Length before Girth Theory!

[MoS-Newbie]

Hey guys.

I think some of may know this theory. The Length-before-Girth-Theory.

The theory says the following: The more girth you have, the harder it is to stretch (and make significant length gains). So if you have a specific length goal that you want to achieve -> Let's say 9 inches in my case, you should focus on reaching that length goal before you do anything else. So no girth training at all until you have reached your length goal!

WARNING: This doesn't apply to total newbies. You can safely do 3-6 months of the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words] without worrying about getting to girthy to make length gains. But after that, you should think about what your main goal is and focus on that.

The thing is this: I think this theory holds a lot of truth! I am experiencing it myself at the moment. Currently I do 10-20 minutes of [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BathMate[/words] pumping everyday. Most days, I do it after stretching (because of the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words]-principles). And I notice that I'm gaining some serious girth since I started using the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] 3 months ago (which is great of course). But my [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words] workouts are getting more tedious ever since! I can't stretch as far as I could 3 months ago with the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words] because my dick has become so girthy!

One guy in a German PE forum explained it very well. Imagine a rubber band. When you have a thin rubber band, it's easy to stretch it apart. But the thicker a rubber band is, the harder it gets to stretch. Of course the penis is not the same thing as a rubber band. But on that German forum, there were many guys who focused heavily on girth early on in their PE careers. They reached the magic girth numbers of 6, some went crazy and went up to 7 inches. They also worked on length, but not as much. And after they reached that girth, they had serious troubles with gaining length! And I'm talking about BIG TROUBLES. Some of them saw some extreme hanging methods as their last resort. And even with hours of hanging everyday as some of them did, their length would increase really really slowly.

Can some of you confirm this theory? Or bust it? To me, it makes a lot of sense and I will now focus on reaching my length goal first.

I don't wanna be that guy who can't reach his length goal and I don't want to resort to hanging because I find it very dangerous and also tedious. But that is just my personal opinion, because I feel like I can gain girth very easily (as I noticed now after only 3 months of [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] usage). Also I'm already above the average girth and after a 15 minute [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] session I'm already pushing that 6 inch girth. So if need be, I can just pump it up before sex

EDIT:

Found this theory floating around on pegym, I hope it's ok to post this link:

https://www.pegym.com/forums/pe-theory-science-forum/16295-length-first-girth-second.html

 

[kyomoto]

What a bout a 6.5" girthy beginner. What if he does girth first then length?

 

[MoS-Newbie]

What a bout a 6.5" girthy beginner. What if he does girth first then length?

I honestly don't know, but I think he won't be able to ever have sex =D

 

[kyomoto]

I honestly don't know, but I think he won't be able to ever have sex =D

Yo would think because of the girth being 6.5 he wouldn't be able to gain length like the rest of the guys. And with this idea in mind its probably just dependent on the person's size at the time and not really if they're a beginner. But I don't know we need someone to give us some insight who has started with 6.5 girth

 

[ChilDsh]

Never heard about this theory , it's bullshit if you ask me..length and girth complement each other , you will gain a bit of length doing girth work,and a bit of girth doing length work.Working on both length and girth would be more productive than working on length only or girth only if you ask me.

So the theory says that you can't stretch your dick properly if you have a thick flaccid? ( since you worked on girth and you increased the girth of your flaccid ) . I call bullshit again....imo there are two times when you can't stretch properly,one when you are expanded after girth work,and two when you are semi erect - erect ( no talking about erect stretching here ) , otherwise , you could have a 7" girth flaccid,you will stretch it.

The tissue , cells , etc , in your dick will be stretched . There might be a bit of truth in this theory, but i wouldn't waste my time with it.

So in the end,i think it's much better to work both length and girth , than working length only until you hit your goal,and then work on girth.Plus you are wasting tons of time.

My opinion,don't throw rocks at me

 

[kyomoto]

Never heard about this theory , it's bullshit if you ask me..length and girth complement each other , you will gain a bit of length doing girth work,and a bit of girth doing length work.Working on both length and girth would be more productive than working on length only or girth only if you ask me.

So the theory says that you can't stretch your dick properly if you have a thick flaccid? ( since you worked on girth and you increased the girth of your flaccid ) . I call bullshit again....imo there are two times when you can't stretch properly,one when you are expanded after girth work,and two when you are semi erect - erect ( no talking about erect stretching here ) , otherwise , you could have a 7" girth flaccid,you will stretch it.

The tissue , cells , etc , in your dick will be stretched . There might be a bit of truth in this theory, but i wouldn't waste my time with it.

So in the end,i think it's much better to work both length and girth , than working length only until you hit your goal,and then work on girth.Plus you are wasting tons of time.

My opinion,don't throw rocks at me

Haha well prove us wrong.

 

[ChilDsh]

What do you think about this , DLD?

 

[kyomoto]

What do you think about this , DLD?

I remember him saying Length before Girth is easier.

 

[ChilDsh]

I remember him saying Length before Girth is easier.

Hmm,i think he was talking about sessions in a day,he said doing length before girth is easier because if you do girth than length,your dick will be expanded and you wouldn't get a good stretch,i don't think he was talking about this theory.Still waiting for the master to speak

 

[kyomoto]

Hmm,i think he was talking about sessions in a day,he said doing length before girth is easier because if you do girth than length,your dick will be expanded and you wouldn't get a good stretch,i don't think he was talking about this theory.Still waiting for the master to speak

Idk.

 

[Longth]

You should try warm wraps to loosen things up before you do your routine. Also bundled stretching should be helpful as well. There's also [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ads[/words], which can be done bundled, and has been shown to be really great for length and girth if you train girth afterwards.

I had significant length gains with 6" girth using [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ads[/words] and bundles and lots of kegels. I was also using [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] twice a day and still broke through. Theories in pe are still pretty young, so there's really no telling exactly why I had success (about .4 in 3 months) but I think it's kinda irrelevant. Just because additional length might be harder to gain with greater girth, the overall mass gained per inch is obviously relative.

I would try bundles and warming up to get things loose before I cut [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] at all. You might also just need to try new stretches as well. Sometimes your dick just gets resistant to the methods you're using. If you're still gaining though, don't change anything. Do it to death.

 

[kyomoto]

You should try warm wraps to loosen things up before you do your routine. Also bundled stretching should be helpful as well. There's also [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ads[/words], which can be done bundled, and has been shown to be really great for length and girth if you train girth afterwards.

I had significant length gains with 6" girth using [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ads[/words] and bundles and lots of kegels. I was also using [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] twice a day and still broke through. Theories in pe are still pretty young, so there's really no telling exactly why I had success (about .4 in 3 months) but I think it's kinda irrelevant. Just because additional length might be harder to gain with greater girth, the overall mass gained per inch is obviously relative.

I would try bundles and warming up to get things loose before I cut [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] at all. You might also just need to try new stretches as well. Sometimes your dick just gets resistant to the methods you're using. If you're still gaining though, don't change anything. Do it to death.

So you pretty much had to get your penis in a very malleable state. I think it's hard to gain length with big girth it just makes sense because it's like getting your member all buff and shit. You can't get him flexible unless you lose some mass.

 

[Longth]

So you pretty much had to get your penis in a very malleable state. I think it's hard to gain length with big girth it just makes sense because it's like getting your member all buff and shit. You can't get him flexible unless you lose some mass.

You kinda want to do that with length work in general don't you? Between fatigue, hot warm ups, and bundling it should just plain be easier to make gains. It seems like kind of a given, or close to it by now.

You can literally flip the theory around and say a wider rubber band can ultimately be stretched farther than a thinner one too. I just figure if he's gaining he should stay the course. Gaining both simultaneously is a pretty nice achievement, albeit a little slower for each usually.

Idk, I tend to agree with the theory, but I really don't think it's as big a deal as the methods used to gain length is the first place. The op could literally be dealing with ligament retraction, or a tad of hard flaccid from overtraining. So many things I'd want to rule out before halting what are fairly slow (albeit awesome) gains in girth from the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words].

I guess I'm just fond of the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] in an [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]srt[/words] program regardless. Very few negatives and a lot of positives.

 

[kyomoto]

You kinda want to do that with length work in general don't you? Between fatigue, hot warm ups, and bundling it should just plain be easier to make gains. It seems like kind of a given, or close to it by now.

You can literally flip the theory around and say a wider rubber band can ultimately be stretched farther than a thinner one too. I just figure if he's gaining he should stay the course. Gaining both simultaneously is a pretty nice achievement, albeit a little slower for each usually.

Idk, I tend to agree with the theory, but I really don't think it's as big a deal as the methods used to gain length is the first place. The op could literally be dealing with ligament retraction, or a tad of hard flaccid from overtraining. So many things I'd want to rule out before halting what are fairly slow (albeit awesome) gains in girth from the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words].

I guess I'm just fond of the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] in an [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]srt[/words] program regardless. Very few negatives and a lot of positives.

You're right. You have to rule out other things first before getting to the theory. And yes I understand malleability is for length. Gaining both girth and length at the same time are slow for me together. I remember doing both at the same time and it took me a while to see length gains and very little too. So all I did was get rid of girth and focused on length but of course that means FOCUSING on length. That focus could mean more time spent on length, but in my case I did the same thing in my girth routine. I saw more gains that way and i decided to move on that way.

Obviously the theory is not proven by my experience it just seems relative but because i was gaining it just means i was gaining in general.

 

[templnite]

After your girth routine the tunica is already stretched so it makes sense that its harder to trump that stretch. You should still try bro, and [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words]. I think the theory is good for somebody who can't focus on both a length, and girth routine at the same time. Sometimes you don't have the time/energy, but if you have then go for it by all means

 

[MoS-Newbie]

Ok guys very interessing views on the subject

Anyways, I won't change my routine as long as I'm gaining. Also, I myself am still a beginner (see my signature). So there are still some newbie gains to claim, at least until January 2016

But it's always interessting to discuss PE theorys Are there any guys on this board who experienced the same thing as the German guys did? Too much girth making length gains difficult?

 

[ChilDsh]

Are there any guys on this board who experienced the same thing as the German guys did? Too much girth making length gains difficult?

Well,i'm around 6 in girth ( depeding on EQ,mood,etc ) , sometimes i'm 5.9,sometimes a bit over 6,and i gain length very hard,but i don't think it has anything to do with girth,i'm just not gaining very easily in length...girth,i could gain 5 inches of girth in 2 days if you let me . lol...i'm kidding,but compared to length,i'm gaining girth much faster.

 

[GhostRider]

I remember DLD saying that girth and length help each other, training one helps gain in other.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9jEetF0kBw
But the thicker penis will be harder to lengthen IMO, same as the longer penis will be harder to gain girth on. You just have more mass than needs to be added. If you want add 1 inch in length with a girth of 6 inches than you need more extra tissue if you had only 4 inches of girth. Same goes the other way, adding an inch of girth on a 8 inch long penis is harder than with a 6 inch long penis. Simply more tissue needed.

 

[ChilDsh]

I remember DLD saying that girth and length help each other, training one helps gain in other.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9jEetF0kBw
But the thicker penis will be harder to lengthen IMO, same as the longer penis will be harder to gain girth on. You just have more mass than needs to be added. If you want add 1 inch in length with a girth of 6 inches than you need more extra tissue if you had only 4 inches of girth. Same goes the other way, adding an inch of girth on a 8 inch long penis is harder than with a 6 inch long penis. Simply more tissue needed.

Nice post

 

[DLD]

I remember DLD saying that girth and length help each other, training one helps gain in other.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9jEetF0kBw
But the thicker penis will be harder to lengthen IMO, same as the longer penis will be harder to gain girth on. You just have more mass than needs to be added. If you want add 1 inch in length with a girth of 6 inches than you need more extra tissue if you had only 4 inches of girth. Same goes the other way, adding an inch of girth on a 8 inch long penis is harder than with a 6 inch long penis. Simply more tissue needed.

Here is the original study I did:

The Penis is a BALLOON not a ROPE
I have read many posts in my time on the impact of girth effecting length and visa-versa. Some men believe training girth may hinder length gains and I want to debate this. In my opinion Length and Girth not only complement each other but a small gain in both directions increase the total size of your penis then if you made the same gain in any single area

I hear people comparing the penis to rope or a rubber band stating that it is easier to stretch a thinner rope or band in comparison to a thicker one. I completely agree with this theory but I feel it is a poor penile comparison. The penis is more like a balloon as it is filled with blood when we get an erection and emptied when we are flaccid.

The reason I debate this is simple you can't fill a rope with liquid so it is impossible to expand the rope through increasing thickness. But you can expand a balloon length and thickness by increasing its load capacity. When you fill a balloon past it’s capacity it not only grows wider but longer too. The penis is very similar to balloon in that when we fill it with blood during an erection it expands outward and upward.

With that said I think it is a bad decision to neglect girth in hopes for better length gains. I have always trained both Length and Girth with as much intensity as the other with very good results. What are your opinions?

 

[DreamDick]

I think right after girth work, length session should not be attempted. Now a days, I am using the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bm[/words] as a tool to achieve the "magic jelly state". After a [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bm[/words] session, I use cockring for 6+ hours but I use it not too light and NOT too tight)and then, when I remove it, I find my dick is in the "magic jelly state" and
I do the llength session)

 

[DreamDick]

For me that "magic jelly state" is the key to effectively break down the tunica

 

[kyomoto]

For me that "magic jelly state" is the key to effectively break down the tunica

You may be right. We need some other people's thoughts including DLD's

 

[DLD]

For me that "magic jelly state" is the key to effectively break down the tunica

Indeed and that jelly state is easy to get to, just have an orgasm and you are there! In this state, doing Bundles? Big time Tunica stretching!

 

[templnite]

You may be right. We need some other people's thoughts including DLD's

I usually go jelly after my pre-fatigue which is jelqing, and bundles. Sometimes after the entire session ill be gel, but usually I just have a heavy, fat flaccid with a little gel, and a little firmness *aldente*

 

[GhostRider]

I usually go jelly after my pre-fatigue which is jelqing, and bundles. Sometimes after the entire session ill be gel, but usually I just have a heavy, fat flaccid with a little gel, and a little firmness *aldente*

What is that jelly state? Like a lot of blood in the penis while flaccid? Cause I don't know if I ever had it.

 

[Longth]

What is that jelly state? Like a lot of blood in the penis while flaccid? Cause I don't know if I ever had it.

Just where there's zero stiffness at all. Like after an orgasm and you get super floppy.

 

[GhostRider]

Just where there's zero stiffness at all. Like after an orgasm and you get super floppy.

Thanks. So I thinks thats what I get after bundled stretches, before my routine.

 

[kyomoto]

Thanks. So I thinks thats what I get after bundled stretches, before my routine.

If you do that before your routine you'll have a better time stretching since you're practically replicating the jelly state without masturbation or sex.

 

[DLD]

What is that jelly state? Like a lot of blood in the penis while flaccid? Cause I don't know if I ever had it.

A malleable, stretchable state where there is no resistance from Pelvic Floor Muscles.

 

[ChilDsh]

A malleable, stretchable state where there is no resistance from Pelvic Floor Muscles.

Basically when you cum

 

[templnite]

Thanks. So I thinks thats what I get after bundled stretches, before my routine.

Yes bundles get you gel in no time :blush:!

 

[GhostRider]

Yes bundles get you gel in no time :blush:!

Yes sir! Awsome to get in before stretching session. Change the way it feels big time.

 

[BaddJack]

Due to physical limitations, I was only able to practice pumping for most of this year.

I concentrated on increasing my mid to upper girth successfully gaining 0.25".

I utilized a 2.25 diam vs my normal 2.50 diam tube, which helped restrain my base girth and keep it at 8.5".

The primary thing that I have noticed is that I can at best get to 8.75" in length in the tube.

Previously I was getting to 9.25" length in the tube.

I find that with my increased girth stretching takes much more of a physical effort.

I guess my length gains were not cemented in.

Now that my physical health has improved, I need to put the tubes away and get back to stretching.

Pumping is too addictive to ignore.

 

[kyomoto]

Due to physical limitations, I was only able to practice pumping for most of this year.

I concentrated on increasing my mid to upper girth successfully gaining 0.25".

I utilized a 2.25 diam vs my normal 2.50 diam tube, which helped restrain my base girth and keep it at 8.5".

The primary thing that I have noticed is that I can at best get to 8.75" in length in the tube.

Previously I was getting to 9.25" length in the tube.

I find that with my increased girth stretching takes much more of a physical effort.

I guess my length gains were not cemented in.

Now that my physical health has improved, I need to put the tubes away and get back to stretching.

Pumping is too addictive to ignore.

Hmm I knew girth had something to do with how much stretching you can do. Do you do stretching before you pump?

 

[MoS-Newbie]

DLD, did you always train both length and girth evenly throughout your entire PE career? Or did you have times where you would focus only on one thing? And how were the gains like in the different phases?

 

[kyomoto]

DLD, did you always train both length and girth evenly throughout your entire PE career? Or did you have times where you would focus only on one thing? And how were the gains like in the different phases?

I think he trained length first. Could be wrong. Lets wait for the master himself.

 

[DLD]

DLD, did you always train both length and girth evenly throughout your entire PE career? Or did you have times where you would focus only on one thing? And how were the gains like in the different phases?

I always train both in two session, length and girth separate. Routine I use, [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words].

 

[kyomoto]

I always train both in two session, length and girth separate. Routine I use, [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words].

How did you not let girth interfere with your length gains?

 

[Longth]

How did you not let girth interfere with your length gains?

They're just not mutually exclusive. Routines like that are about bigger, rather than thicker or longer, so there's a synergy between the two where each helps the other. For the majority, it's more appropriate to go for a flat out volume routine. The only exceptions being those extraordinarily thick or long already.

I honestly think volume building routines are the best bet to make the largest gains in overall size most efficiently. But that's one of the oldest debates in pe. So we have some doing [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words] for length or girth specifically. Really though, as long as the thing gets bigger the opinion is right enough right?

 

[kyomoto]

They're just not mutually exclusive. Routines like that are about bigger, rather than thicker or longer, so there's a synergy between the two where each helps the other. For the majority, it's more appropriate to go for a flat out volume routine. The only exceptions being those extraordinarily thick or long already.

I honestly think volume building routines are the best bet to make the largest gains in overall size most efficiently. But that's one of the oldest debates in pe. So we have some doing [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words] for length or girth specifically. Really though, as long as the thing gets bigger the opinion is right enough right?

Eh Idk. I was always lenient toward length first then girth. I can see now that it shouldn't be the case. Intensity is all that matters.

 

[DLD]

Length before girth is also covered in [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words]. It dictates that length should always be done before girth but one session a week. This one session where girth is done before length is explained in [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words].

 

[huge-girth]

Never heard about this theory , it's bullshit if you ask me..length and girth complement each other , you will gain a bit of length doing girth work,and a bit of girth doing length work.Working on both length and girth would be more productive than working on length only or girth only if you ask me.

So the theory says that you can't stretch your dick properly if you have a thick flaccid? ( since you worked on girth and you increased the girth of your flaccid ) . I call bullshit again....imo there are two times when you can't stretch properly,one when you are expanded after girth work,and two when you are semi erect - erect ( no talking about erect stretching here ) , otherwise , you could have a 7" girth flaccid,you will stretch it.

The tissue , cells , etc , in your dick will be stretched . There might be a bit of truth in this theory, but i wouldn't waste my time with it.

So in the end,i think it's much better to work both length and girth , than working length only until you hit your goal,and then work on girth.Plus you are wasting tons of time.

My opinion,don't throw rocks at me

I'm currently working on length and girth daily now. By 9th of July, I will be in a good place to pass judgement on this theory.