Attitude toward parents?

I'm working on foreskin restoration now, since I was cut at birth. I've been using taping, which I didn't really like. Now I'm using an o-ring, and I have noticed that my glans seems smoother. I'm fairly new to this, so i haven't really looked into other methods.

How do any of you who were also cut at birth feel about your parents having you to be circumcised or authorizing the doctor to circumcise? I haven't really thought about this much.

Here's my story about my FR and my parents...

My wife is very supportive of my FR, for the obvious reasons, and has been very anti-circ since she watched a video on the net of a circ being performed on a baby. It was the standard circ, done without painkillers, with the baby strapped down. It made her cry, actually. She wanted me to watch it and I just couldn't do it. I am too squeamish. Seeing her in tears and declaring, "It's horrible! It's horrible!" pretty much did it for me.

I was circed at birth and have no memory of it. I never saw my father's penis so I did not know if he was cut or not. I mentioned to my wife that I wondered if my dad was cut and why my mom had me cut, but it is nothing I felt comfortable asking my mother. Well, my wife is shameless, and she brought it up to my mother a little later, when I wasn't around.

She said that my mother was shocked about my FR and said that uncut men were disgusting and nasty and that, of course, my dad was cut and she would never have sex with an uncut man. My wife tried to explain to her about what FR is all about, but she didn't care. My mother told my wife to make me stop doing FR before I gave her cervical cancer or something... :D

Well, that answered all my questions, pretty much...

I don't hold anything against my mother or father, tho. 33 yrs ago, when I was born, it was a pretty standard thing, and people are only now learning the truth about circumcision. Circumcision is an institutionalized practice, and there is still alot of ignorance and predjudice against uncut men here in the US, so I see no need to hold it against your parents and be angry at them. More than likely, they just didn't know the truth.

I don't really feel angry at them either. If that's just what people thought back then...well now we know better. I'm also trying to improve my relationship with my dad. We've never really been that close and bringing something up like, "Hey, why did you have my foreskin taken off without me being able to have some say in it, ect." just doesn't feel right.

I think a lot of the people who are pro-circumcision are arguing for it kind of as a mental defense. They got cut, or had their kids cut, and since they don't know that foreskin restoration is out there, they can't accept the idea that they made a permanent mistake. They come up with false rationalizations to mentally shield them from the idea that they hurt themselves or others.

This might sound kind of strange, but I almost feel that from being cut, I have this burden or duty to not just restore myself, but to help bring this whole madness of infant circumcision to an end.

I can't talk to my dad about it because he died a few years ago. He was a very quiet and private man, so I don't think I would say anything to him about it even if he was alive. Like you said, there's really no reason to be angry at your parents about it.

About the mental defense thing, you are dead right. You should have seen the opposition to my ideas here on MOS when I first began to preach this. People just got crazy about it! It is finally being accepted here, but only because my constant yapping about it desensitized them to the issue, I think.

It is a really huge issue. This practice is horrifying when you really think about it. We are slicing off the most sensitive and important part of the penis, and why?!?! It's no wonder people get up in arms about it when you bring it up, because it is nothing more than mutilation...sexual mutilation aimed at men...and the only reason it is done, in reality, is to diminish our sexuality...keep us working like good little drones, keep us fighting like good little soldiers...think I'm going overboard? Think about it. Really, really think about it...

Which nations circumcize their children the most? The US, Israel, and Muslim nations. Which nations are the most violent, war-mongering and aggressive? The US, Israel and Muslim nations. Think I'm crazy? Well, you're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine.

AncientChina said:

Circumsiztions have no proof of making people more prone to being "violent", and "war mongering", this makes absolutely no sense and is way out of context. .

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I dont think that is what he meant AC....

kong1971 said:

About the mental defense thing, you are dead right. You should have seen the opposition to my ideas here on MOS when I first began to preach this. People just got crazy about it! It is finally being accepted here, but only because my constant yapping about it desensitized them to the issue, I think.

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It got pretty heated on both sides though. You had FR enthusiasts calling others idiots for not doing FR the same as you had other people saying FR was crazy and pointless.

For me it is completely the other way round with social views. I live in the UK and girls think it is weird to have a part of the penis cut off, they want to know when and why etc. I actually dont feel like I can go back to having a sex life at all until I am restored, as I just don't feel right without my skin any more.

AncientChina said:

Then what did he mean, how did I read that wrong?

The implication of Muslim's doesn't even make sense at all, on a majority Muslims are NOT circumsized.

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I think Kong meant by supressing our sexual pleasure (and turning our mentality away from it)by hacking our skin off would make us as he said "better little worker drones, and better little soldiers" in the quote: most violent, war-mongering, aggressive countries in the world :clank:

I dont think he meant that getting circumsized turns you into a nutcase (thats what I understood of what you said) :D

Actually, AC, you took my implications exactly right, but don't speak unless you know the issues. Muslims don't circumcise? OMFG! Dude, do some research. Circumcision in the Muslim world is considered MANDATORY! Perhaps, if you were wrong about something as big as Muslim's not circumcising, you should consider the possibility that you are wrong about other things...for instance, circumcision leading to more aggressive behavior in men because of physically altered sexuality.

Here is a link to a web page of Muslim circumcision. It is not anti-circ, by the way. It is only about Muslim tradition, written by Muslims, tho some of it is unintentionally hair-raising for Restorer's who have come out of the dark. Horrible! Horrible! And they talk about how wonderful and revered the tradition is...yuck! "Fingering the boy until he is erect and then cutting off the foreskin?" That made me want to vomit. It's no wonder this world is so fucked up.

http://www.circlist.com/rites/moslem.html

PS-- You can throw Korea right up there on the list, too. Forgot about them. They are at 90% circ now. They should start a war with someone pretty soon! :D

Muslims also circ their girls in many countries, which renders the girl sexually without feeling.

I do not try to put forth the idea that I know everything there is to know about circumcision-- like you, AC, by so hysterically disputing every theory I put forth. I am only offering up my questions and opinions about the issue.

How can you say for a fact that circumcision DOESN'T lead to more aggressive behavior? As you said, there have been no scientific studies of its effect on male behavior? I don't know about you, but I don't like the idea of a medical procedure being done to me against my will that has not been thoroughly researched. There have been studies done on babies that have shown a MARKED difference in the behavior of baby boys who were left intact compared to those who were cut. Some of the differences in cut infants were higher heart rate, poorer quality of sleep, lower tolerance for pain, increased sensitivity to loud noises and quick movements. In other words, these babies exhibited signs of post-traumatic stress disorder. Who knows what the implication of that would mean long-term?

As far as defending Israel-- I think you are being overly sympathetic to them. Israel seems to me to be very good at putting forth the "poor, poor Israel" image. I am not unsympathetic towards their country, but I follow the news as well and they are just as aggressive and violent, at times, as their Muslim counterparts.

I am by no means an expert is sociology. Perhaps I am even putting the cart ahead of the horse. Perhaps circumcision is not the cause of an aggressive society but an effect. Aggressive people mutilating themselves and their children instead of mutilation causing agresssion. Whatever the case, by saying that there is no visible correlation, you are pretty much blowing your whole argument, because there is obviously a corelation. After all, when was the last time you saw Sweden attack its neighbor? Police in England don't even carry guns, for Pete's sake!

You also say the link I offered was anti-circ, when the opposite is true. circlist is the most PRO-circumcision site on the net. They are the enemy, call us restorers crackpots and nuts when all we want to do is to educate people about sexual mutilation (yeah, that makes us crazy!) The only reason I selected the article from them was because it seemed informative and relatively unbiased (for THEM). The very fact that you found the articles offensive and thought them anti-circ shows that, in the back of your head, you know the practice is wrong and that we restorers are right. I hope that you will come out of denial soon-- I'll personally welcome you into the light.

Come on, AC. It's bright and warm and pretty out here! Let me give you a hand!

FR has been discussed, at least on some level, for years. I remember reading about it 5 years ago with the first Penis Enlargement manual I purchased online. What were the purported benefits back when I initially heard of it? More sensation during sex. Now this is believable to me. However, every few weeks you or someone else will state some new benefit to FR. First you were saying that it would make your nuts drop, then it would end peyroine's disease, then it would increase libido...Now these are a little far fetched to me. THEN, you really upped the ante saying that circumcision reduces penis size by 2 inches. Now this, circumcision is the cause of all the war in the world today.

I don't think you are a bad guy, but I see this as propaganda, a way to mobilize idiots, so to speak. We saw the same thing with the ROP and FR is becoming no different in my opinion. Whereas the ROP started out as an erection aid it ended up being the magical "cure" for any problem in the world. It would make you grow a few inches in your dick, make you taller, triple your test., make your nuts drop to the floor, clear your skin, better sleep, ect... The list goes on and on. I am sorry to say this to you but I see FR heading in the same direction. I think you should stick to the mechanics of how to regrow foreskin and not make melodramatic statements like you did in this post and many others.

-Skepdick

FR has been discussed, at least on some level, for years. I remember reading about it 5 years ago with the first Penis Enlargement manual I purchased online. What were the purported benefits back when I initially heard of it? More sensation during sex. Now this is believable to me. However, every few weeks you or someone else will state some new benefit to FR.

That's because we are discovering the benefits as we go. I have not DONE this, I am DOING it, like we all are DOING IT. What's so crazy about one restorer saying, "Hey, my nuts are hanging lower." Then another saying, "Mine, too." And then all of us discovering that FR will make your nuts hang lower. That's what a forum is for, after all. Does it make your nuts hang lower? Several of us has found that it has so far.

First you were saying that it would make your nuts drop, then it would end peyroine's disease, then it would increase libido...Now these are a little far fetched to me. THEN, you really upped the ante saying that circumcision reduces penis size by 2 inches. Now this, circumcision is the cause of all the war in the world today.

I never said it would end peyroine's disease. I do believe that it can help straighten your cock if a tight circ caused it to curve. Look at my progress pics. I am by no means done, but I have obviously increased my size and straightened out some of my curve.

Libido is partly a mental thing. If FR increases sexual pleasure, don't you think your libido would increase? I know mine has, as has the libido of everyone who has tried it. If it feels better, you're going to want it more, right?

As far as FR helping increase the size of the penis...dude, how many people have to say they've experienced it before you believe it? :D I've read medical reports that say that circumcision MAY reduce the penis by as much as 20% in length. I think this only applies to men who had gotten very tight circs. It all sounds very plausible to me that scar tissue and lack of skin can cause some of the penile shaft to be trapped. I don't understand why so many guys get so aggravated at that statement. If you really want to learn more about it, there are hundreds of forums, online diaries and mailing groups you can visit and read about these claims-- none of them commercial like the pro-circ sites. Of course, if you are predisposed to the idea that circumcision is only benevolent and causes no harm whatsoever, then your mind is already closed, and I am wasting my time trying to convince you. You're already decided. Me, I like to keep an open mind.

I don't think you are a bad guy, but I see this as propaganda, a way to mobilize idiots, so to speak. We saw the same thing with the ROP and FR is becoming no different in my opinion. Whereas the ROP started out as an erection aid it ended up being the magical "cure" for any problem in the world. It would make you grow a few inches in your dick, make you taller, triple your test., make your nuts drop to the floor, clear your skin, better sleep, ect... The list goes on and on. I am sorry to say this to you but I see FR heading in the same direction. I think you should stick to the mechanics of how to regrow foreskin and not make melodramatic statements like you did in this post and many others.

If I thought you guys were idiots, I wouldn't bother trying to convince you. I do think some of you have a severe case of denial and get overly emotional about the issue, which indicates suppressed feelings. I am pretty mellow about it all until I get personally attacked.

There is propoganda involved with circumcision, but it is the side of the circumcisers who use it. "Cut off your penis," they say, "And you won't have premature ejaculation...you won't look different...you won't smell bad...you won't give your wife cervical cancer..." Lord, can't you see through this to the truth...? All I'm saying is, THINK FOR YOURSELF. LEARN THE TRUTH BEHIND THE SMOKESCREEN.

FR is nothing like the ROP. If anything, FR delivers what the ROP only promised. Does it cost anything? NOPenis Enlargement!!! Is it a quick fix? NOPenis Enlargement!!! Am I gaining anything for the time and energy I invest in trying to spread this message? NOPenis Enlargement!!!! Do I delete the posts of anyone who try to call me into question? NOPenis Enlargement!!!

Call my motives into question if you like. I gain nothing from teaching you guys about foreskin restoration and its benefits besides personal satisfaction.

But you can't have it two ways. In many statements it is made as if being circed makes a man have far less testoserone, a smaller penis, less intense orgasms and erection, and yet you want us to believe that being circed also makes a male more violent....but wait wouldn't having limited "sexual ability and hormonal levels" lead to a male to be less aggressive?

Again, you are trying to twist my words to fit your own world-view, AC. I'm not trying to have it both ways. Here is my THEORY: "Circumcision reduces sexual satisfaction in males. Because that sexual energy is diverted, one of its outlets MAY BE aggression." That's it. That's my whole theory. To test that theory, I looked at the level of aggression and violence perpetrated by different societies. Even though these disparate countries have vastly different politics, economies, population pressures, religious beliefs and customs, the most aggressive nations also seem to be the ones that have a higher circ rate. Is my theory correct? Maybe. Are my facts wrong? Nope. There is a correlation. How does it fit together? Not sure if the chicken came first or the egg. Are they aggressive because they circ, or circ because they're aggressive? I think it's an interesting question.

I never said circumcision makes a man have less test. I do believe that FR makes your nuts hang a little lower...and we all know that sperm production increases when your nuts are kept at a cooler temp. I think the difference is tangible, but very small, but it could explain why some of us who are doing FR feel extra horny.

Still, I don't think any of the stuff I say is particularly earth-shaking. I don't see any need to get angry or hysterical about any of it. Just things that make you think.

Most of this is going around as if it is practical science, and guys believe whole heartily that FR will give them this magical size increase, make their test go up, and such, when in fact all they are doing is simply tugging on their loose circed foreskin....why must we paint a miracle of the mind as a factual one? I am not arguing that FR can give guys huge mental boosts and a sense of something great, but on paper it doesn't transfer into incredible surreal effects. It seems to be more mental.

Mmmmm-kay...(looking at dick...yep, it's bigger... ) Hey guys, is your's bigger. What's that? It is? Cool!

Everyday the claims against circumsized men get larger and larger, first it was just simply that circed men were smaller, but now what is being said now I had to speak my mind. I don't like getting into these debates and such, but something said in that manner is a absurd enough to do so.

Personally, I love a good debate. Anything that might make someone think for themself is aces in my book. If they think about it, they might try it...and once they try it, they're convinced. I think that says it all. Once you jump that first mental hurdle and admit to yourself that circumcision is NOT GOOD, and that you were wronged, then alot of things begin to click. It is hard to describe the feeling of it unless you make that first leap of faith...

Kong, you're very wrong about your views on Israel. Look at all the facts, and read some history, too. Watching the current and 'biased' news from CNN or BBC won't get you half the truth you're supposed to know. Do your own throrough and deep reasearch before making stupid remarks.

Although your intentions seem good, you have several 'holes' in your knowledge. Being a 'moderator', people will listen to you more, set an example for the rest by preaching something that you know about.... otherwise, let me tell you, you're starting to sound like an idiot.

I've never been politically correct... I also never attack people personally unless they attack me first...such as by calling me an idiot. Have I no right to my opinion? As far as CNN and BBC, I do not watch television because it dulls the mind. You wouldn't think I was biased or stupid if I agreed with you, now would you?

SyncMaster said:

Although your intentions seem good, you have several 'holes' in your knowledge. Being a 'moderator', people will listen to you more, set an example for the rest by preaching something that you know about.... otherwise, let me tell you, you're starting to sound like an idiot.

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Very interesting. I have a slightly differing opinion. People do not necessarily
believe the MODS, however they are probably very resistant to post opinions that differ from them as it is customary to get flamed and ganged up on.

Flame away! When I am wrong, I admit it. If I don't know about something, I say so or ask. However, I am entitled to my opinions, even if you don't agree with them.

AC...I AM a circumcised male! I just figured, if the idea didn't offend me, it wouldn't offend others. I am not talking about another group, but a group I myself belong to...at least, for now...:D

If you disagree with my theory, disprove it. I will admit I'm wrong if you show me.

I am also very aware of the history and the situation of Israel and the middle east. I restated over and over that it was an issue I was curious about and that I may be wrong, but I did want to explore the idea.

The only debate I get is that it shouldn't be talked about at all! What kind of an answer is that. "Shut up." That's all you are saying. Guess what, that's the same kind of debating I heard when I brought up FR in the first place:

"Shut up, asshole! You're not supposed to talk about that!"

I relent. If you don't want to discuss it, I won't.

Kong we're all open to the idea of FR here. No one said that we don't want to discuss it. Some of us just don't like the kind of blanket statements you make that it will end any sexual problem a man might have; enlarging the dick, straightening the dick, dropping the nuts, increasing sensation, increasing libido, reducing tension and promoting world peace. There is some evidence that FR might give more sensation and pleasure to a man during sex. Even this cannot be proven and I really don't think the benefits of FR go any further than this. My circumsized dick functions just like that of men in other cultures with their foreskin in tact. And to say that getting cut will decrease your size potential is definately hog wash. If that were the case men in America would be smaller on average than the rest of the world and we are not. In fact, I have read surveys that put us a fraction of an inch up on the world as a whole.