I currently weight 459 pounds, need advices in what to do to loose weight

Sup guys, I'm currently 459 pounds, yes i'm a huge guy. I need to loose weight ASAP, so if i can get some advices from you guys i'd really appreciate it, if you got any information on any good weight loss pills that I could buy that really work, i'd appreciate it too.

Stay away from weight loss pills. At 450+ pounds, your heart doesn't need any more stress (the pills just cause your heart to race, thus increasing your metabolism). Instead, focus on eating lean high-protein foods (chicken, fish, egg beaters/whites, low-fat dairy) and limiting your fat intake. Cut out all sugary food, and reduce your bread and pasta intake as well. Overall calories should be cut down to about 2500 per day, and you should try to get one hour of exercise in every day. One day you should do weight lifting and the next should be brisk walking or a cardio machine. You should see steady weight loss for quite a while following a simple plan like this, and the weight loss supplements shouldn't even have to be considered for some time. A basic multii-vitamin and maybe some fish oil would be the only pills I'd recommend right now.

Good luck, and let us know how everything goes.

Good advice from Gold,
and, depending on your joint health and/or general fitness levels you want to be careful about overdoing the exercise portion. Lotsa folks get really enthusiastic (or impatient) and wind up hurtin' themselves. If you live in a warm area or have access to a pool I highly recommend running in water. It provides extra resistance yet takes a huge load off of your knees and other joints.

T'ai Chi, yoga, Chi Kung and even handweights are all good alternatives to the traditional jogging in the park. Anything that'll get yer heart rate up but won't tear yer joints up is good.

goldmember;278600 said:

Stay away from weight loss pills. At 450+ pounds, your heart doesn't need any more stress (the pills just cause your heart to race, thus increasing your metabolism).

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This is mostly good advice, except that it only refers to stimulant pills. There are non stimulant fat burning aids.

The most effective non-stimulant fat burner that I know of is Sesamin. Sesamin is found in many products now but first rose to fat loss prominence by Avant Labs' Sesathin product. One could take it as described with little concern for negative side effects. The only negative side effect I experienced was that after prolonged use I was a bit lethargic and needed to sleep more than usual. Fat loss was great.

Other than that, more potent non-stimulant fat loss is found along the lines of Gemfibrozil or Benzafibrate. More chances for serious negative side effects though, so take it under proper supervision.

Instead, focus on eating lean high-protein foods (chicken, fish, egg beaters/whites, low-fat dairy) and limiting your fat intake. Cut out all sugary food, and reduce your bread and pasta intake as well. Overall calories should be cut down to about 2500 per day, and you should try to get one hour of exercise in every day. One day you should do weight lifting and the next should be brisk walking or a cardio machine. You should see steady weight loss for quite a while following a simple plan like this, and the weight loss supplements shouldn't even have to be considered for some time. A basic multii-vitamin and maybe some fish oil would be the only pills I'd recommend right now.

Good luck, and let us know how everything goes.

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Not bad, I agree. But, not exactly what I'd say.

For a man weighing 459, gravity is a huge pain in the ass - and joints. MAXAMEYES is right on the mark to mention a pool. Running in water is good, but that is tough for even the most fit. I'd suggest wading, breast stroking or walking laps in the pool non-stop for at least 20 minutes, preferably 40 minutes, for cardio. The only other cardio that I'd suggest outside of the water is a good stationary bike with heart rate monitoring for similar time periods. If you need to take a bit of a break, do it, but let you cumulative workout be at least 20 minutes and try not to stop. Work up to 40-60 minutes.

Weight lifting is basically always a good thing.

I'd suggest on veggies, fruit and lean protein with low fat mostly polyunsaturated and monosaturated from things like CLA, Omega 3, Peanuts, Avocado, etc.

2500 calories is a good starting mark for a man his size, but he could even go higher and still lose for quite a while, especially with consistant exercise. Ballpark rules for caloric intake:

Weight x 10 for losing fat/weight.
Weight x 12.5 for maintaining fat/weight.
Weight x 15 for gaining fat/weight.

If I were him, I'd get a membership to a gym with a pool, stationary bike with heart rate monitor and good free weights along with a good workout partner. I'd workout 4-6 days per week. I'd wake up, take multivitamin with 24 fluid ounces of water, do cardio and light weights 3-5 days and have one day of no cardio and heavy weights. Post workout I'd eat 300-500 calories of some veggies, fruit (no more than 100 grams of carbs) and protein with 1 serving of a good fat source combined with a Sesamin source if not a fibrate like Benzafibrate or Gemfibrozil. At the next meal, 2-3 hours later, I'd take the CLA, Omega 3 and a lean protein source - totaling 300-500 calories. For the rest of the say I'd consume 300-500 calories of lean protein every 2-3 hours. I'd get 7-9 hours of sleep, preferably 9, and repeat. The last day of the week I'd eat whatever I want chased down by some cereal high in bulk fiber and protein with some sort of colon cleanser and start the week again.

No soda, juice, etc. Just water and protein shakes (not meal shakes with carbs and fat).

It can be done, so believe. My sister was 300+ pounds for a while, but now she's back to more average weight around 130-160. Took her less than a year, but a lot of discipline.

Good luck!

Thank you so much guys, I really appreciate the help. To me I think the hardest thing is going to be drinking water only, I don't drink a lot of soda at all, but I love juice and iced tea and stuff liket hat, but hey it has to be done so I have to do it. When you talk about weight lifting I do less weights but more reps right? Like biceps, triceps, snoulders? what do you recommend for weight lifting?

BiG_BiZnEsS;278646 said:

Thank you so much guys, I really appreciate the help. To me I think the hardest thing is going to be drinking water only, I don't drink a lot of soda at all, but I love juice and iced tea and stuff liket hat, but hey it has to be done so I have to do it. When you talk about weight lifting I do less weights but more reps right? Like biceps, triceps, snoulders? what do you recommend for weight lifting?

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Happy to try to help. Just don't make it a waste. Kick some ass (yours).

Weight Training:

There is more than one way to do this.

At this stage, weight lifting is important but much less significant than proper cardio and diet. That is quite the same for any fat loss. But, that is not to say that building muscle is not great for getting your body to burn more fat naturally since it has more muscle to feed.

I think what I said in regards to weights will do you fine for maybe a year:

PenilePersist said:

I'd workout 4-6 days per week. I'd wake up, take multivitamin with 24 fluid ounces of water, do cardio and light weights 3-5 days and have one day of no cardio and heavy weights.

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When I cut fat but want to maintain muscle or even gain muscle at the same time (the latter being more tricky), I workout 6 days per week. I do cardio 5 days a week with light weight training ....no more than 25-30 lbs in each hand for upper body and no more than 30-40 lbs for each leg for lower (sometimes less if I'm sore from all the cardio and or my last heavy weight day from the prior week).... via quick circuit training full body workout .... only 1 set each body part with 10-15 reps per set. Then 1 day I skip cardio and max out my weights for a full body workout (about 150-200 lbs upper and lower, maybe) .... about 3 sets each body part, decreasing from 10-8-5 reps per set. The only body parts I usually do even more reps with even on heavy weight days are my trapezius muscles. My heavy weight day is the same day as my "cheat day" and I consume a lot of carbs and protein immediately after my workout - only caring to fill my stomach with good sources of high glycemic carbs and any kind of protein and not caring about how many calories. If I'm more concerned with fat loss, I will only have water and a multivitamin before lifting on my heavy day too, but if I'm more concerned with my muscles then I'll have maybe 200-300calories prior to weights consisting of 50%-75% protein and the remainder % carbs. Calories feed muscle.

Last time I lost maybe 10-15 lbs of fat and gained maybe 3-5 lbs of muscle with this routine.*That's important to point out, because it's more about FAT LOSS than WEIGHT LOSS and MUSCLE IS GOOD AND WEIGHS MORE THAN FAT.

Check out your nearest GNC or sports equipment store for some Digital Fat Calipers so you can keep track of your Body Fat. It will be more important to keep an eye on as you lose more and more fat.

The scale can deceive, but properly used fat calipers can not.

BTW, what is your approximate age and height, if you don't mind? Also, do you happen to know your Body Fat Percentage?

Soda:

I have a friend who once lost nearly 40 lbs from doing nothing other than working out at not drinking any more soda. He said he lost 15 lbs from not drinking soda before he started working out. Mostly, it comes down to calories in versus calories out, and soda is an easy vehicle to consume excess calories with for multiple reasons, but soda can have various other negative side effects as well.

You don't drink Diet Coke, by chance, do you? Strangely, most overweight or obese people that I know drink Diet Coke. Diet Coke still has Aspartame in it, doesn't it? Aspartame is some "evil shit". It has notorious precedent for "coincidentally" being consumed by people with various horrible health problems ... some deadly. See the documentary called Sweet Misery.
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q="sweet+misery"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-566922170441334340
http://www.soundandfury.tv

That reminds me of Dr. Mercola, since he also commends that film. He knows what he's talking about. I've been reading his site for almost 2 years now. Check it out at http://www.mercola.com . Also:
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=mercola&hl=en

Just remember you can have 1 cheat day a week where you can eat and drink whatever you want. You can do it all day if you follow your routine properly for the rest of the week. You'll only have to change it from "one cheat day" to "one cheat meal" per week if you ever really want 6-8 pack abs .... which will take you a while to get closed to.

Regardless, be it cheat day or cheat meal, I say to never drink soda again and stick to juices, "Vitamin Water" (sugar and vitamin water) and it's close kins Powerade and Gatorade, etc when you cheat. Maybe taste soda once a year if it makes you happy. I grew up drinking Dr Pepper and various pops all the time. I stopped consuming soda and now I nearly barf when I see it. I drink maybe a glass a year and sometimes it tastes good with the right food and sometimes I end up pouring out the glass before I finish it because I just don't like it anymore. The same thing can happen from high glycemic foods when you cut them out of your diet for long enough. You might find yourself trying to eat some pie or a brownie or snickers and just be grossed out by the taste of so much sugar. When you consume it enough again you'll enjoy it again, but it takes a bit for the body to adjust. It really works both ways. If you stick to healthy food long enough, it becomes your favorite and junk food disgusts you .....and vice versa. Depending on how you use "cheat days" or "cheat meals", this can have a noticeable effect on how your taste buds react to various foods and beverages.

Previous post clarifications:
BTW, Sesamin products are only found online, to my knowledge. Check out http://www.discountanabolics.com
I suggest SesaThin liquid. Last time I checked, it was the cheapest buy and arguably more effective than the various capsules with various mixes like Omega 3.

Fibrates like Gemfibrozil can probably be found online, but are best obtained through a physician. And when I said you should have proper supervision when using these potent Fibrates, I meant a qualified physician who knows the details about how Fibrates effect the body in general and how they effect your specific body.

Hey Big guy, a whole Helluva lot actually depends on your present fitness level, prior experience with weights and how long it's been since you last worked out.
There are LOTS of websites that could and would give you more and better advice than any of us here could in a quick post.
Here's just one for a "for instance":

http://www.exrx.net/Exercise.html

I figure it's a good enough place to start as any and might just answer a few Q's for ya.
Good luck & keep us posted!

P.S. If you can get the best running shoes you can afford and try damn hard to walk 30 minutes a day, That's what the human body was built to do: walk. And don't forget the Water, water, water !

The "soda" section should be "Soda, Juices, Beverages" or something like that. I talked about soda a lot, but not exclusively. I'd edit if there wasn't a 10 minute limit.

The point is, beverages are for hydration. Not only are some beverages not healthy for their various contents, but in general you want to stay away from beverage with calories when you want to lose fat because the basics of fat loss is calories in versus calories out and trying to create a caloric deficit where you burn mnore calories than you consume. Hydrating is extremely important to do often even when not working out, and is especially important when working out. You will consume a lot of fluids and you don't want them to be calories. Juices, "Vitamin Water", Gatorade, Powerade, various Teas etc all have a lot of sugar and thus calories and are not ideal for hydrating. You want your calories to fill up your stomach to stop hunger, too, and fluids are less likely to do that.

Some people will say it's not bad to consume certain teas for aggressive fat loss, like Green Tea, etc. Some teas can be low enough in calories and high enough in caffein for some people to think it is good to drink while trying to lose fat. I disagree.

I say stay away from stimulants and the only caloric fluids worth consuming are whey protein shakes for their taste and quality mobile protein source when you can't cook some meat. Another good mobile protein source is jerky, but you have to beware of the high sodium content, high saturated fat content and how easy they are to over eat with.

MAXAMEYES;278672 said:

Hey Big guy, a whole Helluva lot actually depends on your present fitness level, prior experience with weights and how long it's been since you last worked out.

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I agree. It a great routine though. Like I said, work up to it. I mean, work up to number of days per week and time spent per day. I said when I cut I work 6 days per week, but do as litle as 3 and work up to it. When I do cardio, I do 40-60 minutes, but I said do at least 20 minutes and work up to it.
I think it is almost pointless to do less than 3 days per week and less than 20 minutes per those 3 days. Work up to THAT if you want, but that's little enough. Workout takes discipline to push yourself too. Like I also said, take a break in the middle of the workout if you have to but make sure you finish the workout.

There are LOTS of websites that could and would give you more and better advice than any of us here could in a quick post.
Here's just one for a "for instance":

http://www.exrx.net/Exercise.html

I figure it's a good enough place to start as any and might just answer a few Q's for ya.

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Not bad. I'd suggest http://www.discountanabolics.com/forum/ and http://www.forums.bodybuilding.com as a great source for interactive education for experienced people.

Better advice is aruable. This isn't rocket science. More people willing to spend more time to respond to detailed, individual questions, likely. But, the advice could be better or worse.

The routine I mentioned can really give anyone a 6-8 pack though, quite quickly. It's the best routine I've found and proven to work on myself and others. The only way I know to make it better is to write out a specific diet catered to a specific person and it's much less necessary when they weigh enough to lose weight with nearly any half way intelligent diet and exercise routine. It's more difficult to lose fat the skinnier you are and vice versa. The routine I mentioned can make skinny people skinnier if they plug and play it correctly.

Good luck & keep us posted!

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Ditto!

P.S. If you can get the best running shoes you can afford and try damn hard to walk 30 minutes a day, That's what the human body was built to do: walk.

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Not bad, but far inferior to the aforementioned pool and stationary bike workouts. Pool is the best. A pool cuts down so much on gravity and inertia and adds resistance. Pool cardio is the best for anyone and especially for a 459 pound person. Biking is still alright because it takes a lot of bad pressure off the ankles and knees, but far inferior to a pool workout ... especially for a 459 pound person. No offense to the guy, but do you really realize what 459 lbs is? 30 minutes of walking or biking with that kind of weight may be too painful to be possible at this stage and HORRIBLE for joints and skeletal alignment. I say pool is THE way to go. No shoes or sock needed for a pool, either.

Plus, when you tell people all they need to do is walk, it's an easy out for them to say stuff like : "I walked around the grocery store today so I got my cardio done".

It's also a real positve thing to keep your Target Heart Rate during cardio. This is easiest to do with a proper stationary bike with heart rate monitoring that will calculate your target heart rate and adjust resistance to reach it and maintain it. It will also allow you to adjust it. Heart Rate monitors can be used for walking and swimming and lifting weights etc as well, but are less convenient and easy to be disciplined with in my experience.

And don't forget the Water, water, water !

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And don't forget the water.

You know you're properly hydrated when you piss more often and it is clear piss.

I'm 6'2" and I'm 23 years old. The last time a worked out was like las month, I had joined weight watchers and was doing cardio at lifestyle and I lost almost 10 pounds in a little less than a month. A few years ago I trained for 3 months to be a heavyweight boxer i was a LOT lighter back then, but that training gave me a LOT of muscle, so I'm like fat but a lot of if it's muscle too you just cant see unless you grab my arms or whatever, even if i flex my stomach (not sure if you call it flex) it's like rock hard which is weird, unfortunately I don't know what my body fat is.

I have no noteable health conditions, thank you so much for the help, this is been so helpfull it's crazy, one more quick question, where could I go to meassure my body fat?

I got weighed in water at one of the local colleges, they had a damn good sports medicine department and, if I remember right, it only cost me like $20...about 15 years ago. Y'might try and start there.

Biggest problem with the measuring tapes is that most, if not all, of the calculations are based on a medium body-type. I had that problem for years in the NAVY...I was so heavy framed and dense that the readings were so far off the scale so as to be completely unusable. At 6'1" and 275 I was taped at 22-24% bodyfat...hydrostatic:12%. Big difference, huh?

(My 23" neck couldn't quite match my 42" waist on the charts, even though it was offset pretty well by my 56" chest....still got the 9" wrists though...that's some consolation, at least.)

And forget height/weight charts!
At my height my max weight shoulda been 192, and that was WITH a 22% max bodyfat. If ya wanna quick laugh; just do the math.


So if you've been, say, a bodybuilder, powerlifter, martial artist, defensive lineman or anything like that which would tend to pack on density; you're gonna get some ungodly figure.
Or, conversely, if one portion of your anatomy is out of the norm, usually it's a small neck measurement that trips everybody up, you'll also get wildly innacurate results.

whats up big biz you need to fix your diet and do some cardio let me know what you do everyday so I can get you some tips.

Some really good advice...however you are in my opinion (as a personal trainer) in critical need of some serious help (as you know).

You should seriously invest in getting a personal trainer to help you professionally, and follow the advice of the people on this forum too...they know a lot to get you started. Don't sleep on getting help from a CPT, they will bring you beyond what you thought you could ever achieve.

Juggers;278889 said:

Some really good advice...however you are in my opinion (as a personal trainer) in critical need of some serious help (as you know).

You should seriously invest in getting a personal trainer to help you professionally, and follow the advice of the people on this forum too...they know a lot to get you started. Don't sleep on getting help from a CPT, they will bring you beyond what you thought you could ever achieve.

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For my taste, that's good but a bit too much polemic hyperbole. Every Certified Personal/Professional Trainer should be valued on an individual basis and on a case by case client study. If you can teach yourself what they know, which you can do easier than ever with the internet - like if you care at all, know how to verify facts, and know how to use the web well (rocket science?), then you have the best chance at serving yourself well.

I've lost count of how many times I've seen "CPTs" get subpar results with their clients and know half as much as they'd like clients to think they do - for various reasons. But that is not to say that one cannot know more than you at any stage of knowledge, be it just a trick or two advantage of knowledge or book loads - depending on how much you need to know for your goals and care to know not only "how" but "why". Thus not to say that they cannot be helpful at any stage or even tremendous help for those who really need to rely on such a source. But, to imply that one "seriously" needs a "professional" CPT and that this will "bring you beyond what you thought you could ever achieve" is highly circumstantial and an exaggeration or distortion of reality. I'm sure you mean nothing but the best though. And I'm sure you can admit to some bias "(as a personal trainer)" . Then again, I'm often one to defy "authority", "professionals" etc and encourage self reliance to the most reasonable extent possible so I guess I'm biased in that regard.

However, I think THE most valuable thing about having a "trainer" is the value of the "workout partner". That is if you pick a disciplined and motivated trainer or workout partner then you will have one of the most critical advantages - motivation (fun, encouragement, competition, peer pressure, money etc) to stay consistant and disciplined with your routine and push yourself more and more throughout it. It also helps if they are in better shape than you, especially if they have THE body of your goals.

But, still....

All, or at least 99.99%, of the info one NEEDS to learn HOW to master their body can be found on the net. If they want to learn WHY it works, that can be found on the net too.

I don't know everything, but I do think I know how to transform a 459 lb guy into a guy who weighs less than half that with a 6-8 pack of abs showing. I took the lazy route to explaining the basics of "how" without a "why". That's really all he needs. If he wants more, I think he is smart enough and resourceful enough to get it if he just keeps doing what he's doing be it anywhere that his interests and the web lead him.

trainers are a waste of time they dont know shit and they are pussies

Ok then I suppose going to a doctor is a waste of time too and the help one would need could be found on the internet?

He NEEDS a personal trainer....one on one time with a professional, as well as needing a doctor. The internet isn't the "end-all" one stop place. It is a valuable tool to research and learn as well as receive support.

Juggers;278966 said:

Ok then I suppose going to a doctor is a waste of time too and the help one would need could be found on the internet?

He NEEDS a personal trainer....one on one time with a professional, as well as needing a doctor. The internet isn't the "end-all" one stop place. It is a valuable tool to research and learn as well as receive support.

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What's that you said? All I see is "waaaaaaaa!:blush"!

Seriously though, a little liqoured up but the logic stands.

"NEEDS" - what a fucking joke.

"Could use" - maybe. You could use a rectal exam.

A doctor is whole 'nother level of dyanamics. I could bust your balls on that with 10 paragraphs. Need a doctor for a physical to say "turn your head and cough --- okay everything is fine"? Or need a doctor for an accurate blood test or for cancer etc?

Just face it. Training isn't all that difficult. There are some hurdles, but it's really easy when you get the hang of it. That's why you REALLY do what you do, right? Easy, look good, check out chicks and work on your beach bod while giving people info they can find on the internet if they had more time, initiative and discipline for a living and wrap in a box that says you like to help people with their quality of life .... right? There IS a NEED after-all, right? Ahem.

My point is, he can use one if he wants and it may or may not turn out better if he did it himself. That's far more accurate than your biased polemic bullshit hype ..... (respectfully speaking ).

This shit you are espousing can not only be considered polemic hyperbole distortions of reality but can be considered insulting to what makes a man a man ..... the ability to realize that he can take care of himself and decide to follow through with that or seek help if he wants. The way you espouse your "CPT Dogma" is like somebody selling Amway/Quixtar and telling you how rich you'll be by selling their soap and energy drinks when the real money is in selling motivational CDs and Conventions .... or Shrinks telling you how many diagnosis' they spot when the reality is you need a friend to hang out with so you'll stop internalizing all of your thoughts, emotions and energy .... and motivation to get to the root of your problem with the size of your dick and do something proactive about it .... just like the shrink will finally tell you after they empty your wallet and waste two hours of your time playing checkers with you and acting interested in what you have to say - only somewhat like a true friend being interested in helping you calm down and think rationally for yourself.

Need X-Games pros to teach you to rollerblade, ride a bike, skateboard? Sure, just like they had - (before x-games existed - oh wait, is that possible?).

Need a Mercedes mechanic to teach you how to change your park plugs?

Need a "tree professional" to teach you how to tie a rope to a tree, cut into it and pull it down so it doesn't hit anything else?

Ever heard of "Feed a man a fish, and he's fed for a day. Teach a man to fish and he's fed for a lifetime?"

We all have shit to learn. It's our choice how we learn it. You don't "NEED" to learn everything from a "certified professional" but you can if you want and it may or may not be more helpful. I think it is less helpful, dehumanizing, castrating, judgemental and condescending to tell a grown man that he "needs" a "CPT" to lose fat .... as if he is too dumb and lazy to figure it out and do it for himself.

Where's my liquor? Bitches.

Juggers;278966 said:

The internet isn't the "end-all" one stop place.

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Are you delusional? I never said it was. I implied that we can learn things from various sources, but the internet does in fact have 99+% of what you need to know to lose fat. Nice straw man argument.

Juggers;278966 said:

It is a valuable tool to research and learn as well as receive support.

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Are you delusional? I never said it wasn't. Matter of fact, I implied it was good for these purposes. Nice straw man argument.

Just stop. I have no beef with you. The way you are saying shit is just stupid ... or tactfully speaking - poorly worded and very poorly and pointlessly argued.