Attitude toward parents?

Here is what I said:

"Which nations circumcize their children the most? The US, Israel, and Muslim nations. Which nations are the most violent, war-mongering and aggressive? The US, Israel and Muslim nations. Think I'm crazy? Well, you're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine."

Here is how I was replied to:

"Jesus Christ...I think that is entirely overstated, crazy, and sorry bro' but I think it's also propoganda bullshit...this is such propoganda bullshit...I am not harping on anyone's personal beliefs but when general and absurd statements like that are made, something has to be said...A total female circumsizition is a totally different case...you, yourself, don't understand the situation in the slightest bit...I never made any negative statements about FR in the past, and I have never ever overstepped my boundaries and made my personal opinions of FR known at all...How in the name of Allah/Jesus/Buddah would pulling on your foreskin scar make your nuts hang lower? How does that even correlate to anything?...No...........here is a link for you, www.dictionary.com...anyone with two eyes and 5 brain cells can see right through this transparent rebuttal of yours...You don't have a theory to stand on, you have become outrageoulsy overzealous...First off, you don't have a theory, that is so ridiculous... Kong, you beleve it to be that I don't have a rebuttal but what you say is so mind bogglingly absurd that it's hard to even give it any credentials..Talk about a void and utterly pointless statement.........I felt Kong's claims... have grown and grown on this forum to almost ridiculous levels...I think we need to let this crap of a thread die"

AC, as someone who says "I truly have no negative feeling towards those that seek the use of FR" in one post and then "And both devices have no basis of science to stand on when they spout their unbelievable benefits" in a later one, I feel you need to maybe come clear on where you stand on the issue of circumcision and foreskin restoration.

Maybe I am overzealous, but you are obviously conflicted about it.

AC, you keep going on and on about it even after I posted this, clearly admitting I was wrong:

"I was honestly thinking that circumcision led men to be more aggressive, but after reading your posts I realize that it is a far more complex issue, and has more to do with the governing forces than a physiological response. Calling me an idiot and a nutcase didn't make me see it, but your well thought posts did!"

Do you want blood or something, dude? You have anger management issues!

I knew you'd say that I edited and took everything out of context. That's sad...and so very not true. It is what it is, and you said what you said. You have this fault where you can never back down from an argument, and never are wrong, AC. Plus you positively lose your cool when confronted by this whole circumcision thing. You've done it time and time again. If you don't want to do it and feel it is all just in our heads, then why get steamed? I feel sorry for you. You're ire almost makes me rethink my original theory!

I would rather read Kong's positive, inspirational post's than some of this other bullshit. I'm a believer.

AC, I love you, man!

I don't feel bad about my body, my beliefs or my comments here. I believe I spoke and responded with clarity. I am not trying to deceive anyone. I am not a scam artist or a fool. Perhaps, you wish I were.

When I speak of the benefits of foreskin restoration, I almost always qualify them with "for some men" or "if you were tightly circed" or "may help". I always try to remember to do that because of members like you, although sometimes I forget.

You are being very inflammatory when you label me as a nutcase or a scam artist.

Because there is so much reluctance and even outright prejudice against FR, I always try to qualify what benefits I say a person may experience-- unless I am talking to a fellow FR enthusiast, who knows and has experienced the truth!

As far as your claims that everyone is coming down on cut guys nowadays...grow up! How many times do you think an uncut guy has had to endure comments like "smells bad" and "looks ugly" and "gives women cancer"? Your whining about us FR enthusiasts making you cut guys feel bad makes me laugh. Sounds a little like "white man burden" whining to me. Why begrudge a few guys their pride in trying to return to their natural state...unless it threatens you somehow.

You dispute the benefits, though they are well documented by many men-- hundreds if not thousands here and all over the net-- or blow them out of proportion so that they seem to be outrageous and sili. The benefits of FR are hard to explain, because they are subtle, yet at the same time, amazing. You anti-fr guys attack us for being excited when we experience a benefit-- yet at the same time, post in 107 pt red type when you make a .15" gain in girth. Discrimination! I cry. Prejudice! I cry. Stop trying to grind us out. Stop trying to shut us up. Leave us alone and stop trying to make us sound like crackpots. You want to talk about your dick and its size...let us talk about our dicks and its natural functioning...and stay out of our debates about our feelings concerning circumcision...because ONE) You don't understand TWO) You don't even WANT to understand and THREE) You ARE truly prejudiced against us because you do not believe what we are saying.

Buddy, just because you don't believe doesn't mean its not true.

If you think your belief makes something real or not real, then you have serious mental issues.

I don't think anyone who follows this thread closely is going to be confused with where we stand on the issues, AC. I rest my case and trust everyone to decide on their own interpretation. Just who is the propagandist here? Decide for yourself!

What a treat to not be wrapped up in the FR debate! One thought: the claim that judeo/christian/muslim countries are more violent due to circumcision (Kong, I understand this is just your opinion not based on fact or research, and you're not trying to tell anybody otherwise) has a few quagmires. For starters, the countries mentioned have violent histories that predate circumcision. Geopolitical aggression at the moment is actually low compared to past centuries, and yet circumcision didn't exist widely outside of jewish culture before the victorian era, I believe. To cite a fairly cliched example, the most aggressive military forces of the 20th century (Germany and Japan, to an extent Russia) were not circumcised anyways.

The Brits, the founders of global aggression and imperialism, who shipped out and conquered a a good chunk of the world with guns and battleships - not circumcised. French, Dutch, Belgian, really any of the colonialists, not circumcised. America, the civil-war, one of the bloodiest conflicts in all of history - not many people circumcised yet. And what if a nation's leadership is circumcised, but the population is uncut? Or the other way around. Will there be an uprising? Will the people demand peace/war?

Also, some of the most violent and dangerous places on earth right now (such as Sudan, The Ivory Coast) are not likely to have high circumcision levels. A nation's level of aggression and global activity is dependent upon it's history, position, and leadership. By the way, Israel is aggressive because they had to be in order to survive, and they are still attacked daily. They fight back, and of course aren't innocent bystanders, but suggesting that their politics are shaped by not having foreskins is so dodgy I won't even get into it. If you find that to be unfair, track down an Israelite and say "Hey guy, so don't you think all the problems over there are really just you all being circumcised? I mean really, isn't that more logical?" I don't believe the reaction will be favorible, so, you know, at your own risk.

And finally, this whole idea is dependent on the clause that uncircumcised men are somehow dramatically less sexually satisfied, and this somehow builds up in some societal energy bank that eventually turns a nation towards violence and conquest. Hence, FR is the key to world peace! At long last! I hope the Nobel people check out Penis Enlargement forums every once in a while . . . Well, I just think it sounds a little bit like something my old smoking buddies from university would say to get a laugh. Speaking of university, I'll stick with what my instructors taught me there; that the mechanics of global politics, the international system, and most importantly history, are immensely complicated and many very intelligent people spend entire lifetimes attempting to understand them. Or it could be the foreskins.

Now don't get all huffy on me Kong, I'm just having a bit of fun

No, swank. I admitted in an earlier post that my opinion about that was junk. Actually, all I said was that the most aggressive nation right this moment were also the nations that were more likely to circ. AC turned that into me saying that circed men were more violent. At first, I was like, Yeah, okay, right, that's what I think, and then I thought about it and decided, No, that's not true...mainly from reading iwants good posts about it. Still, I do believe there is a correlation. Maybe a weak, incidental one, but still there nonetheless. Probably more to do with oppressive/aggressive religio-political ideas than any physical cause.