Phallosan vs VLC tugger vs others

[wakingdream]

I'd like to get a suction product for length. I did a ton of research and reading on the forums, but the more I read the more undecided I am.

My main goal is to have something to grip the head of my penis, comfortably and preferably for a long time. I currently have a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words] and a [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SizeGenetics[/words], but I'm looking for something a little more comfortable. I can get comfortable in the LD and [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words], but it can take a long time to get it right, or I'm sitting there trying to get a good wrap instead of actually doing PE.
I also enjoy manual stretching but sometimes I don't feel a strong enough pull with just my hands, or my fingers can get sore/tired. So suction sounds like a good idea to try, right?

I'm also interested in restoring my foreskin, so it'd be nice if the product I buy does that as well.

AB Silicone:
I like the look of their site and their products and price, but I've read that they don't ship sometimes, or it takes months, and they have no customer service.

VacADS from autoxtender:
Their site looks like it's from 1996, it's hard to navigate and they have a couple different versions and it's a bit confusing, and I don't see many reviews.

Phallosan:
Extremely expensive, but I'm willing to pay if it's that much more worth it. Some people say it's really comfortable, other say it's given them irritation or blisters.
Why is it so much more expensive than other suction products? Is there a modification for the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] for foreskin restoration?

VLC [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]Tugger[/words]:
This looks like it might be the best option for me, and [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MoS[/words] advertises it, but I still wonder why it's cheaper than the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words]. The biggest difference I see is the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] has a spring mechanism and the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words] and others are more like bungie cord. But pulling is pulling, regardless if there's springs, right?

Thanks everyone!

 

[megamike]

go for the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tugger[/words]. best option in my opinion

 

[DLD]

I would get the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] and the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words] [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]Tugger[/words]. The two can be used in many ways. First the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words] as an attachment for the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SizeGenetics[/words] for daily use makes it very comfortable and easy to take on and off (with 30 second). There is no wrapping involved either, which save much time. The [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] can be word 24 hours a day so it is great for overnight length gaining. Another awesome thing about the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] and having the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] is the combinational modification called the PhalloGenetics. Also, you will have everything you nee to do the entire [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words] Routine.

 

[User182811]

Just get the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tugger[/words] or stick with the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] until a better [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] comes out.

I have a [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] and while it is comfortable I don't feel like it gives that great of a stretch. Especially considering the price of the device itself plus the monthly or bimonthly costs of buying new sleeves and protector caps. Honestly not worth it. I wish I had gotten the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tugger[/words] instead. I still might actually.

 

[wakingdream]

Thanks guys.

Which one will have the most suction and allow me to pull on it manually, the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words] or the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words]?

I guess I still don't understand the difference between the two. For instance, if I get the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words] and use it with the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SizeGenetics[/words], why would I also want to buy the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] to use with the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words]? They look like the same thing.
You mentioned that the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] can be worn 24 hours a day - is that also true for the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words]?

MegaMike, are you circumcised?

 

[User182811]

You don't need both. And 24 hours a day is not accurate. After repeatedly wearing it several hours a day you will get sore and swollen around the urethral opening, even with a protector cap unless you take it off from time to time.

 

[acromegaly]

i think [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]vlc[/words] is the only one marketed for forskin restoration, i might be wrong tho. just pulling it back under your leg and sitting on it works too if u work from home or something...

 

[wakingdream]

So what I'm gathering is there's no difference in the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] other than it's price tag?
I'm not trying to be cheap. I'll spend whatever I need to for comfort, etc. But I've seen the "what's the difference" question asked on the forum many times, but I can't seem to find an answer.

 

[DLD]

Thanks guys.

Which one will have the most suction and allow me to pull on it manually, the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words] or the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words]?

I guess I still don't understand the difference between the two. For instance, if I get the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words] and use it with the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SizeGenetics[/words], why would I also want to buy the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] to use with the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words]? They look like the same thing.
You mentioned that the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] can be worn 24 hours a day - is that also true for the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words]?

MegaMike, are you circumcised?

It needs to be understood that the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words] by itself will do little more than help you heal in an elongated position, there is just not enough intensity to gain length. The only reason I mention the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words] is because it is a great [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] connection. The [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] does not need any additions, it will do everything the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] will do and more.

 

[wakingdream]

The pf wont even come close to giving a stretch like the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]sg[/words].

Why can't you just stretch/pull the strap harder on the PF? Will the suction pop off?

 

[ma999]

The pf wont do everything the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]sg[/words] will do. The only thing wrong with the size gentics is it uses a strap. The pf wont even come close to giving a stretch like the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]sg[/words]. The pf is good nothing but lighting your pocket book. Sorry but folks need to be more honest about the pf and stop making the germans rich off a product that wasnt designed to lengthen but to help fix the curvature of the penis.

I've had 3 phallosans over the course of a a few years probably have logged in about 3000 hours.. I only paid for one though and it was used at that, before asking why I would buy it so many times.

The [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] is extremely comfortable, and the idea of that you can wear and go out in public, work, sleep in safely seems like a holy grail. Unless you are a complete noob, it doesn't seem nearly as effective has a rod stretcher. Side to side in theory sounds good, but in my experience straight up, straight out, or straight down is much more effective stretch. Besides the lack of tension.

Curve corrections, and straighting out a penis which is what my main goal was for getting one. I have a right curve. Stretching against the curve against its side made zero difference in 3000 hours stretching against a curve. At 500 with rod it had made a curve reduction.

 

[DLD]

The pf wont do everything the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]sg[/words] will do. The only thing wrong with the size gentics is it uses a strap. The pf wont even come close to giving a stretch like the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]sg[/words]. The pf is good nothing but lighting your pocket book. Sorry but folks need to be more honest about the pf and stop making the germans rich off a product that wasnt designed to lengthen but to help fix the curvature of the penis.

That would be saying that everyone here that has gained with the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] is tying....I do not think that be the case. Your opinion is certainly welcome but to make a blanket statement that it is "lighting your pocket book" simply is not true. Many people prefer different devices for different reasons.

 

[DLD]

For curve correction a traditional [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] will do the job. Best of both worlds is the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words], it does what the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] and [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] do all in one.

 

[eugine8plz]

I really like the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words], i can wear it for hours a day with only needing to make minor adjustments every 45 minutes to 1 hour. When you buy it you might want to buy a different sleeve to use with it such as an ab silicone sleeve (i bought the ab silicone sleeve but it took about a month to come in). The [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] is also another option, although in my case the diaphragms broke on me within a week at the most. Hope this helps you out, if you have any more questions just ask!

 

[superman05xx]

Neither will give you a better stretch than manual work. I have both of these devices .... [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] is my top pick (I wasn't able to get the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]vlc[/words] tigger working like it should and that was with several switches of the caps and everything); however, check out the mods I mentioned on here somewhere. My mods refer to better sleeves and also how to better work the device to avoid pain.

 

[LONGERDICK7+]

Yes dld i agree folks use different stuff for different reasons. But lets be honest it does not stretch hard enough to make and length gains. Hell bro you can't even stretch it long enough to get it to stretch. It won't even stretch past the hip. Lmao!! There biggest selling point to sell it, is that you can sleep with it. That is there number one selling point and is why so many buy it. Thinking they can do it while they sleep so others don't know. Even when its by the hip the bell and the pump and then the arms are sitting on the side of the pants. Lol. It is by far the worse stretcher out there for gaining length and quality. There is not 1 piece on it that is of quality. At best it's worth maybe 100$. It wasnt even designed as a stretcher. But not trying to just bash there product but save many p.e. brothers out there time and money. Nothing is more disappointing then wasting hundereds of dollars and get nothing out of it. I have never heard one person say, HEY THIS THING IS MADE OF QUALITY! If you wanna gain length stay away from the pf. If you wanna slowly try and fix a curvature problem then get it, thats why it was made. I know what p.e. folks need in a stretcher and this late fall i will be putting it out. Surprised no one else had yet.

Would be great to see whats your product,An amazing stretching device that shows gains quicker! Most guys here would be interested. imho

 

[wakingdream]

Thanks guys.
I understand alot more now.
So aside from the differences in the straps and rods, etc, which of the suction devices has the strongest suction and comfort for intense manual stretching?
The [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words] has attachments for weights, so it sounds like it can withstand alot of pulling, but do you think it's more comfortable than clamping on a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]lengthmaster[/words] or bib, etc?

 

[eugine8plz]

I remember when you were breaking them. I still don't know how you did. Im on 3 months on mine and use it 8 to 12hrs a day. And only take it off to use the bathroom. Im talking about tue [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]pmp[/words] of course. And the pf pulls so gentle you shouldnt have to readjust it every hour

Ya I usually don't have to adjust it but I just like to make sure that no suction is being lost. And ya bro aha those were the good old days lol I'm gonna try my [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] out soon again and see how it goes. Hopefully it doesn't fuck up on me again like before, cause I really liked the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words], and I get a very good stretch from it.

 

[eugine8plz]

I don't know why you were having the problems with it you were having. If you decide to use it again let me know and i will take a video for you just to make sure your putting it together right. I didn't at first then i watched the video a few more times and saw were i was messing up. Like i said i wish they made more sizes for the glan instead of just one. And they should give more of the replaceable parts or a better price. But you can use ballons in place of them also. I have good luck with mine lasting 3 to 4 months. But i make sure i keep them clean and my nails short to not scratch them.

Ok ya i am going to try mine out probably some time tomorrow so if you can send me a vid of you putting it together and even putting it on (if you are ok with that, totally up to you bro) that would help out a lot. And ya i wish they made different glans cap sizes too, i have a slightly smaller glans so i believe that would also be a reason why there are breaking on me. I cleaned mine too every couple days but what does cleaning do, does it help it last longer and not corrode in a sense? I might try to get some smaller balloons that i can use as well.

 

[DLD]

Thanks guys.
I understand alot more now.
So aside from the differences in the straps and rods, etc, which of the suction devices has the strongest suction and comfort for intense manual stretching?
The [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words] has attachments for weights, so it sounds like it can withstand alot of pulling, but do you think it's more comfortable than clamping on a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]lengthmaster[/words] or bib, etc?

The [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words] is by far the most intense length equipment. Nothing can compare to this as the intensity created and since it is a tool for manual work every possible position is possible, unlike any of the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extenders[/words] we carry. Out of the 3 [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extenders[/words] we carry, they all hold different benefits but if I were to say which one would be the smartest way to spend money I would go with the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] as it has much of the qualities of the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] with most of the qualities of the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words]. I think some men are even attesting to the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] beings able to use through the night, hopefully someone will chime in. The benefits to the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] are it is very comfortable, it can be worn 24 hours a day, it is the most concealed out of the 3. The [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SizeGenetics[/words] is strongest as far as intensity goes but as I said the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] rivals that. If you are doing a manual/tool routine I would suggest both an [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] and a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words] as they are very different from each other.