Confused

That's cool with me, swank. Post to your heart's content. You say what you want to say and I'll say what I want to say. You have your opinion and I have mine. We don't have to like what each other think and say, but we have to put up with it. Hey, that's the American way!

Kong is not the only one here and elsewhere that believes in the bennefits of FR. I have been restoring for approximately 9 mounths. Started out slowly and got more serious about it as time went on.

After reading "Sex As Nature Intended It"(could not put it down once I started), I am more inspired than ever to accomplish this. Fact is , I don't even care if the book is a total freakin lie. It's given me the inspiration to go all the way....TEC.

ya baby....KOT

qd

Whoa, uh, okay. I know so much about FR from researching it on the internet after I first heard you claim that it makes your penis bigger, satisfies women more, ect. It sounded fishy, turns out it is, and so the debating started.

How would the amount of "mucuscal tissue" (which I heard for the first time the other day when you mentioned it) affect anybody's efforts to elongate shaft skin over the head? I don't really follow here. Does this mean some men can't do FR?

Talk about weird and desperate . . . for once I don't have much to say except that was pretty wild, might wanna take a little breather because your rage is obvious.

One thing though, and I've said it about a million times, but that goes for everything I have to post lately, I don't much care what you think of me personally. Doesn't have any bearing on if I think what you have to say is true or not.

I could be the biggest egomaniacal scoundral to ever walk the earth, but that doesn't mean that my criticisms and observations aren't accurate.

Also, I don't consider myself a sexual expert. What qualifies you Kong? That you're married and read about stuff on the internet? And if your reply is "Well I never said I was," then why should your opinion be the least bit more valid than mine? Oh yeah, appearently I have a big ego and look down on everybody, I'm a complete moron, I'm horribly insecure, and now we can add that I'm a "frustrated ex-restorer" with jealousy issues to the list. I think Kong may also announce that I'm also a pederast and kleptomaniac in due time.

Hmm, guess doubting Kong's claims makes you quite the headcase around these parts.

Yeah, it's kinda like the movie "shallow hal". Hal believes his gal is beautiful, but his friend doesn't see it so he tries to make Hal "snap out of it" and "bring him to reality"... because of his own issues.

"That's cool with me, swank. Post to your heart's content. You say what you want to say and I'll say what I want to say. You have your opinion and I have mine. We don't have to like what each other think and say, but we have to put up with it. Hey, that's the American way!"

Uh, maybe I'm having selective retroactive memory here, but didn't I say that like a hundred times the first time around?

Hmm, guess doubting Kong's claims makes you quite the headcase around these parts.

No, that would be "obsessing over them". :D

Still laughing, man!

Uh, maybe I'm having selective retroactive memory here, but didn't I say that like a hundred times the first time around?

Selective memory's a symptom of your narcissism complex.

Kong, your wrong, why the hell can't you just accept it, and yes Swank your taking it very very far, but christ i can understand coz Kong just doesn't get it.

Whoa, uh, okay. I know so much about FR from researching it on the internet after I first heard you claim that it makes your penis bigger, satisfies women more, ect. It sounded fishy, turns out it is, and so the debating started.

Oh, so you got your info on the net, too? How conveeeeenient!

How would the amount of "mucuscal tissue" (which I heard for the first time the other day when you mentioned it) affect anybody's efforts to elongate shaft skin over the head? I don't really follow here. Does this mean some men can't do FR?

There are some types of circumcision that make restoration extremely difficult, if not impossible. You, for instance, could grow the skin to cover the glans, but without the mucosal tissue, you would not get the "wet" head and the dekeratinization without using some kind of artificial lubricant. You didn't know that? Oh, I forgot. You don't believe in "inner mucosal tissue"!

Talk about weird and desperate . . . for once I don't have much to say except that was pretty wild, might wanna take a little breather because your rage is obvious.

Nope, not mad. Just like you, I have the right to say whatever I think!

One thing though, and I've said it about a million times, but that goes for everything I have to post lately, I don't much care what you think of me personally. Doesn't have any bearing on if I think what you have to say is true or not.

Same here!

I could be the biggest egomaniacal scoundral to ever walk the earth, but that doesn't mean that my criticisms and observations aren't accurate.

Doesn't mean they're accurate, either!

Also, I don't consider myself a sexual expert. What qualifies you Kong? That you're married and read about stuff on the internet? And if your reply is "Well I never said I was," then why should your opinion be the least bit more valid than mine? Oh yeah, appearently I have a big ego and look down on everybody, I'm a complete moron, I'm horribly insecure, and now we can add that I'm a "frustrated ex-restorer" with jealousy issues to the list. I think Kong may also announce that I'm also a pederast and kleptomaniac in due time.

Before I get mad, I need to look up "pederast". Did Tsung Lo Han say that?

Hmm, guess doubting Kong's claims makes you quite the headcase around these parts.

No, I don't think AC or shithead or sikdogg are headcases. Just you.

Shithead said:

Kong, your wrong, why the hell can't you just accept it, and yes Swank your taking it very very far, but christ i can understand coz Kong just doesn't get it.

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Okay, I don't get it. I get accused of being wrong about so much stuff I guess I don't know what YOU'RE saying I'm wrong about this time. The aggression issue? The trapped penis issue? The gliding issue? FR in general? Please number and post what you feel I am wrong about. Will that somehow make you feel better? I'm not being dense or an ass, but I am now at a loss, because I really thought I was addressing the issues you brought up. Is there something you are beating around the bush about and not saying outright?

kong1971 said:

Is there something you are beating around the bush about and not saying outright?

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is that some kind of pathetic attempt at gettin me worked up. i've had enough of this.

if you want my opinion, you've fallen victim to a placebo, and it'd be a hell of an argument if i tried to convince you of that.

All right. "All the benefits of foreskin restoration is a placebo for the weak-minded." Feel better?

I'm not trying to work you up, shithead. You just want me to say something I don't believe. I'm a convert. I believe in it all.

Go in peace, brother. I'm not sure what I've said or done to make you upset, but I apologize for it.

lol i just looked up pederast

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All right. "All the benefits of foreskin restoration is a placebo for the weak-minded." Feel better?

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im starting to understand Swank when he says you have bad comprehension skills, i said "you have fallen victim to a placebo", but you managed to interpret that as "all FR is a placebo".which is completely not what i said.

you HAVE to see your mistake there, please for the love of god, just once, see that you've made a mistake.

I think I addressed it here:

"Maybe I am not clear enough when I write on what the possible advanced benefits are according to more completely restored men and what I am currently experiencing. If I do that, it is not on purpose."

But you want this:

"I'm so sorry! I'm wrong! So so wrong! I am so overzealous about FR that I exagerate my claims to include more than I have experienced at my current, insignificant stage of restoration! Oh, please, please, forgive me. I'm a liar and a cheat and a scam artist!"

All I can say is this:

"You other guys who are restoring know what I'm talking about. You guys that won't give it a try will never, ever understand...so stop trying. Until you have that first big cum, you won't get it. You'll think we're crazy. Who knows? Maybe we are!"

HAHAH you just can't do it can you. all i wanted was to see you say, "i made a mistake and misinterpreted what you said"

im gonna write it again so you can see. i said "you have fallen victim to a placebo", but you managed to interpret that as "all FR is a placebo"


YOU MADE A MISTAKE, YOU WERE WRONG, can you just once admit it.

Yes, that's how I took it. :D

What the hell am I falling victim to as a placebo, if not FR?

For god's sake, tell me what the placebo is. It's driving me crazy!!!!

forget it, im wasting my time.

Okay, then... whatever.

If anyone cares to read this, can they please explain what the hell he was talking about?

I'm wrong about something, apparently, and it has something to do with a placebo, but not foreskin restoration.

"sigh"

On the 'mucuscal tissue' thing. Can you show me some links verifying this? I'm not sure what you mean.

I was under the impression that the glans was resensitized just from being covered and protected. Also, I'm not sure what you mean when you say that I have very little of this tissue. If I stretch the skin it measures at over an inche's worth. Would my small amount of tissue mean that my penis wouldn't function well with a foreskin, since smegma is needed to facilitate movement of the foreskin over the enlarged head? I've seen an awful lot of penises that look lik mine, so I wouldn't say my type is uncommon.

What is the normal amount of mucuscal tissue? Everything I've read about the content of smegma says that it's dead skin cells and sweat from the skin. What if I'm sweatier, or if my skin up there is more productive? Can you show some evidence that smegma production is linked to amount of this 'mucuscal tissue?' Does a person with a bigger mouth always produce more saliva? Surely I could produce some lube naturally, or how else would my penis have functioned if I did have a foreskin? In that case I'm damn lucky to circumcised.

Show me some anatomical evidence that's more clear than what you've stated if you don't mind. Some links would be cool too. And don't say "I don't have time to explain this to you" or "look it up yourself," (or "I'm not going to pay to fed-ex you the documents I have that say this") because I already tried looking it up just now and didn't find anything, and you've claimed to be knowledgable on the matter so lets have some substance.

Also, if I am a "failed former restorer" why don't I have any foreskin? You said yourself I could easily stretch the skin into a foreskin, but I wouldn't see the benefits of dekerotinization and whatever else, because of this lack of 'mucuscal tissue.' Also, why would you need the lube fore a restored foreskin anyways? My understanding is that a restored foreskin is a good deal looser and baggier than the real deal and retracts pretty easily.

Anyway, the point is wouldn't I have to already be restored to some extent? If I was a pissed off "former restorer" then I'd have grown a foreskin and been upset that I appearently wasn't churning out enough lube and it wasn't working properly. Anybody can have a look at my pictures and see I'm plain old circumcised.

Once again, the anatomical argument behind what you say is very questionable to me when you actually consider the implications. But hey, show me some stuff on this to see for myself.