Im currently taking 1.5 g of tribulus a day, in the hopes of gaining penile and muscle size.

i was wondering if anyone else is taking a similar supplement, and if so, what results they have come across.

Tribulus claims to boost testosterone production, hence increasing penis and muscle size.

I'm taking it in a supplement called Testosogrow [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] Plus.

I would love any insight on this supplement, or the active ingredient, tribulus.

Thank you.
 
I used tribulus for a short time, then started to develop acne. That's all I can say about it.

Also, [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MoS[/words] is rather dead compared to 2004/2005... so responces are EXTREMELY slow. :/
 
I took Tribulus for about two months... I felt like it may have increased my sex drive some but I didn't think it helped out with building muscle or anything.
 
Tonkat Ali is supposed to be much better. Aint took that. Took Tribulus and I feel it did something. Tribulus is good for your blood anyways and if it doesnt help build muscle than its a good supplement to have.
 
I'm taking a Trib supplement made by Gaspari Nutrition. It's giving me better morning wood but Tongkat worked better for me.

I'll go back to Tongkat once my Trib is gone.

I get my Tongkat Here
 
cool, well thanks guys. i might just have to switch to tongkat ali, or maybe AAKG, as i've heard good things.

possibly DHEA, if i can find any.
 
Chaco;303325 said:
I'm taking a Trib supplement made by Gaspari Nutrition. It's giving me better morning wood but Tongkat worked better for me.

I'll go back to Tongkat once my Trib is gone.

I get my Tongkat Here

How much better is the Tongkat then the Tribu? IN other words what differences do you see in your energy level or anything else?
 
NJGuy2;309161 said:
How much better is the Tongkat then the Tribu? IN other words what differences do you see in your energy level or anything else?

I got a little extra wood from the Trib. The tongkat once I got up to 3 grams per day made me horny as a 15 year old. I had sex thoughts all day. My workouts(not Penis Enlargement) were more aggressive and my loads were bigger.
 
This covers the two principal sex hormones : testosterone and dopamine.


Taking around 10-15g of 1:50 tongkat ali per day. Gives much bigger loads, much hornier, hanging much lower, espacially in the morning (dick and balls), way fuller erections that stay hard for longer periods of times, easier to cum (sadly for some). I love this stuff and I hope to take enough to get permanent penile enlargement, which was clearly proven to work on rats, but yet still to be on humans. It's been also proven to help eliminate fat, since it augments body energy level (more active without doing anything) and it will add lean muscle mass even if you don't do a thing about it, but much slower. These effects all linked to the free-testosterone enhancing effect of the supplement. I buy bulk 1:50 or 1:200 powder at www.tongkatali.org, which I put in 00-sized empty gelatine pills bought over the Internet in 750 capsules bags for 10$. Can't cope with the awful taste.

Been also taking Cabergoline for the last year, now at 1 mg every 2 days (recommended is 0,5 mg twice a week); helps with libido and reduces refractory period since it's a Dopamine agonist, thus lowering Prolactin, the major enemy of sex. Buy it generic, 4 mg pills that you cut in 4 parts, it's much cheaper.

Been taking on and off (since it tends to give nausea) bupropion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bupropion (which can be purchased as Zyban, or wellbutrin antidepressant, and can be bought generic from Sunpharma in India, or at local pharmacy after you get a prescription to stop smoking-you can lie about this- and get Zyban, don't accept Champix). This stuff can really, and I mean, really boost libido combined with Cabergoline (even not combined, read on it on the net). It's a Dopamine Reuptake inhibitor. It means that it blocks the Dopamine reuptake receptors, thus, Dopamine stays longer in your blood, increasing the maximum Dopamine plasma level. It is also a Norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor, which leads to more adrenaline. Which means that it will keep you up at night and give you a falsehood of energy. You will get tired but not notice it. Read precautions on total intake, since 600mg or more a day is not advisable because of seizure threshold being lowered and is dose-dependant.

You will also find that Cocaine, extasy, amphetamine and other drugs like these mess up with Dopamine in similar ways, but bupropion has been declared abuse safe. But still, be careful I guess...

So, with cabergoline, bupropion and Tongkat Ali, I become a sexual bomb waiting to be released. Very easy erections, 75% of women are now attractive, it can even give prostate pulsing (similar to orgasm) without any physical stimulation (bupropion has been documented to give spontaneous orgasms to some people, and cabergoline to make men be kind of multi-orgasmic, like women, but which I never fully attained).

Wait 2 or 3 days without ejaculation, and I assure you the amount of sperm and the orgasm intensity will be greatly enhanced, to a degree you cannot even begin to imagine. Heck, orgasm even lasts up to 12-15 seconds instead of the regular 6-8 seconds. I assure you, it's crazy! rofl


So of all, and I mean all the stuff I tried and bought over the Internet (tribulus terrestris, ginseng, fuze, maca, other sexual boosters, etc), these are the only 3 I would recommend for sexual prowess and libido enhancement. They are of the few also that have real medical claims backing their effect. Much of the stuff sold over the Internet are of too low dosage, exagerated or simply don't work.

Hope this was helpful to at least some of you !

Fantome
 
BTW...


"I love this stuff and I hope to take enough to get permanent penile enlargement, which was clearly proven to work on rats, but yet still to be on humans."

At puberty, the male genitalia reacts to high testosterone (dihydrotestosterone, an even more potent agonist for androgen receptor activation) by "opening" many Androgen receptors in the penis. Making the genitals enlarge under testosterone influence. Those perticular receptors close up (down regulate) and stabilize after puberty, thus stopping genitalia growth, but still maintain reproductive function. They still do many other functions, but this one in particular, is stopped.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgen_receptor

That is why supplements, and drugs and such have so little to no effects on genitalia growth. Genital Androgen receptors are too limited in adults.

This says it all : "Androgen receptor (AR) function is required for male sex development in the fetus, virilization at puberty, and maintenance of reproductive function in the adult." http://mend.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/13/3/440

Direct explication here :
http://endo.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/129/3/1671

There are contracdictary studies on this, saying that other mechanisms other than Androgen receptor down regulation stop penile growth, but they are not optimal :
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/puBathmateed/9258152



Anyhow, this is a very fascinating subject, since it directly explains, at least a major part, of why male genitalia grows at puberty and not later on. And why supplements can't cut it and give you a larger penis. Until a drug is found to multiply Androgen receptors in the penis and/or activate them to react to testosterone, we're basically screwed to have effertless penile enlargement.

The answer resides somewhere in those studies, but they still have to put their finger on it... until then, stretch on... stretch on...


Fantome
 
I think I would get pretty sick on 10-15 grams of Tongkat Ali.

The most I ever tried was 5 and I felt pretty shitty. Even if I didn't get sick I'd probably feel like killing people after a week. When I was consistently taking 3 grams I was more aggressive.
 
I AM more aggressive... but it's quite manageable for me. Below that dose, Tongkat Ali does pretty much nothing except give you better libido and other mild enhancements. I'm going for genital enlargement (if it's even possible), weight lost, lean mass gain, better libido, more energy, etc.

And better still, I don't get sick with this stuff since I got a pretty strong stomach ! :s I'm lucky I guess...

But this is all experimental for me; like I said, nothing has been proven thus far that it will increase penile size over long term use of high doses of tongkat ali, except on mices... which I don't see myself having so much in commun with ! lol But still, it's worth a try in my opinion since I never was able to stretch over long periods of time and achieve good enlargement manually (which is as far as I know, the ONLY true and known method of penile enlargement).

By the way, it's been proven to add lean muscle mass in more than one double-blind study. It was proven to add an average of 2 cm of circumference to bicep after 3 months of high doses of tonkgat ali compared to 0 cm for the control placebo group. This is quite a gain for people who did nothing for it ! These are good studies, but it doesn't say if they noticed any genital enlargement gains... but I hope they did !

We'll see where this leads me.

Fantome
 
Fantom how have you been sleeping? One of Tongkats supposed sided effects is insomnia. Are you experiencing anxiety, rapid heart beat, or aggression? These are other side effects especially in large dosages above 5g a day. I'm very interested to see how you're doing in the future with this high of a dosage, please continue to post with your progress and side effects, good luck.
 
I don't get that much anxiety, rapid heart beat or aggression. I do get some mild insomnia but I generally feel good in fact. I do have some high energy and low energy phases. I cannot be sure what causes these to happen since I do not simply take Tongkat Ali.

I had stoppped for a couple of days the bupropion (zyban) intake. Mild insomnia went away due to this, so tongkat ali was not the major culprit on this issue, though it probably doesn't help. I started to again take bupropion yesterday... got some very strong erections since then, very easy to get them actually sleeping or not. Much easier to orgasm (actually came in 3 minutes with girlfriend, which is amazingly fast for me; I've always been a slow cummer) and is about the same thing when I masturbate.

Earlier today, I got an erection just after peeing, without doing anything. Masturbated and got easy orgasm, and didn't feel any bad feeling from refractory period. Erections are extremely strong now, very hard and full.

I don't think I have grown, but something is definitely going on. Let me explain.

I've been taking cabergoline for the last year or more. Bupropion quite regularly in the last month and a half (with low off periods) and tongkat ali at large doses for the 2 weeks or so.

Very, and quite frequent, strong erections only came with tongkat ali. Not with bupropion and cabergoline. These last two give me much more pleasure though, which explains the "easier to cum" effect and the lack of refractory period bad effects.

I've ordered around 700 grams of bulk 1:200 tongkat ali a couple of days ago. Should arrive soon... still have around 350 grams of 1:50 doses at home... should take me a little more than a month to end this. About 2,5 to 3 grams of 1:200 is equivalent to 10-12 grams of 1:50 ratio. So I should be able to have good and large doses for the next 230 days or so.

I guess that after 280 days total, IF genitals were to expand to massive doses of tongkat ali, I should notice something going on !!! Hope so very much at least.

I feel like I'm babbling here but heck, there is hope rofl

Fantome
 
fantomeinfernal;309872 said:
I've ordered around 700 grams of bulk 1:200 tongkat ali a couple of days ago. Should arrive soon... still have around 350 grams of 1:50 doses at home... should take me a little more than a month to end this. About 2,5 to 3 grams of 1:200 is equivalent to 10-12 grams of 1:50 ratio. So I should be able to have good and large doses for the next 230 days or so.

I guess that after 280 days total, IF genitals were to expand to massive doses of tongkat ali, I should notice something going on !!! Hope so very much at least.

I feel like I'm babbling here but heck, there is hope rofl

Fantome

Do you plan to cycle or are you taking everyday? Do you take in one dose per day or do you break it up?
 
fantomeinfernal;309305 said:
Been also taking Cabergoline for the last year, now at 1 mg every 2 days (recommended is 0,5 mg twice a week); helps with libido and reduces refractory period since it's a Dopamine agonist, thus lowering Prolactin, the major enemy of sex.
Been taking on and off (since it tends to give nausea) bupropion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bupropion (which can be purchased as Zyban, or wellbutrin antidepressant, and can be bought generic from Sunpharma in India, or at local pharmacy after you get a prescription to stop smoking-you can lie about this- and get Zyban, don't accept Champix).

Have you tried coming off the Cabergoline and Bupropion for an extended break? If so, what's that like?
 
I'm not cycling Tongkat ali. They do advise to do it to optimize effects, but they did not in different long-term studies (3-6 months). I want full cumulative effects to take place, even if my body get accustomized to it somewhat (anyway, as far as I know, many people take many kinds of medecine daily for years and it is still effective). I did not have any adverse effect so far, like it does on testosterone supplementation (smaller testicles and penis, male titties, etc.). Tongkat ali is supposed to help the body produce more testosterone, fooling it to do so, and keeping it around your body as free testosterone. I do have one fear though, is that I end up in the end producing more estrogens and eventually end up with gynecomastia (male titties)... but so far, no milk glands enlargement, nor fat in breasts. I read that on tongkat ali it's not supposed to happen, so I hope so.

I usually take 5-6 grams in the morning (between 7:00 and 9:00 AM), and 5-6 grams in the evening (between 6:00 PM and 9:00 PM). I try not to take doses higher than 7 or 8 grams, since it irritates more the stomach, even though I've taking 10 grams in single doses a couple of times.

I've never been off cabergoline since I started it. Anyway, it has a half-life of approximately 65 hours, so it stays in the body around 6 days. It's been seen to stay in the body up to 20 or more days. I'd have to stop it for a complete month to be sure there is no more in my system. Which I've never done and don't think I will be doing in a near future. As for bupropion, like I said, I've stopped taking it for a couple of days at a time once in a while.


I've started Wendy Friesen hypnotic Penis Enlargement sessions to help in getting a larger penis effortlessly rofl. I think it will help since it's been proven the body greatly reacts to one's mind. A simple test to prove this... you all have ate a lemon in your life, and tasted it's very bitter taste. When you did, the mouth produced alot of saliva. Now, just imagine you are chewing a very sour lemon right now, you will immediately notice your mouth watering, producing saliva, even though you're not actually eating a lemon... Another test, imagine something that excites you sexually, close you eyes and imagine. You will get an erection just from imagining this, some people can actually have an orgasm just by imagining sexual stuff... after that, you can tell me that mind does not affect the body, but this is absolutely false. The body greatly reacts to one's mind, so why not to "tune your body" to grow a bigger penis ?

That's it for today folks ! :P

Fantome
 
fantomeinfernal;310229 said:
I've never been off cabergoline since I started it. Anyway, it has a half-life of approximately 65 hours, so it stays in the body around 6 days. It's been seen to stay in the body up to 20 or more days. I'd have to stop it for a complete month to be sure there is no more in my system. Which I've never done and don't think I will be doing in a near future. As for bupropion, like I said, I've stopped taking it for a couple of days at a time once in a while.

Fantome


Did you feel shitty? Did you want the drugs back?
 
I actually feel shitty when I take too much of any of them... never felt particularly shitty about stopping any of them, which is nice. But I've never been addicted to anything in my life (cigarettes, alcohol, drugs, sex, food, whatever...), so I cannot say for other people.

Fantome
 
fantomeinfernal;310739 said:
I actually feel shitty when I take too much of any of them... never felt particularly shitty about stopping any of them, which is nice. But I've never been addicted to anything in my life (cigarettes, alcohol, drugs, sex, food, whatever...), so I cannot say for other people.

Fantome

Sounds good. I know you've been taking this stuff consistently for a while but could you see a part-time recreational use to Cabergoline. If I wanted to be crazy horny and have lots of sex like one weekend a month or even every other month could I use this for a few days and get results or do I need to take it for a longer time?
 
As far as I know, you can take 1 weekend 1 dose if you want. I guess it could help, but depends on dose size, and about how much you can ingest without feeling nausea, etc. since you don't take it regularly, I guess a small dose would have good effects.

You can read more about Serge Kreutz review of Dostinex / Cabergoline here : http://www.asiatour.com/dosti.htm (not sure if this guy is real, since there is 5 websites with his full comments, looks weird, but it looks real and honest)

Also, the merchant's point of view : http://www.buy-dostinex.com/buy-dostinex/Buy_Dostinex_Cabergoline_Cabaser.asp

Basically, it has very few bad effects, but nonetheless, it can have consequenses on some heart diseases...

You can buy some on many sites. One of my favorite is www.elitenetpharmacy.com - Prices are very good. They always were quick to send the orders, which was never lost or missing a part, good wrapping (very hard to open by customs since it's got 3 layers, taped, very tight, and are not identified as is). Anyway, it's one of my favs, but choose whichever you want.

Don't forget, bupropion is more powerful than cabergoline since it's a reuptake inhibitor instead of dopamine agonist. But it tends to give nausea more easily and my guess is that you have to take it a few times to "accumulate" dopamine in your body.

I recommend that you read about these medications; they do have posologies to follow, what you better not take it with (herbs, medicine...), if effects sound legitimate for you, etc.

But I assure you (confirmed in my case at least), Tongkat Ali, Bupropion and Cabergoline have, combined, a very strong libido enhancing effect. As well as other benificial effects mentioned in my previous posts. Those are not "miracle" drugs, but they do have noticeable benefits rofl

Fantome
 
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