10.5 inches Bone Pressed Erect...Diet is very important to NBP

[DLD]

I was doing so well on my diet and I was able to get a very nice 10.5 NBP measurement a couple months ago. I since have slacked off exercise and diet and have put a few "BAD" pounds on which left my BP measurement the same but I have to subtract .25-.5" off the NBP Diet is so important to Penis Enlargement...Without me even gaining any real length I looked much longer because I lost some fat pad. Now that the fat pad is creapin' back it really defeats the Penis Enlargement purpose. I am going to get back to the diet and exercise because the visual inches look so much better than the BP inches.

 

[BeBobBox]

yess those visual inches are waaay better

 

[badbal]

Try to stick with it DLD, not only is diet good for the Fat Pad but for your well being and happiness. I too have a hard time with sticking on a diet, it seems every 1-2 months I get massive sugar cravings which seemingly cannot be stopped. Sugar is EVIL!! rofl
I found a product that claims to help burn stubborn fat pockets on the body (Fat Pad) lookup Yohimburn on google, lots of info (not to sure if its legit, will have to try it and see).

 

[DLD]

yess those visual inches are waaay better

Tell me about it. Looking down on myself I feel so much smaller even though my BPenis Enlargement length has not changed. I have also been attacking girth like mental too so maybe a thicker penis is adding to the illusion. Anyway, diet should be part of everyones Penis Enlargement workout. Some guys can gain an inch or 2 just by losing weight. I personally know you can lose as much as an inch in visual length just by not dieting and exercise.

 

[hope2bhuge]

thats some good advice about the diet thing, i was gonna ask, does eating lots of protiens help, like eggs, meat etc.

And does smoking effect the penus in any way, shape or form.
thanks

 

[Cybershot]

I believe it has been shown that smoking causes more erectile issues than anything else. Which would eventually cause some shrinkage. Kick the habit, your body will thank you

 

[somnus]

DLD, 3 minutes of abslide everyday with a nice shake after your workout, in 2 months, you'll have a complete six pack, guarantee. Jump rope before doing abslide.

 

[somnus]

Diet is very important period. lol

 

[DLD]

DLD, 3 minutes of abslide everyday with a nice shake after your workout, in 2 months, you'll have a complete six pack, guarantee. Jump rope before doing abslide.

What is that, abslide?

 

[TheExecutioner]

What is that, abslide?

Its a fitness device for working your abdominals, all it is a slider that you slide along the floor and bring it in again. Waste of money if you ask me, 3 minutes of Ab crunches or Situps (when done properly) will do the same effect if not more. A shake after your workout ensures sufficent protein to your muscles so they can re build themselves.
Please note, if you have excess fat on your stomace or fat pad, crunches will not remove the fat layer, only build up your abdominals. To lose the fat layer do cardiovascualr exercise, if your going to spend money on any device out there get a Heart rate monitor, and get yourself fit by trying to reduce your hearts BPM, this is the key to fitness, and the best way to train yourself to get fit.
And avoud Nasty Saturated fats, And dont Eat fat itself such as that nice crispy bacon, pork chop or steak fat, cut it off!!
And Also Drink pleanty of water and if you smoke pack it in.

 

[somnus]

30 bucks. Dont flame it till you've used it. Crunches for me equals a waste of time. If you use the abslide properly you'll hit your abs, obliques, chest and arms. I went from a pot belly to a six pack. When I first used it I couldnt even stretch out and do ten, now I can do more then 50 full stretches without a problem. Crunches are boring and hurts my back, and obliques take longer to come in. You can do a ton of crunches and still be weak in the abdominal area. Go to Sports Athority and buy a cheap ass wheel with handles and no resistance, let me know how far you can stretch and how many reps you can do. If you can do more than 50 of those a day and not fatigue, then crunches are doing good for you. For every 50 full stretches with the abslide, I can do over 100 something crunches.

 

[somnus]

Forgot, cardiovascular is Abslide. You burn while you gain.
Hey I posted on your link, suicide whats your view.

 

[TheExecutioner]

30 bucks. Dont flame it till you've used it. Crunches for me equals a waste of time. If you use the abslide properly you'll hit your abs, obliques, chest and arms. I went from a pot belly to a six pack. When I first used it I couldnt even stretch out and do ten, now I can do more then 50 full stretches without a problem. Crunches are boring and hurts my back, and obliques take longer to come in. You can do a ton of crunches and still be weak in the abdominal area. Go to Sports Athority and buy a cheap ass wheel with handles and no resistance, let me know how far you can stretch and how many reps you can do. If you can do more than 50 of those a day and not fatigue, then crunches are doing good for you. For every 50 full stretches with the abslide, I can do over 100 something crunches.

Nice example of a sucker for marketing.
If your back hurts then your not doing it correctly, your back should not be involved in the lifting, you use your abs to lift yourself up, if your back hurts your not working your abs.

"You can do a ton of crunches and still be weak in the abdominal area" - you got anything to back this up with? sounds like nonsense.

 

[somnus]

This sucker got a six pack.

 

[penguinsfan]

DLD, try HITT cardio, as talked about in the exercise/nutrition forum. If you absolutely hate intense cardio, get a pedometer and walk 10,000 steps per day.

 

[MrEd]

Forget spending 30 bucks or whatever it is on an Abslide. Borrow you nephews Tonka truck, it does the same thing.

 

[badbal]

Wouldn't working on your lower abs and making them bigger reduce the size of your cock? Or would it make it protrude more? Just a thought I have been pondering.

 

[DLD]

Wouldn't working on your lower abs and making them bigger reduce the size of your cock? Or would it make it protrude more? Just a thought I have been pondering.

The less fat the better. Mandingo has such low body fat in his groin that the base flares out like a tree stump.

If I keep drinkingthese sodas and eating Popeye Chicken I am going to end up measuring less than 10" NBP by the time I go home. I need to get this shit in check but working like I am right now leaves little time for diet and exercise. The Coke's keep me going on these 20 hour days. I already plan on stepping up my diet and exercise the minute I get home.

 

[badbal]

Dont get me wrong, abs are sweet and will only add to the total package. The nice V line down to your cock has got to be a major turn on for chicks. I was just curious if you added alot of ab muscle in the lower abs would that overshadow your cock or would it help to protrude it?

 

[bigbutnottoo]

Dont get me wrong, abs are sweet and will only add to the total package. The nice V line down to your cock has got to be a major turn on for chicks. I was just curious if you added alot of ab muscle in the lower abs would that overshadow your cock or would it help to protrude it?

Maybe if you are on massive amounts of roids. But normally I dont think a normal individual has the genetic potential to make huge lower abs that would be that big and 100% muscle.

 

[TheExecutioner]

This sucker got a six pack.

Heh so have i, and guess what... i didnt spend a penny

 

[penguinsfan]

If I keep drinkingthese sodas and eating Popeye Chicken I am going to end up measuring less than 10" NBP by the time I go home.

Diet soda, right DLD? Come on, man, don't disappoint me.

 

[DLD]

Diet soda, right DLD? Come on, man, don't disappoint me.

I wish I could say that but regular Coke has been my fuel these past weeks.

 

[jakb]

Actually diet soda is worse for losing weight than regular soda. Neither of them is good for you. The chemicals in diet drinks(aspartame) help you actually gain weight. Water retention, leaves you feeling hungry because your body was tricked into releasing insulin which you then need to eat to counterbalance that insulin effect. Your blood sugars raise and lower uncontrollably which helps contribute to weight gain. Plus the negative effect it has on your neurological system is staggering.

 

[bigbutnottoo]

Actually diet soda is worse for losing weight than regular soda. Neither of them is good for you. The chemicals in diet drinks(aspartame) help you actually gain weight. Water retention, leaves you feeling hungry because your body was tricked into releasing insulin which you then need to eat to counterbalance that insulin effect. Your blood sugars raise and lower uncontrollably which helps contribute to weight gain. Plus the negative effect it has on your neurological system is staggering.

Lack of sleep actually has the same effect as well.

As far as diet soda, sodas like Diet Rite are made with Splenda so they shouldnt have that effect... Plus all sodas destroy your teeth. Clear soft drinks like Sprite as well as that fake tea crap like Brisk are the worst and Root Beer is the best.

 

[pupper]

Dld, What diet are you on?

 

[Texan]

Maybe try Atkins. I started it last Monday (this Tues- 9 days later) and I have lost 5 1/2 pounds. My wife has lost 8 1/2 in the same time. The theory is cut out the carbs and your body starts burning stored fat for energy. Seems to work.

 

[Jen]

dld just got his 4th soda today

xoxo sexyjen

 

[jakb]

Tell him to drink the C2 at least if he is going to drink that much.

 

[GhosT_DoGG]

Old thread but i thought it could be bumped.

You can make your own ab-slide very easy. If you have weights, that you can put a pole thru, then take a pole and stick it through the hole. It shouldn't be to thight. And then you slide on.

I bought an ab-slide for $8.50 But havent used it much yet, but now im gonna. Away with the fatpad!

 

[WantToBeThick]

I'm also fighting the damn fat pad. I've got a decent length but too much is buried. Working on it though

 

[joeym]

Want, 7.5BPenis EnlargementL is great. Congrats on reaching your goal. What is you NBP? I'm wondering how far you have to go to your next goal of 7"NBPenis EnlargementL.

 

[derringer57]

Dude V-ups, 90s, russian twists, chinese situps, and controlled side crunches. This will hit every part of the abdominals. Twice a week with a good diet and you will get 6-pack in no time.

ONLY WAY TO EVEN GET CLOSE TO A 6-PACK IS DIET Working out isnt as major as that.

Ephedrine HCL, 1-month supply is like 6$ from bodybuilding.com. It uses beta-3 receptors to burn fat meaning most parts of the body.

The thighs, abs, hips, and butt have way more beta-2 receptors so yohimbe/yohimbine/yohimburn (all the same shit) works best that way too. Do 5mg a day stacked with ephedrine HCL (not banned version, but still effective) 1 month on 1 month off. Lose lots of weight.

Cortisol, Xenadrin all that shit just skip it and go to what works. Ephedrine and yohimbe.

 

[DLD]

Dude V-ups, 90s, russian twists, chinese situps, and controlled side crunches. This will hit every part of the abdominals. Twice a week with a good diet and you will get 6-pack in no time.

ONLY WAY TO EVEN GET CLOSE TO A 6-PACK IS DIET Working out isnt as major as that.

Ephedrine HCL, 1-month supply is like 6$ from bodybuilding.com. It uses beta-3 receptors to burn fat meaning most parts of the body.

The thighs, abs, hips, and butt have way more beta-2 receptors so yohimbe/yohimbine/yohimburn (all the same shit) works best that way too. Do 5mg a day stacked with ephedrine HCL (not banned version, but still effective) 1 month on 1 month off. Lose lots of weight.

Cortisol, Xenadrin all that shit just skip it and go to what works. Ephedrine and yohimbe.

Are you serious? It is this easy?

 

[WantToBeThick]

Want, 7.5BPenis EnlargementL is great. Congrats on reaching your goal. What is you NBP? I'm wondering how far you have to go to your next goal of 7"NBPenis EnlargementL.

Thanks. Unfortunately, my nbp is 6.25". So the 7" goal is twofold. Lose weight and gain a little more length.

 

[quijjiboo]

Dude V-ups, 90s, russian twists, chinese situps, and controlled side crunches. This will hit every part of the abdominals. Twice a week with a good diet and you will get 6-pack in no time.

ONLY WAY TO EVEN GET CLOSE TO A 6-PACK IS DIET Working out isnt as major as that.

Ephedrine HCL, 1-month supply is like 6$ from bodybuilding.com. It uses beta-3 receptors to burn fat meaning most parts of the body.

The thighs, abs, hips, and butt have way more beta-2 receptors so yohimbe/yohimbine/yohimburn (all the same shit) works best that way too. Do 5mg a day stacked with ephedrine HCL (not banned version, but still effective) 1 month on 1 month off. Lose lots of weight.

Cortisol, Xenadrin all that shit just skip it and go to what works. Ephedrine and yohimbe.

What kind of dosing would you recommend for using Ephedrine??

 

[WNT2MORE]

DLD
this is a very long story,but i will try to give you the "readers digest condensed version"

i was about your age when i started puttin' on weight,and i coundnt figure out why because i wasnt doing anything,any different than i always had.this went on for a few years until i hit the scales at 240lbs.all my life i drank coffee & smoked cigarettes all day,ate 1 time,when i got home,& drank at least a 2liter bottle of soda each night.the only other factor was i was in a marriage that i was long ready to get out of.i was still climbing,but it was kickin my ass.i thought the weight was there for good,that i was fucked.
i was finaly able to get out of my marriage,and "bang" i blew my bicept out(detached it)
after my operation i started taking a multi vitamin to help my arm recuperate.after a few weeks,i noticed i had started losing weight.then some things i had read in the past started "clicking".....when i went all day without eating my brain was tellin my body that i was starving to death,so when i did eat my body was storing all the fat it could.what that means is when i started taking the vitamins my brain stopped tellin my body i was starving,and i stopped storing as much fat.then i took it a step further by drinking only diet soda,eliminating as much fat from my diet as possible,(mayonase was my biggie,i loved that shit,but its like eatin pure fat)thats all i did,besides work out a little every other day(climbing is a workout in itself)...nothing special still ate good,etc.
just got rid of the real "shit" food.i started this in mid july and by the end of october i was back down to 180lbs,and i felt fuckin great!
the diet that worked for "me" in a nutshell:
#1 EACH MORNING GIVE YOUR BODY THE VITAMINS IT NEEDS
#2 SWITCH TO DIET SODA,WATER IF POSSIBLE.REGULAR SODA IS AT LEAST "100 DEAD CALORIES Penis EnlargementR GLASS,WHICH ENDS UP ON YOUR ASS"
#3 LIMIT YOUR FAT INTAKE,BE FAT CONCISOUS....HAVE 1 "CHEAT DAY" Penis EnlargementR WEEK("POPenis EnlargementYES HERE I COME"!)
#4 TRY TO GET SOME FORM OF EXERCISE AT LEAST EVERY OTHER DAY...THEY SAY WALKING IS GOOD(THOUGH I THINK IT SUCKS )
BOTTOM LINE,MY OPINION FOR WHAT ITS WORTH:
I THINK YOU ARE EXPenis EnlargementRIENCING A METABOLISM CHANGE(I THINK THESE COME FOR EVERY BODY EVERY 10-15 YEARS) AND YOU JUST NEED TO ADJUST TO IT.
EVERYBODY IS DIFFERENT,SO WHAT WORKS FOR ONE Penis EnlargementRSON WONT WORK FOR ANOTHER.BUT THE MORE INFORMATION YOU HAVE THE BETTER THE CHANCE OF YOU FINDING WHAT WORKS FOR YOU....KINDA LIKE "Penis Enlargement" HUH?
well that my 2 cents worth,hope you can find some help from it.
i am prob gonna catch hell for what i say next but it is just my opinion
if i were you i would try to avoid any of the ephedrine products,even if legal.the shit is hard on your heart.....before anybody gives me shit about sayin that,that is my "OPINION",i grew up in the 1970S & took alot of shit that already has "taxed" my heart.
1 other thing about ephedra products that i and many guys i know have experienced "flacid hang" shrinkage! only temporary,but scarey,i'll go to the zoo if i want to see a turtle head pop in an out

 

[derringer57]

e you serious? It is this easy?

It isnt easy. But it helps a TON.

Do cardio in the morning BEFORE you eat, and eat most of your daily carbohydrates in the morning so you have energy throughout the day and you dont take them later, so they store as fat when you sleep.

Take most of your daily proteins towards bed time. They will help with muscle repair while you sleep, plus they wont turn to fat like carbos.

Try 6 small meals a day instead of 4 big ones. This will keep your metabolism working 24/7 and you wont have to metabolize a huge meal 3 times a day.

What kind of dosing would you recommend for using Ephedrine??

Ephedrine is generally in an ECA stack (ephedrine, caffeine, aspirin). Ephedrine does the weight loss, caffeine helps, and aspirin lengthens the duration of the caffeine's effects. Aspirin is not really necessary, nor is the caffeine, especially since caffeine is a vasoconstrictor (constricts veins a little) and some forms of aspirin can have a negative effect on stomach lining (typically generic, look for brands that say easy on stomach).

Good dosing would be 20 mg of ephedrine + 200 mg of caffeine + 5 mg of yohimbine per dose
(take 2 or 3 doses per day evenly spread out (8am, 12pm, 4pm, etc. (every 3 to 4 hours) --studies have shown it to acheive more fatloss than even prescription fatloss drugs like phentermine, dexfluramine, phenfen, etc.

I would personally skip the aspirin altogether, and if you are focusing on girth in Penis Enlargement, skip the caffeine.

Ephedrine/yohimbine should not be done without cardio. Keep in mind ephedrine can accelerate your heart so if you have high blood pressure or a bad heart, dont use it. If your heart is normal it will not hurt you. You will just be hyper with faster heartbeat for first week.

Also try to take ephedrine/yohimbine 20-30 minutes AFTER cardio. Do not take it right before. Why speed up your heart with dietary supps then go speed it up more doing cardio.

Be smart and you will do just fine.

Check out my friend who I know IRL @ http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...file&groupID=100001383&Mytoken=20040721174318

That is his myspace.com group for weight lifting and weight loss. He is kinda into himself but he is a cool guy.

1 other thing about ephedra products that i and many guys i know have experienced "flacid hang" shrinkage! only temporary,but scarey,i'll go to the zoo if i want to see a turtle head pop in an out

This is true because caffeine is in most of the brand versions online already in it (forms of guanine etc). Pretty much cut the caffeine and cycle 1 month on 1 month off with ephedrine.

On a side note. Yohimbine(yohimbe) is one of the main ingredients in penis pills. All of em pretty much have it.

 

[nystrongstroke2]

I know diet is important to pe,i just can't help myself though.I dropped in weight this summer to about 185 lbs thats from 200 lbs.I noticed though that even at 200 lbs i didnt really notice a diffrence in the way my dick looked as long as i was exercising it

 

[thefranchise]

Jesus christ guys, lets get real here. Weight loss and gain is fairly simple on paper. If you want to lose weight, then you want to have your daily caloric intake be less than what you need to have. Im fairly against caffine, ephederine, yohimbe etc. For some reason the idea of the body being forced stimulated just doesnt sound healthy for me. There's also evidence that heavy caffine leads to ED (Limp dick). Therefore I dont fuck with it much. But if you need it to stay up so be it. Id say hit up some tea instead or something to drop the ammount of sugars you are intaking. Or if you do want to keep on drinking coke just do a moderate to intense cardio session once a day. Really it's up to you the lower the intensity the longer duration of time needed to burn off calories. The higher the intensity the lower the time needed. Really its all mathematical. You could eat ice cream all day long just so long as you burn off more calories than you take in. If I were you id try and check shit that you normally eat to get an estimate of how many calories you take in a day. Then once you get a number cut out maybe 200-400 calories and do some moderate to intense cardio everyday for 15-30 min, and you should see the fat rolling off in no time. You can also pick up some Flax seed oil or fish oil. They are "good" fats, that actually help cut up the unwanted fat. They work pretty well, and are good for the blood flow. If you have any questions just ask ill be more than glad to answer

 

[electrojelq]

I read talk about soda so here's my link or I'll just copy it,

Water vs. Coke
Water

1. 75% of Americans are chronically dehydrated. (Likely applies to half world population)

2. In 37% of Americans, the thirst mechanism is so weak that it is often mistaken for hunger.

3. Even MILD dehydration will slow down one's metabolism as much as 3%.

4. One glass of water will shut down midnight hunger pangs for almost 100% of the dieters studied in a U-Washington study.

5. Lack of water, the #1 trigger of daytime fatigue.

6. Preliminary research indicates that 8-10 glasses of water a day could significantly ease back and joint pain for up to 80% of sufferers.

7. A mere 2% drop in body water can trigger fuzzy short-term memory, trouble with basic math, and difficulty focusing on the computer screen or on a printed page.

8. Drinking 5 glasses of water daily decreases the risk of colon cancer by 45%, plus it can slash the risk of breast cancer by 79%, and one is 50% less likely to develop baldder cancer
Are you drinking the amount of water you should every day?


COKE

1. In many states (in the USA) the highway patrol carries two gallons of Coke in the truck to remove blood from the highway after a car accident.

2. You can put a T-bone steak in a bowl of coke and it will be gone in two days

3. To clean a toilet: Pour a can of Coca-Cola into the toilet bowl and let the "real thing" sit for one hour, then flush clean. The citric acid in Coke removes stains from vitreous china.

4. To remove rust spots from chrome car bumpers: Rub the bumper with a rumpled-up piece of Reynolds Wrap aluminum foil dipped in Coca-Cola.

5. To clean corrosion from car battery terminals: Pour a can of Coca-Cola over the terminals to bubble away the corrosion.

6. To loosen a rusted bolt: Applying a cloth soaked in Coca-Cola to the rusted bolt for several minutes.

7. To bake a moist ham: Empty a can of Coca-Cola into the baking pan, wrap the ham in aluminum foil, and bake. Thirty minutes before the ham is finished, remove the foil, allowing the drippings to ix with the Coke for asumptuous brown gravy.

8. To remove grease from clothes: Empty a can of coke into a load of reasy clothes, add detergent, and run through a regular cycle. The Coca-Cola will help loosen grease stains. It will also clean road haze from your windshield.
For Your Info


1. The active ingredient in Coke is phosphoric acid. Its pH is 2.8. It will dissolve a nail in about 4 days. Phosphoric acid also leaches calcium from bones and is a major contributor to the rising increase in osteoporosis.

2. To carry Coca-Cola syrup (the concentrate) the commercial truck must use the Hazardous material place cards reserved for Highly corrosive materials.

3. The distributors of coke have been using it to clean the engines of their trucks for about 20 years! Now the question is, would you like a glass of water or coke?




Also if one were to do a search of calcium and weight loss a link like this may come up, http://www.annecollins.com/weight-control/calcium-weight-loss.htm

I take live brazil coral which is a new product recently, http://www.brazillivecoral.com/

 

[derringer57]

Now the question is, would you like a glass of water or coke?

Neither. Dr Pepper biotch.

My bones are thick as fuck. I landed 180lbs all the pressure on my wrist while snowboarding. Heard a pop that is it. The only thing they saw on x-ray was my growth plates still open.

I drink tons of milk a day to counteract any calcium loss. 80% of those glasses are chocolate milk so I get added calcium.

Coke doesnt stay on your teeth for 4 days like it does nails/etc to dissolve them.

Anyways, DP for life!

 

[electrojelq]

Neither. Dr Pepper biotch.

My bones are thick as fuck. I landed 180lbs all the pressure on my wrist while snowboarding. Heard a pop that is it. The only thing they saw on x-ray was my growth plates still open.

I drink tons of milk a day to counteract any calcium loss. 80% of those glasses are chocolate milk so I get added calcium.

Coke doesnt stay on your teeth for 4 days like it does nails/etc to dissolve them.

Anyways, DP for life!

Well according to this link it mentions all soda's so the only alternative would be something like natural/organic soda's, but watch out for the sugar because sugar depletes the body of minerals.- And now for the properties of COKE/Penis EnlargementPSI:
* This represents all Sodas, not just COKE! (All Carbonated Soda's) http://www.threadsofgod.com/water_coke.html

It's kind of sad, the name doctor pepper is like the man (Samuel Thomson)who helped, estimated in millions of people, in the 1800's with hot peppers, yet this kind of name gets put on a beverage whose literature reads as unhealthy. It's like someone is playing with your mind.

re: Milk- a milk link, http://www.notmilk.com/

 

[electrojelq]

sephin, I have been searching for the natural ingredients of Dr. Pepper, you know like for ie Ginger Ale originally had ginger in it, but didn't find anything. Blue Sky natural soda has their own called Dr. Becker but it doesn't have any spices in it. A story about it was found though, http://www.snopes.com/business/secret/drpepper.asp

Have you ever made your own soda? I tried once before. If I remember correctly it's a bottle of extract, sugar, water, and a packet of yeast.
To make a natural Pepper soda recipe will be fun.

-red bell pepper juice
-red hot pepper juice
-licorice
-molasses
-prune juice
-cinnamon
-black pepper
-cherry juice

Cool thanks. Add something to the list if you want sephin.

 

[C-Guy]

MAn I wouldn't recommend the ephedra (even the supposedly safe one) to anybody ever. I live in a small town and two of my friends took it. One a girl took it for about a year and got very ill. Two open heart surgeries later she still isn't able to work. The other friend a man wasn't as lucky as she was. He now lives in a hole in the ground 6 feet deep. Neither of them had any signs of heart problems or heart trouble.

 

[penguinsfan]

MAn I wouldn't recommend the ephedra (even the supposedly safe one) to anybody ever. I live in a small town and two of my friends took it. One a girl took it for about a year and got very ill. Two open heart surgeries later she still isn't able to work. The other friend a man wasn't as lucky as she was. He now lives in a hole in the ground 6 feet deep. Neither of them had any signs of heart problems or heart trouble.

That's awful. However, I can't think that they took a recommended, sensible does of the stuff. I work with a guy that I saw take eight Trim Spa pills at once, when the recommended dosage is one pill, threes time per day. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I haven't heard of any ephedra problems that were not caused, at least in part, to overdosage.

 

[GhosT_DoGG]

I got sick of ephedra, felt ill and that kinda sheit.
But amphetamine that is much better, dont use it to often doe. But it is better. Or pure ephedrine is also much better.