I'm willing to say that the slower the gains the more permanent they are. But no, most forms are not 100% permanent and require some form of minimal maintenance.
[words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]Extender[/words] studies show no loss after 6 months of no use.
 
Once gains have become permanent there is no way to reverse them, unless there is a surgical method I am not aware of...what a silly surgery that would be. There is always a negotiation between permanent gains and ones that are not yet made permanent, usually about 1/2" this is why is is always suggest to go past your final goal by 1/2".

Loosing Permanent size is not possible by the same nature temporary gains are lost...the Tunica tissue that determines overall size is very, very dense with a very low elasticity (about 5%) making stretching it difficult but once this has been deformed it's elastic memory is so poor that it can not shrink. The ligaments follow this same order, although they do not share the same elastic properties and their lack of density is the reason we train an 1/2" past our goal.
 
doublelongdaddy;530013 said:
Once gains have become permanent there is no way to reverse them, unless there is a surgical method I am not aware of...what a silly surgery that would be. There is always a negotiation between permanent gains and ones that are not yet made permanent, usually about 1/2" this is why is is always suggest to go past your final goal by 1/2".

Loosing Permanent size is not possible by the same nature temporary gains are lost...the Tunica tissue that determines overall size is very, very dense with a very low elasticity (about 5%) making stretching it difficult but once this has been deformed it's elastic memory is so poor that it can not shrink. The ligaments follow this same order, although they do not share the same elastic properties and their lack of density is the reason we train an 1/2" past our goal.


So it's almost always 1/2 inch?

Example:

My goal is gaining 3 inch. Than i will need to gain 3 + 1/2 inch?

Its not like this:

My goal is gaining 3 inch than i will need to gain 6 inch because only 1/2 is really permanent?

Cheers,
Jim
 
Dicksize;594420 said:
So it's almost always 1/2 inch?

Example:

My goal is gaining 3 inch. Than i will need to gain 3 + 1/2 inch?

Its not like this:

My goal is gaining 3 inch than i will need to gain 6 inch because only 1/2 is really permanent?

Cheers,
Jim


THIS!!!! If it was the 2nd one- that would be waaay to absurd :D!
 
Let's say you finally have the gains you wanted, and you decide to stop, then you probably lose some of the gains.
I believe that you have to keep doing the exercises a few months more after getting the gains you wanted.
 
goalisbig;594465 said:
Let's say you finally have the gains you wanted, and you decide to stop, then you probably lose some of the gains.
I believe that you have to keep doing the exercises a few months more after getting the gains you wanted.

It is always smartest to work past your goal by a bit so nothing is lost from the goal size when temp gains are lost. This does not need to be extreme, if you reach your goal of lets say 8", simply drop your routine down to a maintenance routine, training once or twice a week for a couple months to cement those gains. In a perfect world you will want to do a maintenance routine for life to keep the penis healthy and in good function.
 
Hi,

Thank you very much for your replies.

I understand it a lot better now.
 
doublelongdaddy;594475 said:
It is always smartest to work past your goal by a bit so nothing is lost from the goal size when temp gains are lost.

So you're saying i should work past my goal of 8" and go to 12"!!!! that way there is no risk of going below 8'' when i stop doing PE. I will do it!! lol
 
youknowme123321;594646 said:
So you're saying i should work past my goal of 8" and go to 12"!!!! that way there is no risk of going below 8'' when i stop doing PE. I will do it!! lol

Well if you think that 4 inches is A BIT- then try doing it, yes rofl!!!!
 
To the OP, there is enough proof in the Picture section that gains are permanent, we have people who post pictures 2 years apart and the size is either the same or increased. How can you know they arent doing PE in those 2 years?
Look for discoloration, vascularity and redness. If the penis is the same color as the skin of the man, than that is a penis which is either untrained or very under trained ( 1.5 year rest). If the penis is not extremely vascular this suggest that jelqs or constricting exercises have not taken place. If the penis is not red or purple around the head rim it suggest the penis has not been streched for an extended period of time ( 1.5 years rest).
Hope this helps to silence your doubts brother.
 
RUBY10";594693 said:
To the OP, there is enough proof in the Picture section that gains are permanent, we have people who post pictures 2 years apart and the size is either the same or increased. How can you know they arent doing PE in those 2 years?
Look for discoloration, vascularity and redness. If the penis is the same color as the skin of the man, than that is a penis which is either untrained or very under trained ( 1.5 year rest). If the penis is not extremely vascular this suggest that jelqs or constricting exercises have not taken place. If the penis is not red or purple around the head rim it suggest the penis has not been streched for an extended period of time ( 1.5 years rest).
Hope this helps to silence your doubts brother.

i dont think he has any doubts about if PE works. He just asked Are gains permanent or does P.E have to be maintained for lifetime?
 
youknowme123321;594646 said:
So you're saying i should work past my goal of 8" and go to 12"!!!! that way there is no risk of going below 8'' when i stop doing PE. I will do it!! lol

By a bit I mean 1/2" past desired size will definitely cement the goal.
 
goalisbig;595022 said:
Do you really have to gain further? Would about 3 months of the same routine not be enough to cement?

Yes that would also work, both methods are considered cementing processes.
 
When I first started out just jelqing and stretching I put .5 of an inch in girth after six weeks then lost all of it after getting lazy.

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Still do my kegels though.
 
Kaanman;596073 said:
When I first started out just jelqing and stretching I put .5 of an inch in girth after six weeks then lost all of it after getting lazy.

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Still do my kegels though.

I feel like girth gains are harder to maintain. I lost 1/4" girth, but maintained my length during the school year while doing a maintenance routine. You should definitely aim for a 1/2" over your girth goals.
 
PumperNickle;596075 said:
I feel like girth gains are harder to maintain. I lost 1/4" girth, but maintained my length during the school year while doing a maintenance routine. You should definitely aim for a 1/2" over your girth goals.


You are right, girth gains do take more time to cement than length. Doing a maintenance routine will be a good way to cement these but also working past your goal size by 1/2" will ensure they stick. I also find that splitting my routine between length and girth helps with focus and concentration on that particular place I am training.
 
The problem is, a lot of gains may seem permanent but aren't really, so if you stop they end up going away. If you really want it, it's like being a bodybuilder, expect a lifelong commitment. Otherwise, you'll be pissed every time you shrink haha.
 
k18;598658 said:
You can at least do very light PE routines after you've reached your goals just to not lose anything that you've worked hard for.

Yeah, even DLD lost size when he took too long of a break. Maintenance stretching is pretty much a requirement.
 
dmoney101;598667 said:
Yeah, even DLD lost size when he took too long of a break. Maintenance stretching is pretty much a requirement.

Yup, when I was testing the first [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words] routine I took a good chunk of time off and lost some temporary gains. This was what I expected and it helped me gain a better understanding of how important the healing process was to cementing gains. Lost gains always return very quickly, it is much like muscle memory in body building.
 
dmoney101;598835 said:
Taking losses to make gains. It ended up being a good thing.

Yeah and it proved to me that restrictive underwear and clothing caused much of it.
 
doublelongdaddy;598815 said:
Yup, when I was testing the first [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words] routine I took a good chunk of time off and lost some temporary gains. This was what I expected and it helped me gain a better understanding of how important the healing process was to cementing gains. Lost gains always return very quickly, it is much like muscle memory in body building.

DLD do you think your size is currently cemented or do you think you have some length that you might lose if you stopped?
 
I concur. I consider half an inch more than just "a bit". Actually, in terms of girth i's a huge number! But nonetheless I think it's not too hard to maintain a routine of 15 to 20 mins, conducted twice or thrice a week to make gains permanent (or even to keep at it for the rest of your sex life) and to me it seems easier and less time-consuming than putting 0,5" on top of what you want to gain.
We'll see, right now I'm suffering from an irritated vein again like I did almost 2 years ago when I was a noob. I hope I won't lose anything while keeping my training efforts to a minimum.
 
Satyr;599495 said:
I concur. I consider half an inch more than just "a bit". Actually, in terms of girth i's a huge number! But nonetheless I think it's not too hard to maintain a routine of 15 to 20 mins, conducted twice or thrice a week to make gains permanent (or even to keep at it for the rest of your sex life) and to me it seems easier and less time-consuming than putting 0,5" on top of what you want to gain.
We'll see, right now I'm suffering from an irritated vein again like I did almost 2 years ago when I was a noob. I hope I won't lose anything while keeping my training efforts to a minimum.

1/2" in girth is the difference between 5.5 and the all powerful 6" and when it is seen in this way it is huge.
 
doublelongdaddy;599512 said:
1/2" in girth is the difference between 5.5 and the all powerful 6" and when it is seen in this way it is huge.

The difference between the typical 5 and respectable 5.5 is huge. Idk if I want to reach the full 6 or not. If I go 8x6 I won't get to go all out on most girls. I think 7.5x5.7 might be where I try to get and maintain. Sure having a freak cock would be cool for wow factor, but I can see it actually getting bothersome if you can't fully penetrate.
 
I wonder, why happened to me that I was typing my reply and the system got me out? what was that? took a while I was inspired and I was thrown out? DLD, Lightining? any idea? damn I was inspired, ok bottom line... Aim for the long run cause not even bones can't hold in the same place if being stretched thousands of times during 10 or + years.
 
I you don't make it a way of life better get off the horse cause this is not your race...unless surgery is what you are looking for.
 
dmoney101;599597 said:
The difference between the typical 5 and respectable 5.5 is huge. Idk if I want to reach the full 6 or not. If I go 8x6 I won't get to go all out on most girls. I think 7.5x5.7 might be where I try to get and maintain. Sure having a freak cock would be cool for wow factor, but I can see it actually getting bothersome if you can't fully penetrate.

Do you think 8 x 6 would be too big to handle? I think it is the perfect one- not too big, but still big enough torock everyone's world! rofl
 
Zambrodom3;599635 said:
Do you think 8 x 6 would be too big to handle? I think it is the perfect one- not too big, but still big enough torock everyone's world! rofl

That would be the most desired size most men ask for. If you look at many of the Brotherhood's progress threads you will see most are aiming for 8 x 6.
 
doublelongdaddy;599656 said:
That would be the most desired size most men ask for. If you look at many of the Brotherhood's progress threads you will see most are aiming for 8 x 6.

ya 8 x 6 is mine. not to big abut still big
 
youknowme123321;599809 said:
ya 8 x 6 is mine. not to big abut still big

What about 9" x 7"? Lets see when I can get there, although seems a big challenge to me mostly on girth...
 
Zambrodom3;599635 said:
Do you think 8 x 6 would be too big to handle? I think it is the perfect one- not too big, but still big enough torock everyone's world! rofl

For most girls, you aren't going to get full penetration. At least not until they're used to your size.
 
doublelongdaddy;599656 said:
That would be the most desired size most men ask for. If you look at many of the Brotherhood's progress threads you will see most are aiming for 8 x 6.

And you DLD, do you find this size like the perfect spot between too big and enough to please a woman in bed?
 
Zambrodom3;599924 said:
And you DLD, do you find this size like the perfect spot between too big and enough to please a woman in bed?

I think it is the perfect size for a man to shoot for. I went beyond but I am celibate and this is my job so going bigger just made sense for me.
 
dmoney101;600119 said:
Grew that much and you're celibate? Whyyyy? lol

I am a Minister and I chose to give myself to God...hard for some to understand but for me it is the only way, at least for now. If the good Lord sees fit to introduce a woman into my life I would not push her away but so far celibacy has been the proper road for me.
 
doublelongdaddy;600182 said:
I am a Minister and I chose to give myself to God...hard for some to understand but for me it is the only way, at least for now. If the good Lord sees fit to introduce a woman into my life I would not push her away but so far celibacy has been the proper road for me.

I believe GOD has given us a chance to do everything and it is only up to us whether we get it or not. You were blessed with your masculine figure, I believe this is the chance you have been given. I think when GOD has given you everything you need to get a girl, then the only one who can help you is yourself... :)
 
Zambrodom3;600339 said:
I believe GOD has given us a chance to do everything and it is only up to us whether we get it or not. You were blessed with your masculine figure, I believe this is the chance you have been given. I think when GOD has given you everything you need to get a girl, then the only one who can help you is yourself... :)

My Mother constantly tells me God helps those who help themselves and I completely agree. God has given me many talents and the biggest sin of all is when I do not use them. It becomes hard for me to use them when I am going through a depression but when things brighten up I always pick up where I left off. As far as women go, I love women but I am not actively looking for a girl. To find a woman that would be compatible with me would be hard but if she is out there and it is in God's will I would be very happy to have her. I would definitely need someone who could understand all of my idiosyncrasies but she may be out there. I do get extremely lonely and having a mate would be a big help but I do not want someone who could not understand my ways.
 
I've been celibate for mad long close to a decade, no problem. I used to be crazy self-conscious because of my circ, which was forced on me when I was very young, highly sinful and wildly inappropriate thing to a child that should not have to succumb to other peoples beliefs. It was horrifying, but I learned to overcome my anger through various outlets. I'm in my 20's now and my main concern now is to land a good entry-level job, and then after a year or two pursue a college degree, and THEN I will start dating.
 
k18;600425 said:
I've been celibate for mad long close to a decade, no problem. I used to be crazy self-conscious because of my circ, which was forced on me when I was very young, highly sinful and wildly inappropriate thing to a child that should not have to succumb to other peoples beliefs. It was horrifying, but I learned to overcome my anger through various outlets. I'm in my 20's now and my main concern now is to land a good entry-level job, and then after a year or two pursue a college degree, and THEN I will start dating.

I think that is smart. Getting to know and even more important love yourself is so valuable to a relationship. If we enter a relationship with crazy issues it will only harm the other person. Getting your life in order and dealing with personal issues will always bring a much healthier relationship. There are many things I have learned in my celibacy that would certainly benefit me if I ever got with someone again. In my past I was just looking for a way to avoid myself and the things I needed to fix and this is not fair to my mate.
 
k18;600425 said:
I've been celibate for mad long close to a decade, no problem. I used to be crazy self-conscious because of my circ, which was forced on me when I was very young, highly sinful and wildly inappropriate thing to a child that should not have to succumb to other peoples beliefs. It was horrifying, but I learned to overcome my anger through various outlets. I'm in my 20's now and my main concern now is to land a good entry-level job, and then after a year or two pursue a college degree, and THEN I will start dating.

10 years...DAMN!! do it all as quick as you can!!! i regret not doing things sooner. now as quick as you can could take 10 years. i just mean always working towards goals. that way you're never thinking I should have gotten that done already
 
doublelongdaddy;600440 said:
I think that is smart. Getting to know and even more important love yourself is so valuable to a relationship. If we enter a relationship with crazy issues it will only harm the other person. Getting your life in order and dealing with personal issues will always bring a much healthier relationship. There are many things I have learned in my celibacy that would certainly benefit me if I ever got with someone again. In my past I was just looking for a way to avoid myself and the things I needed to fix and this is not fair to my mate.


Yes, I agree!!
 
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