The So Called "Wisdom" of Urologists, Food For Thought

doublelongdaddy;626397 said:

I remember having a debate with 2 PE surgeons on XFM back n 2005. They took the stance that PE was not possible and I guess they thought that they were dealing with someone who did not know what he was talking about, like I was some uneducated freak. I totally destroyed both of them. Their only defense was PE does not work. When I went on to ask them why they believed this they had no experience to back it up, they only wanted to promote their butchery. When I brought up the horror stories surrounding PE surgery they were mute. I finally asked them what the procedure involved from start to finish and what kind of gains they could give and the answer was ludicrous. They said that the surgery for length was cutting the suspensory ligaments to lengthen the penis but there would be no gains after the surgery, the gains, they said, came from either an extender or hanging device used after the penis healed. The hypocrisy was so evident and they truly painted themselves into a corner.

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DLD it would be great if you post a thread about the argument so all of us can know all the reasons for penis enlargement . IF any of the MoS members visit a urologist they will know how to shut them up with valid reasons. My goal here is not humiliate them or undermine them of their knowledge but to help them look at the other side of the story too. The BIGGEST AND BEST REASON they have is that it is a scam according to them and i also agree scams sites are also a big reason for disbelief in doctors. For us PE is a constantly learning process with new methods , bumps , lumps, symptoms, remedies etc being discovered everyday as creative minds are involved . But urologists learning process is only for 4-5 years and then it is practice what has been preached and nothing else.
And DLD why dont you become a urologist ??? You can change the view of the entire field or industry FOR SURE as u already have alot of knowlegde from before and dont have to study much.....lol
Im sure if i start a poll regarding this ,not one single person will disagree

pogzee;626530 said:

DLD it would be great if you post a thread about the argument so all of us can know all the reasons for penis enlargement . IF any of the MoS members visit a urologist they will know how to shut them up with valid reasons. My goal here is not humiliate them or undermine them of their knowledge but to help them look at the other side of the story too. The BIGGEST AND BEST REASON they have is that it is a scam according to them and i also agree scams sites are also a big reason for disbelief in doctors. For us PE is a constantly learning process with new methods , bumps , lumps, symptoms, remedies etc being discovered everyday as creative minds are involved . But urologists learning process is only for 4-5 years and then it is practice what has been preached and nothing else.
And DLD why dont you become a urologist ??? You can change the view of the entire field or industry FOR SURE as u already have alot of knowlegde from before and dont have to study much.....lol
Im sure if i start a poll regarding this ,not one single person will disagree

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There is not too much science to explain with PE, the penis was created to grow larger so it is only natural that we can effect the natural growth to be more. The penis has no bones, it is purely made from tissue, stretchable, malleable, growable tissue. If you stretch you penis with enough intensity it will grow, period. Nothing is holding this back. If you fill your penis with blood and manipulate that expansion with squeezes and jelqs it will grow thicker. When a doctor says it is not possible to enlarge the penis one could simply ask him why it is possible to stretch the ears. There is not much difference in stretching the lobes of the ear and stretching the penis. A doctor is as educated as what he has learned and his own personal experience. If he has never tried to enlarge his penis he has no right to say if it works or not, it is purely conjecture. With doctors if it is not in a book they will not advise on it. With a quick internet search and finding places like MOS it is impossible to deny what we do works. My own doctor has watched me grow from 6.5" x 4.75" to 10.75 x 6.75" and I told him how I did it and he was able to add this to his experience. I am not sure if he suggests this to other patience but I hope he does, he has seen it work for himself.

I would love to become a doctor but it would take a long time. I dropped out of school in the 8th grade and have no other formal education. I would need to get a high school diploma and then spend years in college. With the site taking up most of my time I would have to take night courses and this would end up taking up to 10-12 years to complete. I have educated myself through college text books, taking lectures at Princeton, Harvard, Yale and many other prominent schools and I do feel as though I could take the exam today and pass. Unfortunately things do not work that way, school, time and money are what getting an education is about and I really don't have any of those luxuries.

pogzee;626530 said:

DLD it would be great if you post a thread about the argument so all of us can know all the reasons for penis enlargement . IF any of the MoS members visit a urologist they will know how to shut them up with valid reasons. My goal here is not humiliate them or undermine them of their knowledge but to help them look at the other side of the story too. The BIGGEST AND BEST REASON they have is that it is a scam according to them and i also agree scams sites are also a big reason for disbelief in doctors. For us PE is a constantly learning process with new methods , bumps , lumps, symptoms, remedies etc being discovered everyday as creative minds are involved . But urologists learning process is only for 4-5 years and then it is practice what has been preached and nothing else.
And DLD why dont you become a urologist ??? You can change the view of the entire field or industry FOR SURE as u already have alot of knowlegde from before and dont have to study much.....lol
Im sure if i start a poll regarding this ,not one single person will disagree

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Growing this website and having more individuals view it and practice PE will do more to spread this knowledge than any individual doctor could. A doctor can only see so many patients a day, but this site could in theory be viewed by anyone and everyone around the world at the same time.

boohoohoo;626662 said:

Growing this website and having more individuals view it and practice PE will do more to spread this knowledge than any individual doctor could. A doctor can only see so many patients a day, but this site could in theory be viewed by anyone and everyone around the world at the same time.

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We get millions of visitors every month so the word is getting out.

I feel I am worthy of at least a PHD by now with all the knowledge and real world experience I have.

doublelongdaddy;626616 said:

I would love to become a doctor but it would take a long time. I dropped out of school in the 8th grade and have no other formal education. I would need to get a high school diploma and then spend years in college. With the site taking up most of my time I would have to take night courses and this would end up taking up to 10-12 years to complete. I have educated myself through college text books, taking lectures at Princeton, Harvard, Yale and many other prominent schools and I do feel as though I could take the exam today and pass. Unfortunately things do not work that way, school, time and money are what getting an education is about and I really don't have any of those luxuries.

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Well im sure MoS is and will always be number one priority for you and in terms of profession. And personally for me its the best place not only for PE but also to get the fastest gains too !
And after having very less education and still you put your heart and soul into something that others never ever believed in......and still continued educating yourself somehow and still help others everyday in reaching their goals in life.
Got one word for you DLD............RESPECT

boohoohoo;626662 said:

Growing this website and having more individuals view it and practice PE will do more to spread this knowledge than any individual doctor could. A doctor can only see so many patients a day, but this site could in theory be viewed by anyone and everyone around the world at the same time.

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well there would be one less reason for urologists to disagree with PE as a certified urologists can not anly prove it in words but factually also.
And offcourse i didnt mean he would get a desk job and see patients but officially in the world of science open up a field that is disregarded by doctors. He could be a doctor only for penis enlargement specifically operating from this site only if he wants to . And everyone around the world would still be vieweing this site but the faith and count would increase also.
Wouldnt it sound cool to say DR. DLD ?? hahahhahahha

pogzee;626746 said:

Well im sure MoS is and will always be number one priority for you and in terms of profession. And personally for me its the best place not only for PE but also to get the fastest gains too !
And after having very less education and still you put your heart and soul into something that others never ever believed in......and still continued educating yourself somehow and still help others everyday in reaching their goals in life.
Got one word for you DLD............RESPECT

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Thanks my Brother! I think my lack of formal education has actually benefitted me because I have never been inundated with a one way education. I have always believed in the metaphysical world which is not recognized in formal education. This has helped me reach for things that others, who are educated, would not. I am dedicated to the Brotherhood and my personal education is perfect for what I do here. I am very into Math and Physics and with the internet I have been able to educate myself by the worlds greatest professors instead of the public schooling I would have had to endure. It would be great to have a doctorate in urology for what I do for a living but that would take too much time from the Brotherhood.

Surely if you can learn physics and maths in your spare time, you could do a part time, online, study at your own pace type of course? I wouldn't be the most well respected degree, I suppose, but it'd be one nonetheless.

Shenlong;626874 said:

Surely if you can learn physics and maths in your spare time, you could do a part time, online, study at your own pace type of course? I wouldn't be the most well respected degree, I suppose, but it'd be one nonetheless.

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You make a valid point, I guess if it took me ten years to make this happen it would be worth the time spent...the time will pass either way. I will look into online courses and see what my options are. I am a very quick learner. Before I was doing PE I was writing college papers for people to make extra money and no matter what subject it was I never scored less than an A. I guess it might be time to do it for myself. Thanks for the advice.

For the most part I believe getting an education is just so one can get a higher paying job. I mean an individual can always enjoy their education, but at the end of the day money and sex are the only things that really matter.

I believe DLD has already found something he enjoys doing and is very good at, so why spend 10 years trying to get a formal education. What would that possibly lead to?

Well we want DLD's name to be apart of history for changing the entire industry who didnt believe in something that he did. With that degree he can shut every doctors mouth who disgrees with PE anytime.
The disagreement of doctors will turn into a DOUBT which i guess will automatically make an improvement in the thought process of people.
Also he will be having a big cock and will be rich........lol and there will be more help for those who need it
Final choice is his where his happiness is

I would be one radical doctor, I'll tell you that much!

pogzee;627111 said:

Well we want DLD's name to be apart of history for changing the entire industry who didnt believe in something that he did. With that degree he can shut every doctors mouth who disgrees with PE anytime.
The disagreement of doctors will turn into a DOUBT which i guess will automatically make an improvement in the thought process of people.
Also he will be having a big cock and will be rich........lol and there will be more help for those who need it
Final choice is his where his happiness is

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I don't think one doctor's theories (in this case DLD if he was to become a urologist) would change the opinion of every doctor everywhere. The same books will be printed and the same ideas will be passed on to new doctors.

Change is a gradual process and requires the effort of a large group of people. I think one day PE will come to be accepted universally, but it will take time.

No, one doctor's theories won't change everyone's mind over night. They may not even directly change anyone's mind but as pogzee says, just knowing that a trained professional supports our art will make people think. Probably not everyone but if even one other urologist's rigid beliefs are shaken enough to give it a try, PE will have grabbed a foothold into the industry and who knows just how greatly it could snowball from there.

Given that this would be study on the side as a hobby, not going out of his way to attend lectures and seminars at some expensive school, I don't see it having any potential for negative impact on DLD's work. After all, if he can't spare the time, he should be able to put it on hold at any point.

Shenlong;627251 said:

No, one doctor's theories won't change everyone's mind over night. They may not even directly change anyone's mind but as pogzee says, just knowing that a trained professional supports our art will make people think. Probably not everyone but if even one other urologist's rigid beliefs are shaken enough to give it a try, PE will have grabbed a foothold into the industry and who knows just how greatly it could snowball from there.

Given that this would be study on the side as a hobby, not going out of his way to attend lectures and seminars at some expensive school, I don't see it having any potential for negative impact on DLD's work. After all, if he can't spare the time, he should be able to put it on hold at any point.

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I can see what you're saying, and to be honest I believe urologists stand to benefit greatly if PE is better known and more widely practiced. If they accept PE then they can get more patients and give their advice on PE.

However, the fact that this hasn't happened yet proves just how rigidly they are against the idea, which is why I doubt one person's views could change things very much.

If I were a doctor I would advocate big time on natural PE. I would be a huge support for what we do and offer it to doctors as the best way to increase size. Since size is really not a medical condition there is little information on it in that respect. If I were a urologist I would write books on its effectiveness and hopefully over time get more doctors on board.

stillwantmore said:

So, I have been exchanging emails with a potential customer recently. I'm sure DLD can relate to this. Basically, this guy is trying to convince himself despite what his urologist has been saying, that PE can in fact be possible. His urologist has been trying to tell him that the penis cannot be made longer and thicker without surgery. My counter argument/logic to the contrary has been that a human LEG, or ARM which is much more dense with more complicated tissues (skeletal muscle, tendons, more veins and arteries, more ligaments, etc) and much larger in size than a penis, CAN be stretched permanently larger through traction cage devices. Shouldn't that make you second guess what this urologist is trying to tell you? There's no logic when you consider the urologist's argument from that perspective.

"Shame on a nigga who try to run game on a nigga".

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Many of those Urologists are like that. They always try to talk a newbie out of PE. I believe most of them know that PE is possible now but they are speaking against it. That's because, PE will reduce the numbers of people that come to them for penis surgery.

huge-girth said:

Many of those Urologists are like that. They always try to talk a newbie out of PE. I believe most of them know that PE is possible now but they are speaking against it. That's because, PE will reduce the numbers of people that come to them for penis surgery.

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The neurologist no damn well that p e works. The reason I know this is when you're finished with the surgery. They send you home with an extendera hanger or some other p e device. If the surgery worked as they promised , they would not need to send the equipment and then would not need to go to them to get a larger penis. Skip all that b******* and just take up the matters of size programs to enlarge the penis.

DLD said:

The neurologist no damn well that p e works. The reason I know this is when you're finished with the surgery. They send you home with an extendera hanger or some other p e device. If the surgery worked as they promised , they would not need to send the equipment and then would not need to go to them to get a larger penis. Skip all that b******* and just take up the matters of size programs to enlarge the penis.

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"Penis Enlargement Surgeries" destroy the penis.


Lengthmastering make it bigger, and make it work better.

huge-girth said:

Many of those Urologists are like that. They always try to talk a newbie out of PE. I believe most of them know that PE is possible now but they are speaking against it. That's because, PE will reduce the numbers of people that come to them for penis surgery.

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All doctors are programed to think the same way. In order to become a doctor, they have to study hard, do as they're told, and never rock the boat... for like ten years! By the time they have completed school and get their license, they have essentially become AI programs. Every medical decision they make is based on "if/then" statements. "IF the patient presents with X, THEN we implement protocol Y." They are not trained to view the body as a WHOLE. They take a reductionist approach, specializing in one particular part of the body. It won't be long before they refer you to another specialist to examine another part of your body which costs you more time and money as a patient. This system is put in place to maximise profit; it is first and foremost a business, personalized care is a thing of the past. You are just a number.

I suspect that in the future, most of these doctors will be replaced by AI. Seriously, why do we need most of them? They sit in their offices and parrot the same shit all day, ordering tests, etc. Why couldn't an AI system do that, since the majority of their medical decisions are based on "if/then" statements? The only exception would be surgeons - those guys actually have useful skills.

I really hate it when people view doctors as all-knowing Messiahs. Most of these guys are arrogant f'n pricks who only specialise in one particular thing. They don't know everything guys. Stop worshipping the ground they walk on. If they were so fucking good, why is it that they (with the exception of antibiotics), haven't found a cure to a f'n thing since the '60's? Big Pharma is not interested in cures, only treatments to (once again) maximise profit.

Anyway, sorry for the rant. This website alone is testament to the fact that doctors do not know it all - just look at all the brothers who have proved them wrong over the years. Who needs more proof than that?