AlreadyPackin' said:
Steroids are a crutch, just like bench shirts. I don't care what anybody says, or what kind of PCT you use, you are going to lose your gains once you come off the juice. I personally know at least 5 guys who shrunk as fast as Mario after getting hit by Bowser. Does it always happen that fast? No. You may hold on to them for a minute, but you won't for long.
Unless you are pro bodybuilder, in the WWE, or the NFL. 'roids are pretty much a waste of your time. You aren't going to get back any of the money you shelled out for them, and you aren't going to keep what you got from them. What cracks me up is all the 'Roidboys, 50 or 60 lbs heavier than me, using the same or less weight than I am, and I don't even take a protein supplement right now. I just keep a well-balanced diet, with a little extra protein.
It is pretty silly to try and get ppl to believe that you can become a shredded-up 245 lb. behemoth without drugs. A personal choice it may be, like music, but listening to your music versus someone else's doesn't give you a bigass advantage over them. As for BB'ing, yeah, a few of them look distinctive but many starting to run together, just like the fitness models. "Skinny chic with implants #1, # 2 or #3?"
As for side effeects, well that depends. If you can afford the best stuff, you won't have as many to deal with, and counteracting them won't be a problem. Unless you can't stick yourself and decide to pickle your liver with orals. The physical stuff won't be too bad, but I have heard of some pros who now have so much scar tissue they can barely walk(no names mentioned there). But the ex-users I know say that the worst part is the psychological effect of being a sliver of what they were on the drugs.

Explain how they are a crutch?,if you have never used steroids how can you say all the gains are lost,i'm much heavier and leaner off cycle than i ever was after 10 years of being natural.

If someone is using aas for bb then strength isn't really important to them so you may well be able to out lift them but you compare your lifts to a steroid using powerlifter and it will be a different matter.

aas can actually workout cheaper to buy than alot of over the counter supps that produce little to no gains.
 
swolejah said:
Steroids aren't worth it. I have plenty of info to back up if someone forces me to explain.

Once you get off of steroids, you shrink. No matter what anyone tells you.

Yeah If you do a deca or dbol only cycle MUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA rofl

Can you plz explain why these horrible nasty things are bad???:s
 
swolejah said:
Steroids aren't worth it. I have plenty of info to back up if someone forces me to explain.

Once you get off of steroids, you shrink. No matter what anyone tells you.
No one is forcing you to backup your statement... we're asking you to. I'm always interested in reading any/all studies regarding the pro's and con's of AAS use.

Yes it's true that one will always lose a good amount of size once they go off AAS because alot of gains come from water and glycogen, but the loss can be minimized by carefull planning. Granted that most of the size that pro's carry will go away once they come off AAS because their gains are beyond what the body can sustain on its own. Without the additional protein synthesis from AAS, they just can't maintain their size. For most us mere mortals, the gains made thru AAS use can be sustained naturally with a very strict diet and exercize plan.
 
prince Albert said:
Explain how they are a crutch?,if you have never used steroids how can you say all the gains are lost,i'm much heavier and leaner off cycle than i ever was after 10 years of being natural.

If someone is using aas for bb then strength isn't really important to them so you may well be able to out lift them but you compare your lifts to a steroid using powerlifter and it will be a different matter.

aas can actually workout cheaper to buy than alot of over the counter supps that produce little to no gains.

It would also be different if I were a powerlifter. Strength is not my main goal. Regardless, a big muscular dude getting outlifted by a much smaller, more muscular dude doesn't look right, and ppl are like "Huh?" You said you are leaner and heavier off-cycle than you ever were without, so have you quit using permanently, or do you mean just between cycles? Honest question, not a jab.
I should clarify my position a little better, though. I believe you can responsibly and reasonably use steroids. But I don't feel as if you're really earning what you get as opposed to not using them. In that sense they are a crutch. Also, having been in the scene for some time, I'm sure you meet those clowns who rely totally on the gear, and don't think they have to work that hard. Or those who just outright use them because they don't feel adequate. They're not magic, of course, but they provide more of an edge than most people comprehend. Around here, the cost of an average 5 or 600 mg a week cycle, with all the proper accoutrement costs a lot more than some whey and creatine. But you are definitely right, steroids have gotten way cheaper. I've seen Super-Drol for $28 a bottle.
 
sikdogg said:
No one is forcing you to backup your statement... we're asking you to. I'm always interested in reading any/all studies regarding the pro's and con's of AAS use.

Yes it's true that one will always lose a good amount of size once they go off AAS because alot of gains come from water and glycogen, but the loss can be minimized by carefull planning. Granted that most of the size that pro's carry will go away once they come off AAS because their gains are beyond what the body can sustain on its own. Without the additional protein synthesis from AAS, they just can't maintain their size. For most us mere mortals, the gains made thru AAS use can be sustained naturally with a very strict diet and exercize plan.

Good post. As I said before, I should have explained myself better. I've been looking up studies about this, but none are very clear on how much you keep, just that you can keep some. Most seem to focus mainly on getting your test back to normal, which is more important anyway. I have noticed that the more someone has worked out and the better shape they are in before they get into the gear, the more gains they keep after getting off it. Maybe just a coincidence. Also it seems how much of your size you keep is inversely proportional to how much gear you used. And like you said, careful planning and strict regimen make a difference, but it all still amounts to taking a shitload of rugs.
As prince Albert correctly assumed, I have never partaken, so all my data is first-hand from others who have and do. People accuse me of it, and I have jokingly said I should do about an 8 or 10 week cycle to shut everyone up. One thing I have always found absurd is how alcohol and tobacco are legal, and they are extremely harmful, but are totally legal, regardless of how much death and despair they are tied into. 'Roids make you bigger and stronger, but are illegal. If I was ever to use ANY drug, it be them. At least they have a big upside.
 
AlreadyPackin' said:
It would also be different if I were a powerlifter. Strength is not my main goal. Regardless, a big muscular dude getting outlifted by a much smaller, more muscular dude doesn't look right, and ppl are like "Huh?" You said you are leaner and heavier off-cycle than you ever were without, so have you quit using permanently, or do you mean just between cycles? Honest question, not a jab.
I should clarify my position a little better, though. I believe you can responsibly and reasonably use steroids. But I don't feel as if you're really earning what you get as opposed to not using them. In that sense they are a crutch. Also, having been in the scene for some time, I'm sure you meet those clowns who rely totally on the gear, and don't think they have to work that hard. Or those who just outright use them because they don't feel adequate. They're not magic, of course, but they provide more of an edge than most people comprehend. Around here, the cost of an average 5 or 600 mg a week cycle, with all the proper accoutrement costs a lot more than some whey and creatine. But you are definitely right, steroids have gotten way cheaper. I've seen Super-Drol for $28 a bottle.

Out of curiosity how much are you lifting?

No i 'm still running cycles and will do up to the point that i carn't maintain gains after pct,i take long periods off inbetween cycles,it is possible to maintain gains muscle gains off cycle and it is also possible to loose everything.Something to bare in mind is that water retention/bloat are not gains,its quite common to see lads balloon up 25-30lbs especially first time users and those who choose not to control the bloat,this will give the look of size but once the cycle finishes the water weight will be lost very quickly this will turn them into the shrinking man,also diet post cycle needs to be spot on,you would be suprised how many eat very well on cycle then off cycle let the diet slip.

Alot of nattys have this same view that aas users are cheating,the gains havn't been earned its not real gains whatever,thats there opinion but its strange how alot of these same lads are willing to take any OTC supp to make progress,whats the difference between increasing your test levels artificially and increasing your creatine levels artificially to make progress?

Cost probably is more in the states as your supps are cheaper than here in the uk and aas use is illegal over there but your allowed up to a 3month supply for personel use in the uk.

A 250mg amp of test enanth costs about £3.50,a protien bar costs £2.99 a brand name protien powder £30-35 for a 5lb tub which would last me about 5-6 days a big tub of celltech would set you back £79
 
Okay I'm interested in taking steroids, so anyone got any advice on which ones to take? which ones are the best, when to take, how much, where to buy, dosage, whatelse needs to be taken alongside.
 
REDZULU2003 said:
Okay I'm interested in taking steroids, so anyone got any advice on which ones to take? which ones are the best, when to take, how much, where to buy, dosage, whatelse needs to be taken alongside.

Hey why dont you long on AIM rite now?? I can give yeah the best begginer steroid cycle layout and got a question or 2 for ya
 
Test e and Deca for begginers, I've heard is the best. But remember that Post Cycle Therapy is extremly important, they might help negate some side effects.
 
REDZULU2003 said:
Okay I'm interested in taking steroids, so anyone got any advice on which ones to take? which ones are the best, when to take, how much, where to buy, dosage, whatelse needs to be taken alongside.

Red from your other posts you havn't been training very long,i would get a few years natural training under your belt first,unless your training and diet are spot on then you are wasting your time.

If you want to get decent advice join one of the large bb forums and look in the steroid forums,muscletalk is a very good uk board.
 
im2manly said:
Test e and Deca for begginers, I've heard is the best. But remember that Post Cycle Therapy is extremly important, they might help negate some side effects.

PCT is not imp ITS A MUST! I dont think deca is a good choice for beginners just some test e and maybe some dbol to give him a push till the test e kicks in
 
prince Albert said:
Red from your other posts you havn't been training very long,i would get a few years natural training under your belt first,unless your training and diet are spot on then you are wasting your time.

If you want to get decent advice join one of the large bb forums and look in the steroid forums,muscletalk is a very good uk board.

Agreed! without natural training and perfect diet. The ligaments wont grow as fast as the muscle and no experience on how body responds to diet and training

muscletalk blows btw....esp their views on clen they disregarded FACT and medical studies just cuz their guru said so :s
 
DWTS00 said:
Agreed! without natural training and perfect diet. The ligaments wont grow as fast as the muscle and no experience on how body responds to diet and training

muscletalk blows btw....esp their views on clen they disregarded FACT and medical studies just cuz their guru said so :s

Do you post on there whats your boardname,don't no what clen thread your on about.

Medical studies don't always reflect reality,its not to many years ago that the medical community refused to accept that steroids could actually build muscle.
 
clen the steroid version of thermos, that is the only "low-grade" steroid i would ever consider taking.
 
im2manly said:
what are their views on clen?

thats its bad and if some1 were to use it they should do the 2 weeks on/off routine :s with no proof as why to...just cause everyone else is :s

man I dont remember my UN I havent been to that site in years.

Medical studies dont always reflect truths like the cannabis studies which were manipulated to make it look bad but after reading close to a 1000 studies you start to pick up on the way its done wether its tricky true , done in vivo or vitro , etc....

the studies I saw about clen look very real and geniune so yeah...but they said that it was BS and their way was right when I asked why they said because we say so or smth lol BS rofl
 
prince Albert said:
Don't no about DWTS00 but i hate the stuff,only tried it once and got terrible sides of it.

I tried 60mcg for 1 day then realized I wont be able to do the cycle I want which is 12 weeks of 120-180mcg ED with benadryl/ketiotefen every 3rd week for the whole week to upgrade the beta receptors from the downregulation cause by clen

clen the steroid version of thermos, that is the only "low-grade" steroid i would ever consider taking

Clen is not a steroid its a selective beta-2 agonist-antaganist
 
prince Albert said:
Don't no about DWTS00 but i hate the stuff,only tried it once and got terrible sides of it.

U should try taurine with it and some potassium or so

what did u get the shaking and headaches?? u shouldnt go up to a certain set number u go up till u can no longer tolerate the sides everyone has their own individual dose tolerance it can be 80 for some1 and 200 for some1 else
 
DWTS00 said:
U should try taurine with it and some potassium or so

what did u get the shaking and headaches?? u shouldnt go up to a certain set number u go up till u can no longer tolerate the sides everyone has their own individual dose tolerance it can be 80 for some1 and 200 for some1 else

No intention of using it again,got the shakes on a very low dose,headaches were unbearable,couldn't train even looking at a bright light was painful.
 
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