NoFap no ���� Accountability Thread

[Big Schwanz Acht]

everything is ���� and nothing is ����...the depiction of sexual acts have been well documented since the beginning of time and what used to be considered ������������, even 50 years ago, would be on cable TV these days. Wait another 50 years and a triple-team bukake-fest would probably be considered tame. The real question is far more personal...did viewing (insert whatever you were watching here) make you feel like you were demeaning yourself? Demeaning others? Objectifying the women in your life? If yes, then I'd say the affect of ����������� created those ill feelings...if no, then you were watching something erotic that caused you to have an orgasm. My views on ����������� may differ from the norm, but it's my belief that viewing something that creates feelings of aggression/angst/guilt/shame/etc. is ������������. Watching hate crimes, acts against women/children/animals are all things I consider ������������ (and the images could be fully clothed) so coitus (or any variation thereof) doesn't need to be included.
Now to the 'justification' part...the only reason one would feel the need to ask/need this would be if one felt they were doing something wrong, (read: guilt/shame) if you didn't feel the need to justify, then the act was within your moral boundaries. I'd peel-back your moral 'onion' and find the root of your 'guilt', it may provide you the freedoms that Mother Nature intended.
(this response was typed with my purest intentions and deep caring/love for you, Mike and The Brotherhood)

 

[DLD]

theres not much difference between cartoons and real,the purpose can be the same they show erotic scenes to arouse the mind....Besides lets be realistic not even religious people can keep themselves away from lust (I.E. masturbation)

Agree Short, no one is void of temptations, lust and the things that ensue. You are right, it was ���� and I was justifying it.

did viewing (insert whatever you were watching here) make you feel like you were demeaning yourself? Demeaning others? Objectifying the women in your life? If yes, then I'd say the affect of ����������� created those ill feelings.

I am not sure on this. The first stuff I viewed definitely demeaned the women but soon I was led in another direction with the the cartoons. I thought to myself, thee are not women, they are cartoons so maybe it is OK. I knew in myself it was not OK but I did it anyway. I was very strong up until this point. I did stop smoking cigarettes this week which may add to the stress I am feeling (not that this is an excuse but maybe it contributed). I am so tired and depressed this morning. I prayed for forgiveness and I know I am forgiven I just find it so hard to forgive myself. When I woke up this morning the enemy in my mind was saying "well, you fucked up wit the ����, you might as well smoke cigarettes again" I hate this type of shit! I hate the accusations. I hate that nagging voice! Just venting guys, but I hate this enemy!


I also understand your point on what I consider to be ���� and in my mind it is pretty much everything and that is the sad part, this world is nothing but sex and lust at every corner.

 

[Big Schwanz Acht]

I also understand your point on what I consider to be ���� and in my mind it is pretty much everything and that is the sad part, this world is nothing but sex and lust at every corner.

Be that as it may, we all need to navigate societal trappings in the best way we're able...I find the biggest hurdle is when my mores conflict with what Mother Nature intended.

 

[DLD]

Be that as it may, we all need to navigate societal trappings in the best way we're able...I find the biggest hurdle is when my mores conflict with what Mother Nature intended.

That is the struggle, my beliefs conflict with nature in this way...

 

[Big Schwanz Acht]

That is the struggle, my beliefs conflict with nature in this way...

exactly! (who do you think is going to win that battle?) mitigate and manage without guilt or shame...

 

[DLD]

exactly! (who do you think is going to win that battle?) mitigate and manage without guilt or shame...

Indeed, the devil is the guilt and the shame, God is the mitigator and manager in my life and when I follow the way I never fall into guilt, only conviction.

Thanks so much Big for all your help through this. You understand my position and you are not trying to justify or change me, you are showing loving concern and I appreciate that so much. I never want to hear what I want to hear! I want to hear what I need to hear.

 

[DLD]

exactly! (who do you think is going to win that battle?) mitigate and manage without guilt or shame...

Hey Big, Wanted to come in and talk a bit. I slipped last night and ended up masturbating and watching ����. No excuses, my fault and I have prayed for forgiveness. I wanted to add another reason why I ended up here again and this is a very important thing to understand. I read a lot, whenever I am not here I am reading. Yesterday I was reading a book on the interpretation of some parts of the Bible and about maybe 50 pages in I started to realize the guy was not interpreting, he was justifying his sinful lifestyle. I got kind of obsessed and continued reading waiting for him to prove me wrong and make a final explanation that explained his position, but it did not. It basically ended like this, you can do whatever you want because it is all from God and since God made it you can do it. He went on to say that you can basically do anything you want and you will still get to Heaven, even hate and not believing in God. After I read this I became consumed with some of his justifications and I wanted to go back and read some parts again and when I did I ended up on a ���� site.

I think the message here is that there are some things we should not allow ourselves to read. I, personally, am against every religion. I grew up Roman Catholic but over my time in my own ministry I have realized, in religion, anything man touches, that has to do with God, he turns to shit. Today I base every belief I have on the true interpretation of the Bible. I am very simple in my approach to Jesus and I eliminate all the man made rules and guilt trips. When I sin I feel terrible, not because I sinned and not because I fear some punishment, when I sin I feel bad because I have hurt Jesus and abused the gift He has given me. So I avoid as much religion as possible so as not to pollute my childish ways of loving God. Occasionally, like yesterday, I will become enticed by a book and end up reading something I should have gotten approved by my Spiritual Director before hand. I did not and I ended up with a head full of justifications.

Your thoughts are always so encouraging and help me get up quicker every time. I look forward to your help my Brother!

 

[DLD]

Prayer for those struggling

Father, I come to you in the name of Jesus Christ, and I bring to you my struggle with masturbation. Father, forgive me, for I want to live a life that is honouring to you and one free from form slavery. Lord forgive me for looking to another source of comfort rather than the COMFORTER whom you have promised. Holy Spirit reveal to me the roots of my problem.

In the name of Jesus I command every spirit of sexual perversion working against my life to go, all mind polluting thought’s of fantasy every arrow of lust that the enemy would shoot against me, I bind you in the name of Jesus Christ and forbid you from tormenting me any more. I speak to every evil spirit and I remind you that I have been bought by the precious Blood of Jesus Christ and that you no longer have any rights to operate in my life and that you must leave now, Lord shine your light into the dark areas of my life, surround me with a wall of fire and give me Your strength every day aganist my struggle. I pray this in the name of Jesus, Amen

 

[Big Schwanz Acht]

Hey Big, Wanted to come in and talk a bit. I slipped last night and ended up masturbating and watching ����. No excuses, my fault and I have prayed for forgiveness. I wanted to add another reason why I ended up here again and this is a very important thing to understand. I read a lot, whenever I am not here I am reading. Yesterday I was reading a book on the interpretation of some parts of the Bible and about maybe 50 pages in I started to realize the guy was not interpreting, he was justifying his sinful lifestyle. I got kind of obsessed and continued reading waiting for him to prove me wrong and make a final explanation that explained his position, but it did not. It basically ended like this, you can do whatever you want because it is all from God and since God made it you can do it. He went on to say that you can basically do anything you want and you will still get to Heaven, even hate and not believing in God. After I read this I became consumed with some of his justifications and I wanted to go back and read some parts again and when I did I ended up on a ���� site.

I think the message here is that there are some things we should not allow ourselves to read. I, personally, am against every religion. I grew up Roman Catholic but over my time in my own ministry I have realized, in religion, anything man touches, that has to do with God, he turns to shit. Today I base every belief I have on the true interpretation of the Bible. I am very simple in my approach to Jesus and I eliminate all the man made rules and guilt trips. When I sin I feel terrible, not because I sinned and not because I fear some punishment, when I sin I feel bad because I have hurt Jesus and abused the gift He has given me. So I avoid as much religion as possible so as not to pollute my childish ways of loving God. Occasionally, like yesterday, I will become enticed by a book and end up reading something I should have gotten approved by my Spiritual Director before hand. I did not and I ended up with a head full of justifications.

Your thoughts are always so encouraging and help me get up quicker every time. I look forward to your help my Brother!

We all have a 'personal prism' and see everything very uniquely. I've read your post 3 times in an attempt to find a commonality in how we perceive what 'sin' actually is. In my world, anything that disrespects either myself or anyone else is sinful, and unlike how I was raised (Catholic schools from Kindergarten thru when I graduated as a Junior) where sin is sin without varying degrees, I believe if my intentions are true in my heart and I've hurt someone, this is just a simple mistake of which I offer a sincere apology. If I'm riddled with guilt/shame from acting 'human', I'm paralyzed from living a full and abundant life. If ���� affects this ability, it's time for an adjustment...if masturbation takes-away from a chance to meet someone, then I need to re-think that behavior.
Give yourself the widest berth possible...if your actions are true and your intent is love, then everything you do will honor your God. He has provided you with an 'outlet' for a reason, so I'd look at masturbation as a gift to be enjoyed.

 

[DLD]

We all have a 'personal prism' and see everything very uniquely. I've read your post 3 times in an attempt to find a commonality in how we perceive what 'sin' actually is. In my world, anything that disrespects either myself or anyone else is sinful, and unlike how I was raised (Catholic schools from Kindergarten thru when I graduated as a Junior) where sin is sin without varying degrees, I believe if my intentions are true in my heart and I've hurt someone, this is just a simple mistake of which I offer a sincere apology. If I'm riddled with guilt/shame from acting 'human', I'm paralyzed from living a full and abundant life. If ���� affects this ability, it's time for an adjustment...if masturbation takes-away from a chance to meet someone, then I need to re-think that behavior.
Give yourself the widest berth possible...if your actions are true and your intent is love, then everything you do will honor your God. He has provided you with an 'outlet' for a reason, so I'd look at masturbation as a gift to be enjoyed.

Thanks Big, The thing is I don't enjoy it I was also raised Catholic. I am an ex-Catholic, I am a believer in the Gospels or Jesus Christ and I base my understanding on right and wrong based on His teachings. Catholic guilt I have destroyed for the most part. I would love to explain all of my positions as I think it would be good to exchange, I will do this in the appropriate place. Sin, to me, is anything that would hurt Jesus or separate me from Him. I have a very close relationship with Jesus and I never want to put that in jeopardy. But I do understand your way of measuring sin and I agree with you.

What I am loving most about this Big is finding all the secret ways the enemy gets to me. Every time I come back to load on you I have learned something more and the need to defend myself in that particular area. I never thought I could learn so much more about myself. I have learned so much since starting this thread that I am amazed! I love you guys so very much and I thank you for all the attention you give me.

DLD

 

[DLD]

10 days down, start again

 

[LONGERDICK7+]

I wouldnt worry about masturbation,i do masturbate before starting my lenght session....Is ok to knock one off at least once a week...there are so many other things that are worse than masturbation..

 

[DLD]

OK, I am setting a new goal. I have reset my mental button and I am setting a goal of 90 days. I have come to the conclusion that saying "I will never do this again" will never work. I also think my loose way of progressing in this was without the proper discipline needed. Setting a goal is going to be very helpful for me, so 90 days would be incredible. Last night I am clueless to why it happened, I had no desire, no urge, no dwelling on lust, nothing at all. I finished prayers and was getting ready for bed and I pulled out the computer and went right to it, as if it were not even me! I am not making excuses as I take full responsibility for this but I am curious to this fall and why it happened when I was not in any way dwelling on it. Perhaps the body needed a release and I did not realize it in my consciousness.

So why do relapses happen? Why is it so hard to remain consistent and conquer this? The only answer I can give is that we are built t this way. We have hungers that need to be filled one way or the other and if we do not do this ourselves consciously it will happen in any other way it can. I think that looking at NoPMO or NoFap as a method of moderation more than elimination is the best approach to this. 90 days is a good start and, in the place I am, a realistic goal. After 90 days I should gain quite a bit of confidence and maybe I can shoot for 6 months. Just like in PE, we need direction, goals, and support.

I hope my other NoFappers are doing well!

 

[DLD]

I wouldnt worry about masturbation,i do masturbate before starting my lenght session....Is ok to knock one off at least once a week...there are so many other things that are worse than masturbation..

Indeed there are! For me this has been a big lesson in self-discipline also. I understand that the act is not as bad as many things but it is the point that it has power over me that pisses me off. You know how much I value self-discipline, this is a big reason why I am attempting this.

 

[LONGERDICK7+]

Indeed there are! For me this has been a big lesson in self-discipline also. I understand that the act is not as bad as many things but it is the point that it has power over me that pisses me off. You know how much I value self-discipline, this is a big reason why I am attempting this.

Once or twice a month can be OK, wouldnt it be impossible to keep your hands off the penis,You ahve a 10 incher D,took you a lot of years to get there,you deserve some satisfaction..But if you want to quit permanently you know the way...

 

[DLD]

Indeed there are! For me this has been a big lesson in self-discipline also. I understand that the act is not as bad as many things but it is the point that it has power over me that pisses me off. You know how much I value self-discipline, this is a big reason why I am attempting this.[/QUOTE

Once or twice a month can be OK, wouldnt it be impossible to keep your hands off the penis,You ahve a 10 incher D,took you a lot of years to get there,you deserve some satisfaction..But if you want to quit permanently you know the way...

That has been my record for the most part. 90 days seems like a reasonable goal.

 

[rollfizzlebeef]

This would be easy if not for PE. I cannot get 100% erection quality in the bathmate without some type of visual stimulation. SSJ's and clamping is fine, otherwise.

I'm not sure how to win at this... As much as I hate ����

 

[acromegaly]

I'm going to beat it tonight no ladies will touch it lol

 

[Big Schwanz Acht]

I'm going to beat it tonight no ladies will touch it lol

I'm sure if you put some effort into it, there'd be a girl out there you could gape, lol

 

[acromegaly]

i really hope so man