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i'll put it bluntly, where's the evidence of trapped penis developing through teenage years into an adult? AND, where's the stats on how often trapped penis occurs in youth and in adults?

In addition to that, and in light pf recent concerns about the threads, I'd like to clarify once more that this latest strain of conversation can in no way be interpreted as personal attack.

They are straight forward questions about statements which Kong has made. They contain no insults, no personal insinuations, and in no way resemble anything except a request for information regarding topical claims.

I don't see where a person could reasonably interpret this as either inappropriate forum behavior or as something outside the boundaries of discussion on the topic of FR.

Kong has proposed a theory that he claims is both reasonable and generally understood. Requestiong further explanation or documentation is not harassment, but a logical and justifiable request.

Before I continue with this thread, I only ask the same thing you are demanding of me. Show me proof.

Show me proof that I am wrong and I will continue to debate this with you.

Otherwise, you really need to let it drop.

Kong, as I said before, just because you can't "disprove" something, does not mean it is true.

Disprove to me that aliens are controlling the government, then we'll discuss it.

Disprove to me that more than one person assasinated JFK.

It is a cop-out to say that on this matter - because there is absolutely no information on "adult trapped penis" anywhere online. It is difficult to disprove something for which there is no information available. So, if you have some, it would be cool if you could link it.

What I have done, since there is no information, is asked you some questions about the concept of trapped penis that I think are not only logical questions, but very much warranted by such a claim.

I am in no way attempting ot make it a personal matter when I say that I feel it is clear you are trying to avoid elaborating on it or explaining that it is something that you have only theorized exists.

Swank, in the final analysis, there is no proving or disproving anything here. It is only a suggestion, an idea...you really shouldn't make it out to be more than it is. If you don't believe it, that's fine. It doesn't bother me. You seem to go out of your way to try to discredit everything I say, however, and if that isn't personal, I don't know what is. I will be the bigger man and not respond further. If you would like to proclaim some kind of victory, so be it. You win. I give up. This is all very sili and pointless.

Actually Kong, all I am asking at this point is if it is just something that you have persoanlly thought up.

I have looked far and wide for information about it and can find none, zero, zilch. All I'm asking is that you be a sport and make it explicitly clear whether or not you created this concept or not.

That's neither a patronizing nor malicious request, I just want to be clear on where it comes from.

I don't know how much clearer I can make this for you, swank. I really can't. It is an idea I thought might be valid in light of a condition called "trapped penis" that is caused by circumcision. Why is that not clear?

It is clear now (I think): Adult trapped penis is something that have just theorized exists. There are no documented cases of it or any information concerning the idea to be found online.

It is a concept and idea that Kong created.

I just want to be clear on that before discussing it anymore so there are no complaints of confusion or otherwise.

kong1971 said:

I don't know how much clearer I can make this for you, swank. I really can't. It is an idea I thought might be valid in light of a condition called "trapped penis" that is caused by circumcision. Why is that not clear?

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GREAT, you finally said it, your just making a guess about the adult trapped penis.

that doesn't make it true or not, but because you are just guessing, DO NOT go around telling people advice relating to this, because that is completely misleading.

it'd be like if i guessed there was a monster in a house so i told everyone to blow it up.

get my drift.

Please don't try to censor me just because you don't believe it.

kong1971 said:

Please don't try to censor me just because you don't believe it.

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this is the analogy from the other thread which you were also making guessing and giving people advice to work on just guesses.

imagin, you are GUESSING there is some evil monster from hell living in a house near you and you GUESS the only way to kill is to blow up the house, then after you blow it up you realise there was no monster, only a family.

you understand, if you keep stating these statistics and "facts" which you are just guessing at, you could hurt someone.

This is censorship, pure and simple. I rarely present anything as indisputable fact. I normally label my opinions and ideas and theories as such. Oops, I mean "hypothesis", not "theories". Sorry. Do you think you could put up with that kind of pressure? You say I am hurting people. Can you cite an example of how I have hurt someone? That's a pretty inflammatory statement itself. Most folks thank me for my advice. Most folks are also smart enough to know that I am writing from my own experiences and feelings. They don't need the three of you to qualify that. They are intelligent enough on their own to see what is fact and what is opinion. In the end, no one else on the forum has to put up with having his/her statements put to such scrutiny and criticism. And that is an "indisputable fact".

I disagree. I think it is unethical and inappropriate to post statements that you have made up, then not make this explicitly clear. As a person who places themselves in a leadership position you have an obligation to be clear and to place your claims within context.

A young person reading this would very easily assume that trapped penis was not something that you had just made up. I myself had a hard time figuring this out and I asked you about directly nearly ten times.

In the future I think it would be prudent to make it clear you are citing a theory that you have just made up yourself.

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I disagree. I think it is unethical and inappropriate to post statements that you have made up, then not make this explicitly clear.

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exactly, if ya gonna make up some idea, then make it very clear that its just an idea. this is our dicks we're messing with, we can't afford mistakes.

You Kong, are inexcusable. Do you realize what would happen if men had increased skin mobility on their penis'? That would be awful. Thats dangerous and irresponsible. :s

raffiki said:

You Kong, are inexcusable. Do you realize what would happen if men had increased skin mobility on their penis'? That would be awful. Thats dangerous and irresponsible. :s

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Once again you are trying to "straw man" our argument. Lets say that a man is suffering from any sexual problem ranging from ED to some form of sexually transmitted disease. Were they to listen to some of the dogma here about FR they would be lead to think that everything was caused by their circumcision and this would prevent them from getting real help.

My "theory" was clearly labeled as such at the very start of the "trapped penis" thread. Why did you not catch that?

Skepdick, I am sure someone with green pus coming from his pee hole would read a thread here and say to himself, "Gee, I guess I need more shaft skin." Phhh! Stop treating our readers like they're morons.

Asking that you please be explicit when stating something that you have fabricated is not the same as calling others stupid.

FR is in the same boat as Penis Enlargement. The medical community refuses to accept it, and therefore there are few if any regulated research regarding it. Kong has done his best to learn what he could so he could be more informative in his replies. Its the same as DLD stating that a new stretch targets the tunica, why dont you go demand medical proof of him? Because there isn't any! Kong HAS presented his ideas on the physical aspects of FR as theories. In further references to that idea he may not have made it clear that is a theory, but you cant expect him to repost it everytime someone asks a question instead of reading previous threads. People have injured themselves doing Penis Enlargement. Why don't you attack DLD for being irresponsible and causing harm to others? Be you agree that having a larger penis would be cool. However you do not believe the FR is cool, therefore you call it into question. Can Kong back most of what he says with acceptable proof? Nope. Can DLD? Nope. But they both do the best they can, SIMPLY TO HELP OTHER MEN.

I appreciate the hard work and dedication that Kong has put into FR. Whether his ideas prove incorrect in the future is not the point. He is doing more than anyone else to further what we are trying to do here. If you do not like it, you need to counter him using the same type of evidence that you are demanding of him. It simply is not available. I really wish that the people who do not like Kong's approach would make constructive criticism on why it is wrong, not just that they think he does not have enough evidence. I want FR to forward, and that can't happen, when all our time is spent is self-defense. This is what we choose to do, and we are doing the best we can. Some real help would be great.

Forcing us to keep defending ourselves is the point, raffiki. Keeps us from "recruiting"! :D Oh well...things are going to change pretty soon, I think.