ADF;594256 said:
If DLD kept all his secrets secret, then you would not be as far along as you now are with PE. So tell us your secret wrap so we can all move along home together as one Brotherhood. I am pretty good at wrapping and even have a sticky about it, but other guys here are not as fortunate as us and need help w/ such issues. Just saying.....:)

continue moving along...DLD didn't just give away everything he came up with right away...some yes, some no. I went through many wraps and will continue to perfect this one and do as I please with it. I will also continue to share what I want with the brotherhood here through ideas and support and will have no worries about your judgement as to what i should share. just saying......:)
 
youknowme123321;594258 said:
continue moving along...DLD didn't just give away everything he came up with right away...some yes, some no. I went through many wraps and will continue to perfect this one and do as I please with it. I will also continue to share what I want with the brotherhood here through ideas and support and will have no worries about your judgement as to what i should share. just saying......:)
I was not judging you and you can do anything you want with you secret precious wrap. Again just saying......:)
 
yes you were...you said I should share my wrap based on your judgement that I wouldn't be as far along in PE as I am if DLD kept all his secrets secret. It was your belief that I should share something I didn't want to based on the brotherhood here and therefore it is implied that if I don't I am not supporting the brotherhood...Judgement. Glad I could clear that up for you.

You are very passive aggressive as displayed by your "secret precious wrap" comment as well as your "again just saying" comments. Your "secret precious wrap comment" also makes me think you were the kid who was always player 1 on video games because its your video game...hahaha. Or you took your basketball home when you lost or weren't picked. Could be wrong about these things though.

This will probably fall on blind eyes but hopefully reading our conversation will make you see you shouldn't tell anyone to share anything they don't want no matter what their reason or your belief.

My last thought that I gathered from your brotherhood comment is I am surprised you did not provide support to me and my endeavors moving forward with something that could become a business venture for myself.
 
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youknowme123321;594263 said:
yes you were...you said I should share my wrap based on your judgement that I wouldn't be as far along in PE as I am if DLD kept all his secrets secret. It was your belief that I should share something I didn't want to based on the brotherhood here and therefore it is implied that if I don't I am not supporting the brotherhood...Judgement. Glad I could clear that up for you.

You are very passive aggressive as displayed by your "secret precious wrap" comment as well as your "again just saying" comments. Your "secret precious wrap comment" also makes me think you were the kid who was always player 1 on video games because its your video game...hahaha. Or you took your basketball home when you lost or weren't picked. Could be wrong about these things though.

This will probably fall on blind eyes but hopefully reading our conversation will make you see you shouldn't tell anyone to share anything they don't want no matter what their reason or your belief.

My last thought that I gathered from your brotherhood comment is I am surprised you did not provide support to me and my endeavors moving forward with something that could become a business venture for myself.

Take a Xanax and relax bro, it's no big deal. A business venture for yourself I will not support but one for the brotherhood here on [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MoS[/words] I will support. You sound young and immature to accuse me of judging you right off instead of thinking of the Brotherhood here. I don't really give a damn about your secret precious wrap and was just thinking about the guys here. But it seems you only want to think about yourself and what is financially good for you.

It was not a judgment but a suggestion to share your secret precious wrap. Just keep it or sell it I personally don't care. There is more to the BrotherHood here than you realize and maybe someday you will see that. :)
 
ADF;594266 said:
Take a Xanax and relax bro, it's no big deal. A business venture for yourself I will not support but one for the brotherhood here on [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MoS[/words] I will support. You sound young and immature to accuse me of judging you right off instead of thinking of the Brotherhood here. I don't really give a damn about your secret precious wrap and was just thinking about the guys here. But it seems you only want to think about yourself and what is financially good for you.

It was not a judgment but a suggestion to share your secret precious wrap. Just keep it or sell it I personally don't care. There is more to the BrotherHood here than you realize and maybe someday you will see that. :)

You are very wrong and selfish. Based off your thought process nobody should do anything in PE that requires them to charge money. Did DLD give out the design for any of his PE equipment that he sells before he started selling them. The answer is no.

You are blind to see that this is something I am working on that I hope will be good enough to share someday with members here and elsewhere. Yes I hope it can make me money...just like DLD did & does with his PE ideas b/c it allows him to keep doing it. I'm sure DLD came up with ideas and after working on them himself he said forget it and some became the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LENGTHMASTER[/words].

You do care...that is why you commented in the first place. If you did not care you never would have told me what you believe I should do based on your beliefs (that is judgement). To think I only want to think about myself b/c I'm not ready to share something I have been working on for a long time is selfish and misguided (oh and it's judgemental lol). But expected by a judgemental person like yourself.

You do not realize what the brotherhood is about. You said you will not support a business venture for me but would support for the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] brotherhood. My business venture I hope will be good for the brotherhood one day. Your lack of support for me is a lack of support for the brotherhood that i have and plan to continue to support both through my project and outside of it.

You expect people to do as you feel they should without any thought to their time or what it may bring in the future to the brotherhood. This is my project just like the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PA[/words] and [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words] were DLD's projects. Do you feel DLD should share everything he is working on right now that he hopes will be good enough to share and sell or not sell in the future? Or can he keep working on whatever he may be working on and share for free or profit it when he is ready to do so? I look forward to your answers on that.

If you would open your xanax now and take one it would calm the arrogance within you and allow you to step back and see where your thought processes have broken down.

You should see that it makes you seem immature and young to tell that to someone as well as tell them what they should do. Again looking forward to your response about what DLD, or anyone for that matter who designs and sells PE tools, should do when designing something because according to you we are all selfish and don't support the brotherhood because we go out and put in time to improve the brotherhood whether it is something that may make us financial gains or not
 
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DLD also didn't share [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words] with the brotherhood when he was first coming up with the idea..."what an ass" (in my ADF voice)
 
A. If your wrap is something you designed, like w/ products you made and everything. Then I could see your frustration w/ wanting to share it or just being asked to.

B. However, if it's a method/tactic of use w/ products that were given to you w/ the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words], then it's a stingy stance to take to not want to openly divulge information on that. The same can be said w/ any wraps purchased online.


I'm just trying to put out the different point of views here. If you don't want to share something, that's all you. You have every right to share what you want or don't want to.

I will say though, if it's anything like "B.", then you're going to have a hard time wrapping it up as a product for sale. It would need to be more like an ebook if it's comprised of products that are easily obtainable online.


Don't really see what the issue is on the wrap. There are a lot of wrap techniques online if someone didn't want to pay for information on one.
 
youknowme123321;594278 said:
DLD also didn't share [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words] with the brotherhood when he was first coming up with the idea..."what an ass" (in my ADF voice)


youknowme123321;594273 said:
You are very wrong and selfish. Based off your thought process nobody should do anything in PE that requires them to charge money. Did DLD give out the design for any of his PE equipment that he sells before he started selling them. The answer is no.

You are blind to see that this is something I am working on that I hope will be good enough to share someday with members here and elsewhere. Yes I hope it can make me money...just like DLD did & does with his PE ideas b/c it allows him to keep doing it. I'm sure DLD came up with ideas and after working on them himself he said forget it and some became the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LENGTHMASTER[/words].

You do care...that is why you commented in the first place. If you did not care you never would have told me what you believe I should do based on your beliefs (that is judgement). To think I only want to think about myself b/c I'm not ready to share something I have been working on for a long time is selfish and misguided (oh and it's judgemental lol). But expected by a judgemental person like yourself.

You do not realize what the brotherhood is about. You said you will not support a business venture for me but would support for the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] brotherhood. My business venture I hope will be good for the brotherhood one day. Your lack of support for me is a lack of support for the brotherhood that i have and plan to continue to support both through my project and outside of it.

You expect people to do as you feel they should without any thought to their time or what it may bring in the future to the brotherhood. This is my project just like the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PA[/words] and [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words] were DLD's projects. Do you feel DLD should share everything he is working on right now that he hopes will be good enough to share and sell or not sell in the future? Or can he keep working on whatever he may be working on and share for free or profit it when he is ready to do so? I look forward to your answers on that.

If you would open your xanax now and take one it would calm the arrogance within you and allow you to step back and see where your thought processes have broken down.

You should see that it makes you seem immature and young to tell that to someone as well as tell them what they should do. Again looking forward to your response about what DLD, or anyone for that matter who designs and sells PE tools, should do when designing something because according to you we are all selfish and don't support the brotherhood because we go out and put in time to improve the brotherhood whether it is something that may make us financial gains or not
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*ADF is done w/ this thread*
 
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ADF;594256 said:
If DLD kept all his secrets secret, then you would not be as far along as you now are with PE. So tell us your secret wrap so we can all move along home together as one Brotherhood. I am pretty good at wrapping and even have a sticky about it, but other guys here are not as fortunate as us and need help w/ such issues. Just saying.....:)

hey guys I didn't mean to start any trouble, I just desperately needed a new wrap idea. I need length really bad. I've been self conscious about my size since I was a kid. all the men in my family are well above average, and they would tease me, and even pants me in public. not to mention the "your size is fine" phrase from women, and the dishonest facial expression like they're holding back the truth to go along with it, very humiliating and embarrassing. I bought a bib hardcore, and it was just to painful, I have a [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]size genetics[/words] but I don't have enough time for it, so I finally bought the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]length master[/words] thinking it would be the end of my search after all the great reviews. I was so happy when it arrived yesterday, tried it out and I didn't have nearly the same experience as any of the other users. there was tremendous pressure on the head like it was the only thing keeping it on( and I don't see how its possible for the glans not to take all of the pressure from a mechanical and anatomical perspective), I have always been in a depression because of my size my whole life, distant from everyone and antisocial, but then when I found out about PE I thought I was saved, but now that I have every major length tool on the market and still no progress I've been getting increasingly more depressed after each tool I buy. NOW the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]length master[/words] too !?!?! I've been waiting years for it, and its the same story. I don't know how, but size really interferes with every part of my life, and its really held me back I know it shouldn't have, but it has. I guess its because almost everything refers back to sex some how. I cant say I haven't thought about just ending it all. and I'm rather short, that doesn't help either, it actually makes it worse, because women assume I'll be smaller in size, but then they're right.
youknowme123321, I don't know if you're saying your selling the idea or the wrap, but I don't have any intentions on gaining from either financially, and I wouldn't try to. honestly I really only care about gaining length. I don't have much money, but I will pay you if you could give me information on how you wrap. if you are up for it we can PM each other and discuss it. I've tried every wrap known in the PE world [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words], PEGYM, THUNDERS, BETTERMAN, PEFORUM et al. the bib works but its too much time and pain to get through a decent session.
sorry for the novel guys, but I'm really in a bad place with this stuff right now.
 
smerc;594284 said:
A. If your wrap is something you designed, like w/ products you made and everything. Then I could see your frustration w/ wanting to share it or just being asked to.

B. However, if it's a method/tactic of use w/ products that were given to you w/ the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words], then it's a stingy stance to take to not want to openly divulge information on that. The same can be said w/ any wraps purchased online.


I'm just trying to put out the different point of views here. If you don't want to share something, that's all you. You have every right to share what you want or don't want to.

I will say though, if it's anything like "B.", then you're going to have a hard time wrapping it up as a product for sale. It would need to be more like an ebook if it's comprised of products that are easily obtainable online.

It would be ridiculous if it were just wrapping materials that came with the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words] or were readily known for being used to create a successful wrap lol. It does involve an [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]ACE bandage[/words] that can be seen in my pics and videos but beneath that is where the design is happening. One of the materials can be easily purchased online or in specialty type stores but only in large sizes that have to be cut down to size. And then another material i found that I haven't found online yet but can pick up at one local store. Just not for wholesale price :(. My wrap is very good but still working to make it even better as well as find a manufacturer where I can get these materials sized and wholesale. I have another idea to add to it that was inspired by a yoga product that may replace the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]ACE bandage[/words] forever!!!

smerc;594284 said:
Don't really see what the issue is on the wrap. There are a lot of wrap techniques online if someone didn't want to pay for information on one.

Exactly. Just as I have and am currently doing you just have to play around. I have bought so many different fabrics that didn't come close to working. Some wraps that people come up with that work great for themselves won't work for some people. I hate the theraband wrap...it causes a lot of pain for me but DLD has hung 50 lbs with it!!!! I wish it worked for me lol

Thanks for your reasonable outsider perspective Smerc.

In the end I hope it is a wrap that works for everybody b/c of it's great comfort and to be able to sell these items together for the same price they would purchase them if they were able to go out and order them all from separate sources or actually be able to find them in stores as well as avoid having to resize and shape any of the materials. Also to have in depth videos on applying the wrap.
 
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youknowme123321;594273 said:
Did DLD give out the design for any of his PE equipment that he sells before he started selling them. The answer is no.You expect people to do as you feel they should without any thought to their time or what it may bring in the future to the brotherhood.

This is my project just like the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PA[/words] and [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words] were DLD's projects. Do you feel DLD should share everything he is working on right now that he hopes will be good enough to share and sell or not sell in the future? Or can he keep working on whatever he may be working on and share for free or profit it when he is ready to do so? I look forward to your answers on that.

Again looking forward to your response about what DLD, or anyone for that matter who designs and sells PE tools, should do when designing something because according to you we are all selfish and don't support the brotherhood because we go out and put in time to improve the brotherhood whether it is something that may make us financial gains or not

was really hoping you would have a response to this. Not surprised that you don't of course. I am trying to do like DLD and others have done in the past with their innovative ideas that have turned into very beneficial information and/or products for the PE world.
 
obi1;594287 said:
hey guys I didn't mean to start any trouble, I just desperately needed a new wrap idea. I need length really bad. I've been self conscious about my size since I was a kid. all the men in my family are well above average, and they would tease me, and even pants me in public. not to mention the "your size is fine" phrase from women, and the dishonest facial expression like they're holding back the truth to go along with it, very humiliating and embarrassing. I bought a bib hardcore, and it was just to painful, I have a [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]size genetics[/words] but I don't have enough time for it, so I finally bought the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]length master[/words] thinking it would be the end of my search after all the great reviews. I was so happy when it arrived yesterday, tried it out and I didn't have nearly the same experience as any of the other users. there was tremendous pressure on the head like it was the only thing keeping it on( and I don't see how its possible for the glans not to take all of the pressure from a mechanical and anatomical perspective), I have always been in a depression because of my size my whole life, distant from everyone and antisocial, but then when I found out about PE I thought I was saved, but now that I have every major length tool on the market and still no progress I've been getting increasingly more depressed after each tool I buy. NOW the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]length master[/words] too !?!?! I've been waiting years for it, and its the same story. I don't know how, but size really interferes with every part of my life, and its really held me back I know it shouldn't have, but it has. I guess its because almost everything refers back to sex some how. I cant say I haven't thought about just ending it all. and I'm rather short, that doesn't help either, it actually makes it worse, because women assume I'll be smaller in size, but then they're right.
youknowme123321, I don't know if you're saying your selling the idea or the wrap, but I don't have any intentions on gaining from either financially, and I wouldn't try to. honestly I really only care about gaining length. I don't have much money, but I will pay you if you could give me information on how you wrap. if you are up for it we can PM each other and discuss it. I've tried every wrap known in the PE world [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words], PEGYM, THUNDERS, BETTERMAN, PEFORUM et al. the bib works but its too much time and pain to get through a decent session.
sorry for the novel guys, but I'm really in a bad place with this stuff right now.

What wrapping materials do you have? Sometimes I get pain around my glans as well. Especially when I increase intensity and weight whether hanging or stretching. I build up slowly so the discomfort isn't bad..i can just feel it and my cock then gets used to it and adapts and I increase intensity/weight and do it all over again. Just have to take it slowly.

i'd be willing to skype with you in the future and see if we can get you wrapping with greater comfort using materials you already have.
 
youknowme123321;594290 said:
What wrapping materials do you have? Sometimes I get pain around my glans as well. Especially when I increase intensity and weight whether hanging or stretching. I build up slowly so the discomfort isn't bad..i can just feel it and my cock then gets used to it and adapts and I increase intensity/weight and do it all over again. Just have to take it slowly.

i'd be willing to skype with you in the future and see if we can get you wrapping with greater comfort using materials you already have.

ok thanks, I have all the basics. [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]ace[/words] wrap, self stick [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]ace[/words] wrap, silicone sleeves, [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]vlc[/words]-tugger, sweatshirt/t-shirt material, and I'm sure I can get anything else I need.

can you pull as hard as you want with your wrap technique? when do you think you will post your method? and would you sell the method, or sell the materials to wrap with or both?
 
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obi1;594292 said:
ok thanks, I have all the basics. [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]ace[/words] wrap, self stick [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]ace[/words] wrap, silicone sleeves, [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]vlc[/words]-tugger, sweatshirt/t-shirt material, and I'm sure I can get anything else I need.

can you pull as hard as you want with your wrap technique? when do you think you will post your method? and would you sell the method, or sell the materials to wrap with or both?

No i dont pull as hard as I can when using the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words] for manual stretches...that would really hurt. Right now I have worked my way up to hanging with 17.5 lbs. At one time I was hanging with 23 lbs with my SNAKEHANGER but have to build back up to that. I started hanging with 5 lbs. Then as my cock adapted and my wrap got better weight began to increase.

Wow the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words] [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tugger[/words] didnt work for you??? i was thinking about getting that

Not sure about when my wrap will be done and then when selling it will take place.I have my own main business which takes up a lot of time so doing this on the side.
 
youknowme123321;594293 said:
No i dont pull as hard as I can when using the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words] for manual stretches...that would really hurt. Right now I have worked my way up to hanging with 17.5 lbs. At one time I was hanging with 23 lbs with my SNAKEHANGER but have to build back up to that. I started hanging with 5 lbs. Then as my cock adapted and my wrap got better weight began to increase.

Wow the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words] [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tugger[/words] didnt work for you??? i was thinking about getting that

Not sure about when my wrap will be done and then when selling it will take place.I have my own main business which takes up a lot of time so doing this on the side.

ok, I see. the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]vlc[/words] [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tugger[/words] its ok but its still slips after a certain amount of force.
 
obi1;594294 said:
ok, I see. the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]vlc[/words] [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tugger[/words] its ok but its still slips after a certain amount of force.

Do you think you have just been using to much force at first and not allowing your cock to adapt?
 
obi1;594294 said:
ok, I see. the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]vlc[/words] [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tugger[/words] its ok but its still slips after a certain amount of force.

Going with a tighter fit will avoid this more but if it gets to the point you need more intensity than the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words] can give the Velcro Strap Modification may be in order.
 
obi1

do any better since yesterday with your wrapping? It seems you may have just been using to much force when you cock hasn't been conditioned yet. everyone works up to great force whether with manual stretching or hanging
 
What is your wrap idea youknowme? help some guys out struggling with grip in the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]length master[/words] especially the old model
 
obi1;594287 said:
hey guys I didn't mean to start any trouble, I just desperately needed a new wrap idea. I need length really bad. I've been self conscious about my size since I was a kid. all the men in my family are well above average, and they would tease me, and even pants me in public. not to mention the "your size is fine" phrase from women, and the dishonest facial expression like they're holding back the truth to go along with it, very humiliating and embarrassing. I bought a bib hardcore, and it was just to painful, I have a [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]size genetics[/words] but I don't have enough time for it, so I finally bought the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]length master[/words] thinking it would be the end of my search after all the great reviews. I was so happy when it arrived yesterday, tried it out and I didn't have nearly the same experience as any of the other users. there was tremendous pressure on the head like it was the only thing keeping it on( and I don't see how its possible for the glans not to take all of the pressure from a mechanical and anatomical perspective), I have always been in a depression because of my size my whole life, distant from everyone and antisocial, but then when I found out about PE I thought I was saved, but now that I have every major length tool on the market and still no progress I've been getting increasingly more depressed after each tool I buy. NOW the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]length master[/words] too !?!?! I've been waiting years for it, and its the same story. I don't know how, but size really interferes with every part of my life, and its really held me back I know it shouldn't have, but it has. I guess its because almost everything refers back to sex some how. I cant say I haven't thought about just ending it all. and I'm rather short, that doesn't help either, it actually makes it worse, because women assume I'll be smaller in size, but then they're right.
youknowme123321, I don't know if you're saying your selling the idea or the wrap, but I don't have any intentions on gaining from either financially, and I wouldn't try to. honestly I really only care about gaining length. I don't have much money, but I will pay you if you could give me information on how you wrap. if you are up for it we can PM each other and discuss it. I've tried every wrap known in the PE world [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words], PEGYM, THUNDERS, BETTERMAN, PEFORUM et al. the bib works but its too much time and pain to get through a decent session.
sorry for the novel guys, but I'm really in a bad place with this stuff right now.

I just added a half inch in stretched length using my [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] by adding the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]ACE bandage[/words] over one of the wrapping materials i use in my wrap and it is 10x more comfortable at the same time. below in the video you can see the material...it is black. I added the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]ACE bandage[/words] over this and I feel as happy as i did the first time I tried the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words]. Let's talk and see what we can work out to at least get you extending comfortable to start. I am waiting on some material that I am hoping will make the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words] this comfortable and once i work on that we can talk about that. BUt send me a private message sometime and we will go from there.

editing this post obi1.... i measure and i had actually added 3/4'' to my [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] stretch. felt great at first but became very intense and uncomfortable quickly. So i reduced it down to 1/4'' over my usual extended state and that felt great continuously. when i was stretched out to 3/4'' further i started to get numbness in my head after being extended out for 30 mins.

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