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what is everyones opinion on them? should only people who are athletes, body builders, etc use them? are they worth the risk?
 
It is only temporary like all drugs, unless your a professional bodybuilder or trying to go pro on some football team, I wouldn't. I have known around highschool time like a dozen peps doing them and they all look worse than shit now( so to speak ), one of them was even a competitive body builder and spent thousands of dollars monthly doing this, and stopped later on compition and even working out. He has strunk down to where you can barely recognize him. Plus it is not so safe with unknown side affects, unless you can get them legally prescribed which is difficult, don't take the risks off ordering these Hgh's from mexico and these pills ment for racing horses.
Their are lots of good supplements from www.prosource.com which are affordable, safe and reliable. :)
 
Sweets were did he get the thousands of dollars a month to buy gear if he was in high school?

Unknown side effects? people have been using roids for over 50 years now the sides are well documented.
 
The side affects are known, that's correct but the affects are unknown to the individual untill they take them and then first see that there testes shrink, there hair line jumps back and hair is falling out, they are getting bitch tits, acne on their face, chest, and back, etc.
this boy started in highschool and didn't competing till after highschool were he really got into it and started competing and using them excessively. Being illegal, he also did illegal things to get them such as selling them, and other drugs, as to how was able to get all that money for such a hobby,? He probably got it cheaper from his supplier since he was also selling it. He did get very big and was very knowlegable on the topic, nutrition, what legal supplements to take to counter balance some of the effects, estrogen pills, the whole shabang. I is very ineasy to the eye to see those users in the clubs with those little itty bitty shirts and they got to go threw the doors sideways cuz their massive.+ everyknows and will know when you mysterously gain 20-50lbs, like hey. And then you lose it like sigh,
unless you are still in the gym and are vigilant about maintaining your physique untill the effects are out of your system, but for sure they are tempory, we all know that, look at our hero Swarsanager*(sp).
 
For a non-athlete (regular guy), I think a mild cycle of testosterone one or two times a year is safe, cheap and offers many benefits as a bodybuilding, sex and Penis Enlargement 'supplement'.
 
i have been on a few steroids myself:- testex, decanoate, oxy bolone, napasims, provirones, hcg, testivirone. my advice is this:- know what you are doing! many of my friends still do them and moan to me that their balls are shrinking. but they cant come off steroids because then their muscle mass will suffer. its a lose - lose situation. i recommended that my friend do the following cycle though - 2 months of decanoate and testivirone, one month on just hcg. then repeat. - take the next 6 months off. this is a years routine! the hcg is there to prevent your balls giving in! i do not recomend the use of steroids as the results are only temporary (some would disagee...) but if you do - i suggest a cycle as above...
 
EVO said:
i have been on a few steroids myself:- testex, decanoate, oxy bolone, napasims, provirones, hcg, testivirone. my advice is this:- know what you are doing! many of my friends still do them and moan to me that their balls are shrinking. but they cant come off steroids because then their muscle mass will suffer. its a lose - lose situation. i recommended that my friend do the following cycle though - 2 months of decanoate and testivirone, one month on just hcg. then repeat. - take the next 6 months off. this is a years routine! the hcg is there to prevent your balls giving in! i do not recomend the use of steroids as the results are only temporary (some would disagee...) but if you do - i suggest a cycle as above...
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PCT?
 
EVO said:
rofl think thats basically what the hcg does....
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WRONG... HCG helps to kickstarts the testes which will help with recovery but you don't seem to understand what's really going on. When you increase test levels exogenously, estrogen levels will increase also to maintain the test/estro ratio... when you come off steroids, test levels drop off pretty quick because your body is no longer producing it but estro levels are still high. This is when you're most prone to estrogen sides. It is imperative that you take a good anti-estrogen to block it's effects 'til your natty test levels come back. Clomid/Nolva are estrogn blockers that will block the effects of estro and also encourage your HTPA to begin working again. You also don't want to take HCG post cycle because it is also suppressive and will inhibit recovery.

Bro, don't give advice about shit you don't know about... someone will follow it and screw themselves up.
 
prince Albert said:
Lol thats the reason your gains are only temperary mate

PCT is post cycle therapy.

little article that will give you a basic idea

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/clomid-hcg.asp
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That article is good but the HCG part is a little dated... lower doses run throughout the cycle works better.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...f&pmid=15713727

LOW DOSE HUMAN CHORIONIC GONADOTROPIN MAINTAINS INTRATESTICULAR TESTOSTERONE IN NORMAL MEN WITH TESTOSTERONE INDUCED GONADOTROPIN SUPPRESSION.

Coviello AD, Matsumoto AM, Bremner WJ, Herbst KL, Amory JK, Anawalt BD, Sutton PR, Wright WW, Brown TR, Yan X, Zirkin BR, Jarow JP.

Center for Research in Reproduction and Contraception, Geriatric Research Education and Clinical Center, Veteran Affairs Puget Sound Health Care System (AMM), and Department of Medicine, University of Washington School of Medicine (ADC, WJB, JKA, BDA, PLS), Seattle, WA; Department of Medicine, Charles R. Drew University (KLH), Los Angeles, CA; Department of Urology, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine (XY, JPJ), Baltimore, MD; Division of Reproductive Biology, Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health (WWW, TRB, XY, BRZ, JPJ), Baltimore, MD.

In previous studies of testicular biopsy tissue from healthy men, intratesticular testosterone (ITT) has been shown to be much higher than serum testosterone (T), suggesting that high ITT is needed relative to serum T for normal spermatogenesis in men. However, the quantitative relationship between ITT and spermatogenesis is not known. To begin to address this issue experimentally we sought to determine the dose response relationship between human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) and ITT to determine the minimum dose needed to maintain ITT in the normal range. Twenty-nine men with normal reproductive physiology were randomized to receive 200 mg T enanthate (TE) weekly in combination with either saline placebo or hCG 125 IU, 250 IU, or 500 IU every other day for 3 weeks. ITT was assessed in testicular fluid obtained by percutaneous fine needle aspiration at baseline and the end of treatment. Baseline serum T (14.1 nmol/L) was 1.2% of ITT (1174 nmol/L). LH and FSH were profoundly suppressed to 5% and 3% of baseline respectively, and ITT was suppressed by 94% (1234 nmol/L to 72 nmol/L) in the TE/placebo group. ITT increased linearly with increasing hCG dose (P < 0.001). Post-treatment ITT was 25% less than baseline in the 125 IU hCG group, 7% less than baseline in the 250 IU hCG group, and 26% greater than baseline in the 500 IU hCG group. These results demonstrate that relatively low dose hCG maintains ITT within the normal range in healthy men with gonadotropin suppression. Extensions of this study will allow determination of the ITT concentration threshold required to maintain spermatogenesis in man.
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I would be against steroids becasue many people don't use them right. They think they are just like the miracle pe pills. You take them and get huge, which couldn't be farther from the truth. You have to lift incredible hard and still eat right if you want to see permanent gains. I would just stay natural and do it the safe way with permanent gains. First get yourself and good diet and then cycle some creatine if you need an extra boost. Proper nutrition is the key. Your body is a science and understanding it is the secret to great gains.
 
sikdogg said:
You also don't want to take HCG post cycle because it is also suppressive and will inhibit recovery.
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what does it suppress sikdogg? can you post this info, cheers
 
Baseline serum T (14.1 nmol/L) was 1.2% of ITT (1174 nmol/L). LH and FSH were profoundly suppressed to 5% and 3% of baseline respectively, and ITT was suppressed by 94% (1234 nmol/L to 72 nmol/L) in the TE/placebo group. ITT increased linearly with increasing hCG dose (P < 0.001). Post-treatment ITT was 25% less than baseline in the 125 IU hCG group, 7% less than baseline in the 250 IU hCG group, and 26% greater than baseline in the 500 IU hCG group. These results demonstrate that relatively low dose hCG maintains ITT within the normal range in healthy men with gonadotropin suppression.


sorry guys but i dont understand, it says above that low levels of hcg maintains intratesticular testosterone in men with gonadtropin suppression. and the results are comparable, without hcg = 94% suppression. taking 250 IU of hcg = 7% suppression. have i missed something? sorry but i want to get this right incase i ever decide to go back on them....
 
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