Has there been anyone that has tried Penis Enlargement and done it correctly for a long time and seen no gains? Does genetics or the way my body already is have any effect on how much I can gain? I heard people talking about LOT and Im not sure what that is. Does it effect how well certain people gain?
Is it possible for some people to just never gain?
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little penis said:
I think so, at least there has been plenty of people in various forums that claim to never have gained. Of course, among those who have worked hard and consistently there seems to be more of those who have gained, even if it might not be massive gains. (1/2" might not sound like much but it makes a huge difference.)
little penis said:
I'm sure it does. Some people have an upset collagen/elastin ratio which will make ligament stretching harder but never let that limit you. Think mind over matter and perform the work. It's not like you can actively modify your genetic limitations so just work without giving them much thought.
little penis said:
I never liked LOT because I don't agree with the physical explanation for the phenomenon of "tugback" and the fanatical pundits it has brought out. I think there's always room for ligament gain. And once you hear DLD talk about always stretching the ligs despite his low LOT...
There are some who claim to never gain, but it is hard to judge since you are the only one pulling your dick. Do manual stretching length work every day. Be consistent. Do this for months. If you still have not gained, you may need to use weights or the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]power assist[/words] to up the intensity.
I credit a lot of Penis Enlargement to determination and belief. I've read about guys who "gave it a shot" and got no gains. Like Yoda says, "Do not try. Do." I went into Penis Enlargement knowing I was going to gain. When I think a project is worth my effort, I KNOW it will work or I don't attempt. I have had modest gains, but I consider myself a hard gainer. An inch and a half length and an inch and a quarter in girth cemented over the years has been worth it to me.
Guys like Bib and DLD are among the "lucky" if you want to call them that, who have gained greatly. But I'll be the first to admit, I haven't put in near the work or effert those guys have. If I had, maybe I'd be 12 inches by now, but who knows?
Genetics plays a role, but to a limit. Not all bodybuilders have the genetics to be Mr. Olympia, but they sure as hell can gain some serious muscle if they bust their ass and eat right.
IMHO, if you honestly believe in your mind that you WILL gain, work very hard at Penis Enlargement, eat right and exercise, keep your body fat as low as possible, you will see gains. If it's only a half inch in flaccid length, that can be huge mentally. That first gain shows you that it WILL work, and use that knowledge to your advantage.
And change your user name. It's mental. Think you have a little penis? Guess what? You do. Think you have a big penis (or at least one that is big enough to pleasure your lover) and guess what? You do.
Think and grow big.
Guys like Bib and DLD are among the "lucky" if you want to call them that, who have gained greatly. But I'll be the first to admit, I haven't put in near the work or effert those guys have. If I had, maybe I'd be 12 inches by now, but who knows?
Genetics plays a role, but to a limit. Not all bodybuilders have the genetics to be Mr. Olympia, but they sure as hell can gain some serious muscle if they bust their ass and eat right.
IMHO, if you honestly believe in your mind that you WILL gain, work very hard at Penis Enlargement, eat right and exercise, keep your body fat as low as possible, you will see gains. If it's only a half inch in flaccid length, that can be huge mentally. That first gain shows you that it WILL work, and use that knowledge to your advantage.
And change your user name. It's mental. Think you have a little penis? Guess what? You do. Think you have a big penis (or at least one that is big enough to pleasure your lover) and guess what? You do.
Think and grow big.
philadelph said:
Very true. I have worked with many non gainers who swear that they are doing everything right but after we spend some time looking closely at their routine, intensity, beliefs or psychological position we can find where they are lacking. Penis Enlargement is a balance of the mind and body and even the smallest most insignificant detail can make a monumental difference when trying to critique someone's program.
I believe everyone can gain.
rofl i feel yaaares said:That was beautiful dld...man I love you.
Think anybody that does pe in a way will gain. Some with dramatic size and some not. I have done basically the simplest routine in my year of pe and have made satifactory gains (in my eye's). Some people on here have pe'd for multiple years and made big gains while others have pe'd for a year and made great gains genetics plays a part in this process but only as ruler size matters. anybody should be able to make gains in some sort of way.
Its really hard to believe something without seeing it (for me anyway) but I got some red spots today and instead of being scared I was like, damn, somethin must be stretchin down there, guess it will just take some time.
I've only been at it a few days, and I think after my first gain it will really give me a boost in every aspect you mentioned of my routine.
Great advice from everyone, thanks guys.
I've only been at it a few days, and I think after my first gain it will really give me a boost in every aspect you mentioned of my routine.
Great advice from everyone, thanks guys.
Yes. I do believe some folks can't gain. Atleast the force needed to apply growth is past the pain/injury threshold. Some guys have had good routines and hanged very heavy (talkin' 35+ pounds), and after (in some cases years) gained nothing but extra skin. They exist...
Ulcasterdropout said:
I remember Falcon (he occasionally visits here, but mostly posts and moderates at the mens-network forums) telling me that he had been hanging insane amounts of weight without gaining anything but base girth. Prior to that, he had gained an inch BPenis EnlargementL with manual stretching, though, and when his gains slowed down, he decided to try hanging. I remember him saying it was like his ligs had become steel, and he just could't squeeze out an extra fraction of an inch no matter how much weight he used or how long he hanged.
I haven't been to the MN forums in a while, nor have I talked to him, so he may have gotten further gains by now, though.
Anyway, I do believe everyone can gain at least a little. There may be physiological factors that limit a man's gains to a degree that he is only able to gain a miniscule amount (elastin/collagen ratio gone bad, like ebon said) of length, and that man may also have an insanely tough tunica, preventing him from gaining much girth, but he can and will gain at least a little if he puts in a lot of determination and hard work. However, it should be considered whether it's worth investing months or years for such a tiny change in your penis. For some, it may be. Personally, I've found I can't make huge changes in my penis size, and I'm not going to ruin my life over it. As long as I get to my goal of 7.5" BPenis EnlargementL and 6" EG eventually (hell, I'll settle for 5.75" EG if things start to look tough), I won't complain. If I never do, then at least I gave it my best shot.
I believe it is important to try multiple ways to make your dick grow. One way will not work for everyone. I believe some peoples dicks will not respond to hanging heavy weights. In some it will make the ligs strengthen so fast and hinder gains for the long run. More and more I am starting to think that manual stretching along with light tension over time (which is medically proven) by using an [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] is the way to go.
Shafty said:
Dont take offense or anything but you should always keep the "can do" attitude.If not youve already defeated yourself as theres mental aspects to p.e as we all know.You should just work until you get what you want as far as gains go.No one quits at halftime bro rofl
poonologist said:
I had that attitude... and I lost it somewhere along the way when it didn't do shit for me. I've Penis Enlargement'd with a good attitude and I've Penis Enlargement'd with a negative one (still doing the same amount of work). I haven't gained much either way. There's a difference between being carefully pessimistic and realistic versus being outright self defeating and negative, just as there is a difference between megalomanic optimism and reasonable timetables that can be acheived. My first year of Penis Enlargementing I was going at it like a madman, all the while being 100% sure I'd be at least an inch bigger in both length and girth with the amount of work I was putting in. You can imagine how disappointed I was when I finally measured and I had barely gained at all.
I've noticed a trend here at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MoS[/words] that guys who make good gains have a hard time coming to grips with the reality that some guys just can't acheive the same gains with equal effort. It is ALWAYS chalked up to lack of motivation or a lack of the right mindset. At a certain point, however, you HAVE to take into consideration the possibility of you having less potential to gain than the next guy for whatever physiological reasons (tough tunica, bad collagen/elastin ratio, whatever). I mean, there are obvious physical differences in what type of gains guys get the easiest- some gain girth easy, yet struggle with length, while others gain length but not much girth. I don't hear anyone disputing that, or trying to write it off as being the result of poor motivation or whatnot. Why couldn't it be possible for some guys to truly have poor "penis genetics", i.e. that they struggle with gaining both girth AND length?
REDZULU2003
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Anyone can gain in pe, most of the battle is with the mind.
Once the mind is on the right track the rest comes easy.
Dedication, time, patience, consistency, intensity all play roles....but the mental chess game is the BIG factor. The mind affects the body, and with a negative mind the body wont perform positively, it will perform negatively. Anyone can gain....its in us all.
Once the mind is on the right track the rest comes easy.
Dedication, time, patience, consistency, intensity all play roles....but the mental chess game is the BIG factor. The mind affects the body, and with a negative mind the body wont perform positively, it will perform negatively. Anyone can gain....its in us all.
Shafty you make alot of valid points.But if youre going at a workout with any mindset at all its gotta be positive or you can expect to get negative results.I know saying thats easy if im not in your position.I have alot of experience with negativity and pessimism in my life and i can tell nothing good has ever came from it for me.As a matter of fact once you get into that rut it takes a herculean effort and quite an investment time and money wise to snap out of it(in my case and many others).
I think as Red says that anyone can gain but not on the same timeframe as others.Some can almost just think about gaining and a month later have half an inch.Others work for a year real hard and get a quarter of an inch gain.But i do believe just about anyone should be able to gain if they really want it.
I think as Red says that anyone can gain but not on the same timeframe as others.Some can almost just think about gaining and a month later have half an inch.Others work for a year real hard and get a quarter of an inch gain.But i do believe just about anyone should be able to gain if they really want it.
Shafty said:
Like I posted above, no one has the same genetics nor "potential" to achieve great gains. I know guys that have sweated their asses off a gyms for years and eat very clean diets, and you barely notice. I also know others the same age whose metabolism and genetics are such that they can eat crap and hardly work out three times a week and look like Greek gods.
Same with Penis Enlargement. That's why I think guys are making a big mistake by sticking with one routine even if they're not getting gains. I've always changed up my routine to keep my unit "shocked" and not knowing what to expect next. That what causes growth. If the dude hanging for years would try something new for a change, I'd bet he'd see some gains. I can jelq exclusively for months and get to the point where there's not even a temporary gain, it gets used to the routine and adapts to it. Then I clamp for 30 minutes and get huge temporary gains (leading to permanent gains) because my body was not used to clamping.
A while back, we used to do "shock sessions" where we take off a few days, then do one Penis Enlargement session (mostly stretches and jelqs) that would last for hours and hours, one guys did a 7 hour session, then take off about a week. Our temporary gains were incredible, with some guys getting temp gains of an inch in length and 2 inches in girth. We concluded that if we only did shock sessions like twice a month, we might see permanent gains quicker.
My point is, we gain from different exercises and we all gain differently. Don't get stuck in rut and wonder why you've plateaued.
Penis Enlargement - masturbation with a purpose.
Nice point WoodieLong
I use a bib starter with Dashdeming's "hardcore" hanging routine found here:
http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4778
I have only been using it for a couple weeks but I think I will see some great gains out of this routine. As you can see in my sig I'm not a fast gainer but I know that I can gain. I don't see how you can keep from gaining if you use enough time and weight while hanging. I'm up to 26 pounds per set now and next week I'll up it to two sets of 26 pounds instead of one set per night. What's cool is that I can actually feel my ligs stretching out during my sets because I can barely start out the set with 26 pounds because it is stretching so hard. After about 10 minutes I can stretch to about 28 pounds comfortably and I could probably go higher but I don't want to push it just yet. Hopefully weight will be the key for me because hanging for 4 hours per day sucks and it is damn near impossible for me to do. I believe that if you pull on it hard enough, it will get longer. Ligs can't be like steel, they have to give out and stretch at some point, as does the rest of the penis. You just have to get your soft tissue conditioned to withstand the higher weights first. With enough stress, ligs in the legs can be stretched or injured so don't tell me that your penis ligs are stronger than the ligs in your legs, lol.
http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4778
I have only been using it for a couple weeks but I think I will see some great gains out of this routine. As you can see in my sig I'm not a fast gainer but I know that I can gain. I don't see how you can keep from gaining if you use enough time and weight while hanging. I'm up to 26 pounds per set now and next week I'll up it to two sets of 26 pounds instead of one set per night. What's cool is that I can actually feel my ligs stretching out during my sets because I can barely start out the set with 26 pounds because it is stretching so hard. After about 10 minutes I can stretch to about 28 pounds comfortably and I could probably go higher but I don't want to push it just yet. Hopefully weight will be the key for me because hanging for 4 hours per day sucks and it is damn near impossible for me to do. I believe that if you pull on it hard enough, it will get longer. Ligs can't be like steel, they have to give out and stretch at some point, as does the rest of the penis. You just have to get your soft tissue conditioned to withstand the higher weights first. With enough stress, ligs in the legs can be stretched or injured so don't tell me that your penis ligs are stronger than the ligs in your legs, lol.
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little penis said:
Yes, I was into Penis Enlargement for quite a while, when I finally realised this didn't work for me I decided I wasn't to waste any more time on it, but to still stick around on the forums especially as there is now a foreskin restoration sub forum!!
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little penis said:
I truely belive everone can gain, look at my signature!"
I truely belive if you arnt gaining you should try harder/ pull harder, make your workouts longer/ jelq for longer and belive!!
Its not rocket science and it works!!
REDZULU2003
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Everyone can gain, its a matter of time.
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jkisineffect
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no one has brought up the age factor?? is there an IDEAL age to gain??
im 32 , and i have not stuck with the program - im just scared
that time is running out-- i am staring at 40 OUCH!! LOL
any advice on not gaining due to age?
im 32 , and i have not stuck with the program - im just scared
that time is running out-- i am staring at 40 OUCH!! LOL
any advice on not gaining due to age?
jkisineffect said:
Age has nothing to do with it. In fact some of the best gainers are a bit older, and they tend to regain size that they had in thier youth quickly. By the time you are 40 you could be the size of a donkey if you wanted!
There's not enough science on the matter either way. You can say that anyone can gain, but you don't really know.
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philadelph said:
That statement is bland, and not backed up by any science. The younger you are the faster your cells will replicate, this is a simple fact, and be it Penis Enlargement, FR or Muscle training they all involve breaking down cells and tissue so if you are younger these cells will re generate quicker than an older person.
REDZULU2003
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From my expertise in pe, guys of whatever age seem to gain alright if they follow a routine which is done reguler.
I have helped guys that are 18 get gains and also one guy whom was in his early sixties gain.
I understand EXACTLY what the executioner has said and it makes sense.
But Penis Enlargement seems to make exceptions, if you work hard and do a good routine than you will gain no matter how old you are.
Health and lifestyle might have roles to play?
Its very hard to really call this IMHO from my standpoint.
You have younger males whom are in puberty, these people are PRIME Penis Enlargement material and will fuckin gain really really well if they did a godo routine and with consistency...its proven by cultures across the world who do that as a culture thing, tribal thing, whatever.
Yet we have older males, middle aged males whom gain really well.
There will be some variables in there somewhere that cause this.
Maybe the older males who gain well are actually lucky, and blessed with good hormones levels that Penis Enlargement loves?
Who knows, its a very good discussion.
I have helped guys that are 18 get gains and also one guy whom was in his early sixties gain.
I understand EXACTLY what the executioner has said and it makes sense.
But Penis Enlargement seems to make exceptions, if you work hard and do a good routine than you will gain no matter how old you are.
Health and lifestyle might have roles to play?
Its very hard to really call this IMHO from my standpoint.
You have younger males whom are in puberty, these people are PRIME Penis Enlargement material and will fuckin gain really really well if they did a godo routine and with consistency...its proven by cultures across the world who do that as a culture thing, tribal thing, whatever.
Yet we have older males, middle aged males whom gain really well.
There will be some variables in there somewhere that cause this.
Maybe the older males who gain well are actually lucky, and blessed with good hormones levels that Penis Enlargement loves?
Who knows, its a very good discussion.
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TheExecutioner
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Yes RED I get what you are saying on this. Everyone is an individual and no general rule set will apply to all but on the whole I can bet the younger a person is (on average) will gain a hell of a lot better or have more gain potential or even quicker than that of an older person. As you say so yourself those going through puberty have a high chance as hell for great gains. Well this would also apply here too, as the younger a person is the more hormonal activity they have going on, than that of an older person does.
TheExecutioner said:
You guys are assuming way too much, like that Penis Enlargement has anything to do with hormonal levels.
DHT causes the phallus to develop at puberty, after that, the tissue is resistant to change via androgens.
Some people have speculated that older guys can gain more, via ligament stretching, because they DON'T heal as fast.
However, this is all speculation, and until the scientific community takes a serious look at Penis Enlargement that is all it will ever be.
REDZULU2003
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lol well if your going to go down the Scientific route, than all Penis Enlargement is assumption.
The theorys we use, they aint supported by Science ATM anyways.
Any that are, aint supported fully.
My assumption on this topic stands.
The theorys we use, they aint supported by Science ATM anyways.
Any that are, aint supported fully.
My assumption on this topic stands.
I believe that you have to be highly sexual type of person.Take DLD as an example!His first year he gained 3 inches EL,but he was all into that,man he pulled his dick when he was driving a car!!!After a workout he mostly all the time(every day) had sex with his lady,performed with Viagra for more than ,as he said , 45 mins.His workouts were done at high erection level while watching some hard adult entertainment alongside.Man,hundreds of jelqs,getting up at 6:00 to do some kegels,thats what i call insane!!!I my self have seen some mayor gains when i was like"i am gonna gain an inch EG in 6 months" type of mood.I thought monly about my next session,and what will i do,which exercises,for how long,how much...,and of course i was looking pics of hot ladys on my PC during the most of my day,imagining some deep penetration into them.I want to add that alongside with this i had a girl for couple of months and had sex with her,so i realy gained something like 0.6 EG in 4 or 5 months!After that period,my workouts were done without some real motivation,but still done,and for about the same period i gained a lot less than that.
You have to at least have balls, the other thing that is less important to a woman, but more important to the family tree in my opinion. so work hard for it and there is no way you cant gain. I am a guitar player, I play shows forto make money or at least like to try too. Anyways, my left fingers are way longer, up to 3/4 of an inch longer because over time I did so many pull offs(I play lead solo guitar 8 hours a day, sometimes more or less) Anthropology is interesting and I am trying to see how it relates to penis size. I can pick out lots of races and see how certain races seem to be larger, scottish/pictish and hungarian seem to be large, scandinavians are often small, since well they developed in freezing climates and they certainly didnt need a huge dick gettintg frostbite like their legs often did. If you had no shelter for one night, or even during some dayd in finland you would die. Sorry for the babble just havent been on for a while
congrats on the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/mosdvd.htm]dvd[/words] too
but just try as hard as y9ou can and you should GAIN>.
Funny though I am scandinaivian and scottish so I got a balanced out.
congrats on the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/mosdvd.htm]dvd[/words] too
but just try as hard as y9ou can and you should GAIN>.
Funny though I am scandinaivian and scottish so I got a balanced out.
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I've only been with Penis Enlargement for about a month and made small gains but I think if it does have any age factor it would be easier because I am only 16.
Not that it probably does have an age factor. Gains will come to anybody who works for them
Not that it probably does have an age factor. Gains will come to anybody who works for them
REDZULU2003
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AcesHigh said:
I share the same interest, the whole countrys and penis size debate.
Not really the WhiteVSblackVSAsian shit, but the WHOLE nations of the world...the penis sizes in each, compared and seeing which is the largest.
So the Scots having large cocks, I have that blood anyway lol how about the Irish, Welsh and Enlgish than?
I have been doing this for 7 years. With never more than a month or two off at a time. I belonged to Big-Penis, was active in Thunders, moved to [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words]. I have used the [words=https://track.moreniche.com/hit.php?w=113512&s=1220]JES[/words] [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words], BIB hanger, pump, Power Jelq, took VigRx, Enzyte, Zinc, multiple supps.
My progress with disciplined dedication over 7 years = ZERO. Not 1/16" in girth or length. Now believe it or not, I still try. But this is rediculous.
I would love to see some result for my effort. So when you talk about gains, if I got 1/2" in length and girth I would feel completely satisfied. If I got to 1", I would meet my goals.
My progress with disciplined dedication over 7 years = ZERO. Not 1/16" in girth or length. Now believe it or not, I still try. But this is rediculous.
I would love to see some result for my effort. So when you talk about gains, if I got 1/2" in length and girth I would feel completely satisfied. If I got to 1", I would meet my goals.
i agree with philadelph. gains will only really come from working hard. i played around with Penis Enlargement for a while about a year ago and gained nothing. why?. because i didnt work hard. now im working, and gaining. coincidence?
insearchof9inch said:
Excellent point! Penis Enlargement would be awesome if we could stretch every now and again and presto! 8 x 6! It would also be bitter sweet as every guy would be hung like a bull. So there is a definite work and reward factor.
Aside from the hard work people also need to consider the physiology of Penis Enlargement. Lengthening and thickening a body part is a huge feat in itself. It is kind of like a beautiful arc in a massive piece of oak, the kind you see in churches. This is an amazing and bewildering thing to see but someone actually put in the time and effort to make it happen. It almost seems impossible when you see these magnificent pieces of wood but all things are possible if we so desire.
amen.
See, I hear that and my first reaction is "That's what i'm doing". I think I'm maxing out. However, I can accept that my capacity is actually larger than I think it is. All I can go by is what feels like max to me. We talk factually on here like do this, move there, spend this much time; but what is really hard is to get a feel for intensity levels.
I will post my current routine tomorrow. And I will include qualitative descriptions. Hopefully someone's comments will stike a chord and will give me the key insight I have been lacking all these years.
Thanks
I will post my current routine tomorrow. And I will include qualitative descriptions. Hopefully someone's comments will stike a chord and will give me the key insight I have been lacking all these years.
Thanks