Will coffee help me reduce my appetite for food?

if you stay away from starchy carbs. milk. sugar salt and flour. you cannot put on weight. he actually attempt doing it in the 4 hour body and while his intake was ridiculously high. he still managed to lose weight.

so don't worry about that :)

if you really want carbs take them 3 hours before a workout. as it will help you work harder.

and never eat them at the evening
 
but mate remember this!

if i asked you to not eat anything. only drink water.

and do interval training 3 times a day.

in 1 week you will lose like 15 pounds.

and in 1 months you will be dead.

this whole concept.

what i want you to do. is to change your ways from now on!

just a tiny step in the right direction is what we are looking for.

what comes easy goes easy!

so please. remember this! this is not the ego that needs to be fed.

this is your body! we need to teach you how to control it.

and this new method i am testing is fucking kick ass!

seriously! you need to try this out as it gives you an inside of what happens in your body!

every morning first thing when you wake up take a piss and measure yourself.

and then right down the diet from the day before (just special things like went for burgers with andy etc)

i have done this for 1 week now and it kicks ass.

you get to realize some things from this.

like:

your weight jumps up and down alot (it just does)

so like stocks you need to find a curve (it can go up and down but it needs to go slowly down in total)

and you get to see the results of your bad habbits and your good habbits like me for example:

sunday i went out to the cinema. ate candy and drank a coke. the day after my weight was a lot higher than the other days.
lets just say 0.5 kg.

now with this knowledge. when i stand up in the morning and look at the weight and i have gained. i know the cinema candy is not a good idea today,

i get control 100%

another great thing!

when you have dropped weight for some time. it will start to stagnate.

and at the same time you will start to have sexy dreams about carbs. (i always dream about pasta and bread for some reason i must be italian)

this is your subconscious mind telling you that you have lost alot of fat and now the metabolism is being tuned down.

what can we use that for?

fucking cheat day man!

fill it up. what happens is the metabolism goes up again so really. you will lose weight from eating junk. how awesome is that?
 
Aimingforthetop;648502 said:
but mate remember this!

if i asked you to not eat anything. only drink water.

and do interval training 3 times a day.

in 1 week you will lose like 15 pounds.

and in 1 months you will be dead.

this whole concept.

what i want you to do. is to change your ways from now on!

just a tiny step in the right direction is what we are looking for.

what comes easy goes easy!

so please. remember this! this is not the ego that needs to be fed.

this is your body! we need to teach you how to control it.

and this new method i am testing is fucking kick ass!

seriously! you need to try this out as it gives you an inside of what happens in your body!

every morning first thing when you wake up take a piss and measure yourself.

and then right down the diet from the day before (just special things like went for burgers with andy etc)

i have done this for 1 week now and it kicks ass.

you get to realize some things from this.

like:

your weight jumps up and down alot (it just does)

so like stocks you need to find a curve (it can go up and down but it needs to go slowly down in total)

and you get to see the results of your bad habbits and your good habbits like me for example:

sunday i went out to the cinema. ate candy and drank a coke. the day after my weight was a lot higher than the other days.
lets just say 0.5 kg.

now with this knowledge. when i stand up in the morning and look at the weight and i have gained. i know the cinema candy is not a good idea today,

i get control 100%

another great thing!

when you have dropped weight for some time. it will start to stagnate.

and at the same time you will start to have sexy dreams about carbs. (i always dream about pasta and bread for some reason i must be italian)

this is your subconscious mind telling you that you have lost alot of fat and now the metabolism is being tuned down.

what can we use that for?

fucking cheat day man!

fill it up. what happens is the metabolism goes up again so really. you will lose weight from eating junk. how awesome is that?
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i think thinking too much about your weight is also gonna prolong the loss of it.....its better you focus on the things so your brain is wroking more also like your muscles...brain burns calories too...lol
eat right , sleep well , workout , and youll be thin in 3 months ......
i think the above 3 are a good lifetyle ...lol
and once a week you get to go all out on bad food....lol
 
master_mind;648531 said:
To loose weight it's very simple starve and work.
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Partial true,i know its not a good idea to starve,but im used to eat so much food,my body is alwasy hungry...sometimes im not even hungry its just a sensation..especially at night,i feel so hungry but i just ignore the sensation and go to sleep.Not a lot of people can afford to eat protein and veggies 6 times a day...so ignoring the hunger its a good idea sometimes..better to not eat anything than to eat junk food.
 
I don't agree on any of those concepts! Work hard and starve? Seen that tryed that worked fast! You know what also worked fast? The weight coming back. When you do that you basicly rape your metabolism telling your body to regain the weight as fast as possible.

The whole problem with the DIET solution. Its a money machine lose weight regain it so you can try the all new amazing diet! Only 459$ right now!

And yes be happy live a good life exercise etc. Is good stuff.

But just like any other aspect your body tryes to learn a conscious action must have been taken place before the subconscious mind can do the action for you.

We need to do reprogramming of the mind to get other results.

What goes in will come out. We need to change the mindset. I am sorry there simply is no other way.

Its also the reason why i keep coaching in all other aspects than the actual eating/working out.

Eventually dld is gonna do this on his own. (If i know him right. This will also be part of his coaching)

We need to plant those seeds. So that they will grow up and become hard earned results.

Besides! Working on your body is fun! Its like a huge ass mmorpg
 
What im trying to say its : I eat 3-4 meals a day,pretty much fish,chicken breast,vegies,potatoes etc.im used to eat a lot of junk food,and my body is keep asking me for more..and at this time,its better to ignore the hunger..if you eat everytime you are hungry,it may be too much food..if i listen to my stomach i should eat 4000-5000 calories a day.Right now im eating under 2000 calories a day but my stomach is keep growling.So ignore the feeling works the best for me.
 
STARVE and work hard. In 1993 was 94 kgs , waist 40 inches. Was in class 12 th. summer holidays April may and June 10 days.

Daily routine morning 10 Kms jogging, going to school by bicycle 14 Kms . In the evening exercise cycle 10 Kms. This routine for 70 days.

Food morning 1 glass of milk and chapati stuffed with sprouted Bengal gram. Perfect protein and energy. In school at 11:30 sandwich without butter or Bengal gram or bread with curd in indian style. Back home by 2:30. Lunch lots lots of green salad, boiled vegetable and one chapati and lots of curd. Evening milk and bread. Night cold milk and just toasted bread with salad or one chapati.

Added lots lots lots of spinach to my diet because I was becoming pale. SOO much spinach that my poo was green in colour. My skin started to glow more.
 
master_mind;648586 said:
STARVE and work hard. In 1993 was 94 kgs , waist 40 inches. Was in class 12 th. summer holidays April may and June 10 days.

Daily routine morning 10 Kms jogging, going to school by bicycle 14 Kms . In the evening exercise cycle 10 Kms. This routine for 70 days.

Food morning 1 glass of milk and chapati stuffed with sprouted Bengal gram. Perfect protein and energy. In school at 11:30 sandwich without butter or Bengal gram or bread with curd in indian style. Back home by 2:30. Lunch lots lots of green salad, boiled vegetable and one chapati and lots of curd. Evening milk and bread. Night cold milk and just toasted bread with salad or one chapati.

Added lots lots lots of spinach to my diet because I was becoming pale. SOO much spinach that my poo was green in colour. My skin started to glow more.
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In 70 days my waist was 28 inches weight 69 kgs. I never ate any sugar , no candy, no sweets, no rice , no potatoe, never went to any restaurant. Let me find my pictures I will post them as a proof.
 
Aimingforthetop;648540 said:
I don't agree on any of those concepts! Work hard and starve? Seen that tryed that worked fast! You know what also worked fast? The weight coming back. When you do that you basicly rape your metabolism telling your body to regain the weight as fast as possible.
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I am a living example of this.
 
master_mind;648588 said:
In 70 days my waist was 28 inches weight 69 kgs. I never ate any sugar , no candy, no sweets, no rice , no potatoe, never went to any restaurant. Let me find my pictures I will post them as a proof.
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I lost 140 pounds in under 4 months. If you look at the Miami beach interview of me I was 280 pounds 4 months later, in the Channel 4 special I was 140 pounds. This was all due to starving myself and exerting tons of activity. Once I burned out all the weight returned.
 
Aimingforthetop;648502 said:
but mate remember this!

if i asked you to not eat anything. only drink water.

and do interval training 3 times a day.

in 1 week you will lose like 15 pounds.

and in 1 months you will be dead.

this whole concept.

what i want you to do. is to change your ways from now on!

just a tiny step in the right direction is what we are looking for.

what comes easy goes easy!

so please. remember this! this is not the ego that needs to be fed.

this is your body! we need to teach you how to control it.

and this new method i am testing is fucking kick ass!

seriously! you need to try this out as it gives you an inside of what happens in your body!

every morning first thing when you wake up take a piss and measure yourself.

and then right down the diet from the day before (just special things like went for burgers with andy etc)

i have done this for 1 week now and it kicks ass.

you get to realize some things from this.

like:

your weight jumps up and down alot (it just does)

so like stocks you need to find a curve (it can go up and down but it needs to go slowly down in total)

and you get to see the results of your bad habbits and your good habbits like me for example:

sunday i went out to the cinema. ate candy and drank a coke. the day after my weight was a lot higher than the other days.
lets just say 0.5 kg.

now with this knowledge. when i stand up in the morning and look at the weight and i have gained. i know the cinema candy is not a good idea today,

i get control 100%

another great thing!

when you have dropped weight for some time. it will start to stagnate.

and at the same time you will start to have sexy dreams about carbs. (i always dream about pasta and bread for some reason i must be italian)

this is your subconscious mind telling you that you have lost alot of fat and now the metabolism is being tuned down.

what can we use that for?

fucking cheat day man!

fill it up. what happens is the metabolism goes up again so really. you will lose weight from eating junk. how awesome is that?
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I got you. My biggest issue is night time. I crave the carbs and sugar so fucking much and I end up eating everything in the hhouse. Granted it is all protein and vegetables but I will eat it all! My son went shopping for me, for the week, a few days ago and I ate all of it in one day! My appetite is out of control and I have become lazy in my training. I really need to get my act together. when I weighed myself today I have gained another 5 pounds bringing me from 215 to 220 now. Very depressing. Please encourage me, help me, I want this so bad!
 
master_mind;648586 said:
STARVE and work hard. In 1993 was 94 kgs , waist 40 inches. Was in class 12 th. summer holidays April may and June 10 days.

Daily routine morning 10 Kms jogging, going to school by bicycle 14 Kms . In the evening exercise cycle 10 Kms. This routine for 70 days.

Food morning 1 glass of milk and chapati stuffed with sprouted Bengal gram. Perfect protein and energy. In school at 11:30 sandwich without butter or Bengal gram or bread with curd in indian style. Back home by 2:30. Lunch lots lots of green salad, boiled vegetable and one chapati and lots of curd. Evening milk and bread. Night cold milk and just toasted bread with salad or one chapati.

Added lots lots lots of spinach to my diet because I was becoming pale. SOO much spinach that my poo was green in colour. My skin started to glow more.
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Such kind of diet will be useless if you cannot stick to it for the next 2 years.
 
doublelongdaddy;648602 said:
I got you. My biggest issue is night time. I crave the carbs and sugar so fucking much and I end up eating everything in the hhouse. Granted it is all protein and vegetables but I will eat it all! My son went shopping for me, for the week, a few days ago and I ate all of it in one day! My appetite is out of control and I have become lazy in my training. I really need to get my act together. when I weighed myself today I have gained another 5 pounds bringing me from 215 to 220 now. Very depressing. Please encourage me, help me, I want this so bad!
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DLD. Ur main issue from what I see is u eat at night which is the worst for weight loss......now what u can do is replace basis with good ones at night but they should be yummy. Lol
I have EXACT same habit of eating all the food right before sleeping ....but i realzied that if I fill my stomach with roasted chickpeas ...it is full of fibre to cut fat and makes u full tummy very fast and makes u thirsty. So water intake also increase .... 2 medeiros at once
Eat loads of fruits at night if ur hungry ...eat dry fruits , milk also fills ur stomach and makes u sleepy ....asphagarus in glass of milk is good for penis as well as u can see a video in the YouTube channel I sent you ....

I did insanity asylum workout of Shan T at home ....1 hour everyday. VERRY motivational and u can do it at home itself .....I also got a bit in shape and I are as much as I want but it don't increase my weight but eating a lot only reduced my rate of weight loss. .....so eating rights increase it.
That's the only way of u looks at it .....but remember ur workout should be very insane to lose weight ....1 hour of madness in Shan t workout
Try it
 
doublelongdaddy;648602 said:
I got you. My biggest issue is night time. I crave the carbs and sugar so fucking much and I end up eating everything in the hhouse. Granted it is all protein and vegetables but I will eat it all! My son went shopping for me, for the week, a few days ago and I ate all of it in one day! My appetite is out of control and I have become lazy in my training. I really need to get my act together. when I weighed myself today I have gained another 5 pounds bringing me from 215 to 220 now. Very depressing. Please encourage me, help me, I want this so bad!
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I know you don't want to give up on the marijuana and you and I know that the marijuana is the main reason for the large appetite. I suggest you quit smoking at night, smoke in the morning instead because I'm sure you don't have a large appetite in the morning.
 
weed will make you fat for sure...lol
i recently quit smoking hashish....i actually wanna quit smoking today so i reach my size goal fast
 
DLD i actually think you should turn up the intake of the good stuff over the whole day. those night cravings comes from the body not getting enough through the day. so try and add more good protein and fat to the daily intake. fill yourself up. and if you absolutely need to night eat. do it in avocados and some sort of meat.

ohh 1 more thing that might be helpfull!

grape juice! this is still on trial for me.

but i read that it balances your insuline levels making you crave less for carbs. and it helps with weightloss in general!

now this has to be from fruits not concentrate.

but try and add 1 cup of this to the last meal of the day. might be the trick to get you away from the cravings
 
ohh 1 more thing.

your weight is bouncy and i honestly believe that the muscles do alot of the mind fucking of you right now.

could you do body measurements for some time?

i mean if your waist shrinks and the weight increases. then we are doing good stuff at the moment :)
 
Aimingforthetop;648722 said:
ohh 1 more thing.

your weight is bouncy and i honestly believe that the muscles do alot of the mind fucking of you right now.

could you do body measurements for some time?

i mean if your waist shrinks and the weight increases. then we are doing good stuff at the moment :)
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Excellent thing to do, so simple but I never thought about it. I will pick up a measuring tape today and get solid measurements. I was looking at my body in the mirror yesterday and even thoughI have gained weight (more than when I started) I look really muscular. I am 220 from my last weight about 4 days ago. The goal is 175-180. I love the idea of grape juice. I have been using a mix of orange juice, vegetable juice and water which helped a lot with cravings. i will stop at the grocery tonight and grab some meats, tuna and grape juice plus a bunch of vegetables. Thanks again for keeping me in the game.
 
so my own weightloss stagnated completely and i was wondering what the hell was going on.

got a grip on a fat tweaser tp check my fat%.

i ussually weigh around 80- 82 kg when im very lean (below 10% fat)

but after my new calculations. my 10% treshhold will be around 85 kg. basicly i have gained 5-3kg of lean muscle mass over the winter (been training 6 times a week for some time now. and even when injuried i still did what i could in the gym)

and i could see in the mirror that there was alot more muscle. but the only thing everybody else could see was that my six pack was gone= i must be fat. when people keep telling you that you start to believe it.

so now i only need to cut a very few kilos down. and these last kilos always have to be removed slowly not to lose hard earned muscles.

im gonna be real pretty in a couple of months :)
 
85 kg with 10 % body fat is pretty sick..you got a lot of muscle mass.how tall are you?
 
Aimingforthetop;649100 said:
so my own weightloss stagnated completely and i was wondering what the hell was going on.

got a grip on a fat tweaser tp check my fat%.

i ussually weigh around 80- 82 kg when im very lean (below 10% fat)

but after my new calculations. my 10% treshhold will be around 85 kg. basicly i have gained 5-3kg of lean muscle mass over the winter (been training 6 times a week for some time now. and even when injuried i still did what i could in the gym)

and i could see in the mirror that there was alot more muscle. but the only thing everybody else could see was that my six pack was gone= i must be fat. when people keep telling you that you start to believe it.

so now i only need to cut a very few kilos down. and these last kilos always have to be removed slowly not to lose hard earned muscles.

im gonna be real pretty in a couple of months :)
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Wow, I remember cutting routines, I had to be extra careful during these times to not loose muscle while cutting. So much dedication and work. I look up to you Brother and hope to be in your position soon.
 
huge-girth;644015 said:
I've started dieting after reading enough information on this forum. I want to be taking coffee in the morning after my breakfast and I also intend skipping lunch some times if coffee can reduce my appetite. My question is, does coffee reduce my food craving?
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Let me reply to my own question. Hey, quit smoking marijuana and you would be fine :)
 
huge-girth;760970 said:
Let me reply to my own question. Hey, quit smoking marijuana and you would be fine :)
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If I stopped Cannabis I would be pain, in the hospital year after year!
 
huge-girth;761135 said:
What makes you feel so?
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Because Cannabis takes care of some many mental disabilities I have. Without it I would be suffering greatly from anxiety to suicidal tendencies. It saved my life and I will always respect it as God's Flower of healing. I will never abuse something so beautiful.
 
Professional personal trainer with education within the field of nutrition here. I didnt read the entire thread but I want to chime in anyway.

Black coffee may reduce appetite. It is also really healthy in many ways and something I actually recommend for your health. Some people are worried about the cholesterol but looking at the mass of studies there is really nothing to be worried about. So without going into further detail black coffee is good for you. Just make sure to not drink coffee at least 4 hours prior to sleep.

You also mention skipping lunch. I would advice against that. When you eat breakfast you break the fast that you've been in all night. Once you break the fast, and especially if you break it with a high carbohydrate meal, you will not react well if you go without food for too long. This is normal for people who depend on carbohydrates as their main fuel source. Instead if you do want to skip meals I'd advice you to skip breakfast. This is often referred to as intermittent fasting and has shown to have many health benefits and is also very effective at reducing your total daily calories.

Since I dont know what diet you follow I cant really make more recommendations than that but based on those two things you mentioned I hope you will take this into account :)
 
doublelongdaddy;761322 said:
Because Cannabis takes care of some many mental disabilities I have. Without it I would be suffering greatly from anxiety to suicidal tendencies. It saved my life and I will always respect it as God's Flower of healing. I will never abuse something so beautiful.
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Well, to each their own :)
 
kak03;761331 said:
Professional personal trainer with education within the field of nutrition here. I didnt read the entire thread but I want to chime in anyway.

Black coffee may reduce appetite. It is also really healthy in many ways and something I actually recommend for your health. Some people are worried about the cholesterol but looking at the mass of studies there is really nothing to be worried about. So without going into further detail black coffee is good for you. Just make sure to not drink coffee at least 4 hours prior to sleep.

You also mention skipping lunch. I would advice against that. When you eat breakfast you break the fast that you've been in all night. Once you break the fast, and especially if you break it with a high carbohydrate meal, you will not react well if you go without food for too long. This is normal for people who depend on carbohydrates as their main fuel source. Instead if you do want to skip meals I'd advice you to skip breakfast. This is often referred to as intermittent fasting and has shown to have many health benefits and is also very effective at reducing your total daily calories.

Since I dont know what diet you follow I cant really make more recommendations than that but based on those two things you mentioned I hope you will take this into account :)
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Thanks for that, gives me a lot to think on. I appreciate it. I am now off to get lunch via your directions :)
 
huge-girth;761684 said:
What do you put inside the tea that makes it your favorite?
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I just drink it plain on ice. Super refreshing and no calories. Lately I’ve been drinking this Lipton hibiscus/blueberry tea, it’s really good.
 
I suggest high quality Matcha tea. Whisped to a moderately hot water it is divine! I can feel more boost and buzz from Matcha than strong black coffee. I mainly drink black coffee though, more of an cost issue and easiness I think. And living with more people than myself, coffee is the usual beverage enjoyed.

Other good health oriented teas include Ashitaba Tea and several other green teas. I do enjoy Maté from time to time as well. It's nice to try different flavors. I sway away from the flavored teas mostly though. If I have flavored teas, they're mostly herbal teas.
 
acromegaly;761711 said:
I just drink it plain on ice. Super refreshing and no calories. Lately I’ve been drinking this Lipton hibiscus/blueberry tea, it’s really good.
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Alright I understand
 
How about Green Tea, I have heard lots of good stuff?
 
doublelongdaddy;761783 said:
How about Green Tea, I have heard lots of good stuff?
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Green tea is in general a very healthy beverage boasting benefits such as anti cancer, boost metabolism, help prevent alzheimers, reduced risk of diabetes, and in general the antioxidants will be good for your body in more ways than you can count. It also contains less caffeine than coffee making it a nice beverage for the afternoon. I'd still recommend staying away from green tea 4 hours before sleeping because of the caffeine content even if its not particularly high.

Still the most important part of green tea is that it contains water and most of us are not hydrating properly. Drink more green tea and water in general.
 
Matcha is green tea; very fine powdered version of the leaves. But as kak03 said, hydration is a big part of well-being, so water is the best bet usually. As caffeine does boost metabolism and expel fluids, it's important to keep the intake in balance.

If I drink green tea, it's usually matcha. The taste and the effects are just so much better in comparison to the leafy stuffs. Just a personal taste preference.
 
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Personally I love the leafy stuff. Watching the dried leaves unfold is beautiful and the taste is just right depending on the origin.

Also while we're on the subject of the tea chamomile tea has been shown to help with sleep just like it has been used for for ages. Good sleep is important for pretty much everything and will of course help with PE :) There are also other blends of teas that have good effect on sleep but chamomile is a basic one that is easy to find and has documented effect.
 
Thanks guys, I am going to stop at Starbucks and give it a try.
 
doublelongdaddy;762235 said:
Thanks guys, I am going to stop at Starbucks and give it a try.
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Please, stop by a health food store! :-) Or order on Amazon or for some other webshop.

And yes, chamomille is great as an evening tea to help with sleeping. I have some Pukka Night Time, doesn't have chamomille but surely has helped me to catch sleep easier on few occasions.
 
arkailija;762281 said:
Please, stop by a health food store! :-) Or order on Amazon or for some other webshop.

And yes, chamomille is great as an evening tea to help with sleeping. I have some Pukka Night Time, doesn't have chamomille but surely has helped me to catch sleep easier on few occasions.
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I will ask my Son to get me some. Thanks for the advice.
 
doublelongdaddy;762494 said:
I will ask my Son to get me some. Thanks for the advice.
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Over the past 2 weeks, my fat pad has increased slightly. Now my penis appears shorter to me. I will have to tone down on my eating habit
 
huge-girth;762528 said:
Over the past 2 weeks, my fat pad has increased slightly. Now my penis appears shorter to me. I will have to tone down on my eating habit
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Mine has kind of shifted as I am dieting but it is a slow process.
 
huge-girth;762656 said:
I need to act now otherwise it's going to get bigger
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I found that it can never be an act now, it has to be a habit of act everyday. Just like PE becomes a habit we need to make diet and exercise a habit.
 
doublelongdaddy;762693 said:
I found that it can never be an act now, it has to be a habit of act everyday. Just like PE becomes a habit we need to make diet and exercise a habit.
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It's easier said than done :)
 
I work with people in this same situation every day. In general I've come to the conclusion that diet and exercise needs to be natural, enjoyable and easy to maintain. If you try to stick to a diet through willpower alone it will eventually fail. The easiest way to do this is to set simple rules that you will not just follow but enjoy following. For many of my clients this has been a paleo diet. Basically you eat nothing but meat and vegetables. Nothing refined, no junk, and no grains or legumes. This basically ensures you get all the nutrients you need and it is an easy way to reduce your calories. Plus it tastes good.

Many people think this is crazy and they keep looking for some sort of shortcut. The people who do it on the other hand see results and realize that this life is both easy and enjoyable.
 
kak03;762774 said:
I work with people in this same situation every day. In general I've come to the conclusion that diet and exercise needs to be natural, enjoyable and easy to maintain. If you try to stick to a diet through willpower alone it will eventually fail. The easiest way to do this is to set simple rules that you will not just follow but enjoy following. For many of my clients this has been a paleo diet. Basically you eat nothing but meat and vegetables. Nothing refined, no junk, and no grains or legumes. This basically ensures you get all the nutrients you need and it is an easy way to reduce your calories. Plus it tastes good.

Many people think this is crazy and they keep looking for some sort of shortcut. The people who do it on the other hand see results and realize that this life is both easy and enjoyable.
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You are right.
 
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