HGH and PE??

In all reality, does it really make a difference guys? Shit, other discussion site and [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] are 2 separate entities controlled by 2 separate people. If Thunder feels it necessary to ban important members of the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] forum, then that's his choosing to do so. Likewise if DLD decides he wants to ban people who are important over at Thunder's.

Let the childish antics die. It's pathetic to see adult men quarrel over the rights to post on a message board. Please, grow up and let this shit die right here, right now.
 
I don`t think that the Growth Hormone/other hormones are gonna do anything than increase you muscle size[ building up hipotrophiated muscles, don`t know if that`s te word. I meant under-developed muscles], make you hairier and temporary impotent.
However, if you use the Growth Hormone as a teenager you could stagnate your growth in height but maybe increase your penile size. Hormones have different effects to adults and to teenagers.
And because your body feels that your testosterone level is high your testicles will stop producing. I know that people take these stuff for like 4 months, enough for your balls to shrink and never be able to restore their testosterone production as before.
This stuff can be really dangerous!!!
 
Actually, HGH/IGF-1 will cause a child/early-teen to grow taller as long as his growth plates haven't fused. As soon as the kid's growth plates have fused, then the chance for him/her to grow taller is impossible.

The only way a kid still in his growing stages will stagnate his height, is if he takes something that will increase his estrogen to cause the fusion of his growth plates (such as an androgenic steroid being converted by his body into estrogen).

Peace
 
Also, I'm not trying to start anything but...

As far as anabolic/androgenic steroids being dangerous... believe it or not, there has not been one case to prove that steroids have caused a single death or iriversable effect (unless the person has been diagnosed with a previous heart problem or illness).

Stop watching the news/media and start reading the clinical studies. The only reason why steroids are illegal is politics. I've taken quite a few different substances and have not had any major... or medium side-effect... as well as quite a few associates. I would bet my life that aprox. 75% of professional athletes use steroids, but you don't see them living an unhealthy life...

PS. Tylenol has killed aprox. 3 times more people a year then ephedra (just recently banned), yet pharmaceutical companies already have trademark's on names for their fat burners that contain ephedra. In other words... never trust the media (they always take the studies out of context because they get some money)... read the actual clinical studies... then decide what's really dangerous. Even if you don't have any interest in this, you should care that the current government is taking away more and more rights and eventually they will take away something you hold dear... but it will be too late because you didn't stand up for other people's rights.... therfore they won't stand up for your rights/beliefs.

PSS. Not to mention that cigarettes and alchol are much more harmful/deadly than almost any other drug/chemical, yet it's not banned because these big companies have politicians/lobyiests hand's in their money-pockets.

In other words, anabolic/androgenic steroids side effects are blown way out of proportion to the point that it is extremely rediculous... and frustrating.

Sorry for the rambling... I tend to get worked up about this subject... please excuse me.
 
there has been a case of death from hormones. An athlete died of liver cancer. hormones and steroids are very dangerous. and athletes that take them don`t care so much about their side-effects, most of them want to boost their performances at any price.

I mistaken the growth hormone with testosterone... sorry :)
yes, you will grow taller if you use the growth hormone as a kid, but as an adult only your arms and legs will grow, not all the bones or something like that I learned in biology class. I meant only the long bones, the short ones will remain the same lenght.
the growth hormone is STH, right?
how will that help with muscle growth? I thought testosterone did that.
 
Originally posted by Omul_Paianjen
This stuff can be really dangerous!!!
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Huh. Here in the US, doctors are generally praising HGH for its benefits. Of course, most of those cases are cases of using the actual HGH, not some chemical stimulant to produce HGH.
 
Originally posted by SLICEDBEEF
In other words, anabolic/androgenic steroids side effects are blown way out of proportion to the point that it is extremely rediculous... and frustrating.
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I'm not ready to call them as harmless as sugar pills, but I do believe that the risks are greatly exaggerated. Sure, some negative side effects are associated with steroid use, but for every death that has been blamed on them, there have been thousands of users that have experienced relatively few side effects. I myself have never taken any. I would not mind trying them, provided I actually got a doctor to give me an okay on it. I sometimes get chest pains and have wondered if my heart is entirely normal. Plus, the penalties for getting busted with them, illegally, are substantial. My understanding is that Deca Durabolin has been a great steroid that has shown minimal side effects. I definitely think some are more dangerous than others. A coworker that is an ex-juicer told me about some stuff that bodybuilders take that was designed as a horse steroid, which seems nuts to me.
 
There is use and there is abuse.... I don't thank we should all get punished for a few dip-shits... What's next?... ID's so that we can have sex? For something as harmless as steroids/hormones, we shouldn't have "big brother" baby sitting us (we are all adults... we should be able to make our own decisions). For crying out loud, McDonalds kill's a rediculously way bigger percentage of people than hormones! >:(

Dammm....

Sorry again!... I can't help it!

PS. Deca Durabolin has been known to give people "Deca-Dick"... UnAbility to get a full-blown erection (wich is revearsable within a couple day's). Other than that, it's pretty much one of the "easiest" steroids out there.
 
Hey Beef I have Pmed you a few times and posted on here were can I get the IGF-1LR3 ?????????????????????????????????
 
Omul, you are right...

there has been a few cases where people have abused suped-up steroids and it has caused liver damage/cancer... the same thing can happen with an alcholic's drinking problem, taking too much otc pain pills, as well as a few other things. I was talking more so about immediate death/effects. ;)

peace
 
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Originally posted by penguinsfan
Huh. Here in the US, doctors are generally praising HGH for its benefits. Of course, most of those cases are cases of using the actual HGH, not some chemical stimulant to produce HGH.
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I would take HGH or IGF 1 in a heart beat if I had the money no question about it, I would go to a doctor and start right away!
 
Originally posted by SLICEDBEEF
There is use and there is abuse.... I don't thank we should all get punished for a few dip-shits...
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Again, I am not a qualified expert, but I would definitely like to see serious consideration given to legalizing steroids for, for lack of a better term, recreational use under a doctor's supervision. However, I would say that probably only certain ones should be commonly available.
 
Again, I am not a qualified expert, but I would definitely like to see serious consideration given to legalizing steroids for, for lack of a better term, recreational use under a doctor's supervision. However, I would say that probably only certain ones should be commonly available.
I agree PenguinsFan,

There are a few out there (such as Anadrol 50) that do nothing but cause bloat (water-retention), small lean muscle gain, and some liver stress... I see it as coming down to picking the Grey Goose over the moon shine (quality over quantity).

Peace
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penguinsfan said:
Anybody have an opinion on those more affordable supplements that are floating around these days, promising to stimulate your body to produce more HGH naturally?
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Yes, I have a very well educated opinion.

There is not one supplement on the market that is going to elevate HGH levels. (and don't go throwing those crap Italian studies done with massive amounts of l-arginine and l-orinthine at me...I'll beat you down like a dog with other PubMed studes that refrute them).

On the flip side, 4iu a day of Hgh can do wonders if you use if for minimum of 6 months.

Ouch babe...that's a lot of scratch.
 
SLICEDBEEF said:
PS. Deca Durabolin has been known to give people "Deca-Dick"... UnAbility to get a full-blown erection (wich is revearsable within a couple day's). Other than that, it's pretty much one of the "easiest" steroids out there.
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Although I tend to agree with SB on most of this thread...I would NEVER comment that Deca is a an 'easy' steriod. It has a huge impact on the HPTA axis and can take months in SOME users to regain full testicular function. It's right up there with Tren as far as suppression. And deca dick is no joke...not even Viagra or other substances help in this case.
 
Yes, you're right... I was thinking more along the lines of liver stress. If you take deca, it's best that you have some clomid and possibly HCG with a stack.
 
SLICEDBEEF said:
Yes, you're right... I was thinking more along the lines of liver stress. If you take deca, it's best that you have some clomid and possibly HCG with a stack.
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Ah...yeah, deca is very mild in relation to liver enzymes and doesn't have a tendency to raise enzyme levels in most cases. It also pretty good for your joints and tendons..

But, I would NEVER, EVER, NEVER take deca. Period.

It's one of the few anabolics that kicks around in your system for up to 6-8 months after use.
 
WideAwake said:
Yes, I have a very well educated opinion.

There is not one supplement on the market that is going to elevate HGH levels.
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That was my guess. I figured, like many supplements, the effect would be minimal at best.

Do you think legitimate HGH will ever be affordable to any substantial percentage of the population, or it is destined to forever be the Hollywood fountain of youth? Just curious, as I have no idea how it is produced or extracted.
 
penguinsfan said:
That was my guess. I figured, like many supplements, the effect would be minimal at best.

Do you think legitimate HGH will ever be affordable to any substantial percentage of the population, or it is destined to forever be the Hollywood fountain of youth? Just curious, as I have no idea how it is produced or extracted.
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It's available right now for a very cost effective price. Just not legally.

Will the FDA ever release it's hold on the distribution and cut the pharm companies huge inflated profit margin? Probably not....
 
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