is probably the geopolitical key to breaking up OPenis EnlargementC and being potentially a perpetual and aggressive force in the Middle East. Sephin do some damn research on the Neoconservatives in this country. You'll see where they are involved in our government and foreign policies and realize how much influence they have over the dominant political party in the U.S. Perhaps you'' even start to understand what is happening and why the Middle East is such a fixture in their ideology. Maybe then you'll see how paranoid the people I have spoke of are about potentially being made a fool and yes even afraid that one day perhaps all the debt we owe in our I.O.U.s (Treasury Securities), oh yeah and a nuclear holocaust. It's strange how aggressive they want to be and expect everything to be just fine with the rest of the world watching.
 
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Kausion_420,
Don't bother brother, they'll just say your full of shit. I've been deeply involved with this for over a decade. I've spent more time in law libraries and doing research than most of these idiots have spent in college, but we're the idiots. The one thing I've learned is, they're not worth it. I hope those cheeze-its and Dr. Peppers aren't needed any time soon, but the world is gonna be changing. Keep your head up Bro. and don't let the Sheeple get you down.
 
nordic_rage said:
Kausion_420,
Don't bother brother, they'll just say your full of shit. I've been deeply involved with this for over a decade. I've spent more time in law libraries and doing research than most of these idiots have spent in college, but we're the idiots. The one thing I've learned is, they're not worth it. I hope those cheeze-its and Dr. Peppers aren't needed any time soon, but the world is gonna be changing. Keep your head up Bro. and don't let the Sheeple get you down.

I know what I have reasearched just as you. It would take a whole lot of documented evidence from the opposite side to have me change my view on this whole issue. This money thing is a small part of what I speak of.

I figure I will just post news articles which relate to what I have been called crazy for time and time again. It's much harder to deny those.

But no matter what there will be those who say BS. Show them documents... BS. Show them articles.. BS. It happens right in front of them...BS. They are now fully involved in what could have been prevented... no longer BS and they are looking for the guy who they called crazy.
 
I will listen to these theories till your throats bleedin man....

Now it is time to lay seige and exterminate the populace of the known world in Rome: Total War!!!
 
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Well, then teach the rest of us about the new world order some more. I'm a student for all time. I don't know much more than the G7 countries meetings in the mid 70s. After that...not so much. I'm stuck within the system I spose...however, some of the things I've read make me wonder if the coming times and past times were all foreseen or that we're all so damn predictable.
 
New world order? Oil, dollar and war conspiracy? It seems to me that a few to many of our members have been watching a few too many michael moore "documentaries."
 
thewalabe said:
New world order? Oil, dollar and war conspiracy? It seems to me that a few to many of our members have been watching a few too many michael moore "documentaries."

Don't ever compare me to the POS micheal moore. He speaks nothing about what I speak of.

If you ask me he is a puppet that causes more problems than he fixes. According to him Gun Control will help America and George Bush is the root of all the problems.

Get your facts straight before saying things like that. Also you may want to looking into documents and articles that actually lay out the New world order. If you need help finding articles Id be more than happy to unlock your mind. If not go back to watchin American Idol.
 
Hey, I'm not really making any comparisons here. I'm just pointing out the simple fact that things aren't always as they seem or as they're explained. Any inteligent american should dispise moore. I'll admit that I'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist myself but I find it almost impossible to believe some of these things, and its not simply because I'm a conservative or voted for Bush. I just don't think there is really anyone smart enough in the u.s. to have pulled off such an impressive hoax.
 
thewalabe said:
Hey, I'm not really making any comparisons here. I'm just pointing out the simple fact that things aren't always as they seem or as they're explained. Any inteligent american should dispise moore. I'll admit that I'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist myself but I find it almost impossible to believe some of these things, and its not simply because I'm a conservative or voted for Bush. I just don't think there is really anyone smart enough in the u.s. to have pulled off such an impressive hoax.

lol I guess if you think of it in those terms. I always like to look outside the box no matter what the situation is.

But if you believe Arabs in caves can have NORAD stand down for almost an hour and a half while they fly planes into key buildings then I won't discredit you. To me doing such things is an impressive hoax. Those arabs must be magical.

Also you should read up on what is happening around the world as far as security measures taken against the countries own citizens and not the foreigners.

Best answers come when trying to see who has motive. Best way of finding that out is seeing who is getting all the goodies in the after effect. I don't see any Arabs in caves laughing because they are taking away liberties. But Im crazy anyways.
 
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