Things My Wife Told Me Last Night

Things have been kind of rocky for my wife and I the last few weeks. I won't go into all the details, because some of them are still kind of painful. We came as close to divorce as we ever have in ten years of marriage. I'll just say here that over the holiday, she revealed to me several secrets she had been keeping from me during our marriage that really shook my trust in her.

After two long weeks of very honest and emotional communication, confessions and bitter fighting, we have come through the tunnel into the light. Things are better now for us and we feel much closer to one another than we ever have before.

I want this to be an upbeat and informative post, so I will skip all the heartbreak and get to the point.

Last night we made love for the first time. It was wonderful. I have always felt like she was holding something back from me but could never exactly figure out what it was. But last night, she gave herself to me totally. I had endured all the pain of her horrible revelations and secrets and stuck with her, and was rewarded with her total surrender and love. When she kissed me, it was with such wild abandon that it is burned into my mind. We both came simultaneously, and when it was done, these are some of the things she told me.

Thanks to Penis Enlargement exercises, I was now the biggest man she had ever been with...but here's the catch! She didn't really care about the length and couldn't understand why guys got so hung up about it. She told me that the only way she could even tell I was the biggest was because it jabbed sometimes if we were really going at it. She said that she liked it being longer, but if I kept doing Penis Enlargement, I would not be able to put it all the way in her. According to her, girth is actually what women like so long as the guy is at least average in length. She said she could always tell the difference, girth-wise, between her past lovers and myself, and always enjoyed our lovemaking-- EVEN WHEN I WAS FAT AND SHORT-COCKED!-- because it was always pretty thick. I was surprised because I always kind of thought length was what mattered to women. Now I am convinced that it is girth that really matters, like several guys here on the forum have said all along. To finish things off, she also said that the foreskin restoration is what made the most difference in our sex life...for her, anyway. Even more so than the extra inch or so in length I've gained and the inch in girth!!! She said that the loose shaft skin made sex much more comfortable for her, cause she no longer dried out or felt like I was rubbing her raw, and that the un-curving of my cock made it feel much more normal and natural for her.

It is for those reasons I am changing my goals a little, making foreskin restoration more of a priority and lengthening less so. I am going to concentrate my Penis Enlargement efforts on added girth and spend my energy on getting that foreskin grown! If I ever bust that 8 inch mark BP, I'll be happy, but I am not going to measure myself so compulsively, hoping to see a gain in length. I am going to clamp and jelq my ass off from now on and continue the FR!

Congratulations Kong on your "new" relationship. It is always nice to hear good stories from people who have been married for some time. Plus your conversations help your Penis Enlargement become more narrowly focused which in my opinion will lead to easier gains.

Great story Kong it feels good to hear that a couple can work things out and not break up at the first sign of trouple. I would just really wish my gf was as supporting about my Penis Enlargement as our wife is. Just a little side question what girth are you shooting for?

Im glad to hear that you and your wife worked everything out and that you could look past her holding back the secrets. I fucking hate secrets, and I wouldnt have been able to keep the marriage going like you did.

About 3 years ago, my wife and I went through a real shit-ride. It took us a long time to get over, but I think we're both the better for it. Good luck to you. Big revalations can be crushing, but it sounds like you're doing great. Congratulations.

Real nice post there kong, good to see your both strong enough to accept the good with the bad and move on and work things out.

One thing that struck me during our conversation was when she told me that she couldn't understand why men got so hung up on size. According to her, girth is the only thing that she could really FEEL and judge the size of. I started thinking about it seriously. If SHE is happy with my size and always was, because of my above-average girth, why had it become an issue for me? I was always happy with my dick...how did it become such a concern for me?

I thought back through my life...particularly my sexuality. I was always very free spirited and experimental and always had fun with sex. When I was younger, I never gave a second thought to size. All I ever heard women say was that size didn't matter...so how did it begin to matter for me?! Why does it matter to any of us?!?!

I have begun to believe that all this obsession about penis size is not about size at all but about circumcision. Are we compensating for a perceived lack of size...OR A MISSING PART OF OUR ANATOMY?!?! The problem is, most men are circed at birth and have no idea what is really missing. I did not realize it myself til about a year ago, when I began to have a marked decrease in sexual pleasure. The decrease in my libido was due to extreme keratinization of the glans...but all I knew was that I was not happy with my sex life and thought it might be cured by purchasing a penis pump and making it bigger. I didn't know anything about circumcision or what was lost with the foreskin...all I had was a dick that wasn't making me happy anymore until I stumbled across the truth.

I am the biggest she's ever had now and it makes me feel good to hear that...but in her own words, it didn't matter then and it didn't matter now...so long as I was big enough to get her off, she didn't care and couldn't really tell for sure anyway until I started getting long enough to gouge her inside.

It's such a complicated issue...I would be interested in hearing your thoughts about it.

that's awesome Kong... I feel you on this whole topic...why has it become such an issue with me??? I'm restoring and I feel better about my penis, even if it is different. But congrats on getting through that rough patch with your wife. I hope and pray that you guys will continue to love and care for each other unconditionally. You have had a positive effect on me in a number of your posts, and you've given me a bit to look forward to when I get married. Hopefully we'll be able to share everything and not hold anything back from the start, and be one of those rare couples that survives the ups and downs of life.

kong1971 said:

One thing that struck me during our conversation was when she told me that she couldn't understand why men got so hung up on size. According to her, girth is the only thing that she could really FEEL and judge the size of. I started thinking about it seriously. If SHE is happy with my size and always was, because of my above-average girth, why had it become an issue for me? I was always happy with my dick...how did it become such a concern for me?

I thought back through my life...particularly my sexuality. I was always very free spirited and experimental and always had fun with sex. When I was younger, I never gave a second thought to size. All I ever heard women say was that size didn't matter...so how did it begin to matter for me?! Why does it matter to any of us?!?!

I have begun to believe that all this obsession about penis size is not about size at all but about circumcision. Are we compensating for a perceived lack of size...OR A MISSING PART OF OUR ANATOMY?!?! The problem is, most men are circed at birth and have no idea what is really missing. I did not realize it myself til about a year ago, when I began to have a marked decrease in sexual pleasure. The decrease in my libido was due to extreme keratinization of the glans...but all I knew was that I was not happy with my sex life and thought it might be cured by purchasing a penis pump and making it bigger. I didn't know anything about circumcision or what was lost with the foreskin...all I had was a dick that wasn't making me happy anymore until I stumbled across the truth.

I am the biggest she's ever had now and it makes me feel good to hear that...but in her own words, it didn't matter then and it didn't matter now...so long as I was big enough to get her off, she didn't care and couldn't really tell for sure anyway until I started getting long enough to gouge her inside.

It's such a complicated issue...I would be interested in hearing your thoughts about it.

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I can't really stress your points enough. The fact size truly does not matter is a fact that guys will never accept due to the fact it's shoved in our faces all the time by the media. Even if women know the size of the dick makes no difference in the feeling of sex, they will start to beleive that it does matter simply becuase its always shoved in our faces by the media. I honestly don't care about my size, I thought my size was the reason for my insecurity by my real insecurity was my missing foreskin something which I only in recent months have realised. I tried to stress to you before Kong that FR should take prority over Penis Enlargement as it is the most important. I beleive that size doesn't matter as an underlying fact, but having a foreskin or not DOES matter in sex. It changes the way sex feels immensely as it adds lube and lots more movement, vs a dry and chafing cut penis. What women feel in sex is not the size, its the intensity of having sex with the man she feels something for, the intimacy, the love - remember she loves YOU not your penis, its more about the man attached to the penis that matters. When two people are really 'going' at it, do you really think it matters a great deal if your dick is plus or minus 2"?.
A 4" girth vs a 6" girth isnt really going to change anything on the pleasure scale, what it will change is how stretched out she feels, this varies from woman to woman of how this 'gets them off', but I gurantee its the love closeness and intimacy etc that truly matters. We are all hung up about something that truly doesnt matter to a woman, what matters is how close you are in the relationship and the love thats shared and felt.

Absolutely...great post EX.... For me I have had this same realization recently. Since I am mostly restored now and I can feel the difference, it's nota huge issue to me anymore. I don't know why, and I'm not quick to say that Fr has cured my size problems, because to a degree they still exist. I know that I'm getting back into shape after a long rest from this summer, and I'm focused in school, as well as Penis Enlargementing and Fring away. No stress to be anything or to do anything at a cetain time or be such and such place (except classes), and honestly my stress level is way down. I know that I want a bigger penis for me, and that it won't matter to the woman I spend the rest of my life with because she will love me....and the penis is attached to me and that's going to be good enough for her...It's great to finally be able to put into words my thoughts on this very difficult issue, and to have finally realized that it's not going to matter....finally at peace with this...finally

Congrats Kong!

Kong, glad to hear of your progress and ongoing success with your wife. Marriage, like all of the most rewarding pursuits in life, is at times unbelievably difficult.

On this issue of size not being a factor in a woman's pleasure (I think this was the Executioner's idea?) - I just have to flat out disagree. A more accurate statement is that it's not the only factor. One might also take into account that not all women are the same. For a woman that is able to orgasm through deep penetration, size, length in particular, could be a very important factor. A woman with a larger vagina, particularly a woman who has had children, may indeed very much enjoy girth for friction and stretching. It's quite a narrow approach to assume any of us have a lock on what causes the most female pleasure, and once again especially ridiculous to assume it's the same for all women.

Thanks for letting me know how pathetic I am in my other thread, and for coming into this one and trying to squash the security I was begining to feel. You're a great help. :s

How is this squashing the security you're beginning to feel? As I understand you have quite a good size that your wife enjoys. I was simply stating that I believe size can be a factor in female pleasure, regardless of emotional elements.

I don't have anything against you personally, I just heavily disagree with a lot of things that you say. If I am sincerely bothering you with my commentary or actually undermining your confidence, let me know and I'll stop. BUt if you're confident in your opinions than what does a little dissent and persepctive hurt? You believe what you believe right? Plus, if you tell me not to post on your threads anymore I'll start one in the main forum titled "FR: Does Nothing But Grow A Little Skin and Makes Your Penis Smell Like Feta Cheese." Just kidding . . .

Sorry to hear about the bumpy road Kong.

Not that I care, but you do seem to have had some problems with me in the past. Also, you have always pitted yourself against my FR ideas on the premise that your gigantic, multi-orgasm-giving cock is fine being cut so everyone else should be fine, too. Not everyone is as lucky as you, swank... :s

Kong, what I feel about your postings in a penis enlargment forum and actually having a problem with you are quite different. And since you have already taken offense I guess I can't do much more damage by saying that you have shown yourself to be EXTREMELY sensitive to criticism on this forum.

However, my point is, I don't have any problem with you personally, you're just a stranger on the internet. I just disagree with some of the things you have to say.

And by the way, in the past, I've only mentioned my happiness with my circumcised dick as a burden of proof when contradicting your statements as something of a minor point. My main gripe is that you state a lot of sili and unresearched things (the famous "release the two inches inner penis" hype is my favorite) and state them as fact because you're so totally enthused about anything FR related. I think you don't scrutinize your sources and tend to believe anything you hear about it, as well as indulge in a bit of fantasy with yourself on the matter. If that makes you feel good, awsome, I don't care what people do with themselves. Your wife says it's amazing and has changed your sex lives for the better? Awsome and I'm glad to hear it, nor do I doubt it. I've asked women about it since I first learned of all this business and those that have slept with an uncircumcised guy, to a one, said they can't feel a damn bit of difference when it's hard and inside them. So that's my experience on the matter. Don't assume that it will amp up female pleasure for any woman and tell guys as much. That's just one example.

My problem is that I do believe when you crusade against circumcision and post 'facts' that aren't really validated, exagerate things, or otherwise make uninvestigated or screwball claims, you might be going a ways towards undermining the confidence of certain guys. Like I said before, there are clearly a lot of young, impressionable people on the forum, and as a heavy poster they'll take your word for it without much question.

Basically I don't believe that many men at all are suffering any troubles from their circs - but you're helping convince some that they probably are. And for those that already have sexual problems that you've convinced come from lack of a foreskin - those poor bastards are being distracted from getting real help by taping up their units every night and waiting to become 'whole men' again. In both scenarios more harm than good.

By the way, it's not the male clitoris. How many circumcised men can orgasm? Just about all I'd wager. I doubt it's the same for women. That's because there are more nerves packed into a clit than the entire head of a man's penis (you can look that one up). It's not the same physiologically.

And, as a final word, your manhood is not related to your dick. You're not incomplete if you have a small or circumcised dick, and you're no more of a man or complete being if you have the biggest, uncut dick on earth. You're dick is just a little external tube of flesh that's designed to impregnate a woman. If you believe that having a little fold of skin removed from it sexually shackles you and subjugates you to female will at birth, well, I guess you deserve all the self-loathing you can desire.

The reason I post this stuff is that I want guys to hear some other perspective on the issue. I don't like the idea of some fifteen year old tormented at night because he thinks his dick is ruined because his parents got him circumcised, capiche?

Defending my own views is not the same as being overly sensitive to criticism. Am I supposed to just sit around and let you shit on the things I believe to be true? I'm sure you would, but-- heh-heh-- you know that's NOT going to happen.

Your own personal happiness with your cock is NOT burden of proof that circumcision is harmless and has NO adverse effects on male sexuality. The same goes for me. My feelings of increased sexual satisfaction and psychological wholeness is not burden of proof either... if I was the only one. There is mounting evidence, however, that continues to grow day by day (as well as increasing anecdotal evidence circulated by restorers) that my view is the correct one and yours is wrong.

What is my view?

My official stated view is this (and you seem to have a hard time getting this through your hysterically closed mind): Circumcision MAY be harmful to the physical and psychological well-being of men sexually. Foreskin restoration MAY help some men repair some of the damage caused by circumcision.

Finally, the "screwball ideas" you claim I post recklessly are, in fact, researched and validated. Your OPINION that they are incorrect is, in fact, unresearched and invalidated.

Your belief that circumcision is harmless in ALL CASES and that the foreskin is not the analog of the female clitoris is totally wrong and marks you in my book as an idiot. Not because you disagree, but because you have not bothered to research and find out the facts for yourself. They are out there, these facts, surveys and studies, if you only care to look. But it is my sincere belief that you are threatened by any talk of foreskin restoration. You strike me as a vain man, with a terribly overbloated sense of your own sexual prowess, and a matching overbloated sense of your own intelligence and rightness.

Care to do some research with me?

All day today, I will post actual surveys, research papers and the like to support my "screwball" and "unvalidated" ideas.

Am I being overly sensitive to your criticism?

Nope.

I am only defending something that I truly believe in, and I apologize if it hurts you in some manner. I do not want anyone to feel that circumcision makes them less of a man. I only want all men who were cut to know that they can have MORE!!!

I look forward to reviewing what you come up with.

Please note for anybody following the thread, I never said that it is harmless in "all" cases as Kong as falsely quoted me.

In regards to your 'officially stated' view, rarely have I heard you include the term "may" or any other possibility clause with your statements. If you did this more consistently I would have little to criticize.

In regards to your previously used sources: I consider a credible source something that would be an acceptable usage on an academic or research paper. FR sights and informal internet surveys, while perhaps shedding insight, are far from medical fact.

I will ignore the shallow personal remarks, as I could care less what some dweeb on the internet has to say about me : )

Swank said:

Please note for anybody following the thread, I never said that it is harmless in "all" cases as Kong as falsely quoted me.

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This is what you say two posts ago:

"Basically I don't believe that many men at all are suffering any troubles from their circs..."

Do you tell paraplegics to get up out of their wheelchairs and quit faking it?

:s