someone figure this out? (ROP and testosterone)

found this at this site How does the body know how much testosterone to make and release?
The testes receive chemical signals from the pituitary gland, which is located at the base of the brain. The pituitary gland receives signals from the hypothalamus. The hypothalamus secretes gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH). This signals the pituitary gland to produce and secrete follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) and luteinizing hormone (LH). LH orders the testes to produce testosterone. If the testes begin producing too much testosterone, the body sends signals to the pituitary telling it to make less LH. This, in turn, slows down the production of testosterone.

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are we just increasing our testosteroe only for our body to lower it again? I'm really confused, they seem to know what they're talking about.

Hopefully not....

I know andro and stuff like that may, but Im not sure about this. There is a difference depending on how the test is influenced and what hormone is affected.

Maybe we should do 3 weeks on/1 off or something like that?

bigbutnottoo said:

I know andro and stuff like that may, but Im not sure about this. There is a difference depending on how the test is influenced and what hormone is affected.

Maybe we should do 3 weeks on/1 off or something like that?

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we might have to, I've been trying to do more research on it, but sadly nothing much else, little or no research has been done on the ROP itself, so most of the stuff is on anabolic steroids, so we're basically test rats. trying my best to disprove it though, reply everyone!

There is also a difference between introducing a foreign source of androgens into your body (ie. steroids), and stimulating your testes to produce more of their own (the RoP). In the former case, your pituary gland sends a chemical message to your testes, signaling them to lower their production or halt it completely to compensate for the overload of free test that is suddenly raging through your veins. In effect, it replaces your natural output. The RoP doesn't do that, since you aren't injecting any hormones into your body, or taking any pills. I believe this is the main reason the RoP does't cause your natural testosterone output to drop dramatically, even if you were to stop using it completely.

Actually Anything which raises Test be it Tribulus, ROP, steroids whatever (external sources) the body does lower the test, which is why these things should be cycled every 2-4 weeks to allow the body to re-generate its natural supply. If you keep feeding your body Ext sources of test or things which raise/inhibit itthe body will lower its natrual production, as theres no need to work at the body's fullest pace when it can get its test from whatever it is your using.

thx, do u see better results when doing that cycle with the ROP? I've had it onfor a month straight, so how long should i take it off before I start back up again

executioner, your body is actually producing the test with the ROP.. it doesnt need to shut down production because of a foreign source. I guess in effect you are tricking your body into producing more test.

AS you saw from my Blood Tests that I posted, my Testosterone never came back down, it stayed at 1226nl/ng. There is no crash with the ROP

Although we can't say there's no possibly of your body shutting down natural testosterone with the ROP, I'm gonna be with Supra and Multiman. although we have a damn good idea of what the ROP does and how it works, we don't know everything about it, and there's no use comparing it to anabolic steroids and such cause they are completely different.

maybe we can find someone who hasn't started wearing ROP
1. have them test their test level before they put it on
2. again after 24 hours
3. than keep checking every 3-5 days or maybe weekly
4. note changes in testosterone, if they start getting diminishing returns, and what happens if they take it off for awhile and put it back on.

probably couldn't do this at the doctors, but maybe an at home test kit?

fallen_one23 said:

maybe we can find someone who hasn't started wearing ROP

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Yo Yo Yo, Once I get mines I'll be the Guinea Pig

The effect the R.O.P. has on testosterone production is negligible. It ain't even one volt... and we have all kinds of electricity and frequencies and waves passing through our bodies at all times, man. Holding your cell phone up to your balls would probably accomplish more.

The best way to up your "T" is by using drugs. What goes up must come down anyway, ya know?

But hey, I'm not above trying it out. I may be talking shit, but I'll still build one and give it a chance. I'm just playing Devil's Advocate. You gotta look at this from every angle, not just from the "this thing is great" angle. I just have this suspicion that the ring of power is no more effective than wearing magnetic braclets. It's psychosomatic... if you believe it'll work for you, or that it's helping, it'll help.

I still wanna build one and try it. And I will.

Godsize said:

It's psychosomatic...

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I've been trying to remember that word for ages, thanks Godsize!

As for the RoP, I have the zinc, but haven't bothered to get the copper. Consider that's all I need to actually pay for, it might be worth trying.

I doubt I'll get round to it though, unless someone has some spare copper lying about!

Godsize said:

The effect the R.O.P. has on testosterone production is negligible. It ain't even one volt... and we have all kinds of electricity and frequencies and waves passing through our bodies at all times, man. Holding your cell phone up to your balls would probably accomplish more.

The best way to up your "T" is by using drugs. What goes up must come down anyway, ya know?

But hey, I'm not above trying it out. I may be talking shit, but I'll still build one and give it a chance. I'm just playing Devil's Advocate. You gotta look at this from every angle, not just from the "this thing is great" angle. I just have this suspicion that the ring of power is no more effective than wearing magnetic braclets. It's psychosomatic... if you believe it'll work for you, or that it's helping, it'll help.

I still wanna build one and try it. And I will.

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The ROP's effects are not negligible, that is a false statment. I have 3 blood test that show it does work.

If you stop useing the ROP and leave for say 6 months without useing it, will the test levels drop? or will they stay?

I stoped for 2 months and they stayed the same, so I do not see why not.

Supra said:

The ROP's effects are not negligible, that is a false statment. I have 3 blood test that show it does work.

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I tend to agree.

I also disagree with the assumption by God that only drugs can raise test. That is definitely false. Diet and exercise both have huge effects on test.

I think the best way to go about it is give yourself a good foundation by eating and working out to maximize test. levels and then adding supplements and the ROP to maximize the effects.

Supra said:

The ROP's effects are not negligible, that is a false statment. I have 3 blood test that show it does work.

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Not to rain on anyone's parade, but one person's positive result is not conclusive. You may just be one of the lucky SOB's with high levels of Test to begin with (wish i was like that). I'm aware of your bad experience with steroids and that would have caused your T levels to drop temporarily, and you could have simply recovered (maybe with the ROP's help) from that bad cycle.

Your current T-levels is pretty much on the upper edge of the normal scale or even a little over (which is awesome), but did you ever get your T-levels tested before you got on your steroids cycle?? The reason i ask is that if your T-levels were artificially raised by the ROP, then if you stop using it then your T-levels should go back down to its normal range (per the feedback mechanism described by Fallen_one23). This is true no matter how the T-levels were raised as you body will always try to get back to its level of homeostasis, which is different for everyone. If one could permanently increase one's T-levels, then most if not all bodybuilders in the world would be doing that instead of steroids.

This is just my 2 cents and by no means trying to discredit Supra's results as i'm honestly happy that he has overcome his problems with low T-levels. But from a scientific standpoint, one success is not conclusive. That said, if we can get more people to get their T-levels tested before, during, and after using the ROP, i'd be glad to run some statistical analysis on the data to prove the ROP's effectiveness.

Thats what I asked, neither am I pissing on anyone ... but 2 months off from the ROP isnt conclusive to say ''It gives permanent gains in test'' it could just be temp boost in test while you wear it, and short times afterwards.

More testing needs doing before its considered permanent, but I am glad its going well and all.
Someone needs to have a 6 month break from the ROP, but before they do get there test levels checked, than 6 months later after no ROP, check again ... thats the only way, and dont take any of those supplements.

This is true. However, I will not be conducting any studies on myself as I would not want any of my levels to drop or even try.People need to do the tests before even starting in the first place on the ROP or any supplements.