The Bump

I had an email the other day that reminded me of something. I do not believe I have ever written anything about this, but it is interesting. Perhaps it is obvious, and a waste of space, but some guys may not realize this.

This topic shows it is really important for guys to know about their own anatomy. Exactly how they are put together, and how the stresses react in their own bodies.

A fellow wrote me about hanging BTC, and swinging the weights. He felt a pop, or bump, each time the weight would swing back and forth, and was worried about it. I experimented a little, to try and feel or see what he was writing about. Soon, a lot of memories of hanging came flooding back.

If you are have a high LOT, then you have a significant S curve in the path of your shaft, inner to outer. The shaft curves under the pubic bone, and then up along the face of the pubic bone, held by the ligs, and then exits the body out and/or down.

If you have a very low LOT, then you may hang straight down from the front of the pubic bone, without any curve.

If you are have a high LOT, and are hanging BTC, you should notice the following: The ligs are actually holding part of the shaft up, so that while hanging BTC, the shaft goes up to a point, at the fascia attachment to the ligs, and then goes back down on the inner side of the ligs. The outer shaft is directly impacting the ligs. The inner shaft, or rather the point from the ligs inward, is loose. The outer shaft, and the ligs, are taking all the stress. This is of course, obviously the reason for hanging BTC, to put all of the stress on the ligs.

What this fellow was feeling, while swinging the weights back and forth, was the outer shaft, from the ligs outward, passing over and bumping the inner shaft, from the ligs inward. This was obvious proof of his S curved path of his shaft, and the stress being placed on the ligs.

Then, I remembered my time hanging BTC. I used to swing the weights from time to time, bounce a little, and do crunches to get more and different stresses. I also remember conciously managing the side of the inner shaft I placed the outer shaft while hanging. Depending on the side, right or left, I could get a totally different stretch on the ligs. Kind of like UTL hanging, only to a lesser degree.

The point of the thread is this: Try to find where and how your inner shaft passes the outer shaft while hanging BTC normally, and then move the outer shaft over to the other side. The inner shaft (the bump) should hold the outer shaft in whatever position you put it in. For instance, while hanging BTC, my outer shaft would normally fall on the right side of my inner shaft. From time to time, I would reach around my left leg, grab the hanger or shaft, and pull to the left. I would feel the outer shaft pop over the inner shaft. Then, I would simply let go, and everything would stay. The stretch would be completely different.

Just another way to divide and conquer.

I would be interested to hear the experiences of other BTC hangers.

Bigger

Interesting bigger but if you don't have the length I don't think one can feel what you are feeling. All I could feel was the hanger. I do understand what you are saying though.

I've been hanging BTC and after finishing my set I would stand and swing the weights in a circular motion between my legs for 30 rotations (sort of a modified "helicopter"). I never experienced the feeling you discribed. Then again perhaps I'm read the artical wrong.

Maal

sponge and Maal,

Thanks for the feedback.

>I've been hanging BTC and after finishing my set I would stand and swing the weights in a circular motion between my legs for 30 rotations (sort of a modified "helicopter"). I never experienced the feeling you discribed. Then again perhaps I'm read the artical wrong.<

Standing would probably not allow the two shafts, inner and outer to meet. It would almost have to be while in the BTC position, and swinging the weights.

Bigger

Great article Bigger. As always, it's a pleasure to hear you think.

A question: I get a pronounced "S-curve" in my shaft when I hold a BTC stretch and palpate this anatomy. I'm kind of surprised by it because I figured that after much lig work and with a LOT of 8:00 I would feel far less of an abrupt angle where my ligs connect to my shaft.

I have nothing to compare it to so I'm wondering what someone with very long ligs feels. Would it be much less severe of an S-curve in the shaft?

I'm also wondering if this type of discovery bodes well for potential lig gains. For me, and maybe for guys in general.

Cap,

Great to hear from you too.

>A question: I get a pronounced "S-curve" in my shaft when I hold a BTC stretch and palpate this anatomy. I'm kind of surprised by it because I figured that after much lig work and with a LOT of 8:00 I would feel far less of an abrupt angle where my ligs connect to my shaft.<

8:00 is still fairly high. It means you still have the closer in lig bundles affecting the shaft, especially the fund ligs. The shaft is still traveling up the pubic bone a bit before exiting the skin.

>I have nothing to compare it to so I'm wondering what someone with very long ligs feels. Would it be much less severe of an S-curve in the shaft?<

As one who started with the shaft traveling up the entire outer surface of the pubic bone, I can tell you about all of the stages of lig stretch and how it feels. Now, my shaft exits from the very bottom of the pubic bone. The shaft comes from the PC, straight under the pubic bone, and exits the skin. That's it. A straight shot. No curve of any kind.

That gives me a 6:00 LOT.

>I'm also wondering if this type of discovery bodes well for potential lig gains. For me, and maybe for guys in general.<

This is along the lines of what I have written about in the past with palpating the distance between the bottom of the pubic bone, and the exit point of the shaft from the skin. Any guy can pull straight out, palpate and find the bottom of the pubic bone with his middle finger, and then put his thumb on the top of the shaft where it exits the skin. The distance from the tip of the middle finger to the thumb would be about how much he could gain from lig stretch, without consideration of inner shaft stretch (could be positive), and without consideration of fat pad (negative).

Good stuff,

Bigger

Thanks for the great response Bigger.

I have never seen you write of this S-Curve, and I have not heard anyone else describe it. I don't want to jump the gun here, so correct me if I'm off track, but couldn't it work toward verifying an individual's LOT if a correlation between LOT and severity of S-Curve could somehow be made?

There are a few, albeit vocal, detractors of LOT Theory who argue that among other things, matters such as the strength/weakness of the PC could too easily provide a false assessment of lig length.

My thought is that if a correlation between LOT and the angle of this S-Curve can be made, the initial assessment of the LOT exercise could therefore be considered valid - beyond any incidental physiological interference/force.




This all may be self evident, or it may be way the hell off, but I've never seen it mentioned - and I'll admit there may be anatomical structures/placement at work that I am unaware of that might automatically refute this line of thought.

Cap,

>I have never seen you write of this S-Curve, and I have not heard anyone else describe it. I don't want to jump the gun here, so correct me if I'm off track, but couldn't it work toward verifying an individual's LOT if a correlation between LOT and severity of S-Curve could somehow be made?<

I think in the threads at �other forum�, where I write about it, that was the crux of the matter. I am sure I connected it to LOT. Either you did not read it, or missed it or something. I have written about the path of the shaft a couple times here. But I do not know if I used the term S curve.

At any rate, there is some correlation between the severity of the S curve, and a guy's LOT. But it is not absolute. IOW, if a guy has an LOT of 6:00, he will have little if any S curve. Probably none. If a guy has an LOT of 12:00, he will probably have a big significant S curve. Between those two points, will there be any big correlation between a guys LOT and the size of his curve, and therefore the amount of inner penis that can be unleashed from lig stretch? Beats me. Perhaps somewhat, but it is fairly easy to just measure the distance from the bottom of the pubic bone, to the exit point, to see what is what. Also, fairly easy to do the LOT, once you understand it. I think both measure can help a guy, especially help him understand his anatomy. That is half the battle in Penis Enlargement.

>There are a few, albeit vocal, detractors of LOT Theory who argue that among other things, matters such as the strength/weakness of the PC could too easily provide a false assessment of lig length.<

Well, that is why you post a theory, so that guys can test it, attack it, try to replicate it, etc. Only when it crosses from the scientific, to the personal, is that kind of attack bad. IOW, is there really a problem with the theory, or are they just jealous?

At any rate, if a guy can feel the flex of his PC, it is probably strong enough to do the test. For the vast majority of guys, if they can flex even a bit, it will be sufficient to identify the angle at which their ligs begin to take the stress of a stretch. This ain't brain surgery.

>My thought is that if a correlation between LOT and the angle of this S-Curve can be made, the initial assessment of the LOT exercise could therefore be considered valid - beyond any incidental physiological interference/force.<

I do not think there will be any problem establishing a correlation between the LOT and amount of S curve. That is kind of the thing. They do and should go together. That is one of the stated reasons for the test: To give an indication of the possible amount of gains from lig stretch.

Modesto has been doing some work with the LOT at �other forum�. We have been writing back and forth by email. He might be interested.

>This all may be self evident, or it may be way the hell off, but I've never seen it mentioned - and I'll admit there may be anatomical structures/placement at work that I am unaware of that might automatically refute this line of thought.<

I don't know what you mean here.

Bigger

Bib said:

I have written about the path of the shaft a couple times here. But I do not know if I used the term S curve.

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I don't think you have. But it's a great way to describe, and therefore help a guy visualize this stuff. IMO.

Well, that is why you post a theory, so that guys can test it, attack it, try to replicate it, etc. Only when it crosses from the scientific, to the personal, is that kind of attack bad. IOW, is there really a problem with the theory, or are they just jealous?

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When the cat's away the mice will play.

>I'll admit there may be anatomical structures/placement at work that I am unaware of that might automatically refute this line of thought.<

I don't know what you mean here.

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Just me being redundant - again. But my point about "anatomical structures/placement at work" was motivated by something you responded with earlier:

Bib said:

8:00 is still fairly high. It means you still have the closer in lig bundles affecting the shaft, especially the fund ligs.

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I am aware of the fundiform ligaments, but this term "closer in lig bundles" is one I'm unfamiliar with and how they would affect the path of the shaft.



Thanks Bigger
-Cap

Cap,

>I am aware of the fundiform ligaments, but this term "closer in lig bundles" is one I'm unfamiliar with and how they would affect the path of the shaft.<

This is something I have been working on with modesto. The ligs and how they attach the shaft to the pubic bone, and how things go when the shaft is pulled away from the pubic bone.

I am sure this varies somewhat between guys, but normally, I think there are a good bit more ligs involved in attaching the shaft to the body than most guys realize. Going from a very high LOT, to a very low LOT, I have a unique opportunity to be able to palpate that entire area, and feel a lot of stuff that is now exposed.

And what I feel is that the outer ligs are hell for long. They travel a good bit down my shaft. But then, I can feel various bundles in the triangle formed between the shaft and pubic bone. If I grasp the entire area between thumb and forefinger, it is like plucking a bunch of guitar strings all at once as I pull away.

Then the shaft seems to be well anchored where the shaft travels under the pubic bone.

At least for me, there are not two sets of well defined ligament bundles. There is a lot of collagenous material there, that has been stretched and otherwise deformed. What I suppose I have always known, but realize fully now, is that stretching the ligs, especially in the BTC position, is the ultimate in hitting one group of limiting factors at a time. I am sure some of the fibers completely seperate, but as the process of stretching occurs, at that severe angle, it is a bit like peeling the shaft off of the pubic bone, as each group or bundle of fibers stretch in their turn. The closer in fibers are still well attached, not affected, as the outer fibers are being severely deformed.

Anyhoo, sorry for the ramble. Hard to put into words what I feel and the pictures I form in my mind.

Bigger

Cap,

One other thing. If you can find the crude drawings I made of the differences between a high and low LOT guy, the S curve should be there. I do not remember where it is on �other forum�, but if you run across it, and can copy it, I would appreciate you posting it here.

Thanks,

Bigger

Your entire post is great food for thought Bigger. Very revealing. I have a few more questions but will digest this info first. Great stuff.

In the meantime, here are your drawings.

Thanks again
-Cap

Cap,

Many, many thanks for finding that and posting it here.

Bigger

Bib, you mentioned that your LOT is 6:00, does this mean that when you hand BTC that you could feel tension in your inner tunica, while someone like myself does not since I have a LOT of 8:30, my ligs are still tight and therefore no tension can be transmitted to the inner tunica while hanging BTC?

Does this make any sense? I am asking this because if the answer is yes then this could be another way to track the progress of your LOT as it moves, as well as maybe verifying my LOT.

-Poke

poke,

>Bib, you mentioned that your LOT is 6:00, does this mean that when you hand BTC that you could feel tension in your inner tunica, while someone like myself does not since I have a LOT of 8:30, my ligs are still tight and therefore no tension can be transmitted to the inner tunica while hanging BTC?<

You have got it! Even at 6:00, my ligs still obviously take some of the stress from a BTC hang, or did the last time I hung BTC. There is only so much even a BTC angle can stretch the ligs. You can never totally get the ligs out of the way.

But I could feel much more tunica stretch, further, as my LOT went down. I could even kegal in the BTC position, and get a reaction.

>Does this make any sense? I am asking this because if the answer is yes then this could be another way to track the progress of your LOT as it moves, as well as maybe verifying my LOT.<

You are correct.

Bigger

GREAT! I know FOR SURE now that I have some lig gains coming my way.

Do you remember how long it took for you (and I know it won't neccassarily be the same for me since we are all different) to stretch the ligs before switching to the tunica? If so, do you remember how much gains you got in the first lig stretch session before going to tunica and then back to ligs again?

poke,

>Do you remember how long it took for you (and I know it won't neccassarily be the same for me since we are all different) to stretch the ligs before switching to the tunica? If so, do you remember how much gains you got in the first lig stretch session before going to tunica and then back to ligs again?<

No. Anything I wrote would be a wild ass guess. I know I gained over two inches fairly quickly, like within the first eight months. I think that was almost all from lig stretch. After that, I just have no idea.

I cannot remember how long it took before I even switched to OTS. I know it was a good while. Most of my hanging was done BTC as my primary angle, and SO as secondary. So, I did get some inner tunica work done while I was mainly working on ligs. But I was able to hang long enough to reach fatigue in the inner tunica also.

Hope this helps.

Bigger

Great. This helps a lot!

-Poke

Good drawings BIB. This helps alot in understanding the anatmony and the correlating LOT. Could you or Hook post a link to the original thread the drawings were in ?

Thanks

This is a great thread.

Bigger, a big hello from Arkansas