A little bathmate skepticism - sorry..

Hey everyone.
I was just wondering.. The way Bathmate is supposed to work, it will enlarge the blood chambers of the penis. Similar to SSJ for instance, right?

Well, how can the added inch after my Bathmate exit, be anything else than fluid buildup, when my penis comes out semi erect? It obviously haven't forced my blood chambers to fill up?

I know the penis isn't neccisarily erect when clamping as well, but that's different because we're pushing the blood around so one spot of the penis is forced to hold more blood than it's used to.

I'm sorry for my skepticism, but I consider my time precious, so if there's no logical argument to use the Bathmate with SSJs rather than just doing SSJ - well, then I won't use it.

SSj as i see it, is to get alot of blood inside your penis, and then compromise the room in your penis to force the chambers in your penis to expand.

Anybody who has tryed this can see a Big fat temporary girth while doing the exercise. im talking Redzulu girth almost!

the reason why i see the Bathmate being a good supplement is afterwards when putting your cock in it, it will expand it with the vacuum. only this time your cock has just came out of a huge girth exercise, and the chambers got "used to" being expanded, so they will become that easily again. and by doing it with 3 sets, your chambers will experience fatigue, and stop trying to shape it back to its normal size in this moment.

Now doing this once will give the cock to Over time get the usual size back. But by doing it on a regular basis you will start to grow more cells down there and your cock will build up around the expansion, therefore giving a greater girth.

So my conclusion is that the SSJ is a powerfull tool on its own, but dude have you even tryed 1 session of it? i mean, look at my progress log, there is no doubt in my mind that this is by far the best Girth workout i have ever tryed.

Skeptisism is healthy, but sometimes you gotta think: what is the worst thing that can happen? my penis will be bigger! Hydromaxmm okay lets try it.

guy on the street saying: Pssst i can make you millionaire in 3 days just give me 100 bucks and wait here!
whats the worst thing that can happen? he runs away and your 100 bucks short.
also it is highly unlikely that you will become millionair by this.

In this case i can only see your skeptisism holding you back from greater gains, and in my opinion that is unhealthy skeptisism.

what i say here is my opinion, Maybe DLD or the other gurus have another version of what the workout does, this is how i feel it affects my penis.

Aimingforthetop;387194 said:

SSj as i see it, is to get alot of blood inside your penis, and then compromise the room in your penis to force the chambers in your penis to expand.

Anybody who has tryed this can see a Big fat temporary girth while doing the exercise. im talking Redzulu girth almost!

the reason why i see the Bathmate being a good supplement is afterwards when putting your cock in it, it will expand it with the vacuum. only this time your cock has just came out of a huge girth exercise, and the chambers got "used to" being expanded, so they will become that easily again. and by doing it with 3 sets, your chambers will experience fatigue, and stop trying to shape it back to its normal size in this moment.

Now doing this once will give the cock to Over time get the usual size back. But by doing it on a regular basis you will start to grow more cells down there and your cock will build up around the expansion, therefore giving a greater girth.

So my conclusion is that the SSJ is a powerfull tool on its own, but dude have you even tryed 1 session of it? i mean, look at my progress log, there is no doubt in my mind that this is by far the best Girth workout i have ever tryed.

Skeptisism is healthy, but sometimes you gotta think: what is the worst thing that can happen? my penis will be bigger! Hydromaxmm okay lets try it.

guy on the street saying: Pssst i can make you millionaire in 3 days just give me 100 bucks and wait here!
whats the worst thing that can happen? he runs away and your 100 bucks short.
also it is highly unlikely that you will become millionair by this.

In this case i can only see your skeptisism holding you back from greater gains, and in my opinion that is unhealthy skeptisism.

what i say here is my opinion, Maybe DLD or the other gurus have another version of what the workout does, this is how i feel it affects my penis.

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I think you misunderstood my question or I haven't been clear enough. I'm not questioning the SSJ. I love that exercise. To put it simple I'm questioning how the Bathmate can expand my blood chambers, when I'm only coming out of it semi-erect?

If your only semi erect or not doesn't have anything to do with your penis or its size. thrust me it works, my whole point was that you should just try it since you got nothing to lose.

Aimingforthetop;387341 said:

If your only semi erect or not doesn't have anything to do with your penis or its size. thrust me it works, my whole point was that you should just try it since you got nothing to lose.

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No, it doesn't have anything to do with my penis size. What I'm saying is that, the Bathmate can't possibly enlarge the the corpus cavernosum if the penis isn't fully erect when it's pulled out of the Bathmate.

And yes, I do have something to loose because the time I'm using, to do my Bathmate intervals, I could have used doing even more SSJs, thus inhibiting my gains - that is if the Bathmate doesn't work.

John McCock;387354 said:

No, it doesn't have anything to do with my penis size. What I'm saying is that, the Bathmate can't possibly enlarge the the corpus cavernosum if the penis isn't fully erect when it's pulled out of the Bathmate.

And yes, I do have something to loose because the time I'm using, to do my Bathmate intervals, I could have used doing even more SSJs, thus inhibiting my gains - that is if the Bathmate doesn't work.

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Sorry if I came out mad there but I feel like your not getting the point of where my skepticism lies

I am kind of confused to the question.

I'm also confused with your question.

Are you asking if one comes out of the Bathmate semi erect and than starts SSJ's that than surely they cant be working with expanded penis but mostly fluid because the penis was semi erect when coming out of the Bathmate? I will say that just because someone leaves the Bathmate semi erect doesn't meant the penis hasn't been expanded while inside, which is what counts when under the pressure from the vacuum. It greatly helps when being erect when pumping from my own experiences anyhow.

I see now permanent new growth to my penis since using the Bathmate and that's in girth as well. I understand your scepticism because this is a Penis Enlargement-Device and you want to make-sure you understand what's going on before you would buy one but if you really are sceptical, very much so than its best to stay away from pumping because later down the line if something doesn't work out you will choose 'it' as the culprit which isn't the best policy. Stick with your SSJ's.

John McCock;387355 said:

Sorry if I came out mad there but I feel like your not getting the point of where my skepticism lies

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It almost sounds as though you're trying (waaaay too hard) to convince anybody who'll listen to buy into your skepticism and thereby......ummm.....in order to.....aaahhh....errrrr...

What the fuck ARE you trying to do or prove anyway?

If ya don't think it'll work, then ya don't think it'll work; just pack it back away and go on about yer business. I, personally, don't see any purpose for this thread any way I look at it.

he is saying that the expansion comes from fluid build-up and not from internal blood pressure, there-by not creating permanent expansion. BUT, if you are on the fence when using the Bathmate, try and stay erect during your session. do kegels and watch ���� to maximize your time spent. and do dld Bathmate stretches as well, to increase expansion even further than usual. i believe most expansion is temporary, but if you overshoot your goal and get way more expansion than you want, some of it will remain even as the rest goes away.

just my $0.02.

I think I understand. You are asking how will temporary gains effect permanent gains. The Bathmate works over time. I was skeptical for 2 weeks of using the Bathmate until I realized going in almost fully erect gave me unbelievable results. Yes the gains ARE temporary but after time of using your Bathmate day after day the penis begins to permanently expand with the pumping. Another words. If you fill up a balloon with water and leave it for the day, and that night empty it, the balloon will go back to its original size and shape, but do this to the same balloon every day for 6 months and the balloon will become stretched out over time and use. I think the Bathmate works like that. I also saw longer larger results when I started clamping and wearing a cockring after pumping with the Bathmate for 30 min.

John McCock;387354 said:

No, it doesn't have anything to do with my penis size. What I'm saying is that, the Bathmate can't possibly enlarge the the corpus cavernosum if the penis isn't fully erect when it's pulled out of the Bathmate.

And yes, I do have something to loose because the time I'm using, to do my Bathmate intervals, I could have used doing even more SSJs, thus inhibiting my gains - that is if the Bathmate doesn't work.

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what is SSJs means? i am confused.

John do you already have a Bathmate or are you thinking about buying one?

your arguments doesn't make sence to me. your actually asking if the Bathmate gives better results than just by doing SSJ's?
why should DLD recommend it if it didn't assist? and your argument of it not helping the expand since it isn't erect???????

If you put a tube around your cock and put a huge engine on the other side and start it, now your cock will be experiencing a huge vacuum and start to expand, if the engine is big enough your cock will probably pop.

no places in this story the cock has been erect, but yet there still has been an expansion.

Your cock getting an erection is your body pumping blood into it.

You using a Bathmate is a vacuum expanding your bloodvessels sucking blood into your cock.

2 different things giving the same results. if we where able to continue the blood pumping into our penis by just doing PC flexes we would be able to gain on an extreme speed on that alone. but since we can't do that we have to do the second best which is a Bathmate.

Maxameyes,
I'm not trying to prove anything, I'm questioning the theory of the Bathmate, which I've heard is perfectly healthy.

Aimingforthetop,
I just reread what I wrote earlier and I do want to apologize once again for sounding as asshole, I know you're just trying to help. And to answer your question, yes I already have a Bathmate.

Obviously, not many of you know what the hell, I'm trying to say. So let me try again.

The Bathmate claim is that the vaccum will make the corpus cavernosum(plural?) grow, right? This will happen through an expansion of the these. Well it seems to me that in order for expansion, my erection level would have to be beyond 100%. If it is only semi-erect, then the corpus carvernosum is only half full - How can this cause an expansion in the corpus cavernosum?

Now, I used SSJ and clamps as an example of other girth exercises that can be performed semi-erect, but to me this isn't the same because during clamping we're squeezing different places of the penis to make the corpus cavernosum expand locally at different places.

I'll keep my fingers crossed that this makes more sense than the first post.

Turnover,
You mentioned that these tempoary gains, which I'm for now is calling solely fluid buildup, leads into permanent gains. Are there any chance that this is just fluid buildup camping down there for good? Gains are gains I guess, but it's interesting to discuss. For me at least

Although pumping brings temporary gains through swelling they will become permanent as the penis is expanded beyond it's normal state. Like any other form of pe, pumping requires time and effort to bring permanence of gains. By itself, pumping can be very confusing to newer guys s they may see a temporary gain of 1-1.5" of girth and the next day it is not there, if they are not aware of temp gains they may get discouraged. The Bathmate is more realistic than other forms of pumping as much of the expansion is tissue expansion, opposed to fluid retention. I think the water has a lot to do with it. Now, any form of Penis Enlargement done independently will bring gains at a rate dependent on how much is done and how long it takes for your body to repair. Keeping this in mind, adding in other complimentary methods of Penis Enlargement will help bring gains at a much higher rate.

When we think about the Bathmate and the temporary expansion it brings it is important to explore where the expansion is coming from. In most cases expansion will be a combination of tissue engorgement and fluid retention. Tissue engorgement is due to blood being brought into the penis and forced into cavernous, spongy tissue. The more blood introduced into this tissue the more it deforms and expands (permanent). Just above this tissue is a layer of tunica, a very thick sheath-like form with only 5% elasticity. Body fluids become trapped in between the tunica and upper dermal layers causing fluid retention (temporary). This swelling of sorts can take up to 24 hours to leave but this can be corrected by working smarter. Slow Squash Jelqs are an exercise that work perfectly with the Bathmate as they force fluid retention to distribute evenly throughout the penis allowing for faster recovery and in effect, better tissue expansion. When these two exercise are done together we get the best of both worlds.

DLD Bathmate Girth Blasters allow the user to take temporary expansion and make it permanent much faster then doing either exercise alone.

I dont think its only fluid build up no. I understand your question now, you want to know why would the Bathmate work if it only fills up half the corpus cavernosum because that wouldnt be expanding you larger than an erection would. My idea of how the Bathmate works is while you are flaccid it is stretching these same organs that would otherwise be lying dormant in your pants another words. The pumping therefore does expand them more than just sitting there. Also when I pump I go in sometimes 100% erect and then slowly pump to 100% pressure (as much as possible) and after my set my penis is ALWAYS much bigger than it is with normal flaccid hang. In fact it is almost as big as my erection and over time it has gotten longer and thicker after pumping with the Bathmate.

I like fluid build up if its not overboard. Ive read a little is actually good for your penis. But my penis is definitely "bigger" after a good pump and not at all just fluid build up When the corpus cavernosum is expanded in flaccid state I do believe it inturn leaves you with a bigger erection-- over time.