ADS/Extender?

Hello everyone! Sorry for being not so active lately, work takes most of my time and I got no time for PE/MOS right now . But it is soon to be over and I will have a lot of time to PE and be around . Now, I am considering purchasing the Phallosan forte to get a good all day stretch. I have a hanger and will do a length concentrated routine. So far my plan is to hang for around 3-4 hours a day and use the Phallosan for the rest of the time I am not in the hanger. I am THINKING about getting a SG as well to extend after the hanging session and then use the PF for the nighttime. Sounds great in my head- 24/7 PE with some good 3-4 hour hanging a day, extending and ADS in the nighttime, BUT since the PF is too expensive (this piece of equipment I will purchase), the SG might not be a good choice (since it will further empty my pocket). Can any of you please give me an opinion on how does the PF compare to the SG for DAYTIME use. I know that PF is the best ADS on the market and a perfect choice for PE during ones sleep, but how good is it for daytime use? Any answer would be really helpful, because I am in a dilemma now. Thank you very much everyone !!!

I love my extender for daytime and nighttime use. Just cant use the extender at night if you like to lay face down. I use a slider extender i got from Ebay for $40. You may have seen me say this before in other threads. I always do when someone has a question like yours that involve extenders. i find it to be far superior to other extenders such as the SG. I apply it at a low tension and then twist the nuts until i get a good strong tension for day wearing. at night i only extend out a little bit. Below are links to vids I made with my extender

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Miracle-Sli...1020&clkid=8944674502689225263&_qi=RTM1562570

http://www.xvideos.com/video8456649/slider_extender_video#_tabEmbed

http://www.xvideos.com/video8457240/concealed_extender

Hmmm, 40$ is not so bad I guess... And it does not look so bad... Is it fragile- easy to break? How long have you been using it- can it give you a strong stretch on max tension?

P.S- So I heard that there are 3 types- pring, light weight spring, and screw type. Which one do you use?

P.P.S- Edit- I saw yours is the screw type one

I am really looking forward to someone using the Phallosan for night and the SizeGenetics for night as this would be practically a 24 hour session, minus breaks. I think the man who does this first will realize the greatest length gains possible.

cant use the extender at night if you like to lay face down.

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You should be able to do this if it's pointed straight down towards your feet, but ... if you roll over it will tend to either slip off and/or eventually torsion the hinge-points sideways enough that something on the extender will break, ... and if you do a lot pointing straight down it will probably alter your erection angle to be less high than when you started. All of the above personal experience. If you do it, mix it into other things and only do it once in a while as a changeup .. not all the time.

the screw type one

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These have two types of character. If you're just sitting in one place kindof immobile then they can have the highest force available in the (more-or-less) original medical stretcher format because you can just keep applying tension with the screws until it's pretty high ...

...but ...


... having no springy ability, if you change the angle it's pointed, by moving around, they will tend to force themselves loose and pop off.

Springy versions are better at moving without popping off, but usually can't reach decent tension forces. The Phallosan's ability to be springy but still hit poundages over 6lbs is really impressive. Also it's practically impossible to make a well-designed vac unit accidentally pop off, whereas those older strap styles pop off all the time and pretty quickly also start to degrade the ridges that hold it in place. You'll tend to pick the same one ridge which is in the correct place for your size, but the forces hit it at angles and after a while will cause it to tear and then to not hold as well. The other ridges are still good, but they're in the wrong places for the right fit, making them pointless.

Vac is the only great answer to all of this, and Springy too if it can do decent tension forces. I'd advise not wasting money on the seemingly cheaper (but far inferior) eBay unit and saving up until you can get the Forte.

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You should be able to do this if it's pointed straight down towards your feet, but ... if you roll over it will tend to either slip off and/or eventually torsion the hinge-points sideways enough that something on the extender will break, ... and if you do a lot pointing straight down it will probably alter your erection angle to be less high than when you started. All of the above personal experience. If you do it, mix it into other things and only do it once in a while as a changeup .. not all the time.



These have two types of character. If you're just sitting in one place kindof immobile then they can have the highest force available in the (more-or-less) original medical stretcher format because you can just keep applying tension with the screws until it's pretty high ...

...but ...


... having no springy ability, if you change the angle it's pointed, by moving around, they will tend to force themselves loose and pop off.

Springy versions are better at moving without popping off, but usually can't reach decent tension forces. The Phallosan's ability to be springy but still hit poundages over 6lbs is really impressive. Also it's practically impossible to make a well-designed vac unit accidentally pop off, whereas those older strap styles pop off all the time and pretty quickly also start to degrade the ridges that hold it in place. You'll tend to pick the same one ridge which is in the correct place for your size, but the forces hit it at angles and after a while will cause it to tear and then to not hold as well. The other ridges are still good, but they're in the wrong places for the right fit, making them pointless.

Vac is the only great answer to all of this, and Springy too if it can do decent tension forces. I'd advise not wasting money on the seemingly cheaper (but far inferior) eBay unit and saving up until you can get the Forte.

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Yea, I see what you mean, but I am planning on purchasing the PF anyways, I am just wondering whether it is good to further spend money to get an Externder such the SG...

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These have two types of character. If you're just sitting in one place kindof immobile then they can have the highest force available in the (more-or-less) original medical stretcher format because you can just keep applying tension with the screws until it's pretty high ...

...but ...


... having no springy ability, if you change the angle it's pointed, by moving around, they will tend to force themselves loose and pop off.

Springy versions are better at moving without popping off, but usually can't reach decent tension forces. The Phallosan's ability to be springy but still hit poundages over 6lbs is really impressive. Also it's practically impossible to make a well-designed vac unit accidentally pop off, whereas those older strap styles pop off all the time and pretty quickly also start to degrade the ridges that hold it in place. You'll tend to pick the same one ridge which is in the correct place for your size, but the forces hit it at angles and after a while will cause it to tear and then to not hold as well. The other ridges are still good, but they're in the wrong places for the right fit, making them pointless.

Vac is the only great answer to all of this, and Springy too if it can do decent tension forces. I'd advise not wasting money on the seemingly cheaper (but far inferior) eBay unit and saving up until you can get the Forte.

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Fortunately I have no issues with mine popping off at high tension. I am able to move freely and haven't slipped out since using tape to secure the strap over my wrap in the last 6+ months. I assure anyone who considers saving money on a properly priced/durable extender like this one will enjoy the benefits. By properly priced I mean any extenders that cost over $50 are marked up drastically and to much.

As for the springy ability you mentioned it is unneeded with a slider extender b/c even if it did come with springs i would be able extend out to a force that would close the springs leaving the springy "benefit" useless.

I deffinitely am interested in trying the Phallosan one day...my only concern is at long periods of use at a high tension, like i can get with my extender, will lead to a blister from the vacuum or that i wont be able to get the tension I want

haven't slipped out since using tape to secure the strap over my wrap in the last 6+ months

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That's a nice kludge for a system that, on its own, isn't made well.

I assure anyone who considers saving money on a properly priced/durable extender like this one

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Now run the thing for just three weeks or so without the tape holding it together and watch the strap's 'durability' evaporate. Impressive.

xtend out to a force that would close the springs leaving the springy "benefit" useless.

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The best use of these in the newer better methodolgies like SRT is as a tractive healing device .. not as a perpetual exercise device. Lighter poundages, like the original medical stretchers that went to about 2.2 lbs, could be worn for inordinate amounts of time because they didn't go too high. Being in a higher-force continuous exercise state leaves no real off time for healing/gaining. I've used and modified most of everything available for over a decade, the Phallosan ... (which I haven't used but I recognize the science) .. while pricey .. has a lot of got-it-right/didn't get-it-wrong going on for reasons that the new methodologies here back up.

my only concern is at long periods of use at a high tension, like i can get with my extender, will lead to a blister from the vacuum

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Likely it would ... that's -one- of the reasons that it only uses medium tensions. After using pyramided lighter settings for a couple of weeks to let the glans adapt to the vacuum you should be able to go wide open with it no problems. I've slept in modified older systems in those ranges for weeks at a time. If anything it's like a free extra mini-Uli device that subtly bells the glans bigger while also stretching the shaft.

or that i wont be able to get the tension I want

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Just repeating myself to finish the thought ... I've used (among everything else too) screw tension stretchers going back to 2004, their flaws are as I'd described earlier, and the tension 'you want' ... probably in the range of 10 to 15 lbs ... are too high for tractive healing, getting into the lower ranges of active exercise forces you'd get by Hanging. Those are great ... and even higher still ... but at some point one also has to stop active-exercise so they can recover and supercompensate.

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That's a nice kludge for a system that, on its own, isn't made well.
Now run the thing for just three weeks or so without the tape holding it together and watch the strap's 'durability' evaporate. Impressive.

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I have been using this same one for over a year now. It's durability is yet to evaporate even when i wasn't using tape. I guess you could call that impressive if impressed by it.

The tape is just a modification just like a wrap is. When i first used an extender 8 years ago i did it with a noose skin to skin the first time trying it out...learned that wasn't ideal and moved forward to trying various other comfort methods. That ebay slider extender lasted over 6 years until i stepped on it (off and on use). SG even developed a 16-way comfort system.

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The best use of these in the newer better methodolgies like SRT is as a tractive healing device .. not as a perpetual exercise device. Lighter poundages, like the original medical stretchers that went to about 2.2 lbs, could be worn for inordinate amounts of time because they didn't go too high. Being in a higher-force continuous exercise state leaves no real off time for healing/gaining.

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My apologies as it appears my talking of the great mobility I have even at high tension in my extender and being able to close the spring made you think I only use it at the highest force possible 24 hours/day 7day/week. a twist of the nuts immediately decreases tension and i continue about my day in the healing/gaining state you speak of unless of course i apply it after a nice LM session just out to this healing/gaining sweet spot.

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I've used and modified most of everything available for over a decade, the Phallosan ... (which I haven't used but I recognize the science) .. while pricey .. has a lot of got-it-right/didn't get-it-wrong going on for reasons that the new methodologies here back up.

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I to have used and modified many PE tools, including all the tools sold on this website, for 9 year this december. I still remember getting my first extender in December at the age of 20. I have not tried the Phallosan either but plan to as it seems like a great tool. The science behind it does make sense. All of PE is lacking evidence based research. The Phallosan does have 2 studies listed on it's site as I am sure you know. One states results were gathered by questionnaire and the other study states measurements were taken before and after but does not state if it was reported by the participants or actually measured by a clinician. Measurement by a clinician is of course the ideal or with a clinician present to verify results (of course this comes with its difficulties...who wants someone in the room with you when you are trying to get hard to measure).

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but at some point one also has to stop active-exercise so they can recover and supercompensate.

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This goes without saying in these forums where SRT is so heavily promoted as it should be.

My only point in initially sharing here was to provide ZAM with helpful information on a tool that has proven to work extremely well for me. A tool that is very fairly priced, durable, and that through my experience I believe meets what he is looking for in an ADS. my point wasn't to have someone talk down to me about my taping mod or it's 'durability' and throw around a sarcastic "impressive". oh and can't forget the calling of my simple yet very effective tape modification a kludge. very rude.

I hope you found the information I and others have provided helpful ZAM I believe I answered all your questions in this post but to answer again quickly. it has proven very durable....have had it for over a year. I get a very strong tension when i want or a moderate tension when i am SRT'ing it up!

Zambro you sound like you're about to stretch the elasticity out of your penis until it's just dangling to the floor lol

Did hanging for you decrease EQ, increase EQ, or relatively the same. Because based on Redzulu's threads on ligament stretching, he said high intensity lig stretching for long durations weakens the lig, therefore decreasing EQ. He says it's best to do high intensity only for short reps such as 5 seconds or so.

But I'm also wondering what if you hang with light weights so that it's light-medium intensity for long durations, hereby avoiding possible damage from a heavy weight hanging stretch.

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Did hanging for you decrease EQ, increase EQ, or relatively the same. Because based on Redzulu's threads on ligament stretching, he said high intensity lig stretching for long durations weakens the lig, therefore decreasing EQ. He says it's best to do high intensity only for short reps such as 5 seconds or so.

But I'm also wondering what if you hang with light weights so that it's light-medium intensity for long durations, hereby avoiding possible damage from a heavy weight hanging stretch.

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has always increased EQ for me...only over doing it with clamping led to a bit of a reduction in EQ for me in the past. I was just doing to much to soon. toned it back and clamping hasn't negatively impacted my EQ at all since that one time

Thank you all for the helpful advices and time spent to help me . You sure helped me, thank you very much, again .

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dmoney101;598277 said:

Zambro you sound like you're about to stretch the elasticity out of your penis until it's just dangling to the floor lol

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I'm on my way !

k18;598284 said:

Did hanging for you decrease EQ, increase EQ, or relatively the same. Because based on Redzulu's threads on ligament stretching, he said high intensity lig stretching for long durations weakens the lig, therefore decreasing EQ. He says it's best to do high intensity only for short reps such as 5 seconds or so.

But I'm also wondering what if you hang with light weights so that it's light-medium intensity for long durations, hereby avoiding possible damage from a heavy weight hanging stretch.

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Well going to the big intensities is NOT something I would like to do with such a routine. I will start off LIGHTLY and SLOWLY move up to the big intensities. Starting off HARD is never a good idea- nor for gains or for overall penile health

Starting off hard just means less time before your gains stop and it becomes damn near impossible for you to get more because you can't pull any harder lol

Realllllly ? ...

Sometimes some people just don't mesh well.

My only point in initially sharing here was to provide ZAM with helpful information on a tool that has proven to work extremely well for me. A tool that is very fairly priced, durable, and that through my experience I believe meets what he is looking for in an ADS. my point wasn't to have someone talk down to me about my taping mod or it's 'durability'

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I was talking to him, too, ... you're the one that decided no one could coincidentally disagree with anything you said and had to address me instead of the subject.

Buttweeping over someone not agreeing with every letter that dribbled out of your mouth is hypocritical weak sauce, .. oh boo hoo, welcome to exactly what you did to my post. Earlier. And first.

Re-read (not you .. apparently you can't quite read .... I mean anyone bored enough to give a s--- about you and me bleating at each other) my first post above. It wasn't directed -at- you, and I wasn't the first one to employ snarky "quotes", and if anything the entire thing is a quintessential regular normal post from me.

Regarding my second post, the reply to you, I guess I'm waiting for someone to watch (instead of paint drying) the two and a half dreary minutes that it takes you to athletic tape (?) yourself into that eBay special and tell me to recant my use of the word Kludge.

Here is more of the confused eat-a-cake-and-have-it stuff of yours ..

I have been using this same one for over a year now. It's durability is yet to evaporate even when i wasn't using tape. I guess you could call that impressive if impressed by it.

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Umm, no, .. not actually impressed [with the competence, anyway] of anything you've said so far..

The tape is just a modification just like a wrap is.

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Modification of what? ... Apparently your, now 2nd, eBay special 'never pops loose and is indestructible' .. [you not realizing that you're outright admitting to my points about them from the first post, but then for some reason bitching at me about it] ... it's perfect, .. so why should anything need to be "modified".

You took this sentence of mine wrong ... it wasn't sarcasm ...

--That's a nice kludge for a system that, on its own, isn't made well.--

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It is a nice kludge .... the taping ... because otherwise it -will- pop loose .. particularly at any high force, and after a while it -will- rip out its best-fitting lug and be (on its own) useless. Which was all I'd originally said. Thanks for realizing, if only as a practical matter, by your modifications, that I'm correct.

Opinions and anecdotes are great, heck ... the plural of anecdote is data ... but I keep no truck with people 'correcting' me with non sequitur or irrelevant accostments based not on reality but rather their inability to listen, or comprehend, what I'd said in the first place, works my balls ... and not in the preferable chicks trying to outdo each other kind of way.

It's not a pissing contest... [If it were, you'd have to stand two and half inches closer to the target] ..

You said something to the original poster. I'd said something to the original poster. Stuff like that happens on a public BBS. Hey, who knew?

Which .. after your reply .. brings to mind, .. since you're knocking on almost a decade of PE yourself .. and you've had your screw-type stretcher(s) for seven years apparently ... two questions:

- WTF size were you when you started out??? ...

- And if that's not a reallllllllllllly small figure, then why should anyone listen to you about PE tools or methodology whatsoever??

(Bear in mind, those are rhetorical. Don't feel as though .. at this point .. I care what the answers (/excuses) are.. )

provide ZAM with helpful information on a tool that has proven to work extremely well for me

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Yeah, it helped you hit 6.5" in only seven years. Where can I sign up?

I thought -I- was taking my sweet time. Counting all the periods when I was taking multi-week and even multi-month breaks, from your recounts here it sounds like you've spent like 300 or 400 percent the effort getting one-fourth of the results. Congrats?

I hit my goal (which was essentially the same as your goal) six or seven years ago, and then went an entire inch past it, and even that was quite a while back. Don't try to school me, bro, you're not as good at -that- as you think you are, either. If you want to spend time doing -something- useful then for pete's sakes don't yammer at me, again, ... go read the Plateau Thread on page 2.

Zam -
I know that PF is the best ADS on the market and a perfect choice for PE during ones sleep, but how good is it for daytime use?

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There are better things to do in daytime use than stretchers. If you're going to use stretchers as a daytime tool then do it as a 'double-split' of the nighttime use with what it's good at ... as a complement to more effective stressors, with light to medium forces to effect tractive healing. They're a crappy active-exercise tool, .. as it seems someone has spent seven years demonstrating.

Of course pretty much anything and any mix of things will cause some gains across -enough- time. The question is what is your time worth .. and do you want your time doing PE to be long ... or more specifically your penis?

Here is a couple videos I just posted in another thread of the SizeGenetics and VLC worn under shorts as an ADS. You really can't tell he is wearing it.

[jw]http://mosvideo.s3.amazonaws.com/1407991961-Supra_Full-4.mp4[/jw]

[jw]http://mosvideo.s3.amazonaws.com/1407961582-MVI_8030.mp4[/jw]

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There are better things to do in daytime use than stretchers. If you're going to use stretchers as a daytime tool then do it as a 'double-split' of the nighttime use with what it's good at ... as a complement to more effective stressors, with light to medium forces to effect tractive healing. They're a crappy active-exercise tool, .. as it seems someone has spent seven years demonstrating.

Of course pretty much anything and any mix of things will cause some gains across -enough- time. The question is what is your time worth .. and do you want your time doing PE to be long ... or more specifically your penis?

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What do you think is better? I am open to advices

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Realllllly ? ...

Sometimes some people just don't mesh well.



I was talking to him, too, ... you're the one that decided no one could coincidentally disagree with anything you said and had to address me instead of the subject.

Buttweeping over someone not agreeing with every letter that dribbled out of your mouth is hypocritical weak sauce, .. oh boo hoo, welcome to exactly what you did to my post. Earlier. And first.

Re-read (not you .. apparently you can't quite read .... I mean anyone bored enough to give a s--- about you and me bleating at each other) my first post above. It wasn't directed -at- you, and I wasn't the first one to employ snarky "quotes", and if anything the entire thing is a quintessential regular normal post from me.

Regarding my second post, the reply to you, I guess I'm waiting for someone to watch (instead of paint drying) the two and a half dreary minutes that it takes you to athletic tape (?) yourself into that eBay special and tell me to recant my use of the word Kludge.

Here is more of the confused eat-a-cake-and-have-it stuff of yours ..



Umm, no, .. not actually impressed [with the competence, anyway] of anything you've said so far..



Modification of what? ... Apparently your, now 2nd, eBay special 'never pops loose and is indestructible' .. [you not realizing that you're outright admitting to my points about them from the first post, but then for some reason bitching at me about it] ... it's perfect, .. so why should anything need to be "modified".

You took this sentence of mine wrong ... it wasn't sarcasm ...



It is a nice kludge .... the taping ... because otherwise it -will- pop loose .. particularly at any high force, and after a while it -will- rip out its best-fitting lug and be (on its own) useless. Which was all I'd originally said. Thanks for realizing, if only as a practical matter, by your modifications, that I'm correct.

Opinions and anecdotes are great, heck ... the plural of anecdote is data ... but I keep no truck with people 'correcting' me with non sequitur or irrelevant accostments based not on reality but rather their inability to listen, or comprehend, what I'd said in the first place, works my balls ... and not in the preferable chicks trying to outdo each other kind of way.

It's not a pissing contest... [If it were, you'd have to stand two and half inches closer to the target] ..

You said something to the original poster. I'd said something to the original poster. Stuff like that happens on a public BBS. Hey, who knew?

Which .. after your reply .. brings to mind, .. since you're knocking on almost a decade of PE yourself .. and you've had your screw-type stretcher(s) for seven years apparently ... two questions:

- WTF size were you when you started out??? ...

- And if that's not a reallllllllllllly small figure, then why should anyone listen to you about PE tools or methodology whatsoever??

(Bear in mind, those are rhetorical. Don't feel as though .. at this point .. I care what the answers (/excuses) are.. )



Yeah, it helped you hit 6.5" in only seven years. Where can I sign up?

I thought -I- was taking my sweet time. Counting all the periods when I was taking multi-week and even multi-month breaks, from your recounts here it sounds like you've spent like 300 or 400 percent the effort getting one-fourth of the results. Congrats?

I hit my goal (which was essentially the same as your goal) six or seven years ago, and then went an entire inch past it, and even that was quite a while back. Don't try to school me, bro, you're not as good at -that- as you think you are, either. If you want to spend time doing -something- useful then for pete's sakes don't yammer at me, again, ... go read the Plateau Thread on page 2.



There are better things to do in daytime use than stretchers. If you're going to use stretchers as a daytime tool then do it as a 'double-split' of the nighttime use with what it's good at ... as a complement to more effective stressors, with light to medium forces to effect tractive healing. They're a crappy active-exercise tool, .. as it seems someone has spent seven years demonstrating.

Of course pretty much anything and any mix of things will cause some gains across -enough- time. The question is what is your time worth .. and do you want your time doing PE to be long ... or more specifically your penis?

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you are an oddly sensitive guy. I was only pointing out that the things you pointed out happening with screw extender I have been fortunate enough never to have happen. i only ever spoke towards the subject of my great experience with this tool (unless speaking about your sarcasm or rudeness once or twice). Everything I said was in response to your opinions/experience b/c none of them were the case for me and it was important for anyone who reads the posts on this equipment to know some tools work for some and not others and even though someone says these thing may happen. they may also not. even though my messages are in response to what you say they are for everyone to read so they know they could also have a good experience with this tool. or maybe it ends up for them like it did for you. sorry you thought it was all about me wanting to make people think what you were saying was wrong.

I never told Zam or you that what I was saying was carved in stone. you think when i first responded back to you that i was correcting you. no i was sharing that the things you said did happen or would happen, did not happen to me. not have the tape there for 3 weeks never led to it falling apart. no ridges wore down. it doesn't pop off when i am moving. has proven very durable. i am no longer at 6.5'' either as ive been consistent . yay for me.

I never thought you were disagreeing with me. you were sharing your experience with me and Zam just as i was mine. Your use of buttweeping should have been directed to your yourself.

hey Zam...Do you know what equipment are you going to be buying?