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Anything we see in ���� is definitely an exaggeration and not true to what average size is
Do gains slow down as we grow or do we set ourselves up for this?
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This was not about that.
The myth is about that length gains will slow down, but it is not true if you follow SRT and have good programming. It's just some psychological wall we need to get rid of, in order to gain big.
Saying that your gains will slow down after +1 Inch BPEL increase, is not fair to new members.
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Exactly. But at the same time, average is now being dismissed as long term ideal and need to further pursue as an ambitious determination for self improvement. Do you want drive an average 20 year old cars all your life, or step forward and grab something that has more go-go power to get your blood boiling again? You want an average body build or become stronger to get a renewed perspective in life? Average. A word used by those with no drives and like to coast. Improvement/Enhancement. A word used by those who still the drives to achieve greatness.
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It's not that gains "slow down". There's this phenomenon in PE where guys tend to gain quicker in the beginning of their careers relative to their rate of gain afterwards, which I would define to be the true rate of gain.
There are countless testimonials of guys gaining 0.5 - 1 inch in less than two months initially. At a steady rate, that would equate to about 6 inches of gains in BPEL in only one year, which is absolutely impossible - I do not care what anyone says!
So it is not that gains slow down; it is just that initial gains tend to come quicker. After that, I see no reason why gains couldn't come at a steady rate with dedication, consistency, and a solid program.
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It just gets "harder" after the quick newbie gains that almost everyone gets, myself included. I gained about 3/4" in my first couple of months and was ecstatic. Ask me to do that now, lol! If it were possible to maintain that rate of growth, that would equate to 4.5" in BPEL in only one year. So, basically, I would be able to achieve in a single year what took you over 10 years to achieve. How realistic is that?
But that doesn't mean that you cannot have consistent gains throughout your career. It just means that your rate of gain will be smaller relative to your rate of gain initially (newbie gains).
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Fast growth are possible, do not limit yourself or impose limits on this brotherhood, I will not allow that.
Imposing limits on other members are not fair to them. Imagine becoming a member here, and now everyone are telling you that after your first Inch increase in BPEL, the gains are going to come slower, and it will get harder. This scenario happened to me, and it was a real challenge in a psychological way. It was really hard, and it was not fair in any way to me, not fair at all. I do not want any other member to feel like this.
If I would have believed in the limits that was imposed on me when I became a member here at 🔗 MoS, I would not have gowned this much as I did grew within 1 year.
This was the limitations that was imposed on me:
I ended up smashing the expectations when it came to length gains (in: Bone Pressed Length).
I even used this list above as motivation.
I do not agree with you here. I also did my best to not misquote you. I hope I succeeded.
For me the entire process of increasing my penis length have been very hard, nothing have been easy.
I even punctured my glans during one session with the LengthMaster 3.
If you do not increase your intensity in an exponential way you will get stuck in plateaus....that is 100% for sure.
You can not do the beginner routine forever and aspect to gain length at the same rate. Maybe this is what you are referring to when you say:
LengthMaster 3, change the game for length gains.
With that device you will make sure that you will never get stuck in plateaus.
This post has nothing to do about a personal matter, and when we are discussing these kind of things we should put our EGO in a box.
I just have to tell the brotherhood about how it really feels like, when other members are trying to impose their limitations on you.
It doesn't feel good at all. 🥺
Thank you for reading!
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My exact advice
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Seems like @kyomoto was imposing limits on you. I did not give anyone any such "limits", nor did I try to discourage people in any way. Any reasonable person who read what I wrote would agree.
My whole thesis is that newbie gains generally come faster. What exactly is discouraging about that? And where have I imposed any limits in saying that?
You need to stop taking things too personal, bro. You seem to be the one with the ego, not me. You are the only one who is thinking along these lines, that my input is somehow bad for this community. You know what? If you don't like the opinions I share, then as an administrator on this site, you can delete them, and even ban me if you please.
But please don't waste my time with your bullshit that I am trying to "discourage" people by "imposing limits on them", when I did nothing of the sort.
I do, however, think that it is unreasonable to expect gains of 4.5" - 6" in one year. I do not believe it is even physiologically possible. NOW, if that is your definition of discouraging and imposing limits on people, then I don't know what to tell you. I think most people here would agree with that statement.
Let's do a little experiment, shall we? Let's put all the bullshut to rest and talk facts, because I am tired of this back-and-forth pissing contest with you, which you like to create for some reason.
Do us all a favor. Recently, in another post, you claimed gains of 3+ inches in BPEL. You must have made those gains in less than a year, because it hasn't been that long since @huge-girth coached you, when you were only 5 inches.
So, take a BPEL measurement now, and post it somewhere. Then, in another year from now, if you can show another 3+ inch gain for a total of 11+ inches in BPEL, I promise you I will never, EVER question you about anything in regards to PE. I promise.
The burden is on you to prove your claims. I wish you all the best.
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Again I agree 💯
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Okay
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Exactly. You have been the most dedicated in this game out of everyone, and gained the most. You gained 2 inches in the first 6 months of your career, and the rest took you 10 years, from what I remember. If gains were linear, it would have taken you just one year to get to your 10.5".
Everyone as far as I know experiences this, which is why we have a term for it called "newbie gains". I do not understand the point this guy is trying to make. I am not trying to discourage or place limits on anyone. But you cannot argue with facts.
He is more than welcome to prove to the brotherhood that rate of gains can be equivalent across the board. He'll be the first to do it. If he can put on another 3 inches in the next year, then he would prove his claim.
But as it stands, nobody as far as I know has had such an experience, and I have been in this game for a long time.
To me, it is more discouraging to give brothers false information without any proof, especially when you're literally going against EVERYONE'S experience. Literally everyone!!!
You see, I am a realist, not a fantasist. A lot of people prefer to be fantasists, and therein lies the problem. I do not support outlandish claims coming from ONE man that goes against everyone else's experience without any documented proof.
You have to look at things for what they are... and if that rubs him the wrong way, then he can delete my comments and move on. No hard feelings.
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I don't impose limitations on anyone. The old thread response was based on my experience and knowledge I had at the time which was years ago. My answer would remain the same despite the fact that I am older, wiser, and more experienced.
I answered a question from the thread: " So yes, moral of the story is what would be the average length/girth gains within those 3 time periods listed above? "
Key word " 'average' length/girth gains "
The average I gave in my answer I simply stated as a frame of reference. It's not a marker of what to expect. It is a frame of reference from what MOST practitioners have accomplished. Of course you can gain faster or slower. It depends on your body, genetics, healing factor, intensity, discipline, and consistency.
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@Grandmaster; If you do not stop arguing in this abusive way, you will get banned for life. I am not joking...if one more abusive comment comes from you, then you are gone.
Everything is proven. I have threads on this platform with picure proof.
Yes
What do you mean with only 5 inches?
Are you dick shaming me?
I have not been coached by anyone. I got help be asking questions like everyone else on the forums on mattersofsize.com. My gains are my doing.
No comments will be removed!
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Why was he banned? What he posted about newbie gains being easier and then it slows down wasn't wrong.
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Newbie gains and revision gains are the same. Newbies use the available inner ligamentary displacement to get the ultra fast gains in combo with tissue reformation from tissue stressing. This is documented facts done throughout the millennia from various cultures. The PE brotherhoods merely mirror the methods with scientific and medical data.
Revision gains, through insights from decades of fine tuning, allows long term PE brothers to switch tactics for efficient growth. Just like bodybuilders, there are hard limits where you cannot expand or lengthen your limbs with bulky muscles any further. However, medical sciences provide new paths and devices to further push for growth, no matter how little or large of the gains a hard limit was set. Unlike the skeletal structures and musculature expansion, soft tissue muscles can indeed be forced to go further with lower hard limits. There are many cases where those who gone too far with PE gained 10+ inches in length and regret their decisions, but that's another discussion.
However, Grandmaster attempted to debunk the facts that already been established using the "realist" argument. In reality, the "realist" focused on those who don't care to walk the path of pushing the body to the limit, simply because one doesn't care to push the limits to find different methods for growth. By discouraging the brothers to search for answers and paths to circumvent the limits, he just throw in the arguments that "it's life" and "it's reality". Reality is an array of hidden facts to further discover rather than what stagnate at the, "it doesn't work for me, so it doesn't work for you."
The brothers here do address the issues of body potential to grow, in tandem to physical limits and rate of growth, as well as the efforts and consistency by each individual. Those who tried at first but not put on the follow up of healthy eating, maintain schedules and dedicated time for the routines, rollback on their efforts and lose gains before cementing, not using the proper method to induce growth, and then report failures, that end up discouraging new PE journey men. False the fact during discussions spread more false facts, resulting in a domino effect.
Rather than using negative aspects of failed or stagnating PE methods, @squirt_inducer_man simply pointed out that we need to lean on each other to discover new methods for each other. Rather than saying, "you failed so don't do it anymore", we want to encourage each other and say "let's find alternatives and let us grow together." PE does not need negativity like how Grandmaster is trying to convey. We got plenty of that in life already. This brotherhood reinforces each other with positive attitudes and will work together through the toughest of time during PE. We pursue PE because we are facing the tough times, be emotionally, physically, psychological, or combinations of.
Revision gains, through insights from decades of fine tuning, allows long term PE brothers to switch tactics for efficient growth. Just like bodybuilders, there are hard limits where you cannot expand or lengthen your limbs with bulky muscles any further. However, medical sciences provide new paths and devices to further push for growth, no matter how little or large of the gains a hard limit was set. Unlike the skeletal structures and musculature expansion, soft tissue muscles can indeed be forced to go further with lower hard limits. There are many cases where those who gone too far with PE gained 10+ inches in length and regret their decisions, but that's another discussion.
However, Grandmaster attempted to debunk the facts that already been established using the "realist" argument. In reality, the "realist" focused on those who don't care to walk the path of pushing the body to the limit, simply because one doesn't care to push the limits to find different methods for growth. By discouraging the brothers to search for answers and paths to circumvent the limits, he just throw in the arguments that "it's life" and "it's reality". Reality is an array of hidden facts to further discover rather than what stagnate at the, "it doesn't work for me, so it doesn't work for you."
The brothers here do address the issues of body potential to grow, in tandem to physical limits and rate of growth, as well as the efforts and consistency by each individual. Those who tried at first but not put on the follow up of healthy eating, maintain schedules and dedicated time for the routines, rollback on their efforts and lose gains before cementing, not using the proper method to induce growth, and then report failures, that end up discouraging new PE journey men. False the fact during discussions spread more false facts, resulting in a domino effect.
Rather than using negative aspects of failed or stagnating PE methods, @squirt_inducer_man simply pointed out that we need to lean on each other to discover new methods for each other. Rather than saying, "you failed so don't do it anymore", we want to encourage each other and say "let's find alternatives and let us grow together." PE does not need negativity like how Grandmaster is trying to convey. We got plenty of that in life already. This brotherhood reinforces each other with positive attitudes and will work together through the toughest of time during PE. We pursue PE because we are facing the tough times, be emotionally, physically, psychological, or combinations of.
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Many cases of 10+ inch gains???? Where?
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In the cultural visits for the Somba, Togo, Benin, Vanuatu, Xhosa, Batammariba and many other tribes, the medical journalists recorded the older men continued to force the elongation of their penis beyond their youth's trials through the process of allograph, which is similar method the PE methods from the brotherhoods are pursuing using modern equipment. The average penis there were 8in, with extreme into the 16in.
Historically, men in Egypt, China, Japan, Rome, Greece, Mongolia, and India perform phalli-elongation practices throughout the millennia and are still doing it now. They don't come out and say, "Hey, here's my dick. Take photos guys." Medical records for patients reported penile length by doctors due to urinary issues confirmed the portion of the cultures pursuing penile elongation logged in at 8in+, with average upper median of 10in. This means you got upper bound of 10+ in to create a median. This is not the country's average, but the portion of the culture that pursue penile elongation. Distinction must be made clear here. I knew a couple of brothers from Korea and India, with length of 8in and monstrous girth of 9in. Let's just say their relationships don't last long. The one from Korea perform penile reduction to 6in girth. Deformity was his biggest regret.
Roberto Cabrera, during multiple interviews where he confessed he kept on the PE journey, causing his penis to lengthen to half a meter and the girth over 8in. That was his regret.
Adult entertainment practitioners, those who aim high and wide, go for the length. Since this is not an adult industry webpage, we'll leave you to do the research of those superstars that perform PE for their daily routines. I knew one of them. PE was a norm, mainly pumping and night time traction. I got mine based on his recommendation. His was 11in length and 7in girth. Since he long retired from the industry, I will not sully his name. But, he still continues to this very day.
So where? They're everywhere. Are they willing to flaunt their penis all over the place? Only those who want to be stars in the adult entertainment industries. Otherwise, they shelter behind anonymity. However, brothers here assist one another, even if we have to pull ours out show.
Historically, men in Egypt, China, Japan, Rome, Greece, Mongolia, and India perform phalli-elongation practices throughout the millennia and are still doing it now. They don't come out and say, "Hey, here's my dick. Take photos guys." Medical records for patients reported penile length by doctors due to urinary issues confirmed the portion of the cultures pursuing penile elongation logged in at 8in+, with average upper median of 10in. This means you got upper bound of 10+ in to create a median. This is not the country's average, but the portion of the culture that pursue penile elongation. Distinction must be made clear here. I knew a couple of brothers from Korea and India, with length of 8in and monstrous girth of 9in. Let's just say their relationships don't last long. The one from Korea perform penile reduction to 6in girth. Deformity was his biggest regret.
Roberto Cabrera, during multiple interviews where he confessed he kept on the PE journey, causing his penis to lengthen to half a meter and the girth over 8in. That was his regret.
Adult entertainment practitioners, those who aim high and wide, go for the length. Since this is not an adult industry webpage, we'll leave you to do the research of those superstars that perform PE for their daily routines. I knew one of them. PE was a norm, mainly pumping and night time traction. I got mine based on his recommendation. His was 11in length and 7in girth. Since he long retired from the industry, I will not sully his name. But, he still continues to this very day.
So where? They're everywhere. Are they willing to flaunt their penis all over the place? Only those who want to be stars in the adult entertainment industries. Otherwise, they shelter behind anonymity. However, brothers here assist one another, even if we have to pull ours out show.
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The case of Roberto Cabrera is not real. What he has down there are dead cells and not all actual penis shaft.
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Indeed, shedding cells. Do you remember how I discussed about overstressing without rest causing cellular death? That's what happened to him. He kept on bundling weights that exceeded 3lbs tension limit, creating an adaptation limit and the body ignore the repairs. The gains he had caused cell death, which results in cell shedding. But there is still repair responses for the remainder of the shaft. The doctors that examined him did point out that the cellular decay was not beyond 30%. In a sense, the elongation process continued because he kept on having hanging weight more than 3lbs between this legs, tugging on his entire groin. He indicated that his EQ was only 40% at max. He can't detect the EQ beyond 40% due to server scarring.
