The So Called "Wisdom" of Urologists, Food For Thought

So, I have been exchanging emails with a potential customer recently. I'm sure DLD can relate to this. Basically, this guy is trying to convince himself despite what his urologist has been saying, that PE can in fact be possible. His urologist has been trying to tell him that the penis cannot be made longer and thicker without surgery. My counter argument/logic to the contrary has been that a human LEG, or ARM which is much more dense with more complicated tissues (skeletal muscle, tendons, more veins and arteries, more ligaments, etc) and much larger in size than a penis, CAN be stretched permanently larger through traction cage devices. Shouldn't that make you second guess what this urologist is trying to tell you? There's no logic when you consider the urologist's argument from that perspective.

"Shame on a nigga who try to run game on a nigga".

True in this case that this is the sort of prof. smugness that hinders to look above one's horizon, but I think it's also not very wise to resort to political campaigning strategies that seek to discredit all urologist knowledge as non-sense (like this thread is seeming to do by implying that this special urologist doesn't know shit about the penis, which doesn't follow from the fact that he's ignorant about a phenomenon that isn't subject of any urologist curriculum>from this it just follows that he isn't very open-minded and intellectually fexible). Said it before in the other thread from Pogzee and will say it again: this type of ingroup/outgroup-biased views help no-one and each collective (that of PErs, that of Urologists and that of men suffering from a small penis) would profit much more if they worked together, creating a synergistic effect.

Such a shame! I believe that those people are not only misinformed and UNEDUCATED (which means that they should NOT be urologists as they do not know "THE TRUTH"), but they are also greedy. Some of them might actually know that PE works, but just want the customer's money, they want to make money, that's why they say that surgery is the only way. The world is full of idiots and bad people! !

Same happened to me when i went to a urologists and tried to make him only consider penis enlargement as a possibility but he only felt his profession was threatened by that statement. Certain doctors are only concerned about what they have learnt during their education period and are made to believe that there is no other solutions other than the ones they are taught about.
there would be more prominent and faster ways to gain if many urologists start thinking towards enlargement as they have the best understanding of the anatomy.

Zambrodom3;626188 said:

Such a shame! I believe that those people are not only misinformed and UNEDUCATED (which means that they should NOT be urologists as they do not know "THE TRUTH"), but they are also greedy. Some of them might actually know that PE works, but just want the customer's money, they want to make money, that's why they say that surgery is the only way. The world is full of idiots and bad people! !

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Like I said above, I wouldn't consider him uneducated without knowing what he's capable of in his professional occupation, that would be just as narrow-minded as his claims about natural PE are. Urologists do know their stuff (unless they're just bad in their profession which is always a possibility just as in any other), but that stuff doesn't include PE. And to make the cognitive transfer of their knowledge into the field of PE, is a task that needs an open mind and a good will, which a lot of people don't have. I just wanted to point out that the solution can't be sought in a condemnation of the alleged idiocy and ignorance of "all those urologists", if you know what I mean. But that seems to be the tone that is set in some posts here on the board and it's not very helpful either, imo because it paints a picture of urology that's just as bizarrely deformed as that which a lot of urologists paint of PE.

Satyr;626194 said:

Like I said above, I wouldn't consider him uneducated without knowing what he's capable of in his professional occupation, that would be just as narrow-minded as his claims about natural PE are. Urologists do know their stuff (unless they're just bad in their profession which is always a possibility just as in any other), but that stuff doesn't include PE. And to make the cognitive transfer of their knowledge into the field of PE, is a task that needs an open mind and a good will, which a lot of people don't have. I just wanted to point out that the solution can't be sought in a condemnation of the alleged idiocy and ignorance of "all those urologists", if you know what I mean. But that seems to be the tone that is set in some posts here on the board and it's not very helpful either, imo because it paints a picture of urology that's just as bizarrely deformed as that which a lot of urologists paint of PE.

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They might be educated, but I guess they are not educated enough. A friend of mine went to an urologist and the doc didn't even know what kegels were...

The world revolves around money. Same way a doctor would sew a stomach in half to stop a fat person from eating, they would give you penis surgery instead of telling you better natural methods

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acromegaly;626205 said:

The world revolves around money. Same way a doctor would sew a stomach in half to stop a fat person from eating, they would give you penis surgery instead of telling you better natural methods

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jjeramia;626208 said:

End of the urologists argument
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Brilliant posts!

The urologist was just making claims based on what his/her training had taught them. The real issue, and the only way this will ever be solved, is through academia, not the already established medical world.

In order for the view on PE to be changed in the medical world the new doctors that are being trained currently need to be taught differently, and that will only occur once academics start conducting their own studies into the efficacy of PE. Once they do this and find out the results, that is when we will begin to see a change.

acromegaly;626205 said:

The world revolves around money. Same way a doctor would sew a stomach in half to stop a fat person from eating, they would give you penis surgery instead of telling you better natural methods

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I dont think doctors are into PE...

boohoohoo;626244 said:

The urologist was just making claims based on what his/her training had taught them. The real issue, and the only way this will ever be solved, is through academia, not the already established medical world.

In order for the view on PE to be changed in the medical world the new doctors that are being trained currently need to be taught differently, and that will only occur once academics start conducting their own studies into the efficacy of PE. Once they do this and find out the results, that is when we will begin to see a change.

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Yeah once they start to see that PE works they will accept it but money makers will come out of nowhere and mess things up haha

shortdick;626305 said:

Yeah once they start to see that PE works they will accept it but money makers will come out of nowhere and mess things up haha

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Who knows, PE could go mainstream and that could make things go a lot better. I mean the more minds that are experimenting on it and learning about it the more likely we are to make advancements.

mmm the average penis size worldwide would be 8+ inches hahaha

Hey why dont one of you if interested become a urologist and find out the truth because the truth lies behind those books and classes they are taught in. That can be the ONLY reason separating our thoughts. Right now if you ask a student who wants to be a urologist will pay full attention to your advice and try to reason and think from your side too but once he has got his degree after spending years of studying a course and all the knowledge regarding male anatomy that a layman doesnt get ,, he will definitely not give a second thought about PE also.
Be the first and change the worst !

I remember having a debate with 2 PE surgeons on XFM back n 2005. They took the stance that PE was not possible and I guess they thought that they were dealing with someone who did not know what he was talking about, like I was some uneducated freak. I totally destroyed both of them. Their only defense was PE does not work. When I went on to ask them why they believed this they had no experience to back it up, they only wanted to promote their butchery. When I brought up the horror stories surrounding PE surgery they were mute. I finally asked them what the procedure involved from start to finish and what kind of gains they could give and the answer was ludicrous. They said that the surgery for length was cutting the suspensory ligaments to lengthen the penis but there would be no gains after the surgery, the gains, they said, came from either an extender or hanging device used after the penis healed. The hypocrisy was so evident and they truly painted themselves into a corner.

doublelongdaddy;626397 said:

I remember having a debate with 2 PE surgeons on XFM back n 2005. They took the stance that PE was not possible and I guess they thought that they were dealing with someone who did not know what he was talking about, like I was some uneducated freak. I totally destroyed both of them. Their only defense was PE does not work. When I went on to ask them why they believed this they had no experience to back it up, they only wanted to promote their butchery. When I brought up the horror stories surrounding PE surgery they were mute. I finally asked them what the procedure involved from start to finish and what kind of gains they could give and the answer was ludicrous. They said that the surgery for length was cutting the suspensory ligaments to lengthen the penis but there would be no gains after the surgery, the gains, they said, came from either an extender or hanging device used after the penis healed. The hypocrisy was so evident and they truly painted themselves into a corner.

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Well they have to find a way to promote their business, so I can see why they would say all that. Many people stand to lose from the universal acceptance of PE, but many people also stand to gain.

boohoohoo;626417 said:

Well they have to find a way to promote their business, so I can see why they would say all that. Many people stand to lose from the universal acceptance of PE, but many people also stand to gain.

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It just made me sick to hear them say that PE does not work but then turn around and send their patients home with PE tools, totally hypocritical.

pogzee;626334 said:

Hey why dont one of you if interested become a urologist and find out the truth because the truth lies behind those books and classes they are taught in. That can be the ONLY reason separating our thoughts. Right now if you ask a student who wants to be a urologist will pay full attention to your advice and try to reason and think from your side too but once he has got his degree after spending years of studying a course and all the knowledge regarding male anatomy that a layman doesnt get ,, he will definitely not give a second thought about PE also.
Be the first and change the worst !

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I think pogzee's comment here could have some merit to it. If a man that already practices PE decides to go and become a Urologist this could have a huge impact on society. At that point not only would the man be preaching PE, but the general public would be more receptive to his comments because he is a licensed urologist.

That would be exactly what I was talking about when I spoke of a synergistic effect. Because uneducated and smug or even knowing and simultaneously hypocritical as a lot of them may be in terms of natural PE, their medical knowledge won't be matched by any PEr, while it still is an indispensable resource of knowledge with respect to the achievement of any advanced PE technique and theory (otherwise there wasn't so much info to find on boards like this one concerning the "Tunica", the "Cs", the "CC" etc.). You can say what you want but a layman that learns a lot of that medical and urological stuff by himself will still not be as profoundly educated as someone who studied that systematically for years. There's enough proof here and on other PE forums that this isn't the case. For example, I asked some questions about specific physiological mechanisms which simply couldn't be answered on a scientific basis (if they could be answered at all, that is), but answers to such questions would lead one further in the process of understanding, which in turn would help to accelerate the development of new techniques.

So, there's much more sense in trying to involve people with the specific med. and urol. expertise than using the same weapons as they do by oneself by saying: "these assholes are all the same, they're uneducated, ignorant and hypocritical" (Nota bene: I'm not referring to anyone's comment above here specifcally since you primarily mentioned particular situations and particular doctors but the ground-tone that is set by posts like that seems to suggest a general damnation of all "those idiotic doctors").

Just figure the possibility of a very concrete situation like this one: how would you think would a medical student or even a doctor, that enters the board here and tries to educate himself about PE, feel, what kind of impression would he have of the atmosphere and the whole ideological standpoint of natural PE and its followers if he read such derogatory comments about his (present or future) profession? If he wouldn't be a very tolerant and open-minded guy himself, he maybe would turn his back on PE right away, scared away by an attitude similar to that which many of his colleagues show.