what is the best hanging angle for my lot?

i posted this before in the "hanging section" but i guess i should have put it here.anyways,here my question.
ive read and read about the whole "lot" thing.i dont want to sound like a moron,but i gotta ask if i'm gettin this right.ok,i get my greatest loss of tug back pulling staight down(6:00 ?) i get the stongest tug back pulling straight up(12:00?) if i got this right then my question is this: for best results i should hang at the 12:00 angle(hang in the direction of the strongest tug back)?have i got the right grasp on this(pun intended),or am i doing it backwards?

WNT2,

You have determined that your LOT is somewhere between 6 and 12, which does not tell you much. At what point does the tugback begin to lessen? That is the point at which your ligs begin to take the stress of the stretch from your tunica, and will give some more information.

If your LOT is actually close to 6, then you are correct. You need to hang at the upper angles, anywhere from SO to OTS to solely hit the tunica. This should provide growth in the inner and outer tunica, and perhaps raise your LOT. If you raise your LOT, you should be able, at some point, to work the ligs and get further lig gains.

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BIB
thanks! i modified my hanging a little to cover all bases in case i made an error in determining my lot.here is the routine i tried last.it really really was a good workout.next morning i was still "feeling full",and "heavy"
10 lbs 20 mins upward angle (i put a pulley on the chair back for this angle)
15 lbs 10-15 mins u/a (time depends on my hanger grip)
10 lbs 20 mins u/a
10 lbs 20 mins u/a
then i added:
10 lbs 20 mins doward angle
10 lbs 20 mins over my right leg
10 lbs 20 mins over left leg
also note that i do a 10 -15 minute warm down(with a heating pad) in between each set.this is a very intense workout and i think i could only do the add on's 3 times a week,or every other day.
do you think the add on's will be benificial,or a waste of time?
...btw,hanging really seems to be working my girth(base to mid shaft) does this seem unusual?

WNT2,

I always concentrated on one angle, or one general area for a good while, as in weeks. I worked that area, or angle to total fatigue, before changing to another area or angle. You seem to have a shotgun approach. That may work great for you. Please let us know how it goes.

>also note that i do a 10 -15 minute warm down(with a heating pad) in between each set.<

Do you warm up for 10-15 minutes before you begin hanging?

>do you think the add on's will be benificial,or a waste of time?<

I am not sure what this means.

>...btw,hanging really seems to be working my girth(base to mid shaft) does this seem unusual?<

No, I gained 1.5 inches of base girth from hanging. Many guys report this. I do not know the mechanism for it.

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Bib said:

I always concentrated on one angle, or one general area for a good while, as in weeks. I worked that area, or angle to total fatigue, before changing to another area or angle.

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Do you change at the point of fatigue or train the same angle in fatigue for a while before switching?

doublelongdaddy said:

Do you change at the point of fatigue or train the same angle in fatigue for a while before switching?

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assuming that fatigue is when my penis says:"stop!,no more,i had enough for today!".i guess my answer would be it varies.please let me explain:
my absolute bare minimum,everyday routine is:

15-20min warm up w/heating pad
15lbs 10-15 mins upward angle (i put a pulley on the chair back for this angle)
(time depends on my hanger grip)
10-15 warm down/up
10 lbs 20 mins u/a
10-15 warm down/up
10 lbs 20 mins over right leg
10-15 warm down/up
10 lbs 20 mins over left leg
10-15 warm down/up
bib never really gave me an answer on these different angles(i musta pissed him off somehow,i think)so i figured i would cover the bases,by alternating the angle.i dont do 1 same angle to fatigue.if i have the time i just keep hitting the different angles until i do (up,right,left,and back to up)
please keep in mind the set above is is the "least" that i do on a single day
my work schedule varies bigtime,which usualy allows me 2-3 "super sessions" per week.these sessions vary,but usualy include 8 -10 hanging sets,followed by jelqing/edging for 1-2 hours(i dont count cause it bores me)just do it til my dick says"stop".sometimes i can hang a few more sets after,sometimes i cant.
i kegal whenever i think about it though out the day,and i do manual stretches when in the shower.
i hope i explained this so you can understand it.when i do those over leg hangs i feel a tremendous stretch.i dont hang srtaight down at all now because it seems/dosent feel like its doin anything.one other thing all my hanging has been high(hanger attached close to base of penis)i think this is whats giving me the girth gains.i would appreciat your opinion on this.thanks

DLD,

>Do you change at the point of fatigue or train the same angle in fatigue for a while before switching?<

When I was hanging, I would have mini-goals, and concentrate on only one angle for any given period. For example, if it was lig work, which I did for most of the first part of my Penis Enlargement career, my primary angle would be BTC. When I became totally fatigued BTC, just could not do it anymore, I would switch to SO.

Later, when concentrating on tunica work, I would hang OTS as my primary angle, and use SO or OTL as my secondary angle.

My thought was and still is, that the connective tissues which must be stressed in order to gain are very tough. When they become fatigued, weaker, that is the perfect time to continue to stress them in order to acheive maximum gains. Of course, if they become too sore, to the point of pain, or approaching pain, then that is a sign of impending injury. You must then back off at that particular angle.

Hitting all angles, all the time, for most guys, will not allow for tissue fatigue anywhere. It is just enough work to strengthen the tissues, rather than deform them.

WNT,

>bib never really gave me an answer on these different angles(i musta pissed him off somehow,i think)<

You did not piss me off at all. I thought I answered the question, but perhaps I did not understand it.

>so i figured i would cover the bases,by alternating the angle.i dont do 1 same angle to fatigue.if i have the time i just keep hitting the different angles until i do (up,right,left,and back to up)<

Starting out, you might reach fatigue while working several different angles. Later on, as the tissues become stronger, you will probably find that you will have to concentrate on only one or two angles.

I think working the angles you described are fine. Just not all at once.

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WNT,

I am sorry. I screwed up and missed your post in the quotes above. I did not see that you had replied to me again.

>i am not quite sure what you mean by "shotgun" approach?<

Shotgun approach would be hitting all the angles in a short period of time trying to make something happen. As opposed to concentrating on one goal at a time, working one set of tissues to fatigue, and permanent deformation.

>"Do you warm up for 10-15 minutes before you begin hanging?"
most definatly,sometimes 20-30 mins before i start<

That is great.

>do you think the add on's will be benificial,or a waste of time?
i guess i meant that if i am supposed to be hanging s/o ,then any hanging straight down would be for nothing?<

No, it will not be a waste of time. As long as you are reaching fatigue, then you can be fairly certain that you are deforming tissue. Having a secondary angle of hang is great. But later, when your tissues have adapted, you will find that you probably have to concentrate on only one or two angles to reach that fatigue. But then, your milage may vary.

>did you gain mid shaft at all from hanging?<

No, almost none.

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BIB
thanks man,that gives me a clearer understanding.
i read a post on the bpfsl,and how the gains on that measurement almost always precede/lead to the erect gains.and after i read it i found i was 1/2" shorter than past measusements.CYBERSHOT suggested taking the measurements after a heat wrap.i did,and got a 1/4" back.anyway,i am gonna experiment over the next few days and hang only at one angle to fatigue,then measure after each session(and a warm down)to isolate which angle is giving me the 1/2".once i figure that out the i am only going to hang at that angle.does this sound like a good strategy?
if what i said sounds right,then heres my next question:
assuming i found my most productive angle,how do i determine when it is time to move to another? will there come a time that my penis just says "NO" right from the start of my set,or do i just wait until no more gains come from that angle?
not to be a pain in the ass,but i have another question.
i have been hanging "high"(near the penis base) almost exclusively.i think this is what has been giving me,helping the girth gains i mentioned.do you think that i should alternate hanging high or low,say every other day,or could you tell me what are the pros and cons of hanging high,or hanging low?
thanks
ps my goal is to gain 2" in both length and girth,and i realize that(hopefuly)i will most likely get the 2" in length,before the 2" girth,at which time i will have to do "girth ony"exercises.but in the meantime gains from either are welcome

WNT,

>i read a post on the bpfsl,and how the gains on that measurement almost always precede/lead to the erect gains.and after i read it i found i was 1/2" shorter than past measusements.CYBERSHOT suggested taking the measurements after a heat wrap.i did,and got a 1/4" back.<

Gains measurements are like the stock market. They go up and down, but the general trend is up.

>anyway,i am gonna experiment over the next few days and hang only at one angle to fatigue,then measure after each session(and a warm down)to isolate which angle is giving me the 1/2".once i figure that out the i am only going to hang at that angle.does this sound like a good strategy?<

Well, I have never heard of that before. Could be interesting. But if I were you, I would find my LOT, a good reading, and hang accordingly.

>if what i said sounds right,then heres my next question:
assuming i found my most productive angle,how do i determine when it is time to move to another? will there come a time that my penis just says "NO" right from the start of my set,or do i just wait until no more gains come from that angle?<

Two different things: You should have a primary angle that you start the day at. Then a secondary angle that you work when too fatigued to hang at the primary angle, even at much lower weights. Start your hanging day at the primary angle. Then, even if it is the first set, switch to the secondary angle when you cannot hang at the primary angle, even a much lower weight.

Now, a different topic: When to change your primary angle. That would be when you go for a couple months without measureable gains. You can also check that with your LOT, to see if there is a defineable reason. You want to wait at least six weeks to two months without gains so the gains you have made will hopefully be cemented.

>not to be a pain in the ass,but i have another question.
i have been hanging "high"(near the penis base) almost exclusively.i think this is what has been giving me,helping the girth gains i mentioned.do you think that i should alternate hanging high or low,say every other day,or could you tell me what are the pros and cons of hanging high,or hanging low?<

The lower you attach the hanger, closer to the base, the more likely you will stretch only skin. If that is what you are trying to do at any given time, that is great. The closer you attach to the head, the more likely you will stretch the internal structures. That is what truly gives the gains. But you must always stretch some skin first.

It is easy to tell what is being stressed while you are actually hanging. Just reach down and pull on the skin a bit. If it is tight, you are probably stretching skin.

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BIB
thanks man!
i read a past post of yours where you said that the skin has to be stretched "BEFORE" any length gains can be made.well i guess i have stetched the skin plenty,and now i will be hanging near the head.hopefuly i can cement some (or all )of that half inch!....whole different feeling hanging near the head
ps
i determined that hanging S/U is the one that does me best.i will use the "over leg" as a secondary.thanks again

WNT,

>i read a past post of yours where you said that the skin has to be stretched "BEFORE" any length gains can be made.<

Skin has to be either stretched before the internals are stressed, or at the same time. It is easier, more efficient, takes less intensity, if you do it one at a time, ie- stretch the skin first.

>well i guess i have stetched the skin plenty,and now i will be hanging near the head.hopefuly i can cement some (or all )of that half inch!....whole different feeling hanging near the head<

Be sure you wrap and attach the hanger AT LEAST one inch behind the glans. If cut, somewhere around the circ scar should be fine.

>i determined that hanging S/U is the one that does me best.i will use the "over leg" as a secondary.<

I do not know what S/U is.

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