ok stick with me here. Most bodybuilders im sure you all know use Human Growth Hormone to increase muscle size. What it does is NOT increase the size of the fibers like steroids do, but increases the CELLS in the muscle. More cells = bigger muscles, and the gains are SUPPOSEDLY permanent. There has been evidence that HGH also increases cells in all other bodyparts as well (heart, intestines, etc..) where one evidence is GH gut. Thats where the stomach sticks out a lot because the internal organs in thearea increased in size due to stimulation. The muscles are stimulated by lifting, so they increase in cell count, the internal organs increase due to the excessive amounts of food we consume, some get GH gut some dont. All depends on you. I was wondering if you stimulate the penis like we all practice here already, if GH would enhance the speed and quality of your gains? I.E. Increase cells in the penis and make it bigger. What do you think?
HGH and PE??
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I know testesterone and DHT are responsible for muscle development as well as penile development. So if HGH indeed was found to increase muscles then it could work for Penis Enlargement also!!
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have you been taking HGH or come across people who took it? Any long term side effects of HGH you know of?
"8isn'tenough" is trying out the experiment here with GABA (which indirectly raises up HGH).
Here's the link
http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1352&perpage=20&pagenumber=1
BTW,
have you been taking HGH or come across people who took it? Any long term side effects of HGH you know of?
"8isn'tenough" is trying out the experiment here with GABA (which indirectly raises up HGH).
Here's the link
http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1352&perpage=20&pagenumber=1
HGH effects cell turnover rates in type 1 collagen and this is the material that makes up the tunica. But, there are no claims that HGH will increase penis size at all, only speculation. HGH is expensive but if you have the means to do it, I would say go ahead.
Someone actually attempting this would answer many questions that I have about if collagen production is good for Penis Enlargement. I once thought of using GH along with an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] to see if this excellerated growth.
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Someone actually attempting this would answer many questions that I have about if collagen production is good for Penis Enlargement. I once thought of using GH along with an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] to see if this excellerated growth.
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Being froma non biology background I'm curious about this. The difference between cancer and healing! Healing stops when the cell damage has been repaired, while cancer doesn't stop? So lets say HGH stimulates cell production. Does this mean that HGH binding to the cell receptors triggers some genetic transcription which tells the cell to multiply? This means that blood level of HGH is the determining factor for cell multiplication & cells will continue to increase as far as there is sufficient level of HGH.
Or, does HGH work like wound healing? That would be similar to [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words] where cells multiply in response to continuous tensile stress? And this is triggered by micro cracks (wounds) and is similar to the process of wound healing. In this case HGH might lead to increased cell count only in the affected areas.
Is it possible that %HGH in blood increases and it just flows without triggering cell growth anywhere in the body? In that case cells are totally unresponsive to HGH?
Or, does HGH work like wound healing? That would be similar to [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words] where cells multiply in response to continuous tensile stress? And this is triggered by micro cracks (wounds) and is similar to the process of wound healing. In this case HGH might lead to increased cell count only in the affected areas.
Is it possible that %HGH in blood increases and it just flows without triggering cell growth anywhere in the body? In that case cells are totally unresponsive to HGH?
A very complicated answer is coming on this one. I'm going to need to quote more than one reference site. Although, I do understand somewhat what the purpose of GH is, explaining that your organs aren't going to continue to grow forever will be difficult. Look up mRNA for a better understand on how the body mediates growth. HGH effects cell turnover rates as an adult more than causing some type of uncontrollable hyperplasia as seen in cancer patients.
I will answer your question after I find exact reference sites to pull from.
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I will answer your question after I find exact reference sites to pull from.
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Human Growth Hormone (Hgh) is a protein hormone of 191 amino acids that is synthesized and secreted by cells called somatrophs in the anterior pituitary gland. Human Growth Hormone is like estrogen, testosterone, progesterone, melotonin , or DHEA - one of many endocrine hormones that decline with age. Totally unique to Human Growth Hormone is the fact that even though its secretion declines with age, the body still produces the same amount of hgh as someone in their 20's. The problem lies in releasing human growth hormone from the aging pituitary cells.
Many of the bodies' hormones can be replaced with supplements to deter some of the effects of aging. But Hgh goes far beyond their scope - not only can hgh prevent biological aging, but it REVERSES a wide range of the aging process/s signs and symptoms. Human growth hormone has been scientifically shown to be able to turn back the biological clock as much as 20 years!
Human growth hormone is the most abundant hormone secreted by the pituitary gland, a process that peaks during adolescence. Gradually Hgh Human Growth Hormone secretion diminishes with age. Starting in the 20's, Hgh hormone secretion declines about 14% a decade, by 60 you only secrete 25% as much Hgh as the average 20 year old. This human growth hormone reduction, greatly contributes to the acceleration of the aging process.
How does declining Hgh effect our mind and body?
Hgh declines with age and is directly associated with many of the symptoms of aging, including: cardiovascular disease, increased body fat, osteoporosis, wrinkling, gray hair, decreased energy, reduced sexual function, impaired physical performance (muscle tone and strength), psychosocial deficits, poor sleep and others. Many of these hgh deficiency symptoms have also been found in younger adults who have hormone deficiency.
Most importantly, recent medical research has clearly demonstrated that by increasing growth hormone production, we can significantly eliminate the above symptoms, reversing the biological effects of aging and reduce body fat, increase lean muscle mass, strengthen the immune system, improve sexual performance, lower blood pressure, lower cholesterol, restore hair color and growth, increase bone tissue, strengthen the heart and increase energy.
In reviewing the benefits of human growth hormone above, it is hard to believe that Human Growth Hormone Therapy could have so many benefits. However, as you examine medical research over the last 10 years that looks into Hgh and the various bodily systems, then you are sure to understand why hgh human growth hormone therapy has been hailed as the modern day fountain of youth.
How does Human Growth Hormone Function in the body?
Hgh cycles
A key component is hgh cycles. It is important to know that hgh cycles throughout the day. As hgh cycles it is primarily released in a pulsating fashion, with serum concentrations generally lowest in the early morning and highest overnight during sleep stages III and IV. Human Growth Hormone is quickly converted by the liver into IGF-1 (also referred to as growth promoting metabolite somatomedin C), and then circulated throughout the body. IGF-1 is the factor that is measured in the blood in order to determine the level of human growth hormone secretion.
A critical concept in understanding human growth hormone deficiency is that it has two distinct types of effects:
Direct Effects are the result of human growth hormones binding its receptors on target cells. Fat cells for example, have growth hormone receptors, and growth hormone stimulates them to break down triglycerides and suppresses their ability to take up and accumulate circulating lipids.
Indirect Effects are mediated primarily by Insulin-like Growth Factor (IGF-1), a hormone that is secreted from the liver and other tissues in response to human growth hormones. A majority of the effects of human growth hormones is actually due to IGF-1 acting on target cells.
Recent hgh research has revealed that the aging pituitary cells can still secrete as much growth hormones as someone in their 20's if they are adequately stimulated. This astounding discovery is the basis of homeopathic Hgh releasers and Hgh releaser supplements, and the second type of prescription hgh that is in the process of being developed. These alternative methods to Hgh prescription injections act to stimulate the pituitary to release the human growth hormone, which is actually still produced by our bodies as we age. These types of Hgh research therapies are not based on pumping the body up with synthetic Human Growth Hormone, but with releasing human growth hormone from its dormant state in the pituitary gland itself
The Human Growth Hormone exerts its effect by binding to a single-chain plasma transmembrane glycoprotien receptor. The highest concentration of hgh receptors are found in the liver, adipose tissue, heart, kidneys, intestine, lungs, pancreas, cartilage, and skeletal muscle. This may help to explain a lot of the incredible benefits associated with increasing human growth hormone secretion in the body. As Human Growth Hormone secretion increases all the above body parts are enhanced. Human growth hormone circulates bound to plasma proteins known as growth hormone binding proteins GHBP) At physiologic concentrations, approximately 50% of Hgh Growth Hormone is protein bound. Clearance occurs rapidly through the kidneys, liver, or target tissue, with an average half life of 10-20 minutes
Many of the bodies' hormones can be replaced with supplements to deter some of the effects of aging. But Hgh goes far beyond their scope - not only can hgh prevent biological aging, but it REVERSES a wide range of the aging process/s signs and symptoms. Human growth hormone has been scientifically shown to be able to turn back the biological clock as much as 20 years!
Human growth hormone is the most abundant hormone secreted by the pituitary gland, a process that peaks during adolescence. Gradually Hgh Human Growth Hormone secretion diminishes with age. Starting in the 20's, Hgh hormone secretion declines about 14% a decade, by 60 you only secrete 25% as much Hgh as the average 20 year old. This human growth hormone reduction, greatly contributes to the acceleration of the aging process.
How does declining Hgh effect our mind and body?
Hgh declines with age and is directly associated with many of the symptoms of aging, including: cardiovascular disease, increased body fat, osteoporosis, wrinkling, gray hair, decreased energy, reduced sexual function, impaired physical performance (muscle tone and strength), psychosocial deficits, poor sleep and others. Many of these hgh deficiency symptoms have also been found in younger adults who have hormone deficiency.
Most importantly, recent medical research has clearly demonstrated that by increasing growth hormone production, we can significantly eliminate the above symptoms, reversing the biological effects of aging and reduce body fat, increase lean muscle mass, strengthen the immune system, improve sexual performance, lower blood pressure, lower cholesterol, restore hair color and growth, increase bone tissue, strengthen the heart and increase energy.
In reviewing the benefits of human growth hormone above, it is hard to believe that Human Growth Hormone Therapy could have so many benefits. However, as you examine medical research over the last 10 years that looks into Hgh and the various bodily systems, then you are sure to understand why hgh human growth hormone therapy has been hailed as the modern day fountain of youth.
How does Human Growth Hormone Function in the body?
Hgh cycles
A key component is hgh cycles. It is important to know that hgh cycles throughout the day. As hgh cycles it is primarily released in a pulsating fashion, with serum concentrations generally lowest in the early morning and highest overnight during sleep stages III and IV. Human Growth Hormone is quickly converted by the liver into IGF-1 (also referred to as growth promoting metabolite somatomedin C), and then circulated throughout the body. IGF-1 is the factor that is measured in the blood in order to determine the level of human growth hormone secretion.
A critical concept in understanding human growth hormone deficiency is that it has two distinct types of effects:
Direct Effects are the result of human growth hormones binding its receptors on target cells. Fat cells for example, have growth hormone receptors, and growth hormone stimulates them to break down triglycerides and suppresses their ability to take up and accumulate circulating lipids.
Indirect Effects are mediated primarily by Insulin-like Growth Factor (IGF-1), a hormone that is secreted from the liver and other tissues in response to human growth hormones. A majority of the effects of human growth hormones is actually due to IGF-1 acting on target cells.
Recent hgh research has revealed that the aging pituitary cells can still secrete as much growth hormones as someone in their 20's if they are adequately stimulated. This astounding discovery is the basis of homeopathic Hgh releasers and Hgh releaser supplements, and the second type of prescription hgh that is in the process of being developed. These alternative methods to Hgh prescription injections act to stimulate the pituitary to release the human growth hormone, which is actually still produced by our bodies as we age. These types of Hgh research therapies are not based on pumping the body up with synthetic Human Growth Hormone, but with releasing human growth hormone from its dormant state in the pituitary gland itself
The Human Growth Hormone exerts its effect by binding to a single-chain plasma transmembrane glycoprotien receptor. The highest concentration of hgh receptors are found in the liver, adipose tissue, heart, kidneys, intestine, lungs, pancreas, cartilage, and skeletal muscle. This may help to explain a lot of the incredible benefits associated with increasing human growth hormone secretion in the body. As Human Growth Hormone secretion increases all the above body parts are enhanced. Human growth hormone circulates bound to plasma proteins known as growth hormone binding proteins GHBP) At physiologic concentrations, approximately 50% of Hgh Growth Hormone is protein bound. Clearance occurs rapidly through the kidneys, liver, or target tissue, with an average half life of 10-20 minutes
Whoa! Are you like a biochemist or operator of a meth lab in some dark trailer in the Midwest passing the time on by between shipments on a PC? You seem to know a lot about this chemical interaction stuff and the body.
I'm a junky!!!!!!! Actually, I'm in school for biochemistry right now.
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That's cool. At least you'll make some money of that kind of knowledge. Are you going to one of those four year schools or the post degree schools to get a PhD?
I'm going to UofL. 3 years left to go.
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Yeah biochem and biophysics is the most interesting fields right now. Seems like a totally unexplored/un understood field! Moreover the manmade field of computer science (my area) is going natural with stuff like genetic algoritHydromaxs, neural networks, complexity theory etc..
BTW I found this link on HGH used as a body building supplement. Interesting side effects. Their dosage of 4-6 iu is comparable to the 5 times increase of HGH from GABA (serum level HGH is about 1 iu). You mentioned fat loss. I guess it's because of insulin resistance leading to hypoglycamia. I think u'll feel drained out if you are out of glucose right? What other complications can come out of hypoglycamia? I only hope it doesn't increase heart, intestine & pancreas (bloating of gut) etc. But it is supposed to increase collagen tissue!
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=82384
If I were to tell you that Finasteride causes gyno then you would laugh at me because it has only shown to do so in .5 % of those taking it. Dutasteride is about 1% of those who take it. Testosterone supplementation is also 1-3% gyno. But, those who do not know this will be quick to say that something like Androgel will cause gyno while never even mentioning Finasteride or Dutasteride. This is the trap we all fall in.
So, the Atkins diet can also cause hypoglycemia.
Yes, you may have low blood sugar from using HGH. You can increase your carb intake and this will rectify the situation.
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So, the Atkins diet can also cause hypoglycemia.
Yes, you may have low blood sugar from using HGH. You can increase your carb intake and this will rectify the situation.
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REDZULU2003
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This is all very fascinating and great...really I am pleased with it all.
But a note.
Please try to make it easyer and more understandable for guys who dont have a clue about this stuff.
Like break it down and explain what it all means step by step so we can all follow and understand......we aint all got degrees remember.
Thanks.
But a note.
Please try to make it easyer and more understandable for guys who dont have a clue about this stuff.
Like break it down and explain what it all means step by step so we can all follow and understand......we aint all got degrees remember.
Thanks.
Gyno= Male Bitch Tits
Hypoglycemia= Abnormally low blood sugar
Finasteride= Propecia/Proscar (for balding)
Dutasteride= For balding but blocks more DHT
Anything else you guys need explanations for, let me know.
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Hypoglycemia= Abnormally low blood sugar
Finasteride= Propecia/Proscar (for balding)
Dutasteride= For balding but blocks more DHT
Anything else you guys need explanations for, let me know.
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REDZULU2003
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Thats the way....thanks alot man.
Just do this with ya explanations as at times I myself get bogged down with the info' you Biology wizards present.
Just do this with ya explanations as at times I myself get bogged down with the info' you Biology wizards present.
I never saw that before. Interesting concept. There are only a fraction of GH receptors in the penis as compaired to other parts of the body. I bet its more to do with IGF1. I searched the Internet for someone claiming to have grown with GH/IGF1 and never found it. I would love to see it if you can find it.
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There was this dude named Jones something or other. He had this huge thread on growing your dick with no effort or money down in 30 days or less. Called Gain .5 inch/month with no exercises over at Thunders in the Supplemental Section http://www.thundersplace.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13552
That was some type of BS. People need to stay of the crack. I knew about that thread before. My brother went all crazy over the idea.
I was more thinking of IGF1 as a Penis Enlargement aid. I don't have the cash to try it though.
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I was more thinking of IGF1 as a Penis Enlargement aid. I don't have the cash to try it though.
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I think it's in the book "Grow Young with HGH". The author is a MD and I don't know how carefully the measurements were done etc. He didn't advocate taking HGH for this purpose, just mentions it as an occasional side effect. I believe he said one patient experienced a 25% gain in length.
I saw that online. It could be a way for the guy to sell his book with the huge population of guys wanting to make their cock bigger. I don't think that anything alone will grow the penis without using some type of stress. You would figure that, if HGH worked, we would know REALLY know about it by now. But, could this help with Penis Enlargement? Maybe!
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If I had the money to use GH or IGF1 while Penis Enlargementing, let there be no doubt that I would use it. I have little doubt that it would help but I do not have the money to do so. Also, the amount of help it would provide would be in serious question. But, the concept sounds very promising to say the least.
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The very thought scares the hell out of me. I've had trouble eliminating the chest fat, but you say this is rare, right?8, how much does this shit cost anyway? I must confess this thread has me curious, though there is little chance I can afford something most folks can't.
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Rare with both dutasteride and testosterone.
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That's actually less than I thought one might be looking at, but still out of my price range right now. I'm not sure I would trust this Mexico City clinic.
Been there, done that... not GH... but IGF-1 LR3.
The thing with growth hormone is that if you want the freaky gains with it, you need to take it with insulin and thyroid... the reason being is because it need's to convert into IGF-1 in the liver to be effective. GH by itself is not really anabolic! IGF-1 is. This is the reason you will find so many conflicting testimonials about it's effectiveness.
This brings me to another point... injecting regular IGF-1 would require multiple injection's a day to be effective because the half-life of IGF-1 is only at the most an hour... On the other hand IGF-1 Long R3 has a bonded protien to it so that it only requires one injection a day because the liver can't break it down as fast... resulting in around 10 hours of a half life!
Wich bring's me to another point... IGF-1 LR3 can be baught legally and somewhat affordably, because it is still in the research phase. I can attest that it works very well for around 90% permanent muscle gains along with some test cyp. !
It also really helped out with my knee pain through regeneration of cartilage (I believe) and the pain has not returned in the last week that I've been off of it!
I still have another 3 week supply of 50 mcg's a day and I will start it durring the last half of my 6 week phase 1 Penis Enlargement program. After this 3 weeks I will be done with it because I'm not into getting freaky huge... I just want to look good nekid and heal my knee 110%! I should also note that just because most of the muscle gains you get off of it are permanent... the lost body fat and increased strength are not... you still have to be dedicated to continue your fitness training... GH and IGF-1 (LR3) are awesome but they are not magic bullets!
Peace
SLICEDBEEF
The thing with growth hormone is that if you want the freaky gains with it, you need to take it with insulin and thyroid... the reason being is because it need's to convert into IGF-1 in the liver to be effective. GH by itself is not really anabolic! IGF-1 is. This is the reason you will find so many conflicting testimonials about it's effectiveness.
This brings me to another point... injecting regular IGF-1 would require multiple injection's a day to be effective because the half-life of IGF-1 is only at the most an hour... On the other hand IGF-1 Long R3 has a bonded protien to it so that it only requires one injection a day because the liver can't break it down as fast... resulting in around 10 hours of a half life!
Wich bring's me to another point... IGF-1 LR3 can be baught legally and somewhat affordably, because it is still in the research phase. I can attest that it works very well for around 90% permanent muscle gains along with some test cyp. !
It also really helped out with my knee pain through regeneration of cartilage (I believe) and the pain has not returned in the last week that I've been off of it!
I still have another 3 week supply of 50 mcg's a day and I will start it durring the last half of my 6 week phase 1 Penis Enlargement program. After this 3 weeks I will be done with it because I'm not into getting freaky huge... I just want to look good nekid and heal my knee 110%! I should also note that just because most of the muscle gains you get off of it are permanent... the lost body fat and increased strength are not... you still have to be dedicated to continue your fitness training... GH and IGF-1 (LR3) are awesome but they are not magic bullets!
Peace
SLICEDBEEF
I would like to hear about your Penis Enlargement results while using IGF1. I've never herd of LR3 as of yet. I'm guessing because it's still the research phase. Well, let us know how it goes..
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Since I just started Penis Enlargement the other day (sunday night), I couldn't tell you quite yet. I imagine my gains will impriove somewhat on it whenever I start on my cycle 3 weeks from now... however I don't know if it will definantly work. I do know that it worked very good for my knee and an extra 17 pounds of permanent muscle in 3 weeks!
Another thing with IGF-1LR3 is that since it has a bonded protien to it, it's believed that after around 5-6 weeks your body will start resisting it and you will have to take off equal the time you were on it.
I'll keep everything updated.
Peace
Another thing with IGF-1LR3 is that since it has a bonded protien to it, it's believed that after around 5-6 weeks your body will start resisting it and you will have to take off equal the time you were on it.
I'll keep everything updated.
Peace
I've got some cartilege problems in my knees. Can you give me any more details on getting this stuff, since I'd like to check it out?
There are side effects from using IGF1 and they are not all good ones. I'd get checked out by a Dr. before jumping on it. You have to inject it anyway atleast as far as I know.
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Yes, I agree,
you should at least research it on the net as much as you can before jumping right into it. Of course there are side effects from taking it IF you take a whole lot (over 150-200 mcg/day) over the cousre of a long period without a break... as with anything else you could take. You should also research on how to inject properly (maybe if you have a friend that's a diabetic?)
Another thing is that it is believed to cause dormant cancer cells to start going rampet... In other words, if you've had cancer or any type of tumor in the past, you should definantely reconsider taking it! That goes for if you have a bad family history of cancer, also.
Other than that, I found it to produce very good results and without one single side effect... except feeling more sleepy and spacey durring the day. This also goes for everybody I've ever talked with about their experience with it.
you should at least research it on the net as much as you can before jumping right into it. Of course there are side effects from taking it IF you take a whole lot (over 150-200 mcg/day) over the cousre of a long period without a break... as with anything else you could take. You should also research on how to inject properly (maybe if you have a friend that's a diabetic?)
Another thing is that it is believed to cause dormant cancer cells to start going rampet... In other words, if you've had cancer or any type of tumor in the past, you should definantely reconsider taking it! That goes for if you have a bad family history of cancer, also.
Other than that, I found it to produce very good results and without one single side effect... except feeling more sleepy and spacey durring the day. This also goes for everybody I've ever talked with about their experience with it.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9506862&dopt=Abstract
Weird end result to this study.
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Weird end result to this study.
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Great find!
Just makes ya wonder if they could have dramatically increased their gains with some Penis Enlargement... Can't wait to start my next IGF cycle... with Penis Enlargement of course!
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SLICEDBEEF
Just makes ya wonder if they could have dramatically increased their gains with some Penis Enlargement... Can't wait to start my next IGF cycle... with Penis Enlargement of course!
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SLICEDBEEF
The IGF-1 appears to be expensive, based on the quantity and amounts mentioned above.
I was wondering why they used so much, also... but then I got to thinking...
They didn't state whether they used regular IGF-1 or the LR3 version... but I imagine they used the regular, because if they used the LR3 version it would be quite a bit considering what others have used (with good results) and the dramatically longer half life the LR3 has over the regular... I've talked with people taking as little as 20-50 mcg's of IGF-1 LR3 (including myself), that have gotten quite dramatic results (on muscle growth and joint rejuvenation, anyways)! If they did use the LR3 version (wich I doubt), they were giving the upper limit of doses recommended (150-200mcg) and that's been know to cause some nausious/dizziness feelings after injections unless you've worked your way up... I'm sure they would have mentioned that as a side effect.
I do know for sure that 30-50 mcg's a day of LR3 is enough to start out with, if you're interested in some muscle growth and joint rejuvenation (as well as decreased bodyfat, increased appetite and increased erections). I didn't measure my penis, so I don't know for sure if it grew from the 3 weeks I was on 30mcg's a day... but I did hang heavier durring the day and always woke up with a raging wood... as well as increased # of erections. I couldn't tell you if it will make your erections harder, because I seem to always have rock hard erection, like I just took a viagra I didn't even need (nananabubu). All kiddin aside...
In 2 weeks I'll start my last 3 week cycle and let you know if 50 mcg's a day was enough to make a difference in my Penis Enlargement gains.
Peace
They didn't state whether they used regular IGF-1 or the LR3 version... but I imagine they used the regular, because if they used the LR3 version it would be quite a bit considering what others have used (with good results) and the dramatically longer half life the LR3 has over the regular... I've talked with people taking as little as 20-50 mcg's of IGF-1 LR3 (including myself), that have gotten quite dramatic results (on muscle growth and joint rejuvenation, anyways)! If they did use the LR3 version (wich I doubt), they were giving the upper limit of doses recommended (150-200mcg) and that's been know to cause some nausious/dizziness feelings after injections unless you've worked your way up... I'm sure they would have mentioned that as a side effect.
I do know for sure that 30-50 mcg's a day of LR3 is enough to start out with, if you're interested in some muscle growth and joint rejuvenation (as well as decreased bodyfat, increased appetite and increased erections). I didn't measure my penis, so I don't know for sure if it grew from the 3 weeks I was on 30mcg's a day... but I did hang heavier durring the day and always woke up with a raging wood... as well as increased # of erections. I couldn't tell you if it will make your erections harder, because I seem to always have rock hard erection, like I just took a viagra I didn't even need (nananabubu). All kiddin aside...
In 2 weeks I'll start my last 3 week cycle and let you know if 50 mcg's a day was enough to make a difference in my Penis Enlargement gains.
Peace
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I just started taking 50mcg's/day of IGF-1LR3 yesterday. Up till then I had gained a tad over an 1/8" in length and girth....
We'll see how this stuff works out!
Peace
We'll see how this stuff works out!
Peace
OK I bodybuild for one and i KNOW that tesosterone levels which along with high hGH and DHT speed the development of penile growth. One reason because DHT is used to recover and grow the cells there when they are damaged and depending on how much hGH and testerone you have, they will naturally grow much larger much faster. The thing is though the hGH and testerone are in their highest from 15 to about 22 years of age and you can increase them by lifting weights and i mean lift them hardcore and eat alot of protein which in turn is used to help build the blocks of muscles fiber. You DONT take this shit by supplements, that's just ludacris just make sure you have a 4-5 day split with alot of fiber, clean carbs, fats and about 200 protein everyday this all creates increases in hGH by up to about 300% so your entire body is in this state of exreme growth. I think that penile growth is very much relevant to the muscle fiber growth... oh yes and you dont grow MORE CELLS the fibers size and strength is increased through that stimulation. So make sure you're entire body is in an anabolic state or your penis will take a long time to grow and recover. I'm sure ou all are asking me about my success, for one i'mnot consistent with this. I remember in my bulking phase of last year i did 4 days straight of Penis Enlargement and i grew probably a 1/2 inch in those 4 days(6.25-6.8), then i stopped now i'm starting again along with rebulking again this time i have ot say after 2 days i feel and see growth, it's quite impressive and surprising how much you can grow given the right circumstances. Make sure you eat alot of clean food though and get your NUTRIENTS, very important i must say, so with all of this you will grow.
EDIT* i forgot to tell you about IGF-1 this helps a shitload in your growth factor an di know how to get the best of it... DRINK MILK!!!!!
EDIT* i forgot to tell you about IGF-1 this helps a shitload in your growth factor an di know how to get the best of it... DRINK MILK!!!!!
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How much milk do you need to drink to get the desired effect?
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stillwantmore
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Thats right guys....if you want a bunch of bovine growth hormones in your system...LOAD UP ON MILK!!! MMM MMM! Just because someone is a "bodybuilder" does not mean that they know what hormones will make a penis grow if any. I serioulsy doubt any commercially available synthetic or natural hormone can have an effect on penis size. Much of what this guy is saying is very generalized. Everyone's protien intake is different...we all need different amounts based on body weight to increase muscle mass. Also, he like many other men who dont know much about what they are talking about ....seems to be insinuating that the penis is just like skeletal muscle tissue and that it is easily influenced by direct hormonal stimulation. Any proof? So he saw a 1/2" spurt here and there. How does that back up what he says? ?
my 2 cents:
I have heard some reports from GH users of Penis Enlargement, but its so expensive its really not worth it. The chance of it happening are slim. You would need a high dose too.. Much more promising would be IGF-1, which is becoming alot more accessible as of late, but you really have to be careful with it, ill post some articles if you guys are interested
I have heard some reports from GH users of Penis Enlargement, but its so expensive its really not worth it. The chance of it happening are slim. You would need a high dose too.. Much more promising would be IGF-1, which is becoming alot more accessible as of late, but you really have to be careful with it, ill post some articles if you guys are interested
what proof lol i just told you and yes I may be generalizing what i am saying so it can make sense. I go around alo ton the bodybuilding forums and am very active in the sport and i know the penis is not made of muscle but it reacts in the very same ways. It is made up of cells that take nutrients in and out just like muscle cells do. Also out of my curiosity i go round reading alot of sex information based off penile problems and anatomy which i'm sure DLD knows much more of, I just know the basics of it so far...and yes peoples genetic makeups are different but generally it is still the same not that we're entirely different species
and im still not getting why you guys are going about buying these hormones.. just lift weight and eat alot that's enough hGH right there made FREE that's right FREE hGH and guarteed not to screw up your hormonal functions.
but yea i'm starting very vigorously again but my bodybuilding effort has dropped due to school and plus it's very difficult to keep at it, so now i'm just maintaining my body's muscle mass. So i don't expect to grow quite as fast since my body's metabolic state is less anabolic.
and please don't tell me i don't know what i'm talking about.. comon let's all be openminded to these issues.
lata
and im still not getting why you guys are going about buying these hormones.. just lift weight and eat alot that's enough hGH right there made FREE that's right FREE hGH and guarteed not to screw up your hormonal functions.
but yea i'm starting very vigorously again but my bodybuilding effort has dropped due to school and plus it's very difficult to keep at it, so now i'm just maintaining my body's muscle mass. So i don't expect to grow quite as fast since my body's metabolic state is less anabolic.
and please don't tell me i don't know what i'm talking about.. comon let's all be openminded to these issues.
lata
How's it goin guy's,
I've been out of state woorking on a contract job, so I haven't been really motivated to post... although, I have been continuing with my Penis Enlargement.
Anyway's, durring the 3 week's of IGF-1 LR3, I had gained a smidgen over a 1/4 of an inch in length and girth. I'm not going to say that it was due to the IGF-1 because the routine I was following was pretty consistant with good workouts. I also gained aprox. 8 pounds of muscle (for those who are intersted).
"Thats right guys....if you want a bunch of bovine growth hormones in your system...LOAD UP ON MILK!!! MMM MMM!"
LOL... I do have to agree with Stillwantmore on this. A full grown adult won't be able to get an elevation of Growth factors orally, because the digestive tract is way too acidic and destroys them and turns them into a very expensive amino acid "suppliment".
Also, eating right and working out is not near as effective as eating right, working out AND taking steroids/growth hormones/factors.
Although, I do agree with MaxVeloc on the theory that the penis will adapt to stress, the same way muscles do through bodybuilding (and anyother body part).... only with Penis Enlargement, we stress the penis through a passive route. (that's just my way of looking at it). I do believe hormones (such as IGF-1) play an important role in penis growth, though not to the extent that some people believe.
Currently I'm 7 inches aprox... depends on how horny my girl makes me
Peace.
I've been out of state woorking on a contract job, so I haven't been really motivated to post... although, I have been continuing with my Penis Enlargement.
Anyway's, durring the 3 week's of IGF-1 LR3, I had gained a smidgen over a 1/4 of an inch in length and girth. I'm not going to say that it was due to the IGF-1 because the routine I was following was pretty consistant with good workouts. I also gained aprox. 8 pounds of muscle (for those who are intersted).
"Thats right guys....if you want a bunch of bovine growth hormones in your system...LOAD UP ON MILK!!! MMM MMM!"
LOL... I do have to agree with Stillwantmore on this. A full grown adult won't be able to get an elevation of Growth factors orally, because the digestive tract is way too acidic and destroys them and turns them into a very expensive amino acid "suppliment".
Also, eating right and working out is not near as effective as eating right, working out AND taking steroids/growth hormones/factors.
Although, I do agree with MaxVeloc on the theory that the penis will adapt to stress, the same way muscles do through bodybuilding (and anyother body part).... only with Penis Enlargement, we stress the penis through a passive route. (that's just my way of looking at it). I do believe hormones (such as IGF-1) play an important role in penis growth, though not to the extent that some people believe.
Currently I'm 7 inches aprox... depends on how horny my girl makes me
Peace.
Anybody have an opinion on those more affordable supplements that are floating around these days, promising to stimulate your body to produce more HGH naturally?