After seeing Magnetic Resonance Imaging images of a couple having sex, I decided to draw up a similar diagram, as I could not find one on Google that accurately showed the difference between anterior and posterior fornix (known in layman's terms as the "deep spot", and also inaccurately called the "cul de sac") during penetration.

I wanted the members of my site to have an understanding of the mechanics of the whole thing, which was the original reason I made this graphic, and thought I would post a copy here for the benefit of the other members who might be confused as to what is going on when they hit those areas.

Now I'm no doctor, but I tried to follow the angles of the MRI images from the study, so this diagram might not be completely accurate, but it gets the general idea across.

Hope some of you find it useful.

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dickerschwanz;476062 said:
thanks thats very helpfull.
So penetration of the posterior fornix should be aimed to?
Anterior fornix is more prone for pain?


Well from what past girlfriends have told me, the anterior fornix isn't more painful, just less sensitive and doesn't give intense orgasms like the posterior fornix does. In my personal experience, the posterior fornix is VERY pleasurable to push into. It feels different to the rest of the vagina, more stretchy and spongy, unlike the anterior fornix which feels the same as the rest of the vagina. Other guys might have different experiences with different women,
 
addingINCHES;476064 said:
Interesting. How much total length can a woman take when you go for the deep spot?

Well I have only been with 11 women, so its not a large enough sample group to get an exact average out of, but I either bottom out, or almost bottomed out most of them all of them.
For the ones I didn't manage to bottom out , during sex I tested a dildo on them, and none of them took more than 8 inches (the dildos were realistic ones, so no hard pvc or plastic to skew the comparison).

This is just in my experience. However I have met a few true size queens in my time, and these women were able to handle from 9-10.5 inches. And yes I made sure it wasn't skewed perception.
They mentioned the names of the dildos they had fully taken, and I checked the sizes. Don't let that discourage you though, many women can handle very big girth, but the percentage that can take over 8 inches is a small minority of women.
Thats why my ultimate goal is 8 x 6.5. Anything bigger, in my opinion, will give you trouble with the vast majority of women.
 
makemebig;476121 said:
Querious as to what, in your opinion, is the minimum (apprx.) needed to reach the fornix in the average woman?

I think its possible to hit the fornix doggystyle easier then missionary. That could explain why some girls I had really got off when screwing them this way.
So maybe 7bpel is enough to reach it..
 
Interesting stuff. I have seen a documentary several years back on sex which showed a brief clip of a Danish couple having sex in the MRI and it was fascinating. The scientists said the male penis actually bends while inside the women, even when rock hard from looking at the MRI scans the penis was bending, yet the male didnt know or was never aware of this! VERY interesting, which would/could explain why and how those two different areas inside the females are stimulated.
 
Gravik;476541 said:
So in other words, a bigger cock is by far better than average or small.

The AF and PF illustrated in his diagrams are at different depths in each women but will average out. I dont have the number off the top of my head but I cant see it being anything above 9 inches at all. I know women vary in depth from 3 inches going to much deeper.

It might be important to have more length when having sex with certain women with deeper spots but certainly not looking at anything over 9 inches unless she is exceptionally deep. Girth seems to be much more important to stretch out the opening of the vagina and fill up the first 2-3 inches of pussy where all the nerve endings are the most sensitive.
 
REDZULU2003;478058 said:
The AF and PF illustrated in his diagrams are at different depths in each women but will average out. I dont have the number off the top of my head but I cant see it being anything above 9 inches at all. I know women vary in depth from 3 inches going to much deeper.

It might be important to have more length when having sex with certain women with deeper spots but certainly not looking at anything over 9 inches unless she is exceptionally deep. Girth seems to be much more important to stretch out the opening of the vagina and fill up the first 2-3 inches of pussy where all the nerve endings are the most sensitive.

SO in other words, a long, thick cock is better than an average or small cock.
 
Gravik;478455 said:
SO in other words, a long, thick cock is better than an average or small cock.

That is why we are here right? :) I can attest that proper position and larger size will enable the female to gush or squirt during penetration.
 
You cant say this because people are around who are satisfied with average or small penis size but its known a thicker penis gives the fuller feeling and stretches out the vagina while also placing pressure onto the clitoris as its rooted in around at the top so with more girth the hidden root attaching to the clit also gets moved and this increases pleasure. Isn't to say one is better then the other, as this leads to men thinking they are better then another man or women favoring X over Y which is pure bullshit.

Length does have its advantages aswell because it can reach the cul de sac at the back which some women like to have stimulated, also the arousal levels of seeing a long penis filling up the pussy could create more satisfaction.

I dont see the need for a very long (over 9.7 inches) and very thick (7 inch or above) penis as most pussy will at best take 1/2 of that. I feel now in my journey that you cant have both to the extremes as they cancel one another out. A 10 x 7 inch penis is useless for example unless you fuck horses but 10 x 6 would be doable with the girth manageable in many pussy and that length hanging out good for your own pleasure, ego and arousal in some women?

If a guy came to me and asked I need a larger penis ... currently I'm average or small and I just want to gain quickly and so what should I go for where I can grab more pleasure from myself and the women 9/10 times ... I would say add more girth every time over getting it longer. This isnt to say length is no use, so don't misinterpret me as this example is based on someone just wanting more size for extra pleasure right away. Girth is the answer ... with more length and not much if any growth in girth you wont see much difference and neither will the women as its just length ... sometimes its more painful for the women and if you grow larger it hangs out in the cold like with Kingsnake on these forums whom does have 9.5 inches but he often has 2-3 inches in the cold and can only get most of it inside a pussy when semi erect i.e not hard erection which as we know isnt really acceptable when your aiming for a harder more manlier penis.

The extra girth, even small amount she will feel it .. the entrance to the vagina is very sensitive as explained earlier in this post. So if I was to choose one I would suggest adding more girth but for overall growth regarding guys like us who do this often and with more of an art form it needs to be kept in mind that extremes in both will not work in synergy and actually look ridiculous rather then arousing. Good example is Shane-D or Shorty Mac who have good length but they aint monsters in length with Shane-D being 8.5 at the very very most but girth wise we know they are massive ... look at Lexington Steele who is believed by many to be 9-9.5 inches length but his girth is only around 6 inches on the best days .. he isn't very girthy at all but his length is what he has more of. You don't see these guys with monstrous sizes in both girth and length, usually the larger length men are thinner in girth even though they are often over average they aint huge with the thicker men being not as large in length.

So Lexington Steele would be better suited for deep penetration versus Shorty Mac or Shane-D. The longer man has the advantage he can hit those hard to reach places that some women love but the thicker guy cannot as he is just too girthy to get right inside the women and hit the back unless she becomes used to it or isnt deep herself which is a blessing. The thicker guy has the advantage of stretching out the pussy and giving that amazing feeling inside the vagina that its all nice and full which the longer thinner penis does not do.

All in all they both have merits and one has to choose which path they want or have little of both as you cant have extremes of either and use both to its full advantage. Even DLD will tell you he cannot use all his size, yet if it was thinner I bet he could use more or if it was less its size in length easier to manage.
 
Once I hit 7 & 1/4 BPenis EnlargementL I was able to hit my wife's culdesac doggy style. It's not only pleasurable to her but to me as well as it's like putting my glans in a tiny spot in and out, like clicking into place.
 
REDZULU2003;478494 said:
You cant say this because people are around who are satisfied with average or small penis size but its known a thicker penis gives the fuller feeling and stretches out the vagina while also placing pressure onto the clitoris as its rooted in around at the top so with more girth the hidden root attaching to the clit also gets moved and this increases pleasure. Isn't to say one is better then the other, as this leads to men thinking they are better then another man or women favoring X over Y which is pure bullshit.

Length does have its advantages aswell because it can reach the cul de sac at the back which some women like to have stimulated, also the arousal levels of seeing a long penis filling up the pussy could create more satisfaction.

I dont see the need for a very long (over 9.7 inches) and very thick (7 inch or above) penis as most pussy will at best take 1/2 of that. I feel now in my journey that you cant have both to the extremes as they cancel one another out. A 10 x 7 inch penis is useless for example unless you fuck horses but 10 x 6 would be doable with the girth manageable in many pussy and that length hanging out good for your own pleasure, ego and arousal in some women?

If a guy came to me and asked I need a larger penis ... currently I'm average or small and I just want to gain quickly and so what should I go for where I can grab more pleasure from myself and the women 9/10 times ... I would say add more girth every time over getting it longer. This isnt to say length is no use, so don't misinterpret me as this example is based on someone just wanting more size for extra pleasure right away. Girth is the answer ... with more length and not much if any growth in girth you wont see much difference and neither will the women as its just length ... sometimes its more painful for the women and if you grow larger it hangs out in the cold like with Kingsnake on these forums whom does have 9.5 inches but he often has 2-3 inches in the cold and can only get most of it inside a pussy when semi erect i.e not hard erection which as we know isnt really acceptable when your aiming for a harder more manlier penis.

The extra girth, even small amount she will feel it .. the entrance to the vagina is very sensitive as explained earlier in this post. So if I was to choose one I would suggest adding more girth but for overall growth regarding guys like us who do this often and with more of an art form it needs to be kept in mind that extremes in both will not work in synergy and actually look ridiculous rather then arousing. Good example is Shane-D or Shorty Mac who have good length but they aint monsters in length with Shane-D being 8.5 at the very very most but girth wise we know they are massive ... look at Lexington Steele who is believed by many to be 9-9.5 inches length but his girth is only around 6 inches on the best days .. he isn't very girthy at all but his length is what he has more of. You don't see these guys with monstrous sizes in both girth and length, usually the larger length men are thinner in girth even though they are often over average they aint huge with the thicker men being not as large in length.

So Lexington Steele would be better suited for deep penetration versus Shorty Mac or Shane-D. The longer man has the advantage he can hit those hard to reach places that some women love but the thicker guy cannot as he is just too girthy to get right inside the women and hit the back unless she becomes used to it or isnt deep herself which is a blessing. The thicker guy has the advantage of stretching out the pussy and giving that amazing feeling inside the vagina that its all nice and full which the longer thinner penis does not do.

All in all they both have merits and one has to choose which path they want or have little of both as you cant have extremes of either and use both to its full advantage. Even DLD will tell you he cannot use all his size, yet if it was thinner I bet he could use more or if it was less its size in length easier to manage.

Fantastic post.

Despite my goal, my personal preference is definitely girth as this is what will illicit the greatest sexual response in my opinion.

With that said, in the process of gaining girth i suspect that most increase length anyway.
 
After seeing Magnetic Resonance Imaging images of a couple having sex, I decided to draw up a similar diagram, as I could not find one on Google that accurately showed the difference between anterior and posterior fornix (known in layman's terms as the "deep spot", and also inaccurately called the "cul de sac") during penetration.

I wanted the members of my site to have an understanding of the mechanics of the whole thing, which was the original reason I made this graphic, and thought I would post a copy here for the benefit of the other members who might be confused as to what is going on when they hit those areas.

Now I'm no doctor, but I tried to follow the angles of the MRI images from the study, so this diagram might not be completely accurate, but it gets the general idea across.

Hope some of you find it useful.

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Thanks for the reminder Red. I wanted to wash this and I completely forgot about it, thank you
 
After seeing Magnetic Resonance Imaging images of a couple having sex, I decided to draw up a similar diagram, as I could not find one on Google that accurately showed the difference between anterior and posterior fornix (known in layman's terms as the "deep spot", and also inaccurately called the "cul de sac") during penetration.

I wanted the members of my site to have an understanding of the mechanics of the whole thing, which was the original reason I made this graphic, and thought I would post a copy here for the benefit of the other members who might be confused as to what is going on when they hit those areas.

Now I'm no doctor, but I tried to follow the angles of the MRI images from the study, so this diagram might not be completely accurate, but it gets the general idea across.

Hope some of you find it useful.

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Actually based on the picture, the cervix is located at around the area where buttocks begins (the upper portion). So logically speaking, do you think that maybe the depth of a woman´s vagina can be estimated by the size/length (vertical) of her butt cheecks?
 
Actually based on the picture, the cervix is located at around the area where buttocks begins (the upper portion). So logically speaking, do you think that maybe the depth of a woman´s vagina can be estimated by the size/length (vertical) of her butt cheecks?

i’m having a problem seeing this. I don’t think that this would be a good way to measure considering the pelvic bone, the torso and the gluteus maximus size and shape. Much of that is flat so it would be difficult to make that work
 
Dr. Pek Van Andel is a brilliant neird I must say, no linear thinking man, would have come up with this type of research.

From video description:
Dr. Pek Van Andel, who won an Ig Nobel Prize for making the first MRI images of a couple's sex organs while those organs were in use, also made a video of the phenomenon. Here, more or less, is the world premiere of that video.

 
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Here is the research paper.
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(Located on my OneDrive storage)

The file is also attached as a .pdf file in this post.
The filename is: Magnetic_resonance_imaging_of_male_and_female_geni.pdf

Important finding (stated at page 6):
During female sexual arousal without intercourse the uterus rises and the anterior vaginal wall lengthens.


Explonation:

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Source: Sexual Response Cycle – Your Complete Guide - Health and Wellness Blog


Edit at Jan 20, 2024:
Added an attachment (.pdf - file) directly in this post.
That is: You don't need to navigate to, OneDrive to download/view the file.
 

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Well I have only been with 11 women, so its not a large enough sample group to get an exact average out of, but I either bottom out, or almost bottomed out most of them all of them.
For the ones I didn't manage to bottom out , during sex I tested a dildo on them, and none of them took more than 8 inches (the dildos were realistic ones, so no hard pvc or plastic to skew the comparison).

This is just in my experience. However I have met a few true size queens in my time, and these women were able to handle from 9-10.5 inches. And yes I made sure it wasn't skewed perception.
They mentioned the names of the dildos they had fully taken, and I checked the sizes. Don't let that discourage you though, many women can handle very big girth, but the percentage that can take over 8 inches is a small minority of women.
Thats why my ultimate goal is 8 x 6.5. Anything bigger, in my opinion, will give you trouble with the vast majority of women.

9 x 7 or nothing for me. Even when I get to 7 inches girth, I will still use the 2.75 Mityvac pump sometimes when I meet any lady that enjoyed my 7 inches girth.
 
Here is the research paper.
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(Located on my OneDrive storage)

Important finding (stated at page 6):



Explonation:


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Source: Sexual Response Cycle – Your Complete Guide - Health and Wellness Blog
I found a picture that explains all of this very clear, and how you are supposed to get to the: cul-de-sac.

This picure are explaining it clear, with the Uterine Sexual Response Cycle and then a penis inserted.

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Here is another photo of it all.
There are 2 diffrent cul-de-sac;
- Posterior
- Anterior

If I look at this photo:
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It's clear that you want to get into the; Posterior: cul-de-sac/posterior fornix, when you have a long penis in order to reach a sensitive and stimulating area. And the goal is to extract liquid (Female Ejaculation).

If you hit their cervix it is very painful but in certain postions u can go around the cervix and hit the cul de sac and this is what makes a woman squirt

I have figured it all out with theory, and information. Now I just need make my penis even longer, in order to hit this spot.
According to @DLD it can happen with a 8.5 inch penis (BPEL).

That was my goal, too, to be able to reach the cul de sak and make my girl squirt. I was able at 8.5 inches

But this I have been doing before:
You can also hit a spot that's more accessible. You can even get to this spot with your fingers. This spot are called, G-spot. If you want to figure out the technic to use, a man called Squirtinator will help you with that.

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With this information you should be able to make any woman ejaculate and have wonderful orgasms, even if you have a normal length penis. The key is to have the woman to let go fully. Sensual Massage, is a good way to start, then you just increase the intensity as you progress.

Also read the books:

• The 4-Hour Body by TIMOTHY FERRISS.
(His source for the chapter about this was, Nina Hartley).

• the ART of SENSUAL MASSAGE by Gordon Inkeles.
(You get a DVD as well with this book).

Oh man. Now the "secret" is out.
Kind regards! Hope this helps.
 
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Just found this after my post on depth earlier. Using a phone so i don’t know how to link but this explains a lot more obviously you were in this thread but a good refresher
Yes! I rejuvenated this thread. All the pictures was gone.

But now we have the findings of the research paper that was done, and the techniques for deep penetration. You should try to get to the posterior fornix.
 
Yes! I rejuvenated this thread. All the pictures was gone.

But now we have the findings of the research paper that was done, and the techniques for deep penetration. You should try to get to the posterior fornix.

Can these pictures Be redone by someone else?
 
Can these pictures Be redone by someone else?
I already did this some time ago.

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If you scroll up you will find these picures in posts above (these picures are only links/URL's to these pictures).
 
Brothers, you do know that the G-spot and A-spot do change over time, inversion of location, and sensitivity reduction, right?

When the females are young, most G-spots remain the same, large glans corona stimulates the G-spot well, but over time, sensitivity drops during sexual maturity or organ hypertrophy (due to too much or too little use), including weight gain causes. The funny thing is, the G-spot gets relocated through adaptation. My wife and her friends can vouch for it.

Same with A-spot. It can cause by trauma or giving birth. Cervix gets inverted, relocated, or even shrinks/enlarged permanently. G-spot got a whole lot more complicated on top of A-spot location and simultaneous stimulation. This is where I am now. This is my journey to adapt to those changes.

Chasing that 8x6 at a minimum. I can't even visualize DLD now. Python at 14x10? 😋
 
The g spot is where we're looking to get to the most. Because that is what gives a woman a orgasm
 
Brothers, you do know that the G-spot and A-spot do change over time, inversion of location, and sensitivity reduction, right?

When the females are young, most G-spots remain the same, large glans corona stimulates the G-spot well, but over time, sensitivity drops during sexual maturity or organ hypertrophy (due to too much or too little use), including weight gain causes. The funny thing is, the G-spot gets relocated through adaptation. My wife and her friends can vouch for it.

Same with A-spot. It can cause by trauma or giving birth. Cervix gets inverted, relocated, or even shrinks/enlarged permanently. G-spot got a whole lot more complicated on top of A-spot location and simultaneous stimulation. This is where I am now. This is my journey to adapt to those changes.

Chasing that 8x6 at a minimum. I can't even visualize DLD now. Python at 14x10? 😋

I have learned that the G-Spot is actually a G-area and not an actual spot.
 
I have learned that the G-Spot is actually a G-area and not an actual spot.

Correct. G-spot is a massive area, literally the entire area below the bladder. If you look at it meticulously, it's actually the nerve bundle area of hidden clitoris. That's an 8in x 8in area. Huge area for a golden G-spot to be located in the area. Good luck..
 
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I'd like to add this to this thread. I am now seeing that wifey likes it when I'm reaching the cul de sac but giving a variation of strokes.

 
I'd like to add this to this thread. I am now seeing that wifey likes it when I'm reaching the cul de sac but giving a variation of strokes.

How much length do you have to reach cul de sac. I hit the cervix but only hear it’s painful. Think I need more length to go behond
 
My tipping point was 6.75 BPEL but the girth was the main factor that changes everything. Beyond a 4.75 girth with that length you should be snugging up to the cervix with no pain but getting into that A spot - P/O spot
 
Some females have deeper cervix near the bottoming cul de sac. Most have the cervix about 2 inches before the end. Those who have the cervix at the end suffers pain. Those that don't enjoys the brushing of the penile glans and shaft and not getting poked at by the glans constantly. It's like brushing your flat side of the finger on your arm vs poking our arm.
 
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