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Hey guys I've not had my SG long so was wondering, should you feel a stretch all the time you are in the extender? im in the SG now and I have NO discomfort and im def stretching past my EL but I can't feel any light burn down my shaft basically I can't even feel anything? Is this how it should be or should you feel a slight burn? I only used to be able gofor 20-30mins at a time due to discomfort, but I always felt a heavy burn over the skin of my shaft. Now I can go for 1 hour - 1hour half.

So how should it feel inside an extender? Heavy Burn - Light Burn - No Burn?

Thanks
 
If you do not feel anything, it may be that you are not stretching enough. Try getting more of a stretch. At first, I do not get a burn but after about an hour, I have to get out of the extender and I do manual stretches to bring myself back to life. If you feel you are stretching to your max and you are not getting any type of burn, discomfort, or numness, please give me your secret. I want to know how you are in the extender. Thanks
 
Let me clear up a couple of misconceptions up about wearing a dick extender.

1) More tension does not mean faster results.

2) Soreness or pain is not an indication of growth.

When you first start wearing the device you will feel the stretching, mainly when you take the device off you will notice a very slight burning sensation. The longer you wear the device and the more your penis is adapting the less "feeling" of stretching you will feel. Don't worry, it just means your penis is growing inside the device, keep wearing it and keep adding tension to the device SLOWLY.

Your penis is not going to grow faster just because you feel more tension, it's not going to grow faster because you feel increased soreness, the amount of time you wear the device for is what is going to give you gains not how much tension or how much stretching you feel.
 
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Your penis is not going to grow faster just because you feel more tension, it's not going to grow faster because you feel increased soreness, the amount of time you wear the device for is what is going to give you gains not how much tension or how much stretching you feel.

Saggy balls,

Is this your experience? I am just asking because I add tension and keep it there so I can grow. However if I do not need to put on that much tension and can still grow, that will make things very comfortable for me. Please advise. Thanks
 
SaggyBalls;470168 said:
Let me clear up a couple of misconceptions up about wearing a dick extender.

1) More tension does not mean faster results.

2) Soreness or pain is not an indication of growth.

When you first start wearing the device you will feel the stretching, mainly when you take the device off you will notice a very slight burning sensation. The longer you wear the device and the more your penis is adapting the less "feeling" of stretching you will feel. Don't worry, it just means your penis is growing inside the device, keep wearing it and keep adding tension to the device SLOWLY.

Your penis is not going to grow faster just because you feel more tension, it's not going to grow faster because you feel increased soreness, the amount of time you wear the device for is what is going to give you gains not how much tension or how much stretching you feel.

Saggy Balls

The last part of what you said. Is this your experience. I am just asking because I actually add tension and if I do not have to add so much, then I would be in the extender much longer. Please advise. Thanks
 
Put it this way, I used an extender for 3 years and didn't even know it had a tension feature, I was under the impression the tension was based on the rods you add not the screws on the bottom.

I recommend using the extender for longer periods without the tension, you will adapt to the stretching and you will be gaining size regardless if you use tension or not, but do what works for you, if tension works better and you feel a better stretch and notice gains, then stick with it.
 
SaggyBalls;470737 said:
I recommend using the extender for longer periods without the tension, you will adapt to the stretching and you will be gaining size regardless if you use tension or not, but do what works for you, if tension works better and you feel a better stretch and notice gains, then stick with it.

My experience has been the opposite.

First of all, regarding feeling the stretch on the skin, for purposes of Penis Enlargement, the skin is highly elastic and grows quite quickly, so you don't need to think about the skin, other than for comfort, i.e. avoid pinching the skin, etc.

In order to grow the penis, you have to stretch the tunicae albuginea that are inside the penis. The tunicae are made of collagen and are tough and difficult to stretch, so you're not going to stretch the tunicae, unless there is enough tension. The tension has to be great enough to take it beyond a comfortable stretch. That doesn't mean that it should be painful, though. Just enough that you feel it. Every time I wear my extender, I wear it at full tension, and I always feel a slight stretch on the tunciae. With this approach, using the extender only, I've gained over an inch in length in 16 months of use.

So, in answer to the question posed by the thread "Should you feel the stretch?" - in my opinion, the answer is definitely yes.
 
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How much tension is available from the SG? Is it measurable? I was reading something written by a urologist that said the normal tensile strength of the tunica is between 1200 to 1500 mmHg. That is rougly about 2kg of force on the upper end. Sounds like a lot of force to me, almost 5 pounds. Is the SG capable of such loads?
 
irspow;471700 said:
How much tension is available from the SG? Is it measurable? I was reading something written by a urologist that said the normal tensile strength of the tunica is between 1200 to 1500 mmHg. That is rougly about 2kg of force on the upper end. Sounds like a lot of force to me, almost 5 pounds. Is the SG capable of such loads?

I don't use a SG, I use the Quick Extender Pro (believe me, there's nothing "quick" about Penis Enlargement! lol), but all good extenders work under the same principle. They all have metal rods with an internal spring near the base and a screw mechanism that allows you to control the tension. The tension provided by the internal spring may vary from model to model, but once that spring is fully loaded and you continue turning the screw, the amount of tension is limited only by the length of the screw and your comfort level. The screw on my device is 1 1/2 inches long. If I continued turning that screw, it would provide way more than 5 lbs. of pressure.
 
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Came across some interesting reading, regarding collagen and heat. Supposedly, heating the tissues (collagen) to about 113F (45C), will require 1/4 the load or force necessary to provide the same "stretch" that is required at 77F (25C). Tensile strength of collagen is very much dependent upon temperature. (I realize that this is pretty common knowledge in the Penis Enlargement community.) However, I had not seen the actual temperatures until looking around for scientific papers/articles.

Transformation of collagen into gelatin does not occur until around 140F (60C) sadly. That is much too hot for us to be working out in :D (Wind up in burn units at the local hospital) However, the more heat that we can stand during our Penis Enlargement, the more pliable and weaker the triple helix of collagen is, and the more susceptible it is to elongation or stretching. While warm-ups are pretty much a fundamental in Penis Enlargement, perhaps staying warm (or better yet hot) during our routines would be a better fundamental to maximize gains.

Now it should be pointed out that as the tensile strength of collagen decreases as temperature increases, that the failure force also decreases. Meaning, a force that you can withstand without injury at a lower temperature, could severely injure you at a higher temperature. You would be in effect applying much more stress to the collagen at a higher temperature than you would with the same force at a lower temperature. Using common sense is paramount when using heat to weaken the structure of the penis. But if used wisely, it can significantly enhance our ability to apply more "force" with the same techniques that might not currently be providing as much "force" as we would like.

For example, for me personally, I know that I could stretch harder, but I am limited by my ability to grip my penis with enough force without inducing too much pain (from the grip itself). For me, it is not stretch of the ligaments or whatever that limits the force that I can apply, but rather the limits of my ability to withstand the grip pressure used to stretch. (Does that make sense?) So theoretically, I should be able to apply much more stress to the penile tissue under higher temperatures while applying a more "comfortable" level of pressure to grip the penis.

Which leads to a more theoretical supposition. Now the heat used as explained above simple "unwinds" and weakens the collagen triple helix structure so that it is more pliable and stretchable. (by weakening its tensile strength) This "stretched" or elongated state triggers the production or assembly of more collagen (perhaps this is why vets of Penis Enlargement see a decreasing ability to make "fast" gains as they have substantially added to their total collagen over the years) to fill the tiny spaces of these polypeptides.

This gets more into Mike's SRT theory. If this new collagen, and the stretched collagen, are permitted to retract and then cool back down to regular temperature, you would simply be left with more collagen in the same space. While slightly larger, simply because of an increase in volume of overall collagen, what is there would basically just be a stronger mass of collagen. (I have seen other people discussing heating while working out, and then quickly cooling in the elongated state, to make gains...those people may in fact be onto something that is very much in alignment with science.)

Now Mike is free to rip me here. I am not ripping SRT, which I think is brilliant by the way, I am just looking at how what I am talking about can maybe even add to SRT. If instead of concentrating upon staying extended while healing, which is fundamentally sound, perhaps significant heating while exercising and quickly cooling the tissues while still extended can speed up the growth process even more.

How much cooling while extended? Type one collagen, the weakest, is unstable even at body temperature, perhaps this is what is primarily responsible for most of our gains normally. Basically, type one collagen, is pliable at all times. So "cooling" could be considered cold enough at body temperature for all but type one collagen. Which is fine, because there will be no circumstance where we will, or would want to, lower our natural body temperature for extended periods of time anyway. Rapid cooling would really only be beneficial for the collagen that we have stretched under elevated temperatures in the first place. The idea of staying extended, and its merits, is in allowing recovery to take place to the tissues in a state in which we want them to repair. However, collagen retracts from its own tensile strength. We weaken this tensile strength through elevation of temperature, (or in Penis Enlargement we fight this strength through manual force), and hope that it heals fast enough before returning to its previous state. Well, SRT attempts to, and would, aid in having more of this healing take place while the collagen is still pliable or elongated. I am just hypothesizing that perhaps, quickly cooling the collagen while in an extended pliable state would have a similar effect as traction or wrapping or whatever would have over a longer period of time.

Now I am not saying that the traction or wrapping should be eliminated in favor of cooling, but rather that cooling should be added to traction. What both methods attempt to do is to achieve a state whereby the "extended" collagen is "healed" or forced to stay in the new state. Cooling of collagen in effect increases its tensile strength, if this is done in an extended state, should help to resist the return to its previous state just as would traction. (Remember these "chains" are only a few nm long, so retraction and elongation, are both forms of "stretching" the tiny interconnected chains when they are in a stable state.)

Sorry, just rambling and babbling random thoughts. :D

Your local lunatic,

Tom
 
irspow;471800 said:
Sorry, just rambling and babbling random thoughts. :D Your local lunatic, Tom

That was a great post. I like your objective, scientific approach. There's some good information and good analysis there. I was wondering, though, how would one effectively keep the temperature around 113F? The rest of your body would not be able to stand that temperature for very long, so you'd have to wrap your dick with a heat blanket somehow. I don't know of any that get that hot.

In response to your question as to cooling off. I would think that merely removing the heat blanket and returning to room temperature would provide sufficient cooling.

As a practical matter, I could only see this working if you are not wearing clothing. Don't know how you could wear any sort of wrap that would heat up without some source of power to provide the heat, and don't know how you could wear that under clothing without heating up the rest of the area of your groin and legs.

Really great ideas. Thanks for posting!
 
For me the sg is just for maintaining the stretches i have done manually.

Manual builds up.
Extender makes it stay up. Extender should never be uncomfortable. And if you can wear it 5+hours a day. And do some stretches in between. The way i do when i have seen my quickest results. Peace
 
Gettingto9,

I am using a heating pad (theratherm) which is capable (supposedly) of 166F, not that I will be using that much heat of course. OUCH! Even at 120F direct heat it is possible to get 3rd degree burns in about ten minutes. Most people can only tolerate about 110F, which will not produce burns by direct contact for almost ten hours. (Hot tubs are supposedly safe and "comfortable" in the 102-104F range, and are usually limited to go no higher by the manufacturers.) 110F is HOT to the skin in direct contact! Depending on tolerance to pain individuals will vary on what they can "stand", maybe as low as 105F or so. But about 110F is safe, if on the upper limit, for my purposes as I will never be doing Penis Enlargement for ten straight hours anyway. :D

It is true that simply allowing the collagen to cool on its own back to normal body temperature would do the same thing in returning the collagen to its "normal" tensile strength. However during this cooling phase the tractive force would be getting stronger and stronger the entire time. Even in traction, the collagen would increasingly resisting more and more as it cooled over time. What I have in mind is rapid cooling, to return the collagen to its "natural" tensile strength as quickly as possible before it has had much time to resist its elongated or stretched state. Anyway, its just a time factor. The less strength and time the collagen has to resist an elongated state the better. (at least in theory :D)

LOL...no I had not even thought of trying any of these ideas while wearing clothes. (Although I was thinking about maybe using electric sock material as a "wrap" material in general.) At work: Boss: "What are you doing?" Me: "Who me? Oh, I just have to plug in my dick for a couple of minutes, I will get right back to work in a minute." :D

Hey if you can figure out how to apply the kind of heat we are talking about under the clothes throughout the day, you could be rich. Just hang some weights on that weak collagen and you will make a crew of �naked people movies� stars!

Seriously, I am not applying the cooling aspect myself yet, that is the second phase of my experimentation. Right now I am simply staying wrapped in my pad while doing stretches. I get it hot, stretch and hold, let the heat sink into this stretch for a minute, then stretch some more, hold...etc. Seems to really allow more stretching to take place so far. It seems that at each "limit" of stretch, you can simply give it a minute of intense heat, before stretching it some more. Makes the skin more comfortable as well. (because the skin is made up of collagens as well :D)

Anyway, thanks for reading and sharing. I think that I have hi-jacked this thread too much already. You can follow any future results/findings/observations in this vain at my progress thread.

Tom
 
Aimingforthetop;471973 said:
For me the sg is just for maintaining the stretches i have done manually.

Manual builds up.

Extender makes it stay up. Extender should never be uncomfortable. And if you can wear it 5+hours a day. And do some stretches in between. The way i do when i have seen my quickest results. Peace

Yeah, I agree, the longer you wear the extender, the faster your gains will come. Manual stretching and stretching in the extender work under the same principle - putting tension on the tunica, so both will work do make your dick grow in length. I do very little manual stretching, but have worn the extender for an average of about 4 hours a day for 16 months and have put on a full inch in length. The advantage of an extender is that you can do other things while wearing it. You don't have to devote your full attention to stretching, the way you do with manual stretching. Of course, if you have lots of time to devote to this, then, by all means, go for it!
 
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