VACHANGER: any one gain using lower weights (5 lbs and under) and longer times?

stillwantmore2;675903 said:
$119-$140 for a hanger with a weight limit of 10lbs for most men before they start having to deal with blister problems...ouch! My hanger is only $49.99 and never caused a blister. You can also adapt over time to more weight, as you are supposed to do in order to keep gaining. Vac hangers are a "cool idea" at best. They are definitely not a long term PE solution. Maybe as a post workout add on to keep you stretched out a lower weights below 10lbs. However, where are the guys with the gains from the vac hangers after all these years? Fewer and farther between than the 'uneducated' guys with the 'outdated' compression hangers.
I can just hear a woman asking...hmmm....what's that blister on your penis baby? STD???? Eww.
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Compression style hangers have been around WAAAAAAAAY longer so of course more results exist. A lot more men have of course reported making gains with compression style hangers then vacuum hangers and a lot more men have said they haven't gained with compression style hangers then have shared not gaining with vachangers as well. I believe more and more positive results with vacuum style hangers will continue to be shared as time goes on. And more negative will as well.

But with that said 99% of the reports will be completely anecdotal and have no evidence to support the claims of making gains with vacuum hangers just as most gains with all tools lack evidence.

And it's easy to go over 10 lbs with a vacuum hanger. Water and build up slowly just like you have to with a compression hanger. It just allows me to hang for 60 minutes straight and I don't have to use a bunch of material every 20 minutes to re wrap while restoring circulation.. I show that with picture proof in post #12. It's funny I have never seen any men who claim to hang super heavy (35 lbs+) share pics or video of it. The most I have seen is 27lbs with a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]lengthmaster[/words] and that was in a video by me. I also had a pic of me hanging 23 lbs with my snakehanger. It might have been 25lbs I was hanging with the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words], I forget.
 
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Thousands of years ago today I predicted of the false prophet vac-hanger. This scourge must be eradicated from the brotherhood. Only [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] should be preached as its a real company unlike autoextender (which is clearly affiliated with plungersfakes).

You guys I'm super serial, if you think you're gonna hang actual weights from that shit, and gain then your just starting out. Once a month has passed you will need to up the weights, and be frustrated that you didn't go for big boy tools. Don't go with fakes, purchase the cream of the cake [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]lengthmaster[/words].
 
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I'm really interested in your water-based hanging method youknowme123321 since I have the LG Hanger as well. I have had 3 blisters including 1 huge one and now every time I hang, I have significant deep blue/purple bruising along the tip of the glans around my urethra.

To be clear, you suck the air out of the chamber with your mouth? I don't use the pump that came with the hanger then? I apologize if this is obvious.
 
johng6;676802 said:
I'm really interested in your water-based hanging method youknowme123321 since I have the LG Hanger as well. I have had 3 blisters including 1 huge one and now every time I hang, I have significant deep blue/purple bruising along the tip of the glans around my urethra.

To be clear, you suck the air out of the chamber with your mouth? I don't use the pump that came with the hanger then? I apologize if this is obvious.
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Yes with your mouth. Just enough so that practically no water is left in the chamber. There is usually a small amount of air left. I'll probably make the water videos sooner then next month. When I do you'll be able to find it here.

You may be increasing your weight to quickly
 
LG hanger has been on the market per se for over 2 years now. Plenty of time for documentation of measured gains. Time to start collecting threads and making evaluations as to actual effectiveness. I nominate YKM since he's got his finger on the sphincter of the vacuum hanger thing. The only "results" threads I am able to so far turn up on the LG are men talking about how they can use it to hang for hours on end and how great things feel. Those are not results in my book. At the end of the day, and to be fair and honest, the only thing that counts as results is measured gains. I hate to keep coming off so biased against vac hangers, because I really wish they were the "next leap forward" as the LG makes likes to claim, but this is the "Max Vac" in concept all over again with new paint on the walls in my opinion. Made "custom" by a "master machinist", or not. I'm just playing devils' advocate. If someone can do the footwork and find more than a couple actual results threads where the guy has used the LG either exclusively, or in addition to a routine and had measured length increases, please share them.

Moderators and Admins from PE gym (vested interests) do not count as it is in their best interest to help promote the device.

It's not fair to anyone in the PE community to push the "latest" thing in PE devices just because the guy/s selling it can afford to pay big money to promote it on places like PE gym. Especially if the actual results are anecdotal. We all have to keep in mind, just because a "new" product has a big marketing budget behind it and a large forum/site promoting it, does not mean it is an effective product.
 
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Be serious man this LG hanger thing has been put to sleep XD. Still keep the onslaught coming as there may be young minds that haven't seen the light. *for the emperor*
 
if YKM can show my how to hang 13-15 lb with the LG hanger it will be amazing. I would use it as a post workout, 60 min straight hang with 13lb. That is a very good addition to my routine. some times my penis skin is fatigu and do not like to get wrapt, sometimes i am not in the mood for wraping and do the regular hanging, then Vacum hanging with 15lb could come in.

Be positive guys, this could be a good thing, at least it cant be that bad
 
I'm being positive. I'm asking for transparency and validation showing results from people who have had time to see results.
 
It can be that bad unless you treat PE like a hobby more than like a productive mission. Some people become 'institutionalized' meaning they are so conditioned to the prison life that they cant function in normal society.
This is similar to what happens with crazy tube-packers who drool over the idea of only packing tubes all day everyday. (Just like the vac-hanger guys who only want to hang all day without real results just because)

Don't get me wrong I enjoy doing PE, and I like the burn I get when I'm really hitting the tissues hard. Only I enjoy it not because of anything more than knowing ill gain.
 
stillwantmore2;677575 said:
LG hanger has been on the market per se for over 2 years now. Plenty of time for documentation of measured gains. Time to start collecting threads and making evaluations as to actual effectiveness. I nominate YKM since he's got his finger on the sphincter of the vacuum hanger thing. The only "results" threads I am able to so far turn up on the LG are men talking about how they can use it to hang for hours on end and how great things feel. Those are not results in my book. At the end of the day, and to be fair and honest, the only thing that counts as results is measured gains. I hate to keep coming off so biased against vac hangers, because I really wish they were the "next leap forward" as the LG makes likes to claim, but this is the "Max Vac" in concept all over again with new paint on the walls in my opinion. Made "custom" by a "master machinist", or not. I'm just playing devils' advocate. If someone can do the footwork and find more than a couple actual results threads where the guy has used the LG either exclusively, or in addition to a routine and had measured length increases, please share them.

Moderators and Admins from PE gym (vested interests) do not count as it is in their best interest to help promote the device.

It's not fair to anyone in the PE community to push the "latest" thing in PE devices just because the guy/s selling it can afford to pay big money to promote it on places like PE gym. Especially if the actual results are anecdotal. We all have to keep in mind, just because a "new" product has a big marketing budget behind it and a large forum/site promoting it, does not mean it is an effective product.
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Vacuum is vacuum.It has limitations due to the pressure the vacuum creates. No amount of engineering will stop the laws of physics.

And why trust YKM? He has vested interest in products. They properly called him out elsewhere. It would be like trusting you.If you have a vested interest in a product your word means jack.
 
acromegaly;676755 said:
wow thats cool im really tempted, let us know how it goes
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Make your own. Over at plungers place, they a thread in good detail about making your own vacuum hanger. On other forums as well. Simple pvc pipe cap, rounded of course, sized accordingly, female pump fitting tapped and glued, hose for sucking air out, and voila. You probably already have a sleeve to use. I do lol. Very intricate detail and yet so simple. Has pictures of hanging plenty of weight but attached to an object, not a penis. I'll have to read further through to verify but simple enough I believe.
 
Commodore;677589 said:
if YKM can show my how to hang 13-15 lb with the LG hanger it will be amazing. I would use it as a post workout, 60 min straight hang with 13lb. That is a very good addition to my routine. some times my penis skin is fatigu and do not like to get wrapt, sometimes i am not in the mood for wraping and do the regular hanging, then Vacum hanging with 15lb could come in.

Be positive guys, this could be a good thing, at least it cant be that bad
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I will be making videos by January for sure. I may have videos for the VH3 and LGhangers howing how to apply them with water before Christmas but not sure if I will find the time to shoot the videos and then prepare them.
 
stillwantmore2;677575 said:
LG hanger has been on the market per se for over 2 years now. Plenty of time for documentation of measured gains. Time to start collecting threads and making evaluations as to actual effectiveness. I nominate YKM since he's got his finger on the sphincter of the vacuum hanger thing. The only "results" threads I am able to so far turn up on the LG are men talking about how they can use it to hang for hours on end and how great things feel. Those are not results in my book. At the end of the day, and to be fair and honest, the only thing that counts as results is measured gains. I hate to keep coming off so biased against vac hangers, because I really wish they were the "next leap forward" as the LG makes likes to claim, but this is the "Max Vac" in concept all over again with new paint on the walls in my opinion. Made "custom" by a "master machinist", or not. I'm just playing devils' advocate. If someone can do the footwork and find more than a couple actual results threads where the guy has used the LG either exclusively, or in addition to a routine and had measured length increases, please share them.

Moderators and Admins from PE gym (vested interests) do not count as it is in their best interest to help promote the device.

It's not fair to anyone in the PE community to push the "latest" thing in PE devices just because the guy/s selling it can afford to pay big money to promote it on places like PE gym. Especially if the actual results are anecdotal. We all have to keep in mind, just because a "new" product has a big marketing budget behind it and a large forum/site promoting it, does not mean it is an effective product.
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I understand what you're saying for sure. But 2 years is not enough. Most men who do PE like any form of exercises don't stay dedicated long enough to produce results which can take a year or more some men. It will be many more years before there is what can be perceived as conclusive evidence for vachangers. Many positive results men report for tools that have been around for much much longer can still be debated.

I am loving vac style hangers so far and they are a great addition to my manual stretches with compression style stretchers. I will see and then share what I get out of this many months down the road but will update and share how it goes throughout that time. Vac hangers are going through skepticism like all PE tools did and still to. We will see if more positive results come in the future. But that future is years away.

Also many men who use most tools don't participate in the forums. So who knows what results the larger population of men who don't communicate in the PE world are seeing across the board of all tools.
 
I've hung 15 lbs for an hour straight with a compression hanger (the Bib Starter). I've done this many many times. The only problem was that it killed my EQ. I personally think if you are going to hang light weights for long periods you might as well just buy a good [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] with good attachments and find a way to hide it so you can wear it all day. Just my thoughts.
 
deadwood187;677595 said:
Vacuum is vacuum.It has limitations due to the pressure the vacuum creates. No amount of engineering will stop the laws of physics.

And why trust YKM? He has vested interest in products. They properly called him out elsewhere. It would be like trusting you.If you have a vested interest in a product your word means jack.
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Every tool has limitations based on its design and how it functions. Some people just like to latch onto an idea and put down others rather then putting in the time to work with it themselves. That is where I come in. Then there is the limitation of each individual man. 2 men may use the same compression hanger and same [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] for the same amount of time and intensity but one will see an inch in gains and the other nothing. The same will go for all PE tools including vachangers. When I talk about vachangers I am speaking of the positive experience I have had so far. I don't understand why some talk about my experience like I am saying this the best PE thing to ever come along and like I'm saying it will give you inches so quickly like nothing else before it.

And why are you saying I have a vested interest? And who called me out where? Thunder's people saying I am behind the gripping trainer which I shot down with facts? Is that what you're talking about? What is with member saying things without providing proof information and evidence to back it up. You say I have a vested interest but don't explain how I do. Then you say I was called out elsewhere for my vested interest but again don't explain how I was. You are just telling lies.

So instead of coming here and providing help I have to talk about this type of stuff.
 
deadwood187;677595 said:
Vacuum is vacuum.It has limitations due to the pressure the vacuum creates. No amount of engineering will stop the laws of physics.

And why trust YKM? He has vested interest in products. They properly called him out elsewhere. It would be like trusting you.If you have a vested interest in a product your word means jack.
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Standing by your philosophy there, why don't you just go ahead and say the same about DLD? He has a vested interest in every single product recommended here. YKM has no permission to represent anything here. Sure, he can tell us his opinions. I have permission to represent my devices here. You have a flawed thought pattern there, but whatever. I am here to represent my products, answer questions about them and I also coach men on using them...and on hanging in general.
 
stillwantmore2;677682 said:
Standing by your philosophy there, why don't you just go ahead and say the same about DLD? He has a vested interest in every single product recommended here. YKM has no permission to represent anything here. Sure, he can tell us his opinions. I have permission to represent my devices here. You have a flawed thought pattern there, but whatever. I am here to represent my products, answer questions about them and I also coach men on using them...and on hanging in general.
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Well put.
 
boohoohoo;677628 said:
I've hung 15 lbs for an hour straight with a compression hanger (the Bib Starter). I've done this many many times. The only problem was that it killed my EQ. I personally think if you are going to hang light weights for long periods you might as well just buy a good [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] with good attachments and find a way to hide it so you can wear it all day. Just my thoughts.
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hey whats up buddy.

you do not hang 60min straight with compression hanger, that would problably couse problems EQ or something else. Not that i have done it but i think DLD,Still and BiB would confirm that.

15-20 min ( no more than 20min ) sets are what we ame for... but you Boohoohoo probably know this now.
 
Is that why they didn't want you to affiliate at pegym still, because you didn't come hard with that cash money <:(? I know they promote the vac over at plungers, but I think they gave thunderSS like one dollar which was enough to feed him/his lackeys for a year. They probably gave a vac to the other THOTs just so they can say it works. They will never breach the brotherhood force-fields doe
 
templnite;677730 said:
Is that why they didn't want you to affiliate at pegym still, because you didn't come hard with that cash money <:(? I know they promote the vac over at plungers, but I think they gave thunderSS like one dollar which was enough to feed him/his lackeys for a year. They probably gave a vac to the other THOTs just so they can say it works. They will never breach the brotherhood force-fields doe
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I think I like this post but can you do the whole thing in English?
 
templnite;677730 said:
Is that why they didn't want you to affiliate at pegym still, because you didn't come hard with that cash money <:(? I know they promote the vac over at plungers, but I think they gave thunderSS like one dollar which was enough to feed him/his lackeys for a year. They probably gave a vac to the other THOTs just so they can say it works. They will never breach the brotherhood force-fields doe
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Who are you talking to? This post doesn't make sense and then you can't be sure who you are even talking to?
 
deadwood187;677734 said:
I think I like this post but can you do the whole thing in English?
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No dawg you know what I meant. There's some hos out here who always ask for clarifications, or evidence, but I just tell them check that green bar. Worship it like a totem pole, or this other pole
 
youknowme123321;677631 said:
Every tool has limitations based on its design and how it functions. Some people just like to latch onto an idea and put down others rather then putting in the time to work with it themselves. That is where I come in. Then there is the limitation of each individual man. 2 men may use the same compression hanger and same [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] for the same amount of time and intensity but one will see an inch in gains and the other nothing. The same will go for all PE tools including vachangers. When I talk about vachangers I am speaking of the positive experience I have had so far. I don't understand why some talk about my experience like I am saying this the best PE thing to ever come along and like I'm saying it will give you inches so quickly like nothing else before it.

And why are you saying I have a vested interest? And who called me out where? Thunder's people saying I am behind the gripping trainer which I shot down with facts? Is that what you're talking about? What is with member saying things without providing proof information and evidence to back it up. You say I have a vested interest but don't explain how I do. Then you say I was called out elsewhere for my vested interest but again don't explain how I was. You are just telling lies.

So instead of coming here and providing help I have to talk about this type of stuff.
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No. You come in to shill certain products (Vachanger being one) and push your OWN product. I'll leave it at that.

Vacuum is Vacuum is Vacuum. Anything over 5HG will start discoloration. Anything over 10HG is going to be hard on your penis, 15 HG +- you are asking for trouble. Do you know, or HAVE EVER MEASURED, how much HG the vachanger has on 5 pounds? I have measured 12 HG. Another guy on TP measured 15 HG. So tell me now: How the HELL do you manage 10+ pounds? Oh I know, with little kiddie tricks in your video. Vac hanging is not the ideal way to hang Period. End of story.
 
deadwood187;677790 said:
No. You come in to shill certain products (Vachanger being one) and push your OWN product. I'll leave it at that.

Vacuum is Vacuum is Vacuum. Anything over 5HG will start discoloration. Anything over 10HG is going to be hard on your penis, 15 HG +- you are asking for trouble. Do you know, or HAVE EVER MEASURED, how much HG the vachanger has on 5 pounds? I have measured 12 HG. Another guy on TP measured 15 HG. So tell me now: How the HELL do you manage 10+ pounds? Oh I know, with little kiddie tricks in your video. Vac hanging is not the ideal way to hang Period. End of story.
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Is this tempinite? You have started talking very rudely all of a sudden and throwing out accusations with no proof. Then you provide no proof. Just like tempinite was doing to me.

Saying you did something like measure lbs to hg but not showing that you actually did is useless. Anything over 5hg will cause discoloration...come on not it won't. At least I provide pictures to back up what I say and then videos will be made. It is strange how people say things without providing proof. It is very misleading. This is why I have to continue to post back to remarks like yours so when someone who doesn't know as much about PE doesn't get false information.

So talking positively of tools I like is shill behavior? Then I'm a shill for [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words], [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words], homemade pumps, vachangers, [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words], [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words], [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extenders[/words]. And your shill behavior can be observed above or where you were being very rude in the thread about test and hgh.

S far vacuum hanging is showing to be the ideal for me. I will see over months what comes of it.
 
deadwood187 dropping the knowledge like a bawse! We know man we saw this coming from thousands of years away, this is like beating a dead horse only the horse still tries to confuse people into thinking there's even a sliver of hope for the vac.

His argument is basically:
.I took some pictures of the vac
.you didn't take any pictures
.i win :D

His flawed logic pours out all the time. He asks you to prove something, but may you not, he automatically is right. He doesn't have to find evidence of anything only we do. He also likes mma, and football which are clearly meant for people with short attention span.
 
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youknowme123321;677793 said:
Is this tempinite? You have started talking very rudely all of a sudden and throwing out accusations with no proof. Then you provide no proof. Just like tempinite was doing to me.

Saying you did something like measure lbs to hg but not showing that you actually did is useless. Anything over 5hg will cause discoloration...come on not it won't. At least I provide pictures to back up what I say and then videos will be made. It is strange how people say things without providing proof. It is very misleading. This is why I have to continue to post back to remarks like yours so when someone who doesn't know as much about PE doesn't get false information.

So talking positively of tools I like is shill behavior? Then I'm a shill for [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words], [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words], homemade pumps, vachangers, [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words], [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words], [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extenders[/words]. And your shill behavior can be observed above or where you were being very rude in the thread about test and hgh.

S far vacuum hanging is showing to be the ideal for me. I will see over months what comes of it.
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I can make a short 1 minute video of me pumping to 20 HG and say "See no discoloration". Would mean jack.

Anything over 5 HG will cause discoloration. [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]Bathmate[/words] goes up to a max of 8 HG (measured). And how many complaints you get of discoloration? And that's using water and most can't even get up to 8 HG with a [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words], most get to 7 HG. So vachanging , which easily can get up to 8 HG on 5 pounds, won't cause discoloration? Get outta here .

I don't run a commercial account nor do I get paid or get free stuff to be a shill so no videos. Unlike you I don't make money off this stuff. Vachanging is a terrible ideal and the 1000's of threads complaining about vachanging and high weights is testament that this experiment is OVER.
 
deadwood187;677861 said:
I can make a short 1 minute video of me pumping to 20 HG and say "See no discoloration". Would mean jack.

Anything over 5 HG will cause discoloration. [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]Bathmate[/words] goes up to a max of 8 HG (measured). And how many complaints you get of discoloration? And that's using water and most can't even get up to 8 HG with a [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words], most get to 7 HG. So vachanging , which easily can get up to 8 HG on 5 pounds, won't cause discoloration? Get outta here .

I don't run a commercial account nor do I get paid or get free stuff to be a shill so no videos. Unlike you I don't make money off this stuff. Vachanging is a terrible ideal and the 1000's of threads complaining about vachanging and high weights is testament that this experiment is OVER.
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Or you could just say a bunch of stuff but provide no proof of it at all. A one minute video is much better. Although I will be providing longer videos in the future but I must continue to use these tools to make sure I am able provide the most honest/experienced info possible. So far so good but as I increase intensity that is where I will see what these vacuum hangers can do.

You're acting like a shill talking like you do. Some men experience discoloration, some don't. I only did once b/c my pump sleeve was to tight at the base and restricted blood flow out to much. That is with using many types of pumps from [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] to electric vacuum systems. The key to avoiding discoloration with any form of vacuum PE is to build up slowly.

1000's of threads complaining about vachanging...yeah okay. There are not thousands of threads like that. Funny how you ignore positive reviews of vacuum hanging and shut down positive reviews like the person must be lying. That is shill. I share negative and positive attributes that I experience about tools. That includes [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] approved and non approved tools.

I have received tools and bought tools. I have given positive and negative reviews for both tools I have bought and been given. Some reviews have more positive then negative. Some have more negative then positive. I have been offered some tools and said no thank you b/c I don't want to review them. I don't run a commercial account. Thunder's made me one so that members knew I do have my own site even though it is completely free. I am the only "commercial account" there that doesn't sell anything. I don't get paid...liar. SO you would only make videos for money. I do it to help people in the PE world. At first it was all paid for tools and tools that [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] gave me but then it has slowly grown to some other tools being given to me.
 
youknowme123321;677871 said:
Or you could just say a bunch of stuff but provide no proof of it at all. A one minute video is much better. Although I will be providing longer videos in the future but I must continue to use these tools to make sure I am able provide the most honest/experienced info possible. So far so good but as I increase intensity that is where I will see what these vacuum hangers can do.

You're acting like a shill talking like you do. Some men experience discoloration, some don't. I only did once b/c my pump sleeve was to tight at the base and restricted blood flow out to much. That is with using many types of pumps from [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] to electric vacuum systems. The key to avoiding discoloration with any form of vacuum PE is to build up slowly.

1000's of threads complaining about vachanging...yeah okay. There are not thousands of threads like that. Funny how you ignore positive reviews of vacuum hanging and shut down positive reviews like the person must be lying. That is shill. I share negative and positive attributes that I experience about tools. That includes [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] approved and non approved tools.

I have received tools and bought tools. I have given positive and negative reviews for both tools I have bought and been given. Some reviews have more positive then negative. Some have more negative then positive. I have been offered some tools and said no thank you b/c I don't want to review them. I don't run a commercial account. Thunder's made me one so that members knew I do have my own site even though it is completely free. I am the only "commercial account" there that doesn't sell anything. I don't get paid...liar. SO you would only make videos for money. I do it to help people in the PE world. At first it was all paid for tools and tools that [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] gave me but then it has slowly grown to some other tools being given to me.
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There are tons of reputable people who claim discoloration with vacuum , here's the guys who claim Vachanger caused massive discoloration even greater than what the Bib Hanger causes:

RandomGiant
INTOX
wayoflife99 (who claims the discoloration is permanent since he's stopped fora year and still has it)
RodneysRocket
Monty


etc etc

I can list another 10,000 but you will get a little "shilly" and dismiss it. I can blast my penis to 20 HG @ 30 minutes in my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]penis pump[/words] and not have 1/2 the damage a vachanger does at 5 pounds.

SO tell me? All those veteran guys lying and only YOU have dominion over the truth? Ok shill. Keep on shilling.
 
deadwood187;677883 said:
There are tons of reputable people who claim discoloration with vacuum , here's the guys who claim Vachanger caused massive discoloration even greater than what the Bib Hanger causes:

RandomGiant
INTOX
wayoflife99 (who claims the discoloration is permanent since he's stopped fora year and still has it)
RodneysRocket
Monty


etc etc

I can list another 10,000 but you will get a little "shilly" and dismiss it. I can blast my penis to 20 HG @ 30 minutes in my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]penis pump[/words] and not have 1/2 the damage a vachanger does at 5 pounds.

SO tell me? All those veteran guys lying and only YOU have dominion over the truth? Ok shill. Keep on shilling.
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You can't list 10,000. I don't dismiss discoloration. Where have I done that? I know men have experienced discoloration with many vacuum style tools. Many men haven't as well. I don't deny any of this. You're just greatly over exaggerating (that is what shilling is). Names you type mean nothing. I happen to have never heard of any of them but I also don't pay attention to every members name so it is possible I have come across their posts without realizing it. I was hoping for some links but you don't even need to provide those b/c we all know discoloration is a possibility just like decreased EQ is.

I just share my experiences and will continue to provide proof for my experiences and you probably won't do the same.

I'll PM you so we can stay out of here
 
youknowme123321;677885 said:
You can't list 10,000. I don't dismiss discoloration. Where have I done that? I know men have experienced discoloration with many vacuum style tools. Many men haven't as well. I don't deny any of this. You're just greatly over exaggerating (that is what shilling is). Names you type mean nothing. I happen to have never heard of any of them but I also don't pay attention to every members name so it is possible I have come across their posts without realizing it. I was hoping for some links but you don't even need to provide those b/c we all know discoloration is a possibility just like decreased EQ is.

I just share my experiences and will continue to provide proof for my experiences and you probably won't do the same.

I'll PM you so we can stay out of here
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shill
SHil/

1.an accomplice of a hawker, gambler, or swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others.


Just so you don't get confused again. You are a shill. I am a honest reviewer who actually purchased a product with my hard earned money and is reviewing it honestly. Are we clear now so you don't try to confuse the matter again?


Nice try shill but for every one guy claiming the Vachanger was a viable purchase , 100 complain it's a piece of garbage. You are a product shill. Your "experiences " are dictated by the maker of said products, not your honest opinion. Can you point out to one product on your web page that you are NOT happy with? Thought so .So the PE industry is the only industry that bats a 100 when it comes to "customer" satisfaction, huh shill? LMFAO. I hope no one takes you seriously. They will lose money,

PS. Don't PM me. I don't need to talk to you about anything.
 
deadwood187;677890 said:
shill
SHil/

1.an accomplice of a hawker, gambler, or swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others.


Just so you don't get confused again. You are a shill. I am a honest reviewer who actually purchased a product with my hard earned money and is reviewing it honestly. Are we clear now so you don't try to confuse the matter again?


Nice try shill but for every one guy claiming the Vachanger was a viable purchase , 100 complain it's a piece of garbage. You are a product shill. Your "experiences " are dictated by the maker of said products, not your honest opinion. Can you point out to one product on your web page that you are NOT happy with? Thought so .So the PE industry is the only industry that bats a 100 when it comes to "customer" satisfaction, huh shill? LMFAO. I hope no one takes you seriously. They will lose money,

PS. Don't PM me. I don't need to talk to you about anything.
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And this is why I do not allow loose affiliates selling junk to the Brotherhood!
 
deadwood187;677890 said:
shill
SHil/

1.an accomplice of a hawker, gambler, or swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others.


Just so you don't get confused again. You are a shill. I am a honest reviewer who actually purchased a product with my hard earned money and is reviewing it honestly. Are we clear now so you don't try to confuse the matter again?


Nice try shill but for every one guy claiming the Vachanger was a viable purchase , 100 complain it's a piece of garbage. You are a product shill. Your "experiences " are dictated by the maker of said products, not your honest opinion. Can you point out to one product on your web page that you are NOT happy with? Thought so .So the PE industry is the only industry that bats a 100 when it comes to "customer" satisfaction, huh shill? LMFAO. I hope no one takes you seriously. They will lose money,

PS. Don't PM me. I don't need to talk to you about anything.
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This is definitely tempinite lol. Just saying things with no proof. Calling people names with no proof. Making accusations about people with no proof.

Do you notice how you 2 are the only ones who talk like this? And everyone says the opposite and likes my videos. You are a complete fool/shill. If you watch the videos and read my reviews you will see how I make changes to using the tools so that they work for me and make me happy. I find my own happiness in all realms of life. I don't just get my happiness from others plans whether it is PE tools or career paths.

HERE IS ALL THE INFO ABOUT PRODUCTS ON MY SITE I WASN'T HAPPY WITH.

[words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]forte[/words]. I was given 2 of these. I made myself happy with this tool. I share in my PF videos how I think their condoms suck and it is better to use silicone sleeves. There condoms are prone to tearing and take longer to put on and off. The sleeves last much better. I also along with other figured out how to wear it more comfortably at night b/c their belt is uncomfortable. And used socks to make the foam ring more comfortable b/c their ring alone was very uncomfortable against the base of the penis. Also used with an [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] b/c it works better then their belt.

In my malehanger2 vids I share how the suggested wrap doesn't work for me but share a wrap that I do that works for me.

The [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] and X4. They both just aren't great [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extenders[/words]. I share that yes they can work but they are not worth the price. Both of these were given to me. But I do show how to wrap for the x4 both with the materials they provide and another way using my own materials. I did this just to help men who do have these tools.

BAthate [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]hercules[/words]. I bougth this. I like it

[words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]Bathmate[/words] xx40. I was given 2. I like it a lot

miracle slider [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words]. purchased multiple myself. LIke them very much. Used my own materials to make it comfortable b/c what comes with it doesn't work.

[words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]Lengthmaster[/words]. Bought one and then was given one. Great tool. I showed how to use this with resistant bands and how I wrap to use it comfortably.

pro male penis stretcher [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words]. I bought it. I showed how to use it with the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words].

penilizer. given this. I liked it a lot. I had to make no changes to use it properly

vachanger3. I was given this. I recommend this tool with water but not with traditional wrapping methods and the materials that are sent with the product. I experienced blood blisters when using 3m foamtape, tender tape, and glans caps. But using water I had no negative issues.

LGhanger. given this. I have only used it with water and so far so good. I will see how it goes as I continue to increase the weight slowly. I do not plan to hang using any of the traditional glans wrapping methods due to my experience before with the VH3 and blood blisters.

gripping trainer. I bought it. Great tool. I show how I wrap for it and explain what I like about it. The main thing being its small chamber size.

thickerman penis clamp. Given. I share how it will work and how to use it but share that it is not as good as a simple cable clamp.

Homemade water pump. bought all parts myself. Share how to use it. I am not currently using this method but I recommend it highly. It is much cheaper then the water pumps available but works just as well if not better b/c you can control the vacuum pressure much more precisely.

SO here you can see I give positive reviews of the tools b/c I make them work for me. I don't just use the tool as these companies say top use them then tell everyone they are great. I share what doesn't work well then I share how I fixed it to work better for me. And even a tool like the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] I have a homemade water pump on my site that is cheaper and that I say is even better. I tell people where to buy everything they need.

So I shared more then just one product I wasn't happy with. I share multiple products with you that I wouldn't have been happy with but then I modified them to make them work and make myself happy. Some of which I was given and others I bought. S0 no the PE industry doesn't bat 100% but if you aren't lazy you can make a tool work for you and then if you're helpful you share it with the PE world. When I am given a tool the company is well aware I will be giving an honest review. But they are also well aware that I will make changes to try and make the tool work for me.

In this post alone I have shared more honest and more helpful information then you ever have...shill.
 
deadwood187;677890 said:
shill
SHil/

1.an accomplice of a hawker, gambler, or swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others.


Just so you don't get confused again. You are a shill. I am a honest reviewer who actually purchased a product with my hard earned money and is reviewing it honestly. Are we clear now so you don't try to confuse the matter again?


Nice try shill but for every one guy claiming the Vachanger was a viable purchase , 100 complain it's a piece of garbage. You are a product shill. Your "experiences " are dictated by the maker of said products, not your honest opinion. Can you point out to one product on your web page that you are NOT happy with? Thought so .So the PE industry is the only industry that bats a 100 when it comes to "customer" satisfaction, huh shill? LMFAO. I hope no one takes you seriously. They will lose money,

PS. Don't PM me. I don't need to talk to you about anything.
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doublelongdaddy;677904 said:
And this is why I do not allow loose affiliates selling junk to the Brotherhood!
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B/c you have 2 members (both are tempinite) that none of your other members like who say a lot things without providing proof and calling people names is why you don't allow loose affiliates selling tools that only these "2" [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] members consider junk without ever showing they actually used the tools?

No one has any proof of these "loose" affiliates. A couple people here are getting upset with me b/c I share that so far I like vacuum hangers. Even though I leave it completely open and that more information is to come b/c I am still in the process of reviewing these tools. I hope to be able to hang heavy with the lg but only time will tell. I can I will share it. If I can't I will share that.

The reasonable [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] members are looking forward to me sharing my videos in the future. ANd again, who knows, maybe I will be able to hang heavy and maybe I won't I am working up to it.
 
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youknowme123321;677940 said:
B/c you have 2 members (both are tempinite) that none of your other members like who say a lot things without providing proof and calling people names is why you don't allow loose affiliates?

No one has any proof of these "loose" affiliates. A few people here are getting upset with me b/c I share that so far I like vacuum hangers. Even though I leave it completely open and that more information is to come b/c I am still in the process of reviewing these tools.
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So basically you are whining and crying about "saying things without proof" then you turn around and accuse me and tempinite of being the same damn person.....WITHOUT ANY PROOF!!!!

You need to get back on your meds shill.

And what exactly are yapping on about? You are getting red hot because I am disliking the Vachanger and saying what many are saying here and elsewhere- that beyond a certain weight it is useless?. You notice anyone else coming after me for saying the TRUTH about the product huh shill? You know why? No one else has a ve$ted intere$t. Catch my drift?

Anyways, cool down a bit mate. I can assure you people who run boards can tell if one person is using multiple handles and I can assure you, me and tempinite are not the same person so take your meds ,spend a few hrs. in your Vachanger and call me in the morning.
 
deadwood187;677972 said:
So basically you are whining and crying about "saying things without proof" then you turn around and accuse me and tempinite of being the same damn person.....WITHOUT ANY PROOF!!!!

You need to get back on your meds shill.

And what exactly are yapping on about? You are getting red hot because I am disliking the Vachanger and saying what many are saying here and elsewhere- that beyond a certain weight it is useless?. You notice anyone else coming after me for saying the TRUTH about the product huh shill? You know why? No one else has a ve$ted intere$t. Catch my drift?

Anyways, cool down a bit mate. I can assure you people who run boards can tell if one person is using multiple handles and I can assure you, me and tempinite are not the same person so take your meds ,spend a few hrs. in your Vachanger and call me in the morning.
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I'm not the one telling multiple lies and being proven wrong every time I post so I have nothing to be upset about. It is fun catching you in lies and showing how you ignore facts. Funny how you ignored the post (#92) I directed towards you ADF, tempinite, tkto, deadwood. The post that shot down yours. I attached for you, shill. You know the post where I show how I don't only post what PE tool companies would want me to. The one where I show you how I tell men how to use the tools better b/c the way the tools are sold by the companies isn't best.

It's okay if you don't like vachangers. And it is okay for me to point out that what you are saying about them isn't the case for everyone and then state that I have the pics to show what you are saying isn't true for everyone. I'm looking forward to making the videos to show what you typed isn't fact like you try to make it seem. Although who knows, I may try to hang heavy and it doesn't work out. But I will build up slowly and try to.

The proof that your are all of those people is that you all post just a like. Under all of those name you would call people names. You would say things but provide no evidence. You all came after me all the time out of nowhere saying untrue things and then I would quote things and share facts to show that you are lying. You think by saying that since the forums can tell if one person is using multiple handles that shows you're not tempinite...hahaha. Trying to pretend like one person can't easily use multiple IP addresses shows you are lying. Handles are linked to IP address. Sign up for a VPN service (like you have done) and you have access to 1000's of IP addresses so you can go to the same forum under unlimited handles.

No one else is saying anything b/c they don't have the tools and you aren't referencing them constantly. If you didn't message me in post #69 I would have never messaged you. You have said so much but can't provide one bit of proof. Proof is what matters in PE you shill. How out of your mind can you be to not know that. There so many fake pics and fake reviews written by people like you who can't prove anything. That is why I started making videos and made sure not to affiliate with anyone b/c when you affiliate with someone you have a vested interest, you shill.

In post #69 you tell me, "If you have a vested interest in a product your word means jack." Then in post #75 SWM replied with, "Standing by your philosophy there, why don't you just go ahead and say the same about DLD? He has a vested interest in every single product recommended here. YKM has no permission to represent anything here. Sure, he can tell us his opinions. I have permission to represent my devices here. You have a flawed thought pattern there, but whatever." He showed how what you say makes no sense, shill. Funny how you didn't respond back to that. You never respond back when someone shows how you're wrong. I attached both of these quotes below for you to see, shill. So why you don't you respond back to SWM and then respond to post #92. You probably won't b/c they both show how wrong you always are when you post.

youknowme123321;677938 said:
This is definitely tempinite lol. Just saying things with no proof. Calling people names with no proof. Making accusations about people with no proof.

Do you notice how you 2 are the only ones who talk like this? And everyone says the opposite and likes my videos. You are a complete fool/shill. If you watch the videos and read my reviews you will see how I make changes to using the tools so that they work for me and make me happy. I find my own happiness in all realms of life. I don't just get my happiness from others plans whether it is PE tools or career paths.

HERE IS ALL THE INFO ABOUT PRODUCTS ON MY SITE I WASN'T HAPPY WITH.

[words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]forte[/words]. I was given 2 of these. I made myself happy with this tool. I share in my PF videos how I think their condoms suck and it is better to use silicone sleeves. There condoms are prone to tearing and take longer to put on and off. The sleeves last much better. I also along with other figured out how to wear it more comfortably at night b/c their belt is uncomfortable. And used socks to make the foam ring more comfortable b/c their ring alone was very uncomfortable against the base of the penis. Also used with an [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] b/c it works better then their belt.

In my malehanger2 vids I share how the suggested wrap doesn't work for me but share a wrap that I do that works for me.

The [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] and X4. They both just aren't great [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extenders[/words]. I share that yes they can work but they are not worth the price. Both of these were given to me. But I do show how to wrap for the x4 both with the materials they provide and another way using my own materials. I did this just to help men who do have these tools.

BAthate [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]hercules[/words]. I bougth this. I like it

[words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]Bathmate[/words] xx40. I was given 2. I like it a lot

miracle slider [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words]. purchased multiple myself. LIke them very much. Used my own materials to make it comfortable b/c what comes with it doesn't work.

[words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]Lengthmaster[/words]. Bought one and then was given one. Great tool. I showed how to use this with resistant bands and how I wrap to use it comfortably.

pro male penis stretcher [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words]. I bought it. I showed how to use it with the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words].

penilizer. given this. I liked it a lot. I had to make no changes to use it properly

vachanger3. I was given this. I recommend this tool with water but not with traditional wrapping methods and the materials that are sent with the product. I experienced blood blisters when using 3m foamtape, tender tape, and glans caps. But using water I had no negative issues.

LGhanger. given this. I have only used it with water and so far so good. I will see how it goes as I continue to increase the weight slowly. I do not plan to hang using any of the traditional glans wrapping methods due to my experience before with the VH3 and blood blisters.

gripping trainer. I bought it. Great tool. I show how I wrap for it and explain what I like about it. The main thing being its small chamber size.

thickerman penis clamp. Given. I share how it will work and how to use it but share that it is not as good as a simple cable clamp.

Homemade water pump. bought all parts myself. Share how to use it. I am not currently using this method but I recommend it highly. It is much cheaper then the water pumps available but works just as well if not better b/c you can control the vacuum pressure much more precisely.

SO here you can see I give positive reviews of the tools b/c I make them work for me. I don't just use the tool as these companies say top use them then tell everyone they are great. I share what doesn't work well then I share how I fixed it to work better for me. And even a tool like the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] I have a homemade water pump on my site that is cheaper and that I say is even better. I tell people where to buy everything they need.

So I shared more then just one product I wasn't happy with. I share multiple products with you that I wouldn't have been happy with but then I modified them to make them work and make myself happy. Some of which I was given and others I bought. S0 no the PE industry doesn't bat 100% but if you aren't lazy you can make a tool work for you and then if you're helpful you share it with the PE world. When I am given a tool the company is well aware I will be giving an honest review. But they are also well aware that I will make changes to try and make the tool work for me.

In this post alone I have shared more honest and more helpful information then you ever have...shill.
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Below is deadwood's (tempinite's) message to me
deadwood187;677595 said:
Vacuum is vacuum.It has limitations due to the pressure the vacuum creates. No amount of engineering will stop the laws of physics.

And why trust YKM? He has vested interest in products. They properly called him out elsewhere. It would be like trusting you.If you have a vested interest in a product your word means jack.
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And below here is SWM response to deadwood (tempinite)
stillwantmore2;677682 said:
Standing by your philosophy there, why don't you just go ahead and say the same about DLD? He has a vested interest in every single product recommended here. YKM has no permission to represent anything here. Sure, he can tell us his opinions. I have permission to represent my devices here. You have a flawed thought pattern there, but whatever. I am here to represent my products, answer questions about them and I also coach men on using them...and on hanging in general.
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Nah that was just to save face. Told me the same a few days ago "don't talk to me", but still tries to act raw smh. I gotta admit deadwood handled this one flawlessly unlike I that had to resort to name calling/pointing out flaws towards the end. I was on the crusade for a whole month too, but damn man this one took two days bruh XD! I cant say means justify ends, but finally the objective was met which is just transparency/honesty.

Jimmy hats off to you brother you truly know the art of gore :), and to think they were saying "ban him" a little while ago XD. The puppies out here, mike doesn't answer to you. He's like Shao Khan up in here saying fatality.
 
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