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lightlyfried;686804 said:
Fiber - to put it bluntly.

That and I got food poisoning from rice, ever since then I don't like it all that much.
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There are far better fiber sources than oats.

Vegetables, fruits. Different nuts and seeds.
Psyllium is a great source :)
 
Munto;686839 said:
There are far better fiber sources than oats.

Vegetables, fruits. Different nuts and seeds.
Psyllium is a great source :)
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I don't concern my self with sources.
 
Im with lightlyfried on this one.

You can eat the "cleanest" best sources but if you eat 6000kcal worth you are not gonna loose weight (unless your gonna burn 6k+)
At the same time you can eat donuts and cookies but if you gonna be in calories deficit, you are gonna loose weight.
 
BigBeardBig;686941 said:
Im with lightlyfried on this one.

You can eat the "cleanest" best sources but if you eat 6000kcal worth you are not gonna loose weight (unless your gonna burn 6k+)
At the same time you can eat donuts and cookies but if you gonna be in calories deficit, you are gonna loose weight.
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Exactly, that's why tracking macros is great, cause it forces you to "eat clean" in order to fit within the numbers you've set your self. Most people who "flexible diet" eat 80-90% "clean" foods
 
BigBeardBig;686941 said:
Im with lightlyfried on this one.

You can eat the "cleanest" best sources but if you eat 6000kcal worth you are not gonna loose weight (unless your gonna burn 6k+)
At the same time you can eat donuts and cookies but if you gonna be in calories deficit, you are gonna loose weight.
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when you're losing weight but at the same time you're losing muscle mass, water and increase body fat. what you pretty much do everytime you diet, you're on a hit/miss bases, that's probably gonna be more miss than it. and that is just how your body works and then you blame the people.
 
Munto;686965 said:
when you're losing weight but at the same time you're losing muscle mass, water and increase body fat. what you pretty much do everytime you diet, you're on a hit/miss bases, that's probably gonna be more miss than it. and that is just how your body works and then you blame the people.
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What? If you're saying thats what you do with macros, that's totally wrong, macros is HIT. Not counting and "oh i'll just eat clean nutritious food" is Hit and miss. Not to be a dick, but when you say things like that it isn't true and you could misguide people by saying it.
 
Munto;686965 said:
when you're losing weight but at the same time you're losing muscle mass, water and increase body fat. what you pretty much do everytime you diet, you're on a hit/miss bases, that's probably gonna be more miss than it. and that is just how your body works and then you blame the people.
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Best way to actually keep muscle mass is to work out. I can shed % bodyfat while keeping muscle mass at only cookie diet with caloric deficit bro and so can you.
Not that I recommend it, but thats all there is to it. Those never ending yo-yo diet people, especially females, dont work out to keep any muscle mass.

Even at caloric deficit my strenght usually goes up because I work out more compound movement with more weight.
 
lightlyfried;686972 said:
What? If you're saying thats what you do with macros, that's totally wrong, macros is HIT. Not counting and "oh i'll just eat clean nutritious food" is Hit and miss. Not to be a dick, but when you say things like that it isn't true and you could misguide people by saying it.
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We have counted calories for 30-40 years and it didn't work.and preaching the same thing for another 40 years won't make it magically works.
And counting macros is a close cousin to that.
We have survived thousand of years without a calculator on the dinner table.

So preaching that is truly misleading and hurting others.
 
Munto;686990 said:
We have counted calories for 30-40 years
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lol man please explain in more detail.


What doesnt work is people eating processed crap, thats all that doesnt work and thats what has been hapenning.
Ive never counted calories, none in my family does, actually noone I know of does. if you eat whole plant-based food you dont have to do anything like that.
Nobodys gonna eat 5 000 kcal a day worth of vegetables bro, but eating 5 000kcal/day is hapening on a daily basis to alot of families.
Heart disease, diabetes, all gonna rise, its unstopable eating the way people normaly do in socalled civilized society.

Btw obsession with Mercola is not a good sign.
 
Munto;686990 said:
We have counted calories for 30-40 years and it didn't work.and preaching the same thing for another 40 years won't make it magically works.
And counting macros is a close cousin to that.
We have survived thousand of years without a calculator on the dinner table.

So preaching that is truly misleading and hurting others.
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It does work, it's just people don't stick to it. It's like saying 20-10 doesn't equal ten. It does, same as your TDEE (Total daily energy expenditure) - 500Kcal you WILL loose weight. I promise you it WILL work. You can preach your snake oils sales men words all you like. The problem is the psychology behind keeping people consistently doing something. The reason we are becoming obese, is because untill modern times food wasn't in abundance.

Close cousin? Macros make up calories, don't be ignorant Munto. You're putting your fingers in your ears to everything I say.
 
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BigBeardBig;686993 said:
lol man please explain in more detail.


What doesnt work is people eating processed crap, thats all that doesnt work and thats what has been hapenning.
Ive never counted calories, none in my family does, actually noone I know of does. if you eat whole plant-based food you dont have to do anything like that.
Nobodys gonna eat 5 000 kcal a day worth of vegetables bro, but eating 5 000kcal/day is hapening on a daily basis to alot of families.
Heart disease, diabetes, all gonna rise, its unstopable eating the way people normaly do in socalled civilized society.

Btw obsession with Mercola is not a good sign.
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Exactly, if you are struggling to loose weight you should eat 90% vegetables because you will NOT be hungry. Eating 5000 calories in vegetables is next to impossible. But if you eat whole foods or not, those foods still have calories in them and to be sure you can still count those so you know what to do when you're not loosing.
 
BigBeardBig;686993 said:
lol man please explain in more detail.


What doesnt work is people eating processed crap, thats all that doesnt work and thats what has been hapenning.
Ive never counted calories, none in my family does, actually noone I know of does. if you eat whole plant-based food you dont have to do anything like that.
Nobodys gonna eat 5 000 kcal a day worth of vegetables bro, but eating 5 000kcal/day is hapening on a daily basis to alot of families.
Heart disease, diabetes, all gonna rise, its unstopable eating the way people normaly do in socalled civilized society.

Btw obsession with Mercola is not a good sign.
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See, you yourself say it's more about the type of calories than the amount of calories. Not all calories are created equal.
 
Munto;687022 said:
See, you yourself say it's more about the type of calories than the amount of calories. Not all calories are created equal.
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You cannot generalize like this man jumping into conclusions. Im saying if you gonna eat plant-based diet its pretty freaking hard to be fat (impossible) and you never have to count no calories.
Please explain in detail how population of the world have been counting calories for 30-40 years ? Cuz Ive not seen that.
Only thing Ive seen and heard of for past 30-40 years is people eating shit.
 
Munto;687022 said:
See, you yourself say it's more about the type of calories than the amount of calories. Not all calories are created equal.
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No I don't say its about the type of calories. 9 calories is 9 calories and it's going to give you the same amount of energy either way. I know you think Dr MErcul or whatever is probably a genius. But when I finish my undergrad, I will be one of the people that conducts the research that Dr Mercul bases his "methods" on. Albeit cherry picked studies to fit his bias and make people like you think that his method is the only way. You've become a zealot to his methods. If over the next 3 years came out that suggest my outlook is wrong, then i'd change it, that's how ALL science works.
 
BigBeardBig;687028 said:
You cannot generalize like this man jumping into conclusions. Im saying if you gonna eat plant-based diet its pretty freaking hard to be fat (impossible) and you never have to count no calories.
Please explain in detail how population of the world have been counting calories for 30-40 years ? Cuz Ive not seen that.
Only thing Ive seen and heard of for past 30-40 years is people eating shit.
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possible to a degree but harder. You can get fat on "healthy" foods just as much as donuts, you just get more volume so it's harder. For example, 10 bananas a day, 2 Avacado, 3 potatoes you're already around 2400 calories which is the same amount of calories an average mans maintenance calories is. Compare to a big mac meal which is 1/4 of the volume and is around 1000 calories. That is why people are fat nowadays.
 
lightlyfried;687038 said:
possible to a degree but harder. You can get fat on "healthy" foods just as much as donuts, you just get more volume so it's harder. For example, 10 bananas a day, 2 Avacado, 3 potatoes you're already around 2400 calories which is the same amount of calories an average mans maintenance calories is. Compare to a big mac meal which is 1/4 of the volume and is around 1000 calories. That is why people are fat nowadays.
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Sounds like one of my meals, hehe
 
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