Disclaimer: With this thread I don't want to advise against Kegeling by any means. I strictly refer to the special case that my PE career represents and maybe a small group of other PErs who may have made the same observations
The last weeks I did what is generally considered very unwise in the PE community, but just seemed appropriate in my specific situation and proved to be so in hindsight: I abandoned Kegels altogether...and my erection quality is splendid nonetheless, one could even say it got better paradoxically, although that is a bit imprecise of an characterization because, as you will read below, it wasn't a weakening of the PC that led to my problems .
So, first I wanna tell you why I made this unconventional move and second about the hypotheses I deduced from my observations. Third point I want to discuss is my procedure in the near future.
1. While I had always strictly subjected myself to the ubiquitously advocated daily Kegeling (or at least 5 days/week) in the first 1,5 years of my PE career, my motivation eventually waned since I never had the impression that it had any significant effect on my EQ.
(Let me tell you parenthetically that my EQ often noticeably suffers from my girth training, interspersed by phases of good to excellent EQ>I always asked myself what one could do to counteract this side-effect of girth training. Kegels didn't and don't cut it practically nor should they - if I thought that through correctly - theoretically because if the erectile tissue is exhausted, it's just that: exhausted. One can reassure oneself of that by taking a break from one's girth training and observe the rapidly improving EQ while the parameter of size stays the same. So blood circulation and thus PC muscle condition can be ruled out as causative factors in that case. Would be an interesting subject to discuss what exhaustion on a physiological level really means. If anyone here knows, please chime in)
2. From then on I kegeled only sporadically and finally - about 4 months ago or maybe even a bit longer - fully quit it. What I found out during this phase was, that I had less problems with my EQ during sex. I recognized now that the main reason for my deficient EQ (besides the aforementioned exhaustion by girth training which still is a problem sometimes) had been my permanently toned PC muscles. A contraction of them cannot only - as everyone here knows - lead to faster orgasms but in my case (and maybe some other guy's too?) it primarily led to a successive decrease of erection. Maybe this is caused by reduced blood flow into the penis when the PC muscles are constantly flexed, that would make sense to me. But it might also or additionally be the negative effect it has on my psyche which can't really relax if my PC muscles aren't relaxed. I think it's a bit of both.
Given the fact, that my EQ didn't get any worse and my PC muscles not weaker due to a lack of exercising (which is the expectable reaction of a trained muscle once the conditioning stimulus is absent) I also concluded that my PC muscles must have been just as strong in my pre-Pe life as they were after I had trained them for 1,5 years. So I reasoned that many years of heavy strength training (especially squats and dead lifts) must've challenged my PC muscles that much that they had already been in really good shape. Every serious lifter intuitively knows that these muscles are recruited during heavy compound movements, once he begins to think about that. Thus, my Kegel regime was essentially useless because it couldn't add a further stimulus that had a real effect on anything relevant to me, my sex life or my PE.
3. I've pondered the possibility of conducting a Kegel routine, based purely on reverse Kegels. If anything, I must have a muscular imbalance (thanks Zam for putting up the thread about Kegels>I've read that there). I wonder if my lack of stamina in bed has something to do with that or if my inability to delay orgasm by RKing may be attributed to this imbalance. What do you think? Is it worth a try?
Also all lifters are very welcome to share their experiences. Maybe there are some PErs who have made similar observations?
Cheers
The last weeks I did what is generally considered very unwise in the PE community, but just seemed appropriate in my specific situation and proved to be so in hindsight: I abandoned Kegels altogether...and my erection quality is splendid nonetheless, one could even say it got better paradoxically, although that is a bit imprecise of an characterization because, as you will read below, it wasn't a weakening of the PC that led to my problems .
So, first I wanna tell you why I made this unconventional move and second about the hypotheses I deduced from my observations. Third point I want to discuss is my procedure in the near future.
1. While I had always strictly subjected myself to the ubiquitously advocated daily Kegeling (or at least 5 days/week) in the first 1,5 years of my PE career, my motivation eventually waned since I never had the impression that it had any significant effect on my EQ.
(Let me tell you parenthetically that my EQ often noticeably suffers from my girth training, interspersed by phases of good to excellent EQ>I always asked myself what one could do to counteract this side-effect of girth training. Kegels didn't and don't cut it practically nor should they - if I thought that through correctly - theoretically because if the erectile tissue is exhausted, it's just that: exhausted. One can reassure oneself of that by taking a break from one's girth training and observe the rapidly improving EQ while the parameter of size stays the same. So blood circulation and thus PC muscle condition can be ruled out as causative factors in that case. Would be an interesting subject to discuss what exhaustion on a physiological level really means. If anyone here knows, please chime in)
2. From then on I kegeled only sporadically and finally - about 4 months ago or maybe even a bit longer - fully quit it. What I found out during this phase was, that I had less problems with my EQ during sex. I recognized now that the main reason for my deficient EQ (besides the aforementioned exhaustion by girth training which still is a problem sometimes) had been my permanently toned PC muscles. A contraction of them cannot only - as everyone here knows - lead to faster orgasms but in my case (and maybe some other guy's too?) it primarily led to a successive decrease of erection. Maybe this is caused by reduced blood flow into the penis when the PC muscles are constantly flexed, that would make sense to me. But it might also or additionally be the negative effect it has on my psyche which can't really relax if my PC muscles aren't relaxed. I think it's a bit of both.
Given the fact, that my EQ didn't get any worse and my PC muscles not weaker due to a lack of exercising (which is the expectable reaction of a trained muscle once the conditioning stimulus is absent) I also concluded that my PC muscles must have been just as strong in my pre-Pe life as they were after I had trained them for 1,5 years. So I reasoned that many years of heavy strength training (especially squats and dead lifts) must've challenged my PC muscles that much that they had already been in really good shape. Every serious lifter intuitively knows that these muscles are recruited during heavy compound movements, once he begins to think about that. Thus, my Kegel regime was essentially useless because it couldn't add a further stimulus that had a real effect on anything relevant to me, my sex life or my PE.
3. I've pondered the possibility of conducting a Kegel routine, based purely on reverse Kegels. If anything, I must have a muscular imbalance (thanks Zam for putting up the thread about Kegels>I've read that there). I wonder if my lack of stamina in bed has something to do with that or if my inability to delay orgasm by RKing may be attributed to this imbalance. What do you think? Is it worth a try?
Also all lifters are very welcome to share their experiences. Maybe there are some PErs who have made similar observations?
Cheers
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