someone figure this out? (ROP and testosterone)

fallen_one23 · May 8, 2004

sikdogg said:
Not to rain on anyone's parade, but one person's positive result is not conclusive. You may just be one of the lucky SOB's with high levels of Test to begin with (wish i was like that). I'm aware of your bad experience with steroids and that would have caused your T levels to drop temporarily, and you could have simply recovered (maybe with the ROP's help) from that bad cycle.

yea, things like these we can never be sure of, until the group of doctors come around and start doing years of studies on houndreds of people, but It's awesome how we're getting all kinds of different replies on this, and especially DLD and whoever else is willing to get their test level checked how i described above.

Your current T-levels is pretty much on the upper edge of the normal scale or even a little over (which is awesome), but did you ever get your T-levels tested before you got on your steroids cycle?? The reason i ask is that if your T-levels were artificially raised by the ROP, then if you stop using it then your T-levels should go back down to its normal range (per the feedback mechanism described by Fallen_one23). This is true no matter how the T-levels were raised as you body will always try to get back to its level of homeostasis, which is different for everyone. If one could permanently increase one's T-levels, then most if not all bodybuilders in the world would be doing that instead of steroids.

unfortuneatly this is right, the body always has a way of going back to how it was, let's be glad that the penis does not shrink after we reached our goal size. But I believe that the ROP could be different, we get all kind of positive feedback that it must be doing something right, but is it any more than a regular supply of zinc? I CAN'T WAIT for DLD to get his ROP, hey did, u get your test kit yet, or are u going to get the official test from the doc?

This is just my 2 cents and by no means trying to discredit Supra's results as i'm honestly happy that he has overcome his problems with low T-levels. But from a scientific standpoint, one success is not conclusive. That said, if we can get more people to get their T-levels tested before, during, and after using the ROP, i'd be glad to run some statistical analysis on the data to prove the ROP's effectiveness.

In no way do i mean to dis on Supra and the ROP, there's just some stuff that needs to be worked out, but if u just look at all the positive feedback on it, u won't doubt it!

Super · May 9, 2004

sikdogg said:
Not to rain on anyone's parade, but one person's positive result is not conclusive. You may just be one of the lucky SOB's with high levels of Test to begin with (wish i was like that). I'm aware of your bad experience with steroids and that would have caused your T levels to drop temporarily, and you could have simply recovered (maybe with the ROP's help) from that bad cycle.

Your current T-levels is pretty much on the upper edge of the normal scale or even a little over (which is awesome), but did you ever get your T-levels tested before you got on your steroids cycle?? The reason i ask is that if your T-levels were artificially raised by the ROP, then if you stop using it then your T-levels should go back down to its normal range (per the feedback mechanism described by Fallen_one23). This is true no matter how the T-levels were raised as you body will always try to get back to its level of homeostasis, which is different for everyone. If one could permanently increase one's T-levels, then most if not all bodybuilders in the world would be doing that instead of steroids.

This is just my 2 cents and by no means trying to discredit Supra's results as i'm honestly happy that he has overcome his problems with low T-levels. But from a scientific standpoint, one success is not conclusive. That said, if we can get more people to get their T-levels tested before, during, and after using the ROP, i'd be glad to run some statistical analysis on the data to prove the ROP's effectiveness.

What about higherones testamony, he had the same effects? I guess we are all lying

Super · May 9, 2004

BTW Most BB are stupid and retarded, I tried telling them about the ROP at muscle chemisrty and many other boards, and was all shot to shit. There dumb, you snooze you loose. I am a BB, But I am smart and not ignorant.

quijjiboo · May 9, 2004

I'm the first person who would want something like this to come along. But the thing that bothers me are all of the claims that the ROP will give you huge permanent increases in test, improve your Penis Enlargement, make you God etc... without any proof

Now I asked Supra to post a scan of his results and he did and that was cool. But you can't go around selling the rings while making all of these claims without proof. Why do you pay a group of guys to test their T levels as mentioned in a previous reply, say 30 ( that would be IMO a statistically significant sample). I would be impressed by an average 15+% increase while wearing the ring given the cost, inconvenience etc.

sikdogg · May 9, 2004

Supra said:
What about higherones testamony, he had the same effects? I guess we are all lying

Bro, i didn't mean to imply that you were lying. In fact i have alot of respect for you for all that you've done and been willing to do in the name of Penis Enlargement. All i'm saying is that there is no empirical data proving and/or disproving all the claims made about the ROP. Now if we can collectively get a study going to conclusively prove it effectiveness, then we can release this info to the rest of the Penis Enlargement world as a proven fact.

BTW, i also wear an ROP. I believe that it can possibly have some effects on one's test levels, i just don't believe that it's a cure-all.

Super · May 9, 2004

quijjiboo said:
I'm the first person who would want something like this to come along. But the thing that bothers me are all of the claims that the ROP will give you huge permanent increases in test, improve your Penis Enlargement, make you God etc... without any proof

Now I asked Supra to post a scan of his results and he did and that was cool. But you can't go around selling the rings while making all of these claims without proof. Why do you pay a group of guys to test their T levels as mentioned in a previous reply, say 30 ( that would be IMO a statistically significant sample). I would be impressed by an average 15+% increase while wearing the ring given the cost, inconvenience etc.

Im not seeling anything, if you want to have me make you one, that is fine, if you want to make your own that is fine, I help guys either way, it does not matter. All I have reported is what has happened to me, and hundreds of others have reported great effects as well.

Super · May 9, 2004

sikdogg said:
Bro, i didn't mean to imply that you were lying. In fact i have alot of respect for you for all that you've done and been willing to do in the name of Penis Enlargement. All i'm saying is that there is no empirical data proving and/or disproving all the claims made about the ROP. Now if we can collectively get a study going to conclusively prove it effectiveness, then we can release this info to the rest of the Penis Enlargement world as a proven fact.

BTW, i also wear an ROP. I believe that it can possibly have some effects on one's test levels, i just don't believe that it's a cure-all.

Were did I say it was a cure all? I cant seem to find that.

REDZULU2003 · May 9, 2004

REDZULU2003 said:
Thats what I asked, neither am I pissing on anyone ... but 2 months off from the ROP isnt conclusive to say ''It gives permanent gains in test'' it could just be temp boost in test while you wear it, and short times afterwards.

More testing needs doing before its considered permanent, but I am glad its going well and all.
Someone needs to have a 6 month break from the ROP, but before they do get there test levels checked, than 6 months later after no ROP, check again ... thats the only way, and dont take any of those supplements.

No one responded to my post.

Super · May 9, 2004

REDZULU2003 said:
No one responded to my post.

I have had the ring on for 4 and off for 2 and the test stayed the same. Higherones has posted his results, and has no reason to lie. The ring works, bottom line, Saying the Ring does not is like saying that your constricots does not work red. IT works. Even if you dont think it increases test, it does, I have posted all the proof and others have posted it as well. There are medical jouranls online about it, have you forgotten these posts?

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6115

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3556

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3799

REDZULU2003 · May 9, 2004

Mate, ya getting all rocked abit here lol
I aint saying it dunt work, dont twist things.
I saying what many othrs are, how can one, now two peoples accounts of permanent test increase from the ROP be taken as concrete, i.e MORE people need to test this on rest days and such, as fro my constricters lol they aint increasing test mate , work completly differnent and if you read in the main forum how I answered some negative with regards to them, I said the truth ... that I had done them the longest and not lost anything, but that cant be taken as concrete.
I am merly saying this in regards to the ROP, you and that other guy.
Just cos ya aint lost test doesnt mean its the PURFECT device for increasing test, have ya taken other supplements?? did ya change ya diet?? I mean, the Science field wont entertain you if ya cant answer this in a calm manner.
I aint pissin on ya or anythin like that, I like what the ROP has done and belive it works.
All I am getting at, is MORE men need to test this with LONG rests after useing it to see if the thing has increased test Penis EnlargementRMANENT, thats all....nuthing hard or nasty about me saying this.

Super · May 9, 2004

I agree with everything you have said, if people want to get hte test they can, a lot of people probbably care les though man, ever heard the saying, "who cares how it works, it works!!"

If people want to do this they can, but its up to them, I dont really care. I know it works and am happy that I could promote this and bring it out of the dust, wre no one talked about it. ever since i broght it up, its been the hottest topic here and at �other PE site� for months now. I am just glad it has helped me and everyone else

Super · May 9, 2004

BTW I never said that you said it did not work. I did not twist anything mate.

REDZULU2003 · May 9, 2004

The ring works, bottom line, Saying the Ring does not is like saying that your constricots does not work red. IT works. Even if you dont think it increases test, it does

lol read the above thats how it came across mate.
I'm used to it, I interview people who twist things all the time.

Super · May 9, 2004

REDZULU2003 said:
lol read the above thats how it came across mate.
I'm used to it, I interview people who twist things all the time.

Nah thats not what i meant bro, my bad if you took it that way.

REDZULU2003 · May 9, 2004

No probz, dunt matter.
When ya type, things do come across wrong.
In speech it sounds and come across better, just the net I guess.

fallen_one23 · May 9, 2004

I aint pissin on ya or anythin like that, I like what the ROP has done and belive it works.
All I am getting at, is MORE men need to test this with LONG rests after useing it to see if the thing has increased test Penis EnlargementRMANENT, thats all....nuthing hard or nasty about me saying this.

Amen. this is the kind of thing I was going at, and most people just want to take it how it is, nobody wants to know how everything works and why.

If one could permanently increase one's T-levels, then most if not all bodybuilders in the world would be doing that instead of steroids.

true, but how many people knew about this before Supra came around, really? The ROP is like brand new, and if it wasn't for Supra noone where would know about it. I have no doubts of the thing working, but as i said the thing is NEW. think of all the stuff that's taken as FACT, there was probably a whole group of doctors working on hundreds of patients for many years to be able to say something works. There has been no such study with the ROP, and all I want is for people to volunteer and help the cause, maybe we can find even more benefits to the ROP

Super · May 9, 2004

I tried to have a test study a while back, for this, and no one participated.

dogsdoodahs · May 9, 2004

Blimey does wearing the ring really do all this?

Ring of Power Benifits

1. Bigger Flaccid Penis
2. Faster healing and recovery for Penis Enlargement
3. More Blood circulation to the genitals, giving you rock hard and and sustained erections in stregth and size.
4. Sexual performance magnified, and elimination of partial impotence and sexual problems.
5. Increases Libido and sex drive, due to Testosterone Boosting effects
6. Sperm production increased, stronger ejaculations and thicker more health ejaculations.
7. The problems of incontinence due to weak muscles controlling the bladder and other sphincter problems, the muscles are strengthend.
8. Pre mature ejacuation less of a problem
9. A Natural way of improvement of overall health, self-esteem, mood and outlook on life, and sexual gratification.
10. A all natrual way to get all of these benifits without having to take drugs, pills or injections.

If so how much will it cost me to get one shipped to Scotland?

Super · May 9, 2004

It does for me

Chasing8 · May 9, 2004

Hello,
I really don't know if it increases testosterone or not. I do feel confident, however that it has helped with my Penis Enlargement and I consider it to have been a worthwhile purchase.
For me, it is the perfect shape for a cock ring. The oblong shape fits my genitals perfectly so that I can wear it all of the time without fluid build up yet it is tight enough so that I hang fuller flaccid and when I get erect, I have a slight clamp effect. This allows me to stay plump longer between work outs and have a thicker penis when erect. My penis does not get numb or cold while wearing it.

I am in no way associated with Supra in a business sense have onle exchanged a few words with him on ordering the ROP.

In summary, the ROP may or may not just be a great cock ring. Either way, I am happy with it.

Your village Bison

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