The Bump

bbs,

>This helps alot in understanding the anatmony and the correlating LOT. Could you or Hook post a link to the original thread the drawings were in ?<

It is at �other forum� in the hangers section somewhere. Perhaps Cap knows the thread.

Mr. 9,

Hello back at you.

Bigger

Bib said:

bbs,


It is at �other forum� in the hangers section somewhere. Perhaps Cap knows the thread.

Bigger

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Well Cap if you're out there and you read this, or anybody I'd be interested in seeing the original thread and a link would be appreciated. Thanks.

BBS-
I had downloaded those drawings a long time ago. I have no idea which thread they come from. Maybe a keyword search will find it. Or, if there is a way to do a search of Bib's uploads - that might pinpoint it.

@bib,

i do not know how to copy attachment into posts, so i have to ask you something here in this threat, which i want actually ask you in a different threat.


Please have a look at your lig and tunica attachment on the first page in this threat.
Is the black line -which obviously symbolizes the skin- the skins exit point in your "manuel palpation test"?You have to measure from this point down to the pubic bone?


I copied this post from a different threat:

Bib said:

>Is it also possible to palpate too far, which means that i go with my fingers too far inside and miss the end because im going further than the pubic bone?<

Yes, you can palpate down to the prostate gland, just in front of the anus.

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Can you please show me in your graphic where the point is ,when im palpating too far.

When i look at your graphic, it seems that when i do the palpation tets, i palpate with my fingers all the shaft which has a brown colour in your graphic.
Which means that maybe im too far and im getting a wrong measurement.
When i look at your graphic and have your words in my ear that it is possible to measure too far, i guess you have to stop at the pubic bone which is yellow in your graphic,or?
But on the other side i really dont understand how you can measure too far in this test.You need very long fingers to go through the pubic bone and touch your ass.
When i do the test, my fingertip ends close or inside my scrotum.I really can not go more farer because it hurts then and i think it is impossible to reach your ass this way.

Dex,

>Is the black line -which obviously symbolizes the skin- the skins exit point in your "manuel palpation test"?You have to measure from this point down to the pubic bone?<

That is correct.

>Can you please show me in your graphic where the point is ,when im palpating too far.<

Done.

>When i look at your graphic, it seems that when i do the palpation tets, i palpate with my fingers all the shaft which has a brown colour in your graphic.
Which means that maybe im too far and im getting a wrong measurement.
When i look at your graphic and have your words in my ear that it is possible to measure too far, i guess you have to stop at the pubic bone which is yellow in your graphic,or?<

Yes. That is what I mean by finding the bottom of the pubic bone, and measuring from there, to the skin exit point.

>But on the other side i really dont understand how you can measure too far in this test.You need very long fingers to go through the pubic bone and touch your ass.
When i do the test, my fingertip ends close or inside my scrotum.I really can not go more farer because it hurts then and i think it is impossible to reach your ass this way.<

I have no idea what you are doing. You feel from outside the body.

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Dex's drawing

Thank you for the drawing bib.
The graphic helps to understand the theory behind this.When i look at the drawing i understand when you have measured to far.

But in practice i think i still have problems to find the end of my pubic bone.
Do you have more tips or hints for me to get sure that i have found the end of my pubic bone and im not palpating to far?Perhaps another graphic or something like that.

I do not understand what you mean by "the bottom of their pubic bone is either inside, or even below the scrotum". I looked up i an anatomy atlas and i couldnt find that the pubic bone ends inside the scrotum.
Or do you mean with that expression, that the skin of the scrotum comes out of the "normal" skin/bodies skin roughly at the end of the bubic bone?


In my opinion the end of the pubic bone is close to the anus so it is very easy to go too far.Do you think the same or do you think that this assumption is wrong?I estimate that in my case,i hope i found the right end of my pubic bone,the end of the pubic bone is 2.8 inches away from my anus.

I want something to add.You always said that you have to palpate the distance from the exit point to the bottom of the pupic bone from outside!!
I know this!!!!Because of my bad english you always assumed that im palpating through the pubic bone.Perhaps i described it in way which let you thought im doing this,but i never meant this.Im sorry.

I will try it again:
I always meant that i try to follow my shaft down to the pubic bone.Because you have to push your finger trough loose skin, it seems that you are measuring inside the pubic bone.This is obviously not the case because your finger is always outside,it only seems that the finger is inside the body.Hope you know what i mean.
When i say the finger is inside i mean, that i follow the arch of the pubic bone to its sides and than palpate from the sides down to the end of the pubic bone until i can not feel the bone anymore.This is "my" end of the pubic bone where i can not touch the bone anymore.And you were right.I can do this better in a sitting position.
When i said "inside" i always thought of the idea that the pubic bone is like a cave/cavern. The arch of the pubic bone symbolizes the entrance of the cave.You have to do from the sides beacuse the penis sits in the middle of the arch/pubic bone and the nerves runs on top inside the pubic bone,so you can not palpate inside.
From the sides of the arch you palpate down and you try to figure out how deep the cave or the pubic bone is.When the bone ends, that is the end of the pubic bone and the cave.From here you have to measure to the exit point of the skin.
Im inside the pubic bone right now.I say inside because it seems to be inside because the finger is covered by skin and it seems that the finger is inside the body.But this is not the case because when you stretch the skin, the finger is not covered by the skin anymore,the finger lays free outside the body.Hope you know what i mean.

I hope to explain you it better in one sentence.When i meant inside i meant under the arch.The finger is always outside it only seems that the finger is inside the pubic bone.The finger is covered by skin or better the tip of the finger is covered by skin.
Hope this is the same end of the pubic bone you tried to explain me.Im pretty sure that i found the right one.Hope i can explain it in way to you that you will understand it.

Dex,

>But in practice i think i still have problems to find the end of my pubic bone.
Do you have more tips or hints for me to get sure that i have found the end of my pubic bone and im not palpating to far?Perhaps another graphic or something like that.<

I already provided the graphic. I know of nothing else I can do to make you understand.

>I do not understand what you mean by "the bottom of their pubic bone is either inside, or even below the scrotum". I looked up i an anatomy atlas and i couldnt find that the pubic bone ends inside the scrotum.<

Well, please provide a link to what you were looking at, and I will evaluate. Below are several graphics of various anatomy configurations.

>Or do you mean with that expression, that the skin of the scrotum comes out of the "normal" skin/bodies skin roughly at the end of the bubic bone?<

I do not know what that means.

>In my opinion the end of the pubic bone is close to the anus so it is very easy to go too far.Do you think the same or do you think that this assumption is wrong?<

The pubic bone is the only truly hard structure in the area. Even the tendons attached from the pelvis to the legs in the area are much softer. You should be able to easily tell the difference between bone and softer tissues.

>I estimate that in my case,i hope i found the right end of my pubic bone,the end of the pubic bone is 2.8 inches away from my anus.<

That could be about right.

Anatomy examples:

Bib said:

Dex,
>I do not understand what you mean by "the bottom of their pubic bone is either inside, or even below the scrotum". I looked up i an anatomy atlas and i couldnt find that the pubic bone ends inside the scrotum.<

Well, please provide a link to what you were looking at, and I will evaluate. Below are several graphics of various anatomy configurations.

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For example when you look at all three graphics you gave me.
The pubic bone sits above the penis and is not below the scrotum or inside the scrotum.The scrotum is far away from the pubic bone.

The main point that i do not understand is the point that the pubic bone is drawn like an egg or an plate.Hope you know what i mean.
But the bone i found, is not a plate or an egg.It is like an arch.In the middle of the arch sits my penis.Then i go to the sides i push my finger into the arch following the shaft inside the body.The bone i found is also close to the legs.

dex,

>The pubic bone sits above the penis and is not below the scrotum or inside the scrotum.The scrotum is far away from the pubic bone.<

I have no idea what you are seeing, or understanding. As shown in the drawings, it is very possible for the pubic bone to be above the scrotum, and for you to have to feel inside, past the scrotum to palpate the bottom of the pubic bone.

>The main point that i do not understand is the point that the pubic bone is drawn like an egg or an plate.Hope you know what i mean.<

The diagrams are a cross section of the midline of the body. The PB is wide. The drawings show the midline of the bone from the side.

>But the bone i found, is not a plate or an egg.It is like an arch.In the middle of the arch sits my penis.Then i go to the sides i push my finger into the arch following the shaft inside the body.<

Yes, there are actually two bones which come together to form what is called the pubic bone. It is somewhat of a dish.

>The bone i found is also close to the legs.<

Yes. Tendons and ligaments from the legs attach to the pubic bone.

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Thank you bib,
your last posting helps me to understand the issue a little bit better.
I will try to expalin you again what im doing.
I stretch my penis straight out and follow the shaft to the skins attachment point.I find a nerve or a tendon now,which runs from my shaft to the top of my pubic bone.It seems that this nerve/tendon goes directly into the top of my pubic bone.
Now im on the top of my pubic bone .I'm palpating form my top pubic bone. Then I'm moving straight down with my finger,pushing the penis a little bit to the side to get sure that I'm still on the bone.Then I can not go straight down anymore because the bone curves down.Now my finger is in this arch or cave.It seems that the bone splits up.Im not folowing the bone to the sides.Then I'm going in this cave still palpating and feeling my shaft until I find another bone,don't know if this is still the bubic bone.I can not go behind this bone,because behind this point I can not longer follow the shaft because the shaft disappears then.It becomes thinner and goes under the skin.With skin I mean here inside the body, I can not feel the shaft any longer.This point is round about 1.5-2.1 inches away from my asshole.
I can not describe it better what I'm doing.Hope you get an idea and can help me better then.

dex,

It sounds like you found the bottom of the pubic bone.

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Hope you are right that i found the right bottom of the pubic bone.
I hope im not palpating too far,perhaps to the prostata gland.
Is it possible to locate the prostata gland by palpation?
If yes, can you tell me how to do it?

I also want to ask you which skins exit point do you mean.There is one in top of the penis, one on the left side, one of the right side and one on the underside.
I guess you mean the exit point, where the top nerves/tendons come out of the pubic bone and go to the top shaft,or?
Is this right?

dex,

>Is it possible to locate the prostata gland by palpation?<

Yes.

>If yes, can you tell me how to do it?<

It is just in front of the anus.

>I also want to ask you which skins exit point do you mean.There is one in top of the penis, one on the left side, one of the right side and one on the underside.
I guess you mean the exit point, where the top nerves/tendons come out of the pubic bone and go to the top shaft,or?
Is this right?<

Pick any you wish. How about the middle?

Bigger

Bib said:

Pick any you wish. How about the middle?
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So do you mean the side of the penis?
Why not from the top?

dex,

Fuck man, with this test you are dealing with absolutes! It is the bottom of the pubic bone, an absolute, to the skin exit point, another absolute! Choose whichever point of the skin exit point you want!

Now, enough of this.

Bigger

Bib, in the past you always told us that you had an high exit point before you started. You attribute this to your good gains from lig stretch, is this right.

I want to know again, what do you mean with a high exit point.Is this the distance between the exit point and the end of the pubic bone?So a big distance - may be 3 inches - means a high exit point then?

Or do you mean the location of the ligaments to the pubic bone? Im mean the following point: The top ligament runs from an attachment point on the shaft to an attachment point on the pubic symphysis. This is the point i mean here.
If the top ligaments are attached high on the pubic bone, may be on the very top of the pubic symphysis,does this mean you have an high exit point?
Is the point (ligament attachment to the pubic symphysis) a variabel for predicting gains, same like lot test and manuel palpation test?

dex,

>Bib, in the past you always told us that you had an high exit point before you started. You attribute this to your good gains from lig stretch, is this right.<

Yes.

>I want to know again, what do you mean with a high exit point.Is this the distance between the exit point and the end of the pubic bone?<

The distance between the bottom of the pubic bone, and the skin exit point.

>So a big distance - may be 3 inches - means a high exit point then?<

Yes, as opposed to a low exit point, where the shaft exits at or under the bottom of the pubic bone.

>Or do you mean the location of the ligaments to the pubic bone?<

No.

>Im mean the following point: The top ligament runs from an attachment point on the shaft to an attachment point on the pubic symphysis. This is the point i mean here.
If the top ligaments are attached high on the pubic bone, may be on the very top of the pubic symphysis,does this mean you have an high exit point?<

No.

>Is the point (ligament attachment to the pubic symphysis) a variabel for predicting gains, same like lot test and manuel palpation test?<

No, not for predicting gains. All the variables must be included to conclude anything: Lig/pubic bone attachment point, lig/shaft attachment point, lig length.

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