Proof of what is here claimed for?

Hi to everyone,
I am not so active in this forum as much as I am in a german one- also well known. ( I am not going to mention the name, for I do not want you to misunderstand my purpose. I am not doing any advertising. On the contrary, this is exactly what I am going to complain about)
But every now and again I like to read some threads here.


I must admit that both forums are quite different from each other in so far that the german one does not have the aim of persuading users to purchase any kind of pe-gadgets. No kind of advertisement are to be found in that forum. That gives more the impression that Penis Enlargement really works and that the people who write their threads are really users who practise pe.
In this forum there is too much advertisement and I think, it is more a business matter.
I ask myself whether it is reliable what users of "matter of size" assert.
Is there any kind of proof that the Guru of this Forum [DLD] has really gained 10 cm in lenght?
Furthermore, why is it more often to hear from users of this forum that they have gained many centimers in lenght than it happens in the German forum?

Actually, since I a practise pe too, I wish all that I read in this forum would be true!
Grosso

grosso;407141 said:

Hi to everyone,
I am not so active in this forum as much as I am in a german one- also well known. ( I am not going to mention the name, for I do not want you to misunderstand my purpose. I am not doing any advertising. On the contrary, this is exactly what I am going to complain about)
But every now and again I like to read some threads here.


I must admit that both forums are quite different from each other in so far that the german one does not have the aim of persuading users to purchase any kind of pe-gadgets. No kind of advertisement are to be found in that forum. That gives more the impression that Penis Enlargement really works and that the people who write their threads are really users who practise pe.
In this forum there is too much advertisement and I think, it is more a business matter.
I ask myself whether it is reliable what users of "matter of size" assert.
Is there any kind of proof that the Guru of this Forum [DLD] has really gained 10 cm in lenght?
Furthermore, why is it more often to hear from users of this forum that they have gained many centimers in lenght than it happens in the German forum?

Actually, since I a practise pe too, I wish all that I read in this forum would be true!
Grosso

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Welcome to Mattersofsize. I have an idea which German Penis Enlargement site you refer to and consider it to be very knowledgeable in the field. I can see your point entirely looking in on MOS from the outside and seeing advertisements and products being touted as the next best thing. However therein lies the answer to this question ... the forums are about penis enlargement as a WHOLE really and that includes all the methods that are used such as clamping, pumping, edging, Jelq, Manual work, extenders, ball stretchers, surgery etc etc etc.

We have many sub-forums within the site that cater for all these demands. The advertisments which are for various products not limited to the LengthMaster, Size Genetics extender and Bathmate are solely done because they WORK so well and the sale also helps the site and the site owner > DLD. I use the Bathmate and it has helped me a great deal over this year with permanent gains but that does not mean everyone should buy one and no one here is making anyone purchase anything nor do we say this is the only way ... you only need to look around the forums, please do try this and not merely see the advertisments and go over into the newbie section where you note sticky threads on FREE manuel routines created by myself and other members.

Mattersofsize in case you have not noticed has a huge Manuel penis enlargement following. Just look at the exercises which are done via hands alone and you will note this so.

I feel actually that the advertisements can be a nuisance on a site when in many sections and they look untidy but this is also a mans livelihood and life > DLD and as such he needs to earn a profit from sales. This doesn't mean he is a sellout or a fraud, many free pe forums have revenue coming in in some form incl �other PE site� place and this isn't something to be derailed about at all.

The Power Assist and LengthMaster are all DLD's creations and he has the right to mention them here on the forums along with the DVD and pay site. REMEMBER these forums are SUPPLEMENT to his pay site, this has ALWAYS been the case ... he has a pay site running alongside this free forums and honestly many people would and will do the same (Advertise on the forums what they sell).
Bathmate and the Size Genetics extender are just really reliable good products which are giving guys allot of success. These products would not be here if they were not reliable. Its optional to have one but many guys like gadgets and to supplement the workouts with a device to help them and as such the sales have been good.

So hopefully the above has answered some of your post. Now regarding DLD and his gains ... this is something that has been going on and on for years. A massive thread exists somewhere on the forums with clear pictures of his penis measured. Again I suppose one could say its fake if they want it to be so!

Why have the users of this forums seemingly gained more cm's in length than German forum users? I have no idea, maybe we have more members and the ratio works out more gains? could be a more dedicated bunch? Maybe they are the ones you see about gaining the most who are regular posters here? Think outside the box and analyse data before making huge generalize statements.

I have gone from 6.6 inches length and 5.4 inches girth when I started to over 8.3 inches length and 7 inches in girth. Matters of size has been a huge help to me but I have used both Manuel workouts and gadgets to supplement this. You dont need devices to grow the penis, I have always said this from day one. Its like Weight lifting, you can simply use bodyweight exercises to grow well and see the male Gymnasts what bodies they have from this.

Peace

Exactly, and even most so called "free" forums have money making "schemes" going on behind the scenes. I know of such a forum where they have "commercial" members who donate to the forum and promote money making products within the community. Granted, most of it is all kept behind the scenes and "hushed". In turn, they point fingers at places like this ( where the money making is out in the OPenis EnlargementN) and say things like DLD is only in Penis Enlargement for the money. I could name many men in the community who are guilty of similar accusations. For whatever the reason though, the critics love to point to DLD and usually nobody else. I think it's because DLD has the most convincing story of all. While the others hide behind their computers with no proof of their exercises having been done by themselves...nor size claims proven either. I won't name names of course because that would show a total lack of tact. The Penis Enlargement community as a whole is a good thing and a positive force. Sure, there are those within who are scammers and such just like anywhere else in life. It's up to the individual man to discern on his own as to what he wants to believe. Being a naysayer though and making condescending statements about whoever in the community gets nobody anywhere.

I joined many forums before I found this one and I think this is a happy medium between the sellers and the forums that ban you for mentioning any products. My opinion is if Joe Blow finds a great product that’s working for him then why not allow him to mention it, this could be helpful to others. We are grown ass men, if we don’t want to buy something we don’t have to, no one is forcing are hand

kast;407153 said:

I joined many forums before I found this one and I think this is a happy medium between the sellers and the forums that ban you for mentioning any products. My opinion is if Joe Blow finds a great product that’s working for him then why not allow him to mention it, this could be helpful to others. We are grown ass men, if we don’t want to buy something we don’t have to, no one is forcing are hand

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Can't...resist....must buy....penis product....noooooo! I'm a victim! Who do I blame???

Ok, ok, ok, it's enough! I understand what you mean and I do not have nothing to say against.
It is of course wonderful, that there is such a forum with lots of free information about pe, but this is not the only forum on the web. They are getting more and more.
Anyway, I like this forum too, since there are sooo many users, but I am a bit sceptic about some claims.
For example, why should be the Bathmate better than an usual pump? I love the stretching-exercises with the Bathmate proposed by dld, and I rella feel that I am stretching my penis from inside, but I can't believe that this exercise would work better by a Bathmate.
They are just such things which I do not advocate, otherwise I find this fourm really good.

by the way, would you please post the link of the mythic thread of DLD with his pictures and gain-history?
thanks
grosso

Everyone has the right to question.

But I'm curious since you are an experienced Penis Enlargement-er then you would know the exercises at least work.

It's my understanding regarding the Bathmate that the presence of water reduces edema which normally occurs with vacuum pumps. Less edema = more blood. More blood = eventual gains.

I don't think anyone has advocated that the Bathmate is the only way to go. I'm curious about it and eventually would like to try it.

I achieved my gains from another forum but alot of those exercises were openly accredited to DLD or Supra who also is a moderator here at MOS.

But even though everyone has the right to question, a matter of civility is still required at least in my mind of thinking.

To say things like "DLD's mythical thread" or things that seem to impugn the man's integrity just seems unjustified.
In any argument the benefit of the doubt rule, well rules.

well, but instead of giving your opinion by phylosophising on the way I called the notoriuos thread of DLD, you could just remain objective and post the links I asked for.

@Grosso
I always ask myself, what is the motivation of a speaker. To what goal is the speaker asking me to strive or help them achieve or come to equanimity in?
If your true protest, is that MOS is too commercialized, would it not then be more appropriate to send a concerned email to the site administrators and moderators? To post it in open forum is more just a form of agitation.
I also promote products that I think are good, everyone knows by now that I think cocoa butter is the bomb diggity, I do not gain anything from the sell of cocoa butter, the sale of MOS memberships, or the sale of any product. It just seems natural to share with your acquaintances those things you find that are helpful / useful / fun.
I greatly appreciate all the information that I have gleaned from MOS. As a sign of that gratitude, after 1 month of doing the things I learned about on the free forums, and seeing improvement, I purchased a membership for about $100, and I was glad to do it. This place I helped me displace years, nay, decades of depression.

What wonderful mods I have I can go away for a day and you guys keep things going, thank you!

grosso, As Still said, MOS carries a very limited line of products that work. If these products did not work they would not be for sale here, and the word SALE is vital to this argument as every product that is sold here comes at an extremely discounted price only available through MOS. The products currently for sale at MOS are:

The LengthMaster:
The most powerful stretching device in the world, Penis EnlargementRIOD. AT a price of $99 it is a steal and I thank Spankydog for his endless support in this project and his extremely low price on manufacturing. This would cost even the best trade worker 3 times the price.

The PowerAssist:
Initially created to assist in DLD Blasters but has found a lot of success in Expressive Stretching. Since it's release it has been used to create many exercises that allow the user to increase the stretch by at least 200% in intensity.

The Bathmate: MOS was one of the first companies to jump on board with these guys. It has been nothing but perfect since the beginning. Users have found the Bathmate to be one of the most powerful girth devices available. In addition to it being an incredible water pump it has also been used in two of the best exercises I have ever created, Hardcore Stretches and DLD Bathmate Girth Blasters. I feel it is the best money someone can spend on a girth tool.

The SizeGenetics
These guys have been number 1 in extenders since I can remember. MOS was always to small to approach them for a special deal. Over the last 2 years MOS has grown exponentially and I was finally able to make a deal. At more than 60% of a discount, it is better than good! To some men and extender is the only way they will stretch and I am so happy to be able to sell them such an incredible extender at such an incredible price. It is very important that everyone understands, I sacrifice a great deal of my commissions to deliver this price, as I do with the Bathmate.

the MOS DVD and Website
This has been sold since day one. MOS's penis enlargement program is still the world's best. We have kept the lifetime membership and DVD at the same price as it was day one. At the price it is set the user gets 100's of videos, articles, routines, and exercises that are only available through MOS)


Each one of these items has been used by myself and most of my mods with success. When we released these items to the forum they were also met with almost unanimous results across the board. In order for a product to be sold here it takes a lot of work from the partner. Ask Redzulu how strict I was with Bathmate before I allowed them to be a partner. Not only does our partners products need to work, I also expect the manufacturer to remain active on the board and help out where they can. Every exercise I created that are a part of the MOS exercise system is here on the board for free to any user who chooses to study it. For 10 years I have worked daily, never missing a day, helping and contributing to MOS. MOS is my life and I am dedicated to it's livelihood and its members. Prior to

From the sale of these items, which I not only stand behind but have used ALL successfully to make gains, the money goes to support me, my family, the forum costs and various other expenses like tech work, new updates, etc. I live an EXTREMELY humble life.

My gains have been verified and proven to 3 major news sources (GQ Magazine, KING Magazine and the Source). To prove my gains I was witnessed by a third party in a full measurement. These articles are available on MOS as well as the net and the sources mentioned. I started Penis Enlargement with a 6.5" length (bone pressed) and a 4.75" girth. I have gained 4.25" in length and 2.25" in girth. Today my penis measures 10.75 x just shy of 7 (thanks to the Bathmate) Most of my pictures have been taken down and erased. I decided to do this out of respect to my girlfriend and family. There is a thread still open that shows my last measurements (I believe 10.5 x 6.5). It is important to understand that most men do not come to me for advice because of my gains, they come because of my experience and education in natural penis enlargement. I have helped men for more than a decade through the MOS forum, multiple other forums, Youtube, various BLOGS, endless interviews, television documentaries, magazines, books, email, not to mention personal one to one sessions. I do this for the LOVE of it, never for money.

The most evident source of my legitimacy is the HARDCORE members who love coming here everyday (many have since the beginning.) Men that have supported me and I them. I would not have lasted 10 years if I were not completely honest, especially with the men here...THEY ARE TOUGH!

grosso;407169 said:

Ok, ok, ok, it's enough! I understand what you mean and I do not have nothing to say against.
It is of course wonderful, that there is such a forum with lots of free information about pe, but this is not the only forum on the web. They are getting more and more.
Anyway, I like this forum too, since there are sooo many users, but I am a bit sceptic about some claims.
For example, why should be the Bathmate better than an usual pump? I love the stretching-exercises with the Bathmate proposed by dld, and I rella feel that I am stretching my penis from inside, but I can't believe that this exercise would work better by a Bathmate.
They are just such things which I do not advocate, otherwise I find this fourm really good.

by the way, would you please post the link of the mythic thread of DLD with his pictures and gain-history?
thanks
grosso

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I loved conventional pumping and it works but since using Hydropumping aka via the Bathmate I have never looked back. Much more comfort, safer and better results. To understand how and why this may be than checkout this thread.

Regarding the stretching DLD advocates via a Bathmate, well my opinion is they should work via a normal pump aswell because its generating a vacuum so give it a whirl mate.

Lastly the oo la la ... those pictures you wanted ... thread with those is here.

Almost forgot ...

but this is not the only forum on the web. They are getting more and more.

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... sure they are, springing up everyday churning out the most despicable amateurish gibberish you could think. Time tests them all and Matters of size is still here right at the top amongst the others such as betterman, pegym, cheekycherry and �other PE site� Place.

The big names in this free underground scene if you will are the ones the weedy new sites copy from anyway. I can confidently say that we are pretty much inline at the top for the best free penis enlargement forums on the web.

REDZULU2003;407214 said:

I loved conventional pumping and it works but since using Hydropumping aka via the Bathmate I have never looked back. Much more comfort, safer and better results. To understand how and why this may be than checkout this thread.

Regarding the stretching DLD advocates via a Bathmate, well my opinion is they should work via a normal pump aswell because its generating a vacuum so give it a whirl mate.

Lastly the oo la la ... those pictures you wanted ... thread with those is here.

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WOW! I was in SHAPenis Enlargement! I have not seen that stand up photo in a minute Need to lose some weight again

If somebody exists who doesn't like the forum here there are excellent sources on the web for mental health services: don't complain.

If you purchase a Bathmate, your penis will DOUBLE in SIZE and if you BUY a SizeGenetics your penis will become as long as you want. You can also BUY one of my DVD's or a SITE MEMBERSHIP and a healthy does of TITAN Penis EnlargementNIS ENLARGEMENT PILLS that bring a Penis EnlargementNIS of STEEL and SIZES of GLORY. Buy Buy Buy!!!! Buy it all! I may be able to get a new Bentley this year.....BUY!!!!

Hell Yeah! Why would anyone let these unimaginable deals slip through your left or right HAND'S! They make excellent Christmas gifts.

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Propagandist

i don't visit a lot of other pe sites..but the one's that i do occassionally go to doesn't seem to have as many advertisments as MOS which is fine...but i don't believe the the other sites admins and owners are not as inventive either...dld and others try to invent different products like the LengthMaster and the power assist to aide in gaining...but my thing is that a lot of new guys coming here looking for easy gains and quick fixes buying up all these products thinking that they are going to have the key to fast and easy gains and then are disappointed when they find out no matter what you buy you have to put in countless hours..and you can get the same results by just using your hands and time and dedication...i don't mind all the ads..but i'm well enough in the game to not jump at the shiny new gadget that comes out...but like one other member said we are all grown men..with the mental ability to make decisions...