With programming I'm referring to how you structure everything, that is: Every detail of your program, from stretching techniques, how many bundles, intensity (stretching force), length of stretch (time) and more...

I did 3 days on 1 day off with LengthMaster 3 with full SRT healing, and I gained a lot of length, so post #15 you wrote are very true, according to my personal experience.
I have reached my length goals and currently cementing them. I am now focused on girth.

Measuring a slight gain in BPFSL has happened to me before after taking a couple of days off, but that is because the swelling had subsided, allowing for a greater flaccid stretch due to the stretching work I had been doing. This can happen on occasion, especially if you break through a plateau, but I wouldn't bank on it being a reliable, long term strategy. You obviously have a different experience.

I have always done what the big gainers such as DLD have done, which is to do PE every single day and work through the discomfort. Pull out the adhesions, and create more adhesions over time with a solid routine. No days off. DLD has gained the most out of everyone doing it this way, and following this strategy has worked out for me as well.

I don't know how 1 day on, 3 days off would work theoretically speaking, since you are taking more time off than you are working. I do not see how you can make consistent gains doing it this way, but I certainly cannot argue with your results. If this strategy is bringing you gains consistently, consider yourself extremely lucky.

I am sure it would not have worked for me, because I used to toy around with PE in the beginning with an on and off schedule, and got absolutely nowhere.

Congrats on your success.
 
I have reached my length goals and currently cementing them. I am now focused on girth.

Measuring a slight gain in BPFSL has happened to me before after taking a couple of days off, but that is because the swelling had subsided, allowing for a greater flaccid stretch due to the stretching work I had been doing. This can happen on occasion, especially if you break through a plateau, but I wouldn't bank on it being a reliable, long term strategy. You obviously have a different experience.

I have always done what the big gainers such as DLD have done, which is to do PE every single day and work through the discomfort. Pull out the adhesions, and create more adhesions over time with a solid routine. No days off. DLD has gained the most out of everyone doing it this way, and following this strategy has worked out for me as well.

I don't know how 1 day on, 3 days off would work theoretically speaking, since you are taking more time off than you are working. I do not see how you can make consistent gains doing it this way, but I certainly cannot argue with your results. If this strategy is bringing you gains consistently, consider yourself extremely lucky.

I am sure it would not have worked for me, because I used to toy around with PE in the beginning with an on and off schedule, and got absolutely nowhere.

Congrats on your success.
You are not reading what I'm writing.
When did I even wrote: 1 day on, 3 days off?
 
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itshopeandlove,

but felt like my flaccid is shorter which I believe is called retraction? Should I take a break?

I would be worried if your tunica did NOT retract somewhat after doing length work. The fact that it is doing that means you are on the right track. It means that you have successfully created micro damage in the tunica, which is precisely what you want if you are serious about gaining length. Great job!

Retraction will keep happening throughout your PE career, especially after an intense workout where you have created a good deal of micro damage. Retraction, swelling, whatever you want to call it, is the body's natural defense mechanism, so do not be afraid of it, or think that it will hinder gains. Quite the opposite.

When you hang the next day, all of those fibers in the tunica that underwent deformation will be the first ones in line to be challenged, or "pulled out." That is why the tissues can be very sore the next day, especially after an intense workout the previous day. But then, as you keep stretching, they eventually give in and the stretch becomes comfortable again. As you keep doing this over and over, you will get longer.

So do not fear retraction. It is your body's natural response and is a GOOD thing. The most important thing to remember in PE is to remain consistent. If you take days off and allow your tissues to fully heal after a good workout, then you might as well stop doing PE altogether. There is absolutely nothing more counterproductive in the realm of PE than allowing your tissues to fully heal. You need to attack the target tissues every day, to reopen the fibers from previous work, and then proceed to deform more tissue from there. That is the only way to do this correctly.
Thanks grandmaster , you seem to have the same analogy as BIBs ( bigger) and I fully believe in it too.

may I ask what we’re your gains from hanging?
 
Thanks grandmaster , you seem to have the same analogy as BIBs ( bigger) and I fully believe in it too.

may I ask what we’re your gains from hanging?
Not much from hanging. Around half an inch or so. I got most of my gains through manuals and using an extender.

I don't know what you mean by Bib's analogies. I learned how to use his hanger from him, but apart from that I haven't been to his forum in over a decade.
 
I also used my own homemade hanger that I gained with. I don't remember how much I gained with hanging overall, but I did gain a total of 2.5".

How about you? How much have you gained so far and how long have you been doing PE?
 
I also used my own homemade hanger that I gained with. I don't remember how much I gained with hanging overall, but I did gain a total of 2.5".

How about you? How much have you gained so far and how long have you been doing PE?
I started on December 4 2023 and gained 0.8 inches in length which I believe is considered a fast gainer and haven’t bothered to measure the girth cause I will focus on that later.
 
I also used my own homemade hanger that I gained with. I don't remember how much I gained with hanging overall, but I did gain a total of 2.5".

How about you? How much have you gained so far and how long have you been doing PE?
What was your routine if you mind me asking? Your tips for a newbie like me etc
 
What was your routine if you mind me asking? Your tips for a newbie like me etc
Oh man... I had many different routines over the years; from manuals, to hanging, to using an extender. Do you mean specifically for hanging?

If you mean for hanging, I started out with BTC and made some gains from it. This was all after I had hit a plateau doing manuals and was looking for something more intense. Anyway, after a while I had also hit a plateau with hanging, and wasn't measuring gains hanging BTC for a few months, so I got fed up and threw in the towel. I remember Bib kept pushing the narrative that I had to continue hanging BTC, even though I wasn't gaining from it anymore... something to do with his LOT theory. It took me a while to break out of that programming and go my own way.

I have learned many things about PE, from many Guru's, including DLD, but ultimately, in the end, you will realize that you need to become your own Guru and find out what works for you through experimentation. The Guru's are a step in the right direction, especially if they have proven credibility, because you will gain a lot of knowledge from them as a newbie. However, what worked for them might not necessarily work work you. It is best to look to them as a guide; you can adopt some of what they teach if it works for you, and modify or even completely neglect other things if they are not helping or have adverse effects.

In my case, after a certain point I knew I was wasting my time hanging BTC, so changed strategy and decided to focus mainly on tunica work. Hanging at the BTC angle does stress the tunica, obviously, but it is nowhere near as effective compared to SO and OTS. I remember I was having issues hanging SO with the BIB, so I actually built my own hanger made from PVC pipe that proved to be much more comfortable at that angle -- and even though I was restricted in the amount of weight I could hang, it wasn't a problem at all because the fatigue at lower weights was extremely intense at that angle, especially after hanging multiple sets. I gained some (I do not have exact numbers because it was a long time ago) and eventually gave that up and switched to extending + manuals where I gained the rest. I used an extender as the main tool, and also used DLD blasters, rotary cranks, and basic stretching at the upper angles (5-10 minute sessions several times a day) to pull out the adhesions I had created using the extender. This worked well for delaying the healing process, instead of keeping it extended all day long, which is almost impossible to do if we're being honest with ourselves.

All of these methods worked: manuals, hanging, and extending. I realized gains from all of them. The best tip I can give you is to be consistent with your routine, whatever you decide to do. The main reason for my success using all three of these methods was not that one was necessarily better than the other... it was that I did what I had to do every single day, hitting those target tissues, breaking them down. No days off! At times, I had to work through some discomfort, but that is part of the game. I do not support taking days off, because that is what worked FOR ME. When I would take days off and mess around, there were no gains to measure when the time came. I had to learn the hard way, through countless failures.

Anyway, I have some good experience with hanging, so if you have any questions or need any tips I would be happy to help. I know I went off on a rant.

Good luck in your journey.
 
What was your routine if you mind me asking? Your tips for a newbie like me etc
We have newbie material pinned at top in Penis Enlargement Forum. There are many videos and programs there. One tip: Bundled stretches are superior.
 
itshopeandlove,

but felt like my flaccid is shorter which I believe is called retraction? Should I take a break?

I would be worried if your tunica did NOT retract somewhat after doing length work. The fact that it is doing that means you are on the right track. It means that you have successfully created micro damage in the tunica, which is precisely what you want if you are serious about gaining length. Great job!💯agree!

Retraction will keep happening throughout your PE career, especially after an intense workout where you have created a good deal of micro damage. Retraction, swelling, whatever you want to call it, is the body's natural defense mechanism, so do not be afraid of it, or think that it will hinder gains. Quite the opposite.

When you hang the next day, all of those fibers in the tunica that underwent deformation will be the first ones in line to be challenged, or "pulled out." That is why the tissues can be very sore the next day, especially after an intense workout the previous day. But then, as you keep stretching, they eventually give in and the stretch becomes comfortable again. As you keep doing this over and over, you will get longer.

So do not fear retraction. It is your body's natural response and is a GOOD thing. The most important thing to remember in PE is to remain consistent. If you take days off and allow your tissues to fully heal after a good workout, then you might as well stop doing PE altogether. There is absolutely nothing more counterproductive in the realm of PE than allowing your tissues to fully heal. You need to attack the target tissues every day, to reopen the fibers from previous work, and then proceed to deform more tissue from there. That is the only way to do this correctly.
 
Not much from hanging. Around half an inch or so. I got most of my gains through manuals and using an extender.

I don't know what you mean by Bib's analogies. I learned how to use his hanger from him, but apart from that I haven't been to his forum in over a decade.

I gained about the same, but after that I no longer was able to hang to make growt..but the best possible hanger you can buy is the length master.
 
I gained about the same, but after that I no longer was able to hang to make growt..but the best possible hanger you can buy is the length master.
I might try it one day, just to see how it feels. But I've reached my length goals already, and only have 3/8" left for girth.

If I decide I want more length in the future, I will definitely give the lengthmaster a try.
 
Try both of them combined and see what your gains are r
 
Hey guys when you’re talking about retraction , do you mean BPFSL size smaller or only when the penis is hanging?
 
Hey guys when you’re talking about retraction , do you mean BPFSL size smaller or only when the penis is hanging?

This thread is referring to the retraction that happens when the penis is not wrapped to stay elongated after a length session. You want to wrap the penis to enable it heal in an elongated state. You want to do both active PE and passive PE.
 
When stretching hard you will see retraction sometimes after session. Run your MOSRED for 15 minutes, and then put on a pel.wrap (Penis Elongation Wrap) or ADS (All Day Stretcher = low tension) and you're good.
 
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When stretching hard you will see retraction sometimes after session. Run your MOSRED for 15 minutes, and then put on a pel.wrap (Penis Elongation Wrap) or ADS (All Day Stretcher = low tension) and you're good.
Post training is as important as training itself
 
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