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Hi Everyone,

Apologies for the massive delay in response. Video proof on the website!! trousersnakeoil.co

I've been insanely busy. We sent out a bunch of trials and we've massively enhanced the product since. It is no longer vaseline based but coconut oil based. We're very happy with this.

We've also made two versions (because it's expensive). Trousersnakeoil and Jelq Fuel. The difference is largely potency, but trouser snake oil has a little special something.

To be fair to the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] community (which I've been a member of for a long, long time - and learned a hell of a lot from), and because I don't want my posts to be spam here's the gist.

We've taken the best from say a tiger balm style ointment, the best from Dit Da Jow which is a Chinese linament (used extensively in Kung Fu - I first used it for forearm conditioning and my forearms were absolutely gigantic, like popeye! lol) you can read about Dit Da Jow on wikipedia; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dit_da_jow

To that combination we've added deer antler extract (humanely sourced and organic - so expensive) and put it in a form that works for penis application, jelqing, etc.

Here's a more detailed list of what's inside;

Ingredients Include
Wintergreen
Gao Liang Jiang (Galangal)
Humanely Sourced Deer Antler Velvet
Eurycoma Longifolia Jack (Tongkat Ali)
Lycopeme Extract
Bai Zhi (White Angelica)
Epimedium (Horny Goat Wee)
Pine Bark Extract
Yan Hu Suo (Corydalis)
Tirbulus Terrestris
Peruvian Maca Extract
Tian Nan Xing (Arisaema)
Octacosanol
Ban Xia (Pinellia)
Wild Aconite
Inositol
Cao Wu
L-Glutathione
Hua Jiao (Prickly Ash Pepper)
L-Arginine
Hong Hua (Safflower)
Siberian Gingseng Extract
Ru Xiang (Frankincense)
Co-Enzyme Q10
Zhi Zi (Gardenia)
L-Carnitine Tartrate
Tao Ren (Peach Kernel)
Biotin
Jiang Huang (Turmeric)
Pantothenic Acid
Myrrh (Mo Yao)
Magnesium
Iron
Zinc
Copper
Manganese
Selenium
Chromium
Dan Gui Wei (Angelica Tail)
Ge Gen(Kudzu Root)
Hu Jiao (Pepper Fruit)
and of course, Coconut oil.

If you guys are interested I can request a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] discount (DLD, let me know if I'm totally overstepping the mark on any of this and I'll remove / ammend according to your instructions!), etc.

Thanks guys.
 
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The problem with almost any of the ingredients that you might include is delivery. Very few drugs, supplements, etc. have the physical and chemical properties to effectively penetrate the skin for delivery. If it does not, it will simply sit on the surface of the skin, having no effect at all. Of all the millions of FDA approved drugs available in various forms, there are only a handful that are FDA approved as transdermal drugs because of the fact that so few have the properties that will allow for viable transdermal delivery.

Dford
 
I totally agree Dford. However, something as simple as 'tiger balm' is effective. Also, the newest Penis EnlargementDs are largely topical. So while I agree completely with what you're saying, I think there's probably something we can work with?
 
Hey. I'm on day two of applying the cream I made. It's more of a gel. And I currently have it in a lip balm container for ease of application.

So far it seems pretty good. I did a huge clamping session last night and woke up this morning with a completely healed dick. So at least that's positive.

It's a little gritty because I used quite high concentrations of active ingredients to carrier gels, but that's something I'll work on.

I'm going to continue it's use for a week, then I'm going to take some 'before' shots and I'll report back in a month.
 
I'm hoping ambitiously for 2 outcomes, Zambrodom.

The first outcome is faster healing so that I can do more intense, heavier, harder, sessions more often. I'm 100% confident that I've achieved this with the cream and I don't think that's too hard to do. There's plenty of topical ointments for helping healing and I've just taken the best from all of those.

The second outcome is to promote growth. I guess the idea here is that if I can break down the cells through intense training, then have them heal more quickly in the 'extending' phase then I can get the full benefit of the cycle with less time. And, repeat cycles much more quickly. Instead of one cycle per day, I'll be able to do three, etc. That kind of thing. This is different to fast healing in that if I have a healing window of 4 hours (lets just say) then that's only 4 hours of [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words] before I need to break down the tissue again. So, I need to fuel the growth of the new cells so that maximum growth is achieved in a shorter time frame.

I don't believe it will be a miracle cream, but I do think it will be an effective short cut. This attitude comes from years of training and coaching and learning how to achieve great results while training, twice or three times a day, etc. More cycles with full gains = fast gains. That's the thinking.

The grittiness is not an issue for me, but I'll revise it into something smoother. While not sand paper rough, it's like one of those exfoliating body scrub things women use. Again, that's fine for me, but I'll revise it when I make my next batch.

Verdict so far; loving it. Pretty much massive, almost erection size semi all day.
 
pest;550200 said:
I'm hoping ambitiously for 2 outcomes, Zambrodom.

The first outcome is faster healing so that I can do more intense, heavier, harder, sessions more often. I'm 100% confident that I've achieved this with the cream and I don't think that's too hard to do. There's plenty of topical ointments for helping healing and I've just taken the best from all of those.

The second outcome is to promote growth. I guess the idea here is that if I can break down the cells through intense training, then have them heal more quickly in the 'extending' phase then I can get the full benefit of the cycle with less time. And, repeat cycles much more quickly. Instead of one cycle per day, I'll be able to do three, etc. That kind of thing. This is different to fast healing in that if I have a healing window of 4 hours (lets just say) then that's only 4 hours of [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words] before I need to break down the tissue again. So, I need to fuel the growth of the new cells so that maximum growth is achieved in a shorter time frame.

I don't believe it will be a miracle cream, but I do think it will be an effective short cut. This attitude comes from years of training and coaching and learning how to achieve great results while training, twice or three times a day, etc. More cycles with full gains = fast gains. That's the thinking.

The grittiness is not an issue for me, but I'll revise it into something smoother. While not sand paper rough, it's like one of those exfoliating body scrub things women use. Again, that's fine for me, but I'll revise it when I make my next batch.

Verdict so far; loving it. Pretty much massive, almost erection size semi all day.
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What you mentioned above is simply a big WOW! I mean if this cream can allow someone to heal as fast as 4 hours and repeat his intense session- that's speed up the whole process 2-3 times. I don't know how effective this cream of yours is, but when you get to have more experience with it- please do share. Sounds really interesting :)
 
Okay. I've put a proper trial of this together. I've got before and after video and let me just say... this is going to be huge!

So, I'm putting together a website and stuff. If anyone wants to trial it for me let me know!!
 
pest;559464 said:
Okay. I've put a proper trial of this together. I've got before and after video and let me just say... this is going to be huge!

So, I'm putting together a website and stuff. If anyone wants to trial it for me let me know!!
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I would be willing to trial it for you. I Penis Enlargement a minimum of 5 days a week, and usually do 6-7. In less than 2 weeks I should be living by myself so I will have the privacy to actively Penis Enlargement multiple times a day should your cream allow me to heal that quickly.

Do you have a list of ingredients?
 
I would also be willing to do a trial on it. I do Penis Enlargement 6-7 days a week and definitely have an issue with skin soreness. Would be great if this helped and I would be able to tell very quickly.
 
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Willing to trial.

Main issue I can comment on would be true mild gator irritation from the hydropumps. I'd love for something to heal the skin quickly from that.

Not having major issues otherwise, tho sounds like the first concept is, like creatine allows bodybuilders to train hard more times per week with full heavy workouts, heal faster for more heavy workouts per week... so we might go to two full out Penis Enlargement routines per day? Cool idea. Willing to try this out.

I use hydrocortisone cream now.

I'm familiar with and use Aspercream, tho not on my penis.
 
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LoveHerDeeply;559539 said:
Willing to trial.

Main issue I can comment on would be true mild gator irritation from the hydropumps. I'd love for something to heal the skin quickly from that.

Not having major issues otherwise, tho sounds like the first concept is, like creatine allows bodybuilders to train hard more times per week with full heavy workouts, heal faster for more heavy workouts per week... so we might go to two full out Penis Enlargement routines per day? Cool idea. Willing to try this out.

I use hydrocortisone cream now.

I'm familiar with and use Aspercream, tho not on my penis.
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I had a problem with the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]hydropump[/words] [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]gaiter[/words] irritation as well until I started using ab silicone on the base. Hydrocortisone did not do anything for me so it would be nice to see something meant to heal the skin fast (while still being able to do Penis Enlargement) and perhaps could supply nutrition through the skin ... Cool idea.
 
I suppose a second issue is, using the cockring for long periods of time. It hurts. Its squeezing the tissues in that part of the penis preventing blood to escape. But it does hurt right there quite a lot. Reminding myself of aspercream earlier I'm tempted to try it on penis shaft near base due to this cockring pain.

I'm going to assume, doing a second manual basic stretch routine per day would irritate the skin at minimum, let alone everything inside needs to heal... is kinda the point of this new product.
 
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Guys! I'm really happy that you're offering to trial!!

When I get the latest batch done up I'll be in touch to post you a tin.

I've put a whole load of stuff into it. I've spent a couple of months working on the formulation. It's taken a while to get it the correct consistency while still being packed full of the active ingredients. We've also worked on the 'manufacturing process' so as to minimise the impact of carcinogenics (from plastics at temperature etc. we don't want to be growing new cells with those around!).

I'm not revealing what's in it yet, but there's stuff from western science (straight forward things like arginine, vitamin e, sources of GH, etc) to Chinese medicine (dit da jow influenced). Tonnes of stuff really.

I don't have a website yet. I really expected this to be a small scale thing, but the results have been so positive amongst my small test group (p=5) that we've decided to move on it. So you guys will be the first to test the fully branded, fully developed product.

Thanks a lot, guys. I'll be in touch. Exciting times!
 
Do the people in your trial have knowledge of what they're putting on/absorbing into their penis? Since you're not sharing the ingredient composition.
 
smerc;559570 said:
Do the people in your trial have knowledge of what they're putting on/absorbing into their penis? Since you're not sharing the ingredient composition.
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This is why I would like to know the list of ingredients.



pest;559563 said:
Guys! I'm really happy that you're offering to trial!!

When I get the latest batch done up I'll be in touch to post you a tin.

I've put a whole load of stuff into it. I've spent a couple of months working on the formulation. It's taken a while to get it the correct consistency while still being packed full of the active ingredients. We've also worked on the 'manufacturing process' so as to minimise the impact of carcinogenics (from plastics at temperature etc. we don't want to be growing new cells with those around!).

I'm not revealing what's in it yet, but there's stuff from western science (straight forward things like arginine, vitamin e, sources of GH, etc) to Chinese medicine (dit da jow influenced). Tonnes of stuff really.

I don't have a website yet. I really expected this to be a small scale thing, but the results have been so positive amongst my small test group (p=5) that we've decided to move on it. So you guys will be the first to test the fully branded, fully developed product.

Thanks a lot, guys. I'll be in touch. Exciting times!
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Look forward to hearing from you again man. Sounds promising.

Would like to know the ingredients before actually applying the cream though.. if you don't want to reveal it to everyone before then, I think all of the testers would appreciate it if you PMed the info.
 
Yeah man send out an NDA along with your request for address to ship to.
"Your reply with your address is accceptance of this Non Disclosure Agreement. You promise yo not share this list of ingredients in any way... (list ways)

Or similar...
 
That's the gist of a CDA/NDA. Then w/ a noncompete agreement.

Doubt you would have any problems w/ anyone. There is really only one cream on the market that's well known and that's from maxsize.
All the other stuff is DIY'ers using DMSO. Doubt you can get much better than the DMSO combinations already on the forum, but it's intriguing.
 
Hey,

If you're interested in testing this stuff please send me your contact details and I'll post you a tin. It's super expensive to manufacture, so please only request a trial if you will really give it a good go and report back with results, opinions, etc. We'd be especially grateful if you'd post publicly about it. Thanks a lot.
 
Received yesterday. Tingly on the skin I could feel for a while.
2nd am jelq session just now and plan to use after shower pump session tonight to test the healing issues discussed on page 1.

Its vaseline based so it doesn't vanish quickly, which is good in a way.

Thanks. I will say, considering US history, the name isn't perfect... go to focus group on that.
 
aloe vera, ginkgo biloba, maca root, panax(asian) ginseng,tongkat ali are some of the main herbs. would also need l-arginine and l-citrulline. http://linstitute.apollohosting.com/store/page15.html. VIP cream anyone try it becuase it seems like a really good penis cream!
http://www.actionlove.com/herbs/vipcream.htm It almost sounds like the ultimate penis cream. someone should try it and report with results. It says Rejuvenate the mechanically-damaged nerves and tissues; Promote the skin neuro-endocrine function under a warming or heating condition for hormones and neurotransmitters production to increase the nervous sensitivity and promote tissues rejuvenation with prostaglandin E1/E3. Some customers reported that applying VIP Cream to the anus and its cheeks not only increases erectile power and orgasmic response for both men and women. Is this possibly the best penis cream out there? not trying to jack the thread sorry just need to look at the competition as you have to go above all other penis creams to be the Ultimate penis Cream.
 
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Air pumped this AM using this product to help sooth gator bite from underside of base. Will report in. Was a great jelqing cream the other night. The smell is not woman friendly I'd bet. Shower needed after use.
 
Scratch that, I got it. Will try tomorrow for the first time and keep a log. LHD, should we both just post results/experiences here or in a new thread?
 
I would love to trial your new cream. I do some intense Penis Enlargement sessions and I want to keep my penis am n in its healthiest condition while helping it heal in a greater state. Does your cream also help witb erection strength and circulation?
 
Something else... I still don't know what's in this stuff. Would like to know what I'm rubbing into my dick. A PM of the ingredients if you want to keep it private is appreciated. I'll go ahead and start the trial as soon as I am able, but I'm not going to use this stuff for too long without knowing what is in it.
 
Hey Penis EnlargementST....I really am anxious to try your cream and post my experience with it on the forum. Have you sent out my trail tin of the cream yet?
 
I made my own research about VIP Cream and that it can work only if you practice Dr. Lin penis ballooning method including his pills: ViaPal-hGH-P (= ViaGrowth-IV +MoodMax + DopaFibra) and can share the following what I found on their website which I think is reasonable (the website of Dr. Lin is quite overwhelmed with information, not easy to understand within 1 day):

YOU CAN FORGET YOUR Penis EnlargementNILE ENLARGEMENT IF
1. your acetylcholine/parasympathetic nervous functions can not produce sufficient Nitric Oxide (NO) in the parasympathetic nervous endings of the penile arteries to signal a spontaneous erection, or
2. your dopamine/neuro-endocrine function can not produce a burst of testosterone and a conversion of testosterone to DHT to supercharge the penile nerves and to stimulate the penile tissues to expand, or
3. your cardiovascular function can not create a high blood pressure in your pelvic cavity from your tailbone to groins/pubis/penis, where the cardiovascular function has to pump extra blood into your penis to inflate your penis, or
4. your serotonin system can not help you to last longer than 30 minutes without ejaculation and allow you hold ejaculation back 3-5 times each love or practice session, or
5. you have over-masturbated yourself or started masturbating at young ages.


Penis EnlargementNILE BALLOONING SECRET:

Step 1: Have a spontaneous erection.

Step 2: Stimulate the vagal nerves in the pubic bone (pubis) and superior side of the penile shaft to continuously maximize the erection for expansion from the initial spontaneous erection to the 2nd or 3rd stage erection. This vagal stimulation is to power up the dopamine-hypothalamus-pituitary axis for promoting the NOergic and oxytocinergic nervous function that drive both the parasympathetic and sympathetic beta-adrenergic nervous erectile mechanism. You also need sufficient androgen hormones, with serum testosterone and DHT level over 500 ng/dl and 50 ng/dl, respectively, for an initial erection, and 600 ng/dl and 60 ng/dl, for a sustaining erection. Spend about 5 minutes in this step.

*** Note: Intercourse with Dr. Lin's 3-point excitation love position is the most effective way for stimulating the vagal nerves in both the pubis and the superior side of the penis. Or, use the high-attack angle love position can provide a powerful stimulation for the superior side of the penis. Alternating both love positions can increase the penile size by intercourse itself. That is, you can use the vagina to balloon your penis! Both love positions also stimulate the women's vaginal nerves from the clitoris, G-spot and Epicentre (the superior side of the cervic and the vaginal anterior fornix) for women to achieve a powerful orgasm.

Step 3: Compress or squeeze the penile shaft the force the blood toward the glans for internal erectile tissue expansion and promote prostaglandins release. Spend about 2 minutes in this step.

Step 4: Massage your testicles to increase your testicular function. Spend about 1 minute in this step.

Step 5: Repeat step 2-4 until you are about to ejaculate; then pull down your scrotum and testicles and slightly pinch both groins and penile shaft to induce endorphin to knock ejaculation urgency. Spend about 1 minute in this step.

Step 6: Repeat Steps 2-5 for 3-5 times, for about 20-30 minutes.

You can not do penile ballooning without a spontaneous erection and you also have to last for 20-30 minutes without ejaculating.
 
I made my own research about VIP Cream and that it can work only if you practice Dr. Lin penis ballooning method including his pills: ViaPal-hGH-P (= ViaGrowth-IV +MoodMax + DopaFibra) and can share the following what I found on their website which I think is reasonable (the website of Dr. Lin is quite overwhelmed with information, not easy to understand within 1 day):

YOU CAN FORGET YOUR Penis EnlargementNILE ENLARGEMENT IF
1. your acetylcholine/parasympathetic nervous functions can not produce sufficient Nitric Oxide (NO) in the parasympathetic nervous endings of the penile arteries to signal a spontaneous erection, or
2. your dopamine/neuro-endocrine function can not produce a burst of testosterone and a conversion of testosterone to DHT to supercharge the penile nerves and to stimulate the penile tissues to expand, or
3. your cardiovascular function can not create a high blood pressure in your pelvic cavity from your tailbone to groins/pubis/penis, where the cardiovascular function has to pump extra blood into your penis to inflate your penis, or
4. your serotonin system can not help you to last longer than 30 minutes without ejaculation and allow you hold ejaculation back 3-5 times each love or practice session, or
5. you have over-masturbated yourself or started masturbating at young ages.


Penis EnlargementNILE BALLOONING SECRET:

Step 1: Have a spontaneous erection.

Step 2: Stimulate the vagal nerves in the pubic bone (pubis) and superior side of the penile shaft to continuously maximize the erection for expansion from the initial spontaneous erection to the 2nd or 3rd stage erection. This vagal stimulation is to power up the dopamine-hypothalamus-pituitary axis for promoting the NOergic and oxytocinergic nervous function that drive both the parasympathetic and sympathetic beta-adrenergic nervous erectile mechanism. You also need sufficient androgen hormones, with serum testosterone and DHT level over 500 ng/dl and 50 ng/dl, respectively, for an initial erection, and 600 ng/dl and 60 ng/dl, for a sustaining erection. Spend about 5 minutes in this step.

*** Note: Intercourse with Dr. Lin's 3-point excitation love position is the most effective way for stimulating the vagal nerves in both the pubis and the superior side of the penis. Or, use the high-attack angle love position can provide a powerful stimulation for the superior side of the penis. Alternating both love positions can increase the penile size by intercourse itself. That is, you can use the vagina to balloon your penis! Both love positions also stimulate the women's vaginal nerves from the clitoris, G-spot and Epicentre (the superior side of the cervic and the vaginal anterior fornix) for women to achieve a powerful orgasm.

Step 3: Compress or squeeze the penile shaft the force the blood toward the glans for internal erectile tissue expansion and promote prostaglandins release. Spend about 2 minutes in this step.

Step 4: Massage your testicles to increase your testicular function. Spend about 1 minute in this step.

Step 5: Repeat step 2-4 until you are about to ejaculate; then pull down your scrotum and testicles and slightly pinch both groins and penile shaft to induce endorphin to knock ejaculation urgency. Spend about 1 minute in this step.

Step 6: Repeat Steps 2-5 for 3-5 times, for about 20-30 minutes.

You can not do penile ballooning without a spontaneous erection and you also have to last for 20-30 minutes without ejaculating.
 
Hey guys, I just wanted to say, thanks a lot for your help and insights with regards this.

Good to be finally back on [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] and starting PE again. I've updated the first post with an update on this project!
 
pest;663835 said:
Hey guys, I just wanted to say, thanks a lot for your help and insights with regards this.

Good to be finally back on [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] and starting PE again. I've updated the first post with an update on this project!
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You should post it again in a new post, in this thread so guys don't miss it.
 
pest;663835 said:
Hey guys, I just wanted to say, thanks a lot for your help and insights with regards this.

Good to be finally back on [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] and starting PE again. I've updated the first post with an update on this project!
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Welcome back
 
pest;663835 said:
Hey guys, I just wanted to say, thanks a lot for your help and insights with regards this.

Good to be finally back on [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] and starting PE again. I've updated the first post with an update on this project!
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2 weeks, no word. You OK buddy?
 
Hey Guys,

Sorry it's taken me so long to reply. I'm crazy busy these days.

Just a quick answer to the sceptics. I'm scpetical, we're all sceptical and I hope the name TrouserSnakeOil gives you an idea that we are giving a tongue in cheek nod to that whole issue. This isn't a magic bullet. But we all come from an athletic / sports / training background and we approach things in that way - nutrition, recovery, healing, etc. In all of our backgrounds we've used topical creams and gells (hell, most track athletes use topical testosterone as it's hard to detect and easy to administer). So, we look to have an oil that provides the optimum training and recovery enviornment. It's not perfect, it's not snake oil, but it is a good product and we try to put it out there in a fun way.

If y'all have questions for me let me know and I'll try get back to you.
 
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