For those who lift/bodybuild and have used both of these supplements, is it advisable to use both at the same time?? If so, in what way/combination to both produce optimum results as well as to be safe in terms of possible side effects? I have just bought both at GNC and have been told that it is fine to stack them.......would appreciate anyones input on this and thanks!
Hydroxycut and NO2........
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I'd say don't use either and that you wasted your money. Hydroxycut pretty much won't do anything, and NO2 is only going to give you a noticeable effect if your diet and training is already really good, which, if you're asking about these supps, I can pretty much assume that they aren't.
What's your diet and training like, what are your stats (height and weight), what can you lift in the Big 3 and military press, and what are your goals?
What's your diet and training like, what are your stats (height and weight), what can you lift in the Big 3 and military press, and what are your goals?
Well, my diet and exercise program are actually quite good in fact. I run 3-4 miles a day with a time of just under 7 min per mile (in the morning after waking), and lift for about 2- 2/2 hours in the afternoon. I train legs and abs on mon/wed/fri and arms/upper body on tues/thursday with optional saturday (but usually go lightweight reps on saturday).
I am 5 8 and 1/2 and can bench my weight which is 165, 3 sets of 10.
I don't eat Mcdonalds or anything like that, and have cut out soda successfully for the last 3 weeks. I am mainly trying to bulk up a bit (say about 15 pounds) as well as cut up. I have had success with Ripped Fuel (ephredra free) in the past however wanted to put on some mass while still getting a bit more ripped and decided to get some NO2 as many seem to have had good results with this product. I have used Hydroxycut once in the past but didn't know about stacking, so I thought I would ask on this forum and one others since I don't frequent many.........
Any help/input provided would be great and thanks for your time..........
I am 5 8 and 1/2 and can bench my weight which is 165, 3 sets of 10.
I don't eat Mcdonalds or anything like that, and have cut out soda successfully for the last 3 weeks. I am mainly trying to bulk up a bit (say about 15 pounds) as well as cut up. I have had success with Ripped Fuel (ephredra free) in the past however wanted to put on some mass while still getting a bit more ripped and decided to get some NO2 as many seem to have had good results with this product. I have used Hydroxycut once in the past but didn't know about stacking, so I thought I would ask on this forum and one others since I don't frequent many.........
Any help/input provided would be great and thanks for your time..........
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2 hours is way too long to lift weights. And 5-6 days per week is too much. You're probably overtraining pretty heavily. Post your exact workout schedule (lifts, sets/reps etc) and I can help you better. Also your caloric intake and macro breakdown. This is where you gain size/lose fat, NOT in the supplements you take.
Supps are icing on the cake, but if the cake sucks, no amount of icing is going to make it taste good, you follow?
Supps are icing on the cake, but if the cake sucks, no amount of icing is going to make it taste good, you follow?
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I might suggest, and I think Cyclops will back me on this: Hot-Rox. I take these and I love them. Setting aside the fact that they help you lift weights they also give a hell of a boost of energy on just have the reccomended serving.
Also, I second Cyclops on the supplements and the cake. There was a point at which I was taking: Green Tea, Hot-Rox, ZMA, Hoodia, Ginseng, CLA, Pyruvate, 1.6g of Calcium... everything you can think of. I was healthy as hell, but I lost zero weight.
One last thing then I'll shut up: The NO2, did you get the pills or the powder? The pills will do jack for you (Which is to say, nothing), the powder, however, has 3g of Argenine and 3g of Creatine, both of which are very good for you. The Argenine has been shown my a lot of MOS members to have a positive effect on P.E., and the 3g of Creatine is the perfect amount, as that's all the body can really store. So I'd suggest that if you got the powder, use it in your post workout shake, then half an hour later do your P.E. routine. Just a thought.
Also, I second Cyclops on the supplements and the cake. There was a point at which I was taking: Green Tea, Hot-Rox, ZMA, Hoodia, Ginseng, CLA, Pyruvate, 1.6g of Calcium... everything you can think of. I was healthy as hell, but I lost zero weight.
One last thing then I'll shut up: The NO2, did you get the pills or the powder? The pills will do jack for you (Which is to say, nothing), the powder, however, has 3g of Argenine and 3g of Creatine, both of which are very good for you. The Argenine has been shown my a lot of MOS members to have a positive effect on P.E., and the 3g of Creatine is the perfect amount, as that's all the body can really store. So I'd suggest that if you got the powder, use it in your post workout shake, then half an hour later do your P.E. routine. Just a thought.
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Good suggestions, harmonic. I'll admit I don't have very much experience with NO2 but from everything I've read it seems nearly worthless. If I understand correctly, it's to enhance "the pump," but really the pump doesn't have much at all to do with real muscle growth. It's all about food intake and heavy weights.
HOT-ROX...rocks. :D I recently did a cutting diet, and managed to gain a bit of LBathmate at the same time as losing some fat, and I believe it was due to the HOT-ROX. And yes, they do give a good energy boost, definitely.
However, I wouldn't recommend quitting the ZMA. It's a great supplement, and well worth the very small price (Biotest ZMA is $9 for a month's supply).
HOT-ROX...rocks. :D I recently did a cutting diet, and managed to gain a bit of LBathmate at the same time as losing some fat, and I believe it was due to the HOT-ROX. And yes, they do give a good energy boost, definitely.
However, I wouldn't recommend quitting the ZMA. It's a great supplement, and well worth the very small price (Biotest ZMA is $9 for a month's supply).
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Did I reccoment cutting the ZMA out? I didn't mean to. God knows I notice nothing with it, however I've found that most of the results of Vitamins and such are subtle. Which brings up another good point:
mkay45: What vitamins are you taking? If you're not on anything right now I really reccomend GreenSource from VitaminWorld (www.vitaminworld.com) And an Amino Complex would probably go a long way, I use Amino 1500 at one third recomended dosage.
Just a few thoughts.
mkay45: What vitamins are you taking? If you're not on anything right now I really reccomend GreenSource from VitaminWorld (www.vitaminworld.com) And an Amino Complex would probably go a long way, I use Amino 1500 at one third recomended dosage.
Just a few thoughts.
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if your looking to cut hydroxycut (since it has no ephedra) blows, if you want a good thermogen get thermorexin or xenedrine (sp?) and if your looking to bulk dont do either. 2 hours a day lifting is in't alot and neither is 6 to 5 days depending on what body part ur working
Thanks for all the input, I appreciate the response......
This is what I have been doing.....take hydroxycut in the morning before breakfast and run 3-4 miles, come home and take the NO2 before lunch, then take NO2 once more before lifting.
In terms of the claims NO2 makes, I have been able to lift on average 20 lbs more per rep set in just two days of taking it, and have had less muscle fatigue. My arms also do look noticeably bigger (no this is not a plug for NO2, just what I have noticed personally).
For arms/upper body, I do 3 sets of 10 bench, 3 sets of 15 dips, 3 sets of 10 biceps curls, 3 sets of 10 lat pulldowns, 3 sets of 10 pec flies, 3 sets of 10 forearms and 3 sets of 10 rowing
For lower body/legs I do 3 sets of 15 squat, 6 sets of leg lifting (can't really describe machine), 3 sets of 15 calfs, 3 sets of back lift, and then do abs, which I use 3 sets of 15 on ab crunch machine, and then 3 sets of boxer decline situps (ie, left, right, middle).....
I had been taking ripped fuel ephradra free, but had taking it for months and wanted to switch to hydroxycut
thanks again for input , any more would be greatly appreciated!
This is what I have been doing.....take hydroxycut in the morning before breakfast and run 3-4 miles, come home and take the NO2 before lunch, then take NO2 once more before lifting.
In terms of the claims NO2 makes, I have been able to lift on average 20 lbs more per rep set in just two days of taking it, and have had less muscle fatigue. My arms also do look noticeably bigger (no this is not a plug for NO2, just what I have noticed personally).
For arms/upper body, I do 3 sets of 10 bench, 3 sets of 15 dips, 3 sets of 10 biceps curls, 3 sets of 10 lat pulldowns, 3 sets of 10 pec flies, 3 sets of 10 forearms and 3 sets of 10 rowing
For lower body/legs I do 3 sets of 15 squat, 6 sets of leg lifting (can't really describe machine), 3 sets of 15 calfs, 3 sets of back lift, and then do abs, which I use 3 sets of 15 on ab crunch machine, and then 3 sets of boxer decline situps (ie, left, right, middle).....
I had been taking ripped fuel ephradra free, but had taking it for months and wanted to switch to hydroxycut
thanks again for input , any more would be greatly appreciated!
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If you're noticing a difference with NO2 and you like it, I won't suggest that you quit it.
If you've been doing that same workout for a while, or something very similar to it (3 sets, high reps, etc.), I'd recommend changing it up. Work on increasing strength for a while. I also notice a lack of overhead pressing. It's been said that the military press is the squat of the upper body. Those are words to live by, IMO. I also don't see any deadlifting, which should be a staple in any lifting program.
Here's a good routine that combines the low-rep strength work with higher-rep hypertrophy work.
M Upper Body (horizontal plane)
5x5 Bench Press
5x5 Bent Over Row
5x5 Skull Crusher
5x5 EZ Bar Curl
T Lower Body
4x8 Squat
4x8 Standing Calf Raise
4x8 Cable Crunches or Swiss Ball Crunches
W off (cardio/GPP is ok to do on this day if you like)
TH Upper Body (vertical plane)
4x8 Military Press
4x8 Pull-ups (weighted if you can)
4x8 Weighted Dips
4x8 Hammer Curl
F Lower Body
5x5 Deadlift
5x5 Seated Calf Raises
5x5 Decline Bench Sit-up
Sat off (cardio/GPP is ok)
Sun off completely
Don't go to failure unless it's the last rep of the last set. Leave about 2 reps "in the bag" for each set. The point with this program is to build up your strength, so failure training is not conducive to that goal. If you want to do "forearms," work that in wherever you want, but I'd recommend replacing that with grip work such as Captains of Crush grippers, plate pinches, farmer's walks, etc. Remember, this is a strength "mesocycle." Build up your strength, and then if you decide to go back to your standard bodybuilding-style routine, you'll have a better strength base to work with, and thus, more muscle stimulation.
After about 4 weeks of this program, switch the set/rep schemes. So Monday would be the same lifts, but with 4x8 instead of 5x5. Etc. I think you'll be surprised at how much stronger you are after 8 weeks. Of course, if you like it, you can do another strength program after that and still build some serious muscle. Don't fall prey to the myth that you have to do high reps to build muscle. Low reps and high sets will build muscle too, and maybe even better than high reps. But do what you like doing because results can be had either way. That said, it's also important not to totally neglect either of them. If you like high reps, your training should also have periods of low rep strength training. The key is to change it up.
For your cardio and GPP, do whatever you like doing. There's a pretty strong argument that sprints, HIIT and the like are superior for burning fat while maintaining muscle, but the truth is, if you don't like doing it, then why bother. I personally don't like distance running, so I do the higher-intensity stuff, but just stick with what you like.
Keep in mind that the most important aspect of meeting your body composition goals is diet. Keep a food log, it only takes a couple extra minutes per day and after a while it becomes second nature and you won't have to look up nutritional info much because you'll know it. Make sure you're getting 1-2g of protein per pound of bodyweight whether your bulking or cutting. Eat healthy fats and supplement your diet with fish oil. It's not expensive and the health benefits are numerous. Eat lots of fruits and veggies, especially spinach, broccoli, salads, etc.
Did I miss anything? :D
If you've been doing that same workout for a while, or something very similar to it (3 sets, high reps, etc.), I'd recommend changing it up. Work on increasing strength for a while. I also notice a lack of overhead pressing. It's been said that the military press is the squat of the upper body. Those are words to live by, IMO. I also don't see any deadlifting, which should be a staple in any lifting program.
Here's a good routine that combines the low-rep strength work with higher-rep hypertrophy work.
M Upper Body (horizontal plane)
5x5 Bench Press
5x5 Bent Over Row
5x5 Skull Crusher
5x5 EZ Bar Curl
T Lower Body
4x8 Squat
4x8 Standing Calf Raise
4x8 Cable Crunches or Swiss Ball Crunches
W off (cardio/GPP is ok to do on this day if you like)
TH Upper Body (vertical plane)
4x8 Military Press
4x8 Pull-ups (weighted if you can)
4x8 Weighted Dips
4x8 Hammer Curl
F Lower Body
5x5 Deadlift
5x5 Seated Calf Raises
5x5 Decline Bench Sit-up
Sat off (cardio/GPP is ok)
Sun off completely
Don't go to failure unless it's the last rep of the last set. Leave about 2 reps "in the bag" for each set. The point with this program is to build up your strength, so failure training is not conducive to that goal. If you want to do "forearms," work that in wherever you want, but I'd recommend replacing that with grip work such as Captains of Crush grippers, plate pinches, farmer's walks, etc. Remember, this is a strength "mesocycle." Build up your strength, and then if you decide to go back to your standard bodybuilding-style routine, you'll have a better strength base to work with, and thus, more muscle stimulation.
After about 4 weeks of this program, switch the set/rep schemes. So Monday would be the same lifts, but with 4x8 instead of 5x5. Etc. I think you'll be surprised at how much stronger you are after 8 weeks. Of course, if you like it, you can do another strength program after that and still build some serious muscle. Don't fall prey to the myth that you have to do high reps to build muscle. Low reps and high sets will build muscle too, and maybe even better than high reps. But do what you like doing because results can be had either way. That said, it's also important not to totally neglect either of them. If you like high reps, your training should also have periods of low rep strength training. The key is to change it up.
For your cardio and GPP, do whatever you like doing. There's a pretty strong argument that sprints, HIIT and the like are superior for burning fat while maintaining muscle, but the truth is, if you don't like doing it, then why bother. I personally don't like distance running, so I do the higher-intensity stuff, but just stick with what you like.
Keep in mind that the most important aspect of meeting your body composition goals is diet. Keep a food log, it only takes a couple extra minutes per day and after a while it becomes second nature and you won't have to look up nutritional info much because you'll know it. Make sure you're getting 1-2g of protein per pound of bodyweight whether your bulking or cutting. Eat healthy fats and supplement your diet with fish oil. It's not expensive and the health benefits are numerous. Eat lots of fruits and veggies, especially spinach, broccoli, salads, etc.
Did I miss anything? :D
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muscle-tech supplements are all crap. any person who is experienced in bodybuilding knows this.
fat burner's are also something you shouldn't spend money on. maybe some sort of energy pill is fine or whatever, but there is no such thing as a magic pill.
no2 is too expensive... if you want to try something do nitrix. nitric oxide basically is supposed to keep you pumped and energized. once you are off it, there are no effects and A LOT of people who try NO products don't see any effects at all.
fat burner's are also something you shouldn't spend money on. maybe some sort of energy pill is fine or whatever, but there is no such thing as a magic pill.
no2 is too expensive... if you want to try something do nitrix. nitric oxide basically is supposed to keep you pumped and energized. once you are off it, there are no effects and A LOT of people who try NO products don't see any effects at all.
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lol hot rox u get 80 caps for like 90 bucks, screw that. To be honest Im starting a ECA stack better and cheaper. does anyone have a link on the dosage and where to get the ephedra from? thanks
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Mase64 said:
get the fuck out you serious? how many caps you get? do you got a link?
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Mase64 said:
and i see your from jersey too, passaic county myself even though i am at college now, where can i get that over the counter or do i need to get it from the net?
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Mase64 said:
i go to penn state, the passaic valley area u
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