In fact, if you're really zealous about this topic (sorry, I get a bit giddy for mathematics, even if it is statistics, which I abhor... in relation to the rest of the field), if you knew something of computer programming (which I myself do not) you could probably create a really simple program in C or some comparative language wherein you could imput two variables, the number of sexual partners of some girl and the size of the penis in question, and it would kick out the probability of such a girl having in fact encounted a penis size of the specified type during the course of her sexual experiences. Now that is something educational one could play with all day!
 
jqsderrida said:
In fact, if you're really zealous about this topic (sorry, I get a bit giddy for mathematics, even if it is statistics, which I abhor... in relation to the rest of the field), if you knew something of computer programming (which I myself do not) you could probably create a really simple program in C or some comparative language wherein you could imput two variables, the number of sexual partners of some girl and the size of the penis in question, and it would kick out the probability of such a girl having in fact encounted a penis size of the specified type during the course of her sexual experiences. Now that is something educational one could play with all day!
Or you could just read the probability off a chart and solve for the probability of it directly. If P is the probability of being size X or greater, and n is the number of (randomly chosen) partners a girl has had, then the probability of a girl with n partners seeing one one of size X is (1- (1-P)^n). Given a mean and SD you could solve for P directly in terms of X.
 
Alright fellas - some code wonk needs to get on this - or somebody just bite the bullet and chart it out as was suggested.

I politely recuse myself from any responsibility in this matter as I've proved my inteptitude on this forum by not even being able to properly convert metric measurements.
 
spinner2 said:
Or you could just read the probability off a chart and solve for the probability of it directly. If P is the probability of being size X or greater, and n is the number of (randomly chosen) partners a girl has had, then the probability of a girl with n partners seeing one one of size X is (1- (1-P)^n). Given a mean and SD you could solve for P directly in terms of X.
I know, thus my previous posts. However, this suggestion was mainly a joke, as it were.
 
Plus, the simple formula (1-(1-p)^n) where p is an obtained z-value is valid only on normal, Gaussian distributions, and, as we have been discussing, the distribution of penis size is skewed, not perfectly Gaussian. To adjust for this, a statistical program such as SPSS or even a general mathematics program such as Mathematica would have to be utilized to determine, as I have said previously, EXACTLY, what probability P would be that a girl as encountered a penis size of X inches during the course of her active sexual life given that she has experienced n partners.
 
I do have a copy of Mathematica on my home laptop. Perhaps I can play around with it (using tutorials etc) and try to create a program which will allow an exact determination of the probability that a girl as slept with a man with a certain, specified penis size, upon the entry of the two previously named variables. However, I think that you would probably also have to have Mathematica to run the program.
 
Wow, .. page 2 .... :)

There are so many other variables to consider that this assumption holds little weight. What if the guy is fat, stupid, poor, can't dance, doesn't have the time, is gay, etc?

Well if you throw enough confounding ad hoceries for the disagreeable point to climb, any stance becomes winnable... :)

But for this example, what's to keep everything you just said from being just as applicable to a 4 inch guy? Can only 8 inch guys be fat, stupid, and poor?

With that normed for both guys, -- the guy with the 8 inch is still going to have a radically better set of experiences, success, approval, compliments, and a subsequent exuding of higher confidence.

One of the things that goes along with the rod and the confidence, for just one example, is referral sex. (Where an ex had inadvertently talked you up so much that their 'friends' are waiting in the wings when you break up.)

Women have a whole host of reasons they give, in a clinical (non-sexual) setting for the things they prefer that are more important in a relationship than penis size. But those very same sample groups also state at the 90% level that they are more stimulated by being in the physical presence of, or fantasizing about the pleasure of, a bigger penis and attach the idea to a man's relative masculinity.

Other studies find that people will tend to fudge their answers in surveys, even if anonymous, towards a mean of what they should say or how they shouldn't be. This makes more sense from the disparity between penis size being 'low on the list' while simultaneously 90% of the respondents fantasizing about them and saying they're the basis of higher relative masculinity.

And on the subject of fudging towards non-judgementalism, several of those penis size studies were done in a very weak rigor ... such as having the subjects (with no oversight whatsoever) state what their erect length is by placing a mark on a postcard and mailing the postcard in to the surveyors.

I still think a 4 inch dick is rare though. You don't see very many..

Find some japanese �naked people movies�. Without meaning to be in any way culturally generalizing or insulting, what we have -here- (at MOS) is primarily a set of people from the largest penis groups, who make them even bigger as a hobby, and are probably exposed to quite a bit of Western �naked people movies�. Yeah, -we- don't see a lot of 4 inchers. But now I'm arguing 'against' my view :) , ... that I think a girl is more likely to run into an 8.

I believe that I've read that a very high number of partners for a man is around 30 -

In the past, people would tend to have an average of 10 to 12 across their lifetime. Some none, some 300, etc. From that group though you have different types of personality and confidence from their string of historical successes or failures. Someone put it once: 'boys get lucky, men get laid'. (Meaning -- if someone wanders around life waiting for a girl to - literally - fall into their laps, there's only so many sexual experiences that will tend to provide. If someone is used to 'getting lucky' all the time and their internal game has developed to exist in that reality, they can easily have a partner per week until it gets old or boring or virologically scary.

(No, you don't have to have an 8 to do that ... but as a variable it wouldn't tend to be in any way a negative.)

BTW, now in the age of the Rainbow Parties, etc, people can be having ten, or far more, partners before they even get a drivers license.

the more men a woman has slept with, the more she'll have been exposed to the true average and understand it, which most medically disinterested studies report to be under 6".

That's not the question though, - whether or not woman X understands the statistical averages and appreciates a 6 as being normal.

The question was whether or not a girl is more likely to see an 8 or a 4.

Think of it like this - a true 8" NBP dick is probably somewhere in the realm of 1/100 guys - maybe slightly more, maybe slightly less, but remember, this is a size that not even a lot of �naked people movies� stars have.

I agree with this, -- statistically, and that a lot of �naked people movies� stars aren't actually that size.

I had a side-rant on the Kinsey study - redacted, this post has to end sometime. It's probably reliable though to think that a study that was manually stimulating pre-teen children to orgasm didn't rely on word-of-honor and postcards for their adult length data.

Kinsey puts 4" at .3% and 8" at 1% (and for further insight ... 8.25" again at .3% same as the 4")

From that alone, it would seem that an 8 inch is over 3 times more encounterable than a 4 inch ... apart from any behavioral confidence/experience or idealization/preferential factors from men and women on the matter.

But Kinsey's sample group (of western bisexual prisoners (?)) ... included what percentage of subjects from groups tending smaller than the mean? Any? It would seem that figure, people tending more towards 4 inches, could have been radically underrepresented.

That could put us back to behavioral factors as the tipping nod.

:) Tired of typing. Good thread!

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keep pushing
 
Women encounter more then 6-8 sexual parters in a lifetime. well i dont know what study this is based on .. or in the old days where u had to get married first to get fucked. but in 2007 if you surveyed girls aged 18-25 on their number of sexual parters thus far.. i bet you the number would be over 8 easily
 
MissionPossible said:
Women encounter more then 6-8 sexual parters in a lifetime. well i dont know what study this is based on .. or in the old days where u had to get married first to get fucked. but in 2007 if you surveyed girls aged 18-25 on their number of sexual parters thus far.. i bet you the number would be over 8 easily

8 would be in a month!!and in some cases a week or more!Women are very discrete and secretive!
 
these days at clubs n shit most girls will just go for a fuck afterwards..no joke.. the chance of a guy with a 4 incher being confident to take her back into the bedroom as an 8 inch guy is alot lower %-wise
 
Guys, that's an average of all women, taken from the US I believe. You're projecting your ideas or experiences with some women across the entire range of women out there.

Of course some are very promiscuous, just as some meet the love of their life in high school and only ever sleep with that one guy. As it stands, I believe the same study that suggested that 30 partners for a man was a very high number and a statisitical minority, about the same number for women was considered to be very active sexually and unusual.

Averages can obscure the true nature of some things, but in this case I don't think it's too far off. Not all women are having sex with just any old guy every time they go out on the town. I went to a college in the US that's pretty famed for its heavy drinking and party culture, and even amongst our hard partying coeds there were very few girls that behaved like that.

And, as I said before, even if a woman has slept with tons of men, this actually increases the likelihood that she knows what average is and isn't expecting some monsterous size. Her chances of encountering larger penises is higher (although still not terribly high), but she will have seen many in the center average range of around 6" or so, which is where the majoirty of men are clustered.

So far as the confidence thing with the 8" dicks, you guys still seem stuck on the idea. I personally don't think this really matters as much as you seem to think. It's not as if the 8" guy can just go flop his member on the bar and women will then scratch and claw at each other over who's going home with him. A guy with 8" could be a pretty ugly dude, have no game, have some personality disorder, not bathe regularly, who knows, but the assumption that every guy with a big dick is some kind of sex machine is always a little baffling to me. Considering the rarity of that size, there's a good chance there's only one or not even any guys that are really big in a club or bar on any given night - so who are all these women going home with besides the average and modestly sized men?

Plus, since we're using anecdotal information here, as I've said in other threads, I know plenty of very modestly endowed guys that slay with ease and some that once were very successful with women that have ended up married to some remarkably sexy and cool women. Likewise, there's a guy on at my club that plays on my league basketball squad that is very well hung, good looking, and rolling in cash as a single man with a high-tech industry job and nothing to spend all the money on. He just happens to be a weird and insecure sort of guy and he constantly complains about his inability to connect with women. You guys also assume that any hung guy is naturally out banging as many women as possible at these clubs and bars - hardly the case.

No offense, but you guys are getting yourselves down with what is basically a pretty mysogonistic belief that all women are size-hungry whores that fuck constantly and with little discretion. That''s not how most of the world operates, but if that's really the case where you're from, I should probably visit.
 
Here's an interesting little study about the reportage differences amongst men and women regarding total number of sexual partners:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2372/is_3_36/ai_61487449

It basically states what we already know - men inflate the numbers, women either don't or downplay their history, but the researchers argue this may be accidental to a degree. Anyway there's some discussion of averages at different percentiles and such in there.

This blog entry sums things up a little more succinctly for those that don't want to read a lot:

http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/men_tend_to_overestimate_the_number_of_sexual_partners_theyve_had

"When asked the question, 'how many partners have you had in your lifetime?', two-thirds of women said they knew precisely and reported an average of 6.2. Men on the other hand were twice as likely to say they had no idea and on average guessed 11.9."

If you believe that either group is bullshitting around the margins a bit, you get a number fairly close to eight partners. Basically though, the different studies I saw just through googling suggest that not very many women have a partner total that reaches into the double digits. Perhaps you guys have just been exposed to a lot of really slutty women, but I think that sort of behavior is far from the norm.
 
This article makes the interesting conclusion that prostitution factors heavily into the male/female reportage discrepancy:

http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/210392097v1

Interestingly, it also suggests that men with very high numbers of partners are likely to frequent prostitutes.

And, some of the same data, presented in an easy to digest article format:

http://www.umich.edu/news/index.html?Releases/2006/Feb06/r021306d

Basically, they can't people to be straight with these things, though the bulk of bullshit seems to come from men inflating their partner numbers - no surprise there.
 
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stridge said:
Guys, that's an average of all women, taken from the US I believe. You're projecting your ideas or experiences with some women across the entire range of women out there.

Of course some are very promiscuous, just as some meet the love of their life in high school and only ever sleep with that one guy. As it stands, I believe the same study that suggested that 30 partners for a man was a very high number and a statisitical minority, about the same number for women was considered to be very active sexually and unusual.

Averages can obscure the true nature of some things, but in this case I don't think it's too far off. Not all women are having sex with just any old guy every time they go out on the town. I went to a college in the US that's pretty famed for its heavy drinking and party culture, and even amongst our hard partying coeds there were very few girls that behaved like that.

And, as I said before, even if a woman has slept with tons of men, this actually increases the likelihood that she knows what average is and isn't expecting some monsterous size. Her chances of encountering larger penises is higher (although still not terribly high), but she will have seen many in the center average range of around 6" or so, which is where the majoirty of men are clustered.

So far as the confidence thing with the 8" dicks, you guys still seem stuck on the idea. I personally don't think this really matters as much as you seem to think. It's not as if the 8" guy can just go flop his member on the bar and women will then scratch and claw at each other over who's going home with him. A guy with 8" could be a pretty ugly dude, have no game, have some personality disorder, not bathe regularly, who knows, but the assumption that every guy with a big dick is some kind of sex machine is always a little baffling to me. Considering the rarity of that size, there's a good chance there's only one or not even any guys that are really big in a club or bar on any given night - so who are all these women going home with besides the average and modestly sized men?

Plus, since we're using anecdotal information here, as I've said in other threads, I know plenty of very modestly endowed guys that slay with ease and some that once were very successful with women that have ended up married to some remarkably sexy and cool women. Likewise, there's a guy on at my club that plays on my league basketball squad that is very well hung, good looking, and rolling in cash as a single man with a high-tech industry job and nothing to spend all the money on. He just happens to be a weird and insecure sort of guy and he constantly complains about his inability to connect with women. You guys also assume that any hung guy is naturally out banging as many women as possible at these clubs and bars - hardly the case.

No offense, but you guys are getting yourselves down with what is basically a pretty mysogonistic belief that all women are size-hungry whores that fuck constantly and with little discretion. That''s not how most of the world operates, but if that's really the case where you're from, I should probably visit.

I can't thank you enough for posting this. I think the reason non-big guys think all the big guys are sleeping with everyone is due to their own insecurities and might be due to some cuckold fantasies in men.

Also, even at UT, #1 party school in the nation, it is quite rare you come across a girl that sleeps with a lot of guys. Most girls are still quite prudish, even at the most rowdy of frat parties. It would surprise you how many virgins there are in college, much more than I thought there would be. Also, never once have I ever seen a size queen. I'm sure they're out there but very rare.
 
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Well, with all of the effort the contributors to this thread have undoubtedly put forth, this should become a definitive thread on the topic.
 
10inchadvantage said:
If the real average is 5.5, then I'd say 4 inches is just as common as 7. So I'd think if you flipped the coin 100 times, you'd get more 4 inchers than 8 inchers.

Yes, but I think the standard deviation leans on the side of the 8" cock, from the data I've seen. There are a whole lot of men that are around 5.5" but it is more common to be substantially bigger than substantially smaller.
 
penguinsfan said:
Yes, but I think the standard deviation leans on the side of the 8" cock, from the data I've seen. There are a whole lot of men that are around 5.5" but it is more common to be substantially bigger than substantially smaller.

Interesting. I wonder why this is? Evolutionary?
 
An old friend of mine has a huge freakish cock (no, I never asked how big). He's one of the most insecure people I've ever met-- and a clingy pushover in relationships.
 
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