Length and Girth routines simultaneously?

[Fillerup]

Hi Guys. I'm just wondering. Is it ok to do length and girth routines at the same time? That is certainly the case with the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] program, and it's what I've always done. But I've been over at the Bib Hanger site and "Bigger" strongly recommends acheiving your length goals FIRST before embarking on a girth program, and even suggests doing both would be counterproductive. DLD, what's your take on this. At 54 years of age, I don't want to spend anymore time than I have to. Currently, this is my routine:

Morning: hang 11 lbs with Bib Hanger-2 20-min sets followed by X4 [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]Extender[/words] 3-6 hours per day

Every 2nd morning I do girth consisting of 15 minutes Jelq and squeezes then 2 10-minute sets of clamped squeezes, bends etc. After the clamping I'm really pumped, almost 7". Later I try to get in a couple of hours with the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words].

If I were to follow bigger's advice, I'd have to drop one or the other. DLD, and others, your comments are appreciated. Thanks much!

Fillerup

 

[stillwantmore]

Hi Guys. I'm just wondering. Is it ok to do length and girth routines at the same time? That is certainly the case with the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] program, and it's what I've always done. But I've been over at the Bib Hanger site and "Bigger" strongly recommends acheiving your length goals FIRST before embarking on a girth program, and even suggests doing both would be counterproductive. DLD, what's your take on this. At 54 years of age, I don't want to spend anymore time than I have to. Currently, this is my routine:

Morning: hang 11 lbs with Bib Hanger-2 20-min sets followed by X4 [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]Extender[/words] 3-6 hours per day

Every 2nd morning I do girth consisting of 15 minutes Jelq and squeezes then 2 10-minute sets of clamped squeezes, bends etc. After the clamping I'm really pumped, almost 7". Later I try to get in a couple of hours with the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words].

If I were to follow bigger's advice, I'd have to drop one or the other. DLD, and others, your comments are appreciated. Thanks much!

Fillerup

I'm not here to down talk BIB and his ideas. I do understand his mentality though. He's coming from the angle of user comfort. If you are going to hang and then do girth work, or vice versa, chances are your penis will be sore from the hanging or girth work. This may make using the BIB hangers too uncomfortable. Also, most men do not understand that hanging weights is actually one of the longest roads you may travel in Penis Enlargement for length gains.

It can take MANY months to work up to any respectable level of weight. Even after that, how many hours will most be be able to dedicate daily to hanging weights? One at the most usually. 5 hours a week at what...the average I have seen in a decade of time on these forums....is usually around 10lbs. You'd be much better off stretching. Hands down, honest opinion based on my own experience. YES, I gained 2'' in length permanently from weights. However, I was able to commit a total daily average of around 4 hours a day to that endeavor. I also used more weight than the average guy. 15-17.5lbs. Once in a while I went heavier, but not often.

Even with a method like ''extreme hanging'', you would need many months...possibly a year before you could use a similar level of resistance that could be had with ''just'' your hands and upper body. Dash, what are you using on those single sets? 50lbs on a good day?

I'm definitely not here to dissuade any man from using weights if he chooses to. Only to convey the FACT that it is a long, hard journey to gains for MOST men. I've seen guys who have been hanging for YEARS and never really get anywhere. It's mostly due to time constraints, but also because they never progressively train. They never break past a certain weight level. Usually 10-15 pounds. Comparatively speaking, that is nothing in relation to what can be generated in resistance with your hands. Sure, like some men will try to argue, you can hang for 15-20 minutes at a time. However, once again, you're using very little real resistance. In the same amount of time, you could get a LOT more resistance with your hands, and on more advanced stretches which use leverage and even the legs, much more.

With a manual routine, you don't have to worry about your penis being anywhere near as sore. That is the main reason you will usually see men doing both length and girth if they are doing a manual routine. A hanger is a hard (usually) object and it puts most of the focus of pressure on a very small area of your penis. This is another BIG reason (probably the MAIN reason) why you start with so little weight and take a very long time to progress. The penis has to adapt. This focusing of a high amount of stress in a small area is also why hanging (even with LOW weight) can feel ''intense'' even though the resistance is very little.

If I had it to do over, I'd have gone with a manual stretching routine, honest.

I challenge any man who is a hanger to hang weights for 6 months as he is currently, and track his results. THEN, manually stretch based on a solid routine and compare. I'm willing to bet bigger gains from the stretching routine.

 

[Fillerup]

Thank you for your reply Stillwantmore2. BTW, are you the same SWM that I remember from way back?

I would like to comment and maybe expand a bit on some of your statements.

I'm not here to down talk BIB and his ideas. I do understand his mentality though. He's coming from the angle of user comfort. If you are going to hang and then do girth work, or vice versa, chances are your penis will be sore from the hanging or girth work.

Actually, that isn't the reason. Bigger believes that Girth work, well, increases girth, which makes it harder to stretch ie a thin rope is easier to stretch than a thick one. I've read several of his posts in this regard and he's never referred to comfort as part of his reasoning.

If I may, I should give you just a bit of my Penis Enlargement history. I've been playing this game longer than many on this site have been breathing. I bought my first pump 34 years ago. Since that time, I've accumulated almost every Penis Enlargement device out there. Pumps, manual and electric, the Grip System, 2 bib hangers, penistretcher, circle device, My new X4 [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] etc. Like you I used to hang heavy weights for many sets, getting up to 20 lbs at one point. I've jelqed till my hands were ready to fall off. I've done squeezes, uli's etc. So I am a bit of a veteran and I have had some success, about 1 1/2" length and over 1" girth. But man, it took years, and years. Although of course, there were periods when I was not doing any Penis Enlargement. Unfortunately, I cannot say definitively what caused the gains. I suspect a combination of all the above. And although my gains have been reasonably good, I must confess- I "still want more"

Which brings me to where I'm at now. I have just resumed Penis Enlargement about 3 months ago, after a 4-year layoff due to driving my motorcycle into the side of a car at about 55 MPH. It's been a long road of recovery and though I broke both wrists quite badly, I am now able to do manual girth work without difficulty. When resuming Penis Enlargement, I decided to try a different, more passive approach, using an [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words]. I purchased one of the X4 Labs [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extenders[/words] and have been wearing it daily for a couple of months, and I have gained almost a half inch. But I'm wondering if maybe hanging some heavy weight first might move things along a little faster, based on one of the theories (and there are lots of them, aren't there?) that suggests the heavy weight causes micro tears in the penile structure, and the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] keeps those tears open while healing takes place. Seems logical, but so do some of the other theories. Anyway, as to weather or not doing girth work and length work together is counterproductive, I simply don't know.

Sure, like some men will try to argue, you can hang for 15-20 minutes at a time. However, once again, you're using very little real resistance. In the same amount of time, you could get a LOT more resistance with your hands, and on more advanced stretches which use leverage and even the legs, much more.

True enough, you can definitely pull harder with your hands, but certainly not for 15-20 minutes. At least I can't. I did mess around with manual stretching years ago, but found it painful and tiring. There was often slippage due to the fact that while I have a decent girth in the shaft of my penis, the head is relatively small. So there just isn't enough to grab and get a firm grip. So, I resorted to other means ie hanging, [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] etc.


If I had it to do over, I'd have gone with a manual stretching routine, honest.

Do you think that with a 4-year layoff, it might be just like starting over? Still, how to do the heavy manual stretches with the problems I've outlined. And even if I could, wouldn't an [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] be of value to keep the stretch over time? Perhaps you know of some way to make manual stretches easier in terms of a comfortable grip?
Thanks again for your comments.

Fillerup

 

[stillwantmore]

Yes, I am the same man.

There's that too. That is indeed part of his belief system about girth and length. It is definitely harder to hang though if you have also hit girth hard the same day.

If I may, I should give you just a bit of my Penis Enlargement history. I've been playing this game longer than many on this site have been breathing. I bought my first pump 34 years ago. Since that time, I've accumulated almost every Penis Enlargement device out there. Pumps, manual and electric, the Grip System, 2 bib hangers, penistretcher, circle device, My new X4 [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] etc. Like you I used to hang heavy weights for many sets, getting up to 20 lbs at one point. I've jelqed till my hands were ready to fall off. I've done squeezes, uli's etc. So I am a bit of a veteran and I have had some success, about 1 1/2" length and over 1" girth. But man, it took years, and years. Although of course, there were periods when I was not doing any Penis Enlargement. Unfortunately, I cannot say definitively what caused the gains. I suspect a combination of all the above. And although my gains have been reasonably good, I must confess- I "still want more"

Which brings me to where I'm at now. I have just resumed Penis Enlargement about 3 months ago, after a 4-year layoff due to driving my motorcycle into the side of a car at about 55 MPH. It's been a long road of recovery and though I broke both wrists quite badly, I am now able to do manual girth work without difficulty. When resuming Penis Enlargement, I decided to try a different, more passive approach, using an [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words]. I purchased one of the X4 Labs [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extenders[/words] and have been wearing it daily for a couple of months, and I have gained almost a half inch. But I'm wondering if maybe hanging some heavy weight first might move things along a little faster, based on one of the theories (and there are lots of them, aren't there?) that suggests the heavy weight causes micro tears in the penile structure, and the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] keeps those tears open while healing takes place. Seems logical, but so do some of the other theories. Anyway, as to weather or not doing girth work and length work together is counterproductive, I simply don't know.

I see where you're coming from and I honestly am not sure how to answer and give what I feel would be a solid, conclusive answer for you. I know you, like myself (as a Penis Enlargement vet) can smell the B.S. from a mile away. I don't want to follow theories anymore than yourself. I've done a lot to my penis over the years, just like you and I know when I WORK, Penis Enlargement also works. I've never bought into the whole ''less is more'' and err on the side of safety side of Penis Enlargement. I usually DO suggest new guys work up to things, but I also believe most of our penises are indeed the same in structure with some slight differences. Therefor, most of us are in fact capable of the same gains. Must you hang weights? What brought you back to it? If you have hung heavier before, are you going to go back to heavy hanging at some point? Why not a manual stretching routine? I'm genuinely just curious. In my own mind, most men will indeed get much more out of stretching than hanging.

True enough, you can definitely pull harder with your hands, but certainly not for 15-20 minutes. At least I can't. I did mess around with manual stretching years ago, but found it painful and tiring. There was often slippage due to the fact that while I have a decent girth in the shaft of my penis, the head is relatively small. So there just isn't enough to grab and get a firm grip. So, I resorted to other means ie hanging, [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] etc.

I see, and I see this same (forgive me) ''battle cry'' of hangers on every forum I've been on. (not trying to offend at all) They all say (pretty much) ''I can't hold a stretch as long....I can't keep a grip...I can't.....I can't....but when I HANG.....'' and so on. Most men ''try'' stretching then give up it seems. There are in fact better ways to do it and to get better grips. Some baby powder for example. Gripping more of the shaft vs only the glans. Using leverage (pipe, leg, sock, so on) so less actual ''pull'' is needed from the hands. Really if a guy just looks for the truth per se, he can find it. Also, ''only'' pulling for 30 seconds at a time for example, does indeed add up very quickly. Similar to hanging weights and how (I hope) a guy would keep track of his sets in a small note pad, a stretcher could/should do the same. Before you know it, 20 minutes have gone by, and collectively you have done much more stretching than with 20 minutes of hanging 15 pounds.

Do you think that with a 4-year layoff, it might be just like starting over? Still, how to do the heavy manual stretches with the problems I've outlined. And even if I could, wouldn't an [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] be of value to keep the stretch over time? Perhaps you know of some way to make manual stretches easier in terms of a comfortable grip?
Thanks again for your comments.

I do. I personally took 2 years off completely from all Penis Enlargement and lost nothing I had gained. Starting back about 6 months ago, I feel like I've caught a second wind so to speak. I do feel an [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] is definitely of benefit. DLD and I are eye to eye on that concept. It's a great way to do some passive stretching.

 

[stillwantmore]

I made some posts semi recently about stretching more effectively, but I'll be darned if I can find them. The search feature on this new forum software is horrible at best. I really do hope it gets fixed. Look around though and you can find more effective stretches.

 

[MAXAMEYES]

Hey Fillerup, have a look at this thread:

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/...Mess-With-the-quot-S-quot&p=392766#post392766

Not only the posts, but also the stretching method I propose in my signature. It's pretty much a good stretch that provides a good girth expansion at the same time.
Maybe I just respond inordinately well to girth stimulus but I gained anywhere from 1.25" to 1.5" in girth (not much of a measurer here) while not doing a hell of a lot of girth work at all.
So, as far as my experience goes, I firmly believe that growth in both dimensions can certainly happen simultaneously.

 

[All2Real]

wow SWM, great posts, I was actually thinking of getting into hanging in the future but now after hearing the thoughts of an experienced Penis Enlargement'er and one that infact tried hanging for years as stated above, I'm now thinking of keeping manual stretches as long as I Penis Enlargement, which might be as long as I'm able to. I might get an [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] though, I believe this might be a great device to add to my manual stretching sessions after my gains stop completely.

 

[Steady]

maxameyes...can't access that link you put there. Is it at the pay site?

 

[Turnover]

Thank you for your reply Stillwantmore2. BTW, are you the same SWM that I remember from way back?

I would like to comment and maybe expand a bit on some of your statements.

I'm not here to down talk BIB and his ideas. I do understand his mentality though. He's coming from the angle of user comfort. If you are going to hang and then do girth work, or vice versa, chances are your penis will be sore from the hanging or girth work.

Actually, that isn't the reason. Bigger believes that Girth work, well, increases girth, which makes it harder to stretch ie a thin rope is easier to stretch than a thick one. I've read several of his posts in this regard and he's never referred to comfort as part of his reasoning.

If I may, I should give you just a bit of my Penis Enlargement history. I've been playing this game longer than many on this site have been breathing. I bought my first pump 34 years ago. Since that time, I've accumulated almost every Penis Enlargement device out there. Pumps, manual and electric, the Grip System, 2 bib hangers, penistretcher, circle device, My new X4 [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] etc. Like you I used to hang heavy weights for many sets, getting up to 20 lbs at one point. I've jelqed till my hands were ready to fall off. I've done squeezes, uli's etc. So I am a bit of a veteran and I have had some success, about 1 1/2" length and over 1" girth. But man, it took years, and years. Although of course, there were periods when I was not doing any Penis Enlargement. Unfortunately, I cannot say definitively what caused the gains. I suspect a combination of all the above. And although my gains have been reasonably good, I must confess- I "still want more"

Which brings me to where I'm at now. I have just resumed Penis Enlargement about 3 months ago, after a 4-year layoff due to driving my motorcycle into the side of a car at about 55 MPH. It's been a long road of recovery and though I broke both wrists quite badly, I am now able to do manual girth work without difficulty. When resuming Penis Enlargement, I decided to try a different, more passive approach, using an [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words]. I purchased one of the X4 Labs [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extenders[/words] and have been wearing it daily for a couple of months, and I have gained almost a half inch. But I'm wondering if maybe hanging some heavy weight first might move things along a little faster, based on one of the theories (and there are lots of them, aren't there?) that suggests the heavy weight causes micro tears in the penile structure, and the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] keeps those tears open while healing takes place. Seems logical, but so do some of the other theories. Anyway, as to weather or not doing girth work and length work together is counterproductive, I simply don't know.

Sure, like some men will try to argue, you can hang for 15-20 minutes at a time. However, once again, you're using very little real resistance. In the same amount of time, you could get a LOT more resistance with your hands, and on more advanced stretches which use leverage and even the legs, much more.

True enough, you can definitely pull harder with your hands, but certainly not for 15-20 minutes. At least I can't. I did mess around with manual stretching years ago, but found it painful and tiring. There was often slippage due to the fact that while I have a decent girth in the shaft of my penis, the head is relatively small. So there just isn't enough to grab and get a firm grip. So, I resorted to other means ie hanging, [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] etc.


If I had it to do over, I'd have gone with a manual stretching routine, honest.

Do you think that with a 4-year layoff, it might be just like starting over? Still, how to do the heavy manual stretches with the problems I've outlined. And even if I could, wouldn't an [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] be of value to keep the stretch over time? Perhaps you know of some way to make manual stretches easier in terms of a comfortable grip?
Thanks again for your comments.

Fillerup

My eyes popped out of my head while reading this. Maybe because its one of the best reads Ive had all day-- and with the other great posts this thread has gotten amazing!

I like locking my [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]Length Master[/words] up to a table in my room and then lean back in my computer chair. This way I can control the strength of my stretch. Honestly it feels like a [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]Size Genetics[/words] done creatively. Ill do 20 min sessions re wrapping usually approx.1 hr. Sometimes twice a day recently. Im sorry to hear about your accident Fillerup. So glad to hear you are recovering and also feel the strength to attack the art of Penis Enlargement. You guys are ol'Skoool This place is unbelievable

 

[MAXAMEYES]

It's [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] !?
Look for TURNOVER'S Don't mess with the "S" thread.

maxameyes...can't access that link you put there. Is it at the pay site?

 

[bluetard117]

My eyes popped out of my head while reading this. Maybe because its one of the best reads Ive had all day-- and with the other great posts this thread has gotten amazing!

I like locking my [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]Length Master[/words] up to a table in my room and then lean back in my computer chair. This way I can control the strength of my stretch. Honestly it feels like a [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]Size Genetics[/words] done creatively. Ill do 20 min sessions re wrapping usually approx.1 hr. Sometimes twice a day recently. Im sorry to hear about your accident Fillerup. So glad to hear you are recovering and also feel the strength to attack the art of Penis Enlargement. You guys are ol'Skoool This place is unbelievable

How does that routine work out for you? I'm still trying to figure out some better ways to do long periods of stretching with the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words].

 

[Turnover]

Its fuckin terrrrif mate. I was thinking it may be a less well-known form of getting a an amazing stretch. I can go all different angles. SD, SO, and anything inbetween. Sometimes I ll sit straight up and take a bong rip- the problem is I get arroused doing it once in a while and then Im like a trapped penis vice.

 

[DLD]

Its fuckin terrrrif mate. I was thinking it may be a less well-known form of getting a an amazing stretch. I can go all different angles. SD, SO, and anything inbetween. Sometimes I ll sit straight up and take a bong rip- the problem is I get arroused doing it once in a while and then Im like a trapped penis vice.

Weed is such an important part of your routine

 

[Fillerup]

I made some posts semi recently about stretching more effectively, but I'll be darned if I can find them. The search feature on this new forum software is horrible at best. I really do hope it gets fixed. Look around though and you can find more effective stretches.

Hey, still, sorry it's taken so long to reply. I have company and little spare time (even for Penis Enlargement at the moment). So, you are the same SWM from years ago. I've followed your posts and interacted with you many times over the years, but not any time recent (except now). Your contribution to the Penis Enlargement world has been superb, and I take my hat off to you.

I tried a bit of manual stretching a couple of days ago. It only took 2 30-second pulls to produce a drop of blood at the tip of my dick. Too much pressure I suppose. And it did hurt, like like I remember. I can get a grip so that it doesn't slip, but the pressure on the head is just too high, unless I'm pulling too hard. But I doubt it, from what I've seen and read over the years. As far as stretching routines, wouldn't the original DLD "Phases" be adequate? I have to go back and review them, I don't think there is much in the way of manual stretching that has changed. Unless I'm wrong and feel free to correct me. As it stands, I'm on Penis Enlargement layoff for a few more days till my company leaves. Did you ever figure out where those stretching posts you made are located? I wouldn't mind having a look at them. Thanks much. nice to chat with you once more.

Fillerup

 

[stillwantmore]

Hey, still, sorry it's taken so long to reply. I have company and little spare time (even for Penis Enlargement at the moment). So, you are the same SWM from years ago. I've followed your posts and interacted with you many times over the years, but not any time recent (except now). Your contribution to the Penis Enlargement world has been superb, and I take my hat off to you.

I tried a bit of manual stretching a couple of days ago. It only took 2 30-second pulls to produce a drop of blood at the tip of my dick. Too much pressure I suppose. And it did hurt, like like I remember. I can get a grip so that it doesn't slip, but the pressure on the head is just too high, unless I'm pulling too hard. But I doubt it, from what I've seen and read over the years. As far as stretching routines, wouldn't the original DLD "Phases" be adequate? I have to go back and review them, I don't think there is much in the way of manual stretching that has changed. Unless I'm wrong and feel free to correct me. As it stands, I'm on Penis Enlargement layoff for a few more days till my company leaves. Did you ever figure out where those stretching posts you made are located? I wouldn't mind having a look at them. Thanks much. nice to chat with you once more.

Fillerup

Thanks for the kind words. Just goes to show what the SMALL MINORITY say about me is pretty much bogus.

The DLD phase routines are a great place to start. I'm going to contact him speaking of DLD and get some help digging up those threads. They're not that old. That is what is frustrating to me about not being able to find them. I don't want to spend an hour or so digging through the older pages of this forum. LOL.

A little blood from the glans is not that big of a deal. Just some ruptured capillaries. I get that once in a while from girth work. Grabbing a little farther back and with more of your hand can help with that and overall grip in general. Something else you may want to consider is your grip strength.

Here's a thread on my thoughts about that:

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/...UGE-Difference&p=386824&highlight=#post386824

 

[Turnover]

i tried a bit of manual stretching a couple of days ago. It only took 2 30-second pulls to produce a drop of blood at the tip of my dick. Too much pressure i suppose. And it did hurt, like like i remember. I can get a grip so that it doesn't slip, but the pressure on the head is just too high, unless i'm pulling too hard. But i doubt it, from what i've seen and read over the years. As far as stretching routines, wouldn't the original dld "phases" be adequate? I have to go back and review them, i don't think there is much in the way of manual stretching that has changed. Unless i'm wrong and feel free to correct me. As it stands, i'm on pe layoff for a few more days till my company leaves. Did you ever figure out where those stretching posts you made are located? I wouldn't mind having a look at them. Thanks much. Nice to chat with you once more.

Fillerup

[words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]Length Master[/words]

 

[DLD]

What is the problem with older threads?

 

[Fillerup]

Length Master

Yes, I've considered the "LengthMaster" but from looking at the pics, I wonder if I wouldn't have the same problem, except that instead of my hand(s), the device would cause excess pressure. It would be nice to hear from others that are using this device and how it has worked for them.

Anybody??

 

[stillwantmore]

What is the problem with older threads?

Not being able to find them for some reason.