Pros/Cons of Specific Equipment

[kyomoto]

Length Equipment-



Lengthmaster(http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/lengthmaster-forum/83730-length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-2014-a.html)
Pros:
-Can act as a hanger
-Can provide more intense stretching than manuals
-Comes with [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]ACE[/words] wrap and Theraband wrap for wrapping
-Comes with rope for hanging
-Can stretch the penis from every angle
-Water proof (You can use in shower)
Cons:
-Time consuming, hours for a session


BIB Hanger(http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/hanging-around-penis-enlargement-hanging/3679-bib-product-guide-wrapping-example-homemade-hangers-sample-hanging-routine-etc.html)
Pros:
-Very high tension is possible
-You know exactly how much tension is being generated
-Workout is "hands free"
-Grips well
-Tutorial mentioned on [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MoS[/words] forums
Cons:
-Injuries more common with this method
-Often uncomfortable even with adequate padding
-Cannot be done in public
-Takes time to master


Male Hanger 2(http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/hanging-around-penis-enlargement-hanging/85516-introducing-malehanger-2-the-best-overall-weight-hanger-value-49-99-a.html)
Pros:
-Very high tension is possible
-You know exactly how much tension is being generated
-Workout is "hands free"
-Grips great and doesn't slip
-Great value ($49.99)
-Best 'how to' detailed instructions featuring step by step pictures as well as videos.
-Flexibility in payment options. Most payment forms accepted through PayPal. Credit cards, debit cards, 'E-checks', pre paid cards. "Stillwantmore2" also takes Western Union, money orders, bank checks/cashiers' check, cash, and now Bitcoin.
-Customers can contact and seek assistance directly from me, the manufacturer. I care if you succeed and will do my best to help.
-If something wears out, or breaks, no problem. Send "Stillwantmore2" an email with a picture of the issue and he will replace the part, or if needed, the entire device for the cost of shipping.
Cons:
-Injuries more common with this method
-Often uncomfortable even with adequate padding
-Cannot be done in public
-There is a small learning curve with Malehanger. However, read and follow the directions, work with Stillwantmore2 by email.
-Like any method that actually works, permanently, it takes time to use. 20 minutes a day minimum. 40-60 minutes daily is needed for results. Customers have seen success with only 20 minutes a day, but they tend to be totally new to PE.
-Stillwantmore2 does not accept returns. Malehanger is an 'adult novelty'. It comes into direct contact with the genitals and once it has been removed from the packaging, he has no way of knowing what you have done with it and does not take chances with his customers safety/physical health.


Phallosan(http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/phallosan-forte/83756-phallosan-forte-24-instant-discount-to-mos-forum-members.html)
Pros:
-Workout is "hands free"
-Progress is easy to track and forecast
-Comfortable can be worn all day
-Can actually go above most [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extenders[/words] on the tension chart(Get a baggage weight checked and pull test it's far more then other [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extenders[/words])
-Can be worn in many different directions
-Van easily be modified to be used with any rod based [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words]
Cons:
-Requires constant supervision
-Maximum tension possible is very light
-Must be worn for many total hours to see results
-Can be uncomfortable without adequate padding
-The condoms that come with it are not the best and should be replaced with silicone sleeves


SizeGenetics(http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/sizegenetics-penis-extender-ads-forum/60897-help-with-the-sizegenetics-device.html)
Pros:
-Progress is easy to track and forecast
-Workout is "hands free"
-Extends the penis for long periods of time
-Easy and good stretching
-Has a modification for more intensity --> http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/sizegenetics-penis-extender-ads-forum/88696-size-genetics-modification.html
Cons:
-Requires constant supervision
-Maximum tension possible is very light
-Must be worn for many total hours to see results
-Can be uncomfortable without adequate padding
-Pain in the ass to put on and take off throughout the day
-Possibly not concealable through clothing
-Need to take off to restore circulation


Power Assist(http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/power-assist-forum/15756-the-power-assist-videos-get-a-power-assist-and-get-started.html)
Pros:
-Many different manual exercises
-Cheap in value
-Stretches are much more intense than normal hand stretches
Cons:
-Hard to master



Girth Equipment-



Bathmate(http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/bathmate-hercules-goliath-hydromax-x20-x30-x40-x50-and-hydromax-xtreme-hydropump-forum/88723-the-all-new-bathmate-hydromax-x50-xtreme-hydro-penis-pump-is-here-with-discounts.html)
Pros:
-Water based pump for intense girth expansion
-Has a modification for more intensity --> http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/bathmate-hercules-goliath-hydromax-x20-x30-x40-x50-and-hydromax-xtreme-hydropump-forum/63573-simple-mod-to-increase-vacuum-pressure.html
-Immediate temporary size increase
-Expressive stretching with VacuVin Mod
-Easy to clean
Cons:
-Bad reputation for "easy gains", people need to understand how to use it properly
-Uses lots of water
-Little painful/uncomfortable at first
-Scrotum Suction, when not used properly
-Discoloration MAY happen


Penomet(http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penomet-official-penis-pump-forum/68644-penomet-faq-official-thread.html)
Pros:
-Water based pump for intense girth expansion
-Has a modification for more intensity --> http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penomet-official-penis-pump-forum/75856-penomet-wine-vac-mod.html
-Immediate temporary size increase
-Expressive stretching with WineVac Mod
-Easy to clean
Cons:
-Bad reputation for "easy gains", people need to understand how to use it properly
-Uses lots of water
-Little painful/uncomfortable at first
-Scrotum Suction, when not used properly
-Discoloration MAY happen


Cock Ring
Pros:
-Stay in a healed state after girth work
-Prevents turtling
-Cheap (Inexpensive)
-Discreet (No one will ever know you're wearing it)
-Can be used for expressive stretching
-Can be used for lasting longer or for edging
-Can be used for jelqs, specially lower shaft/ base jelqs
Cons:
-Depending on the material finish it can pull your skin/hair (use some lube)
-Due to long periods used it can expand a little.


Clamping Tool(http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/redzulu-s-penis-clamping-universe/88967-malehanger-penis-clamp-yep-still-available.html)
Pros:
-Major expansion for long periods of time
-Very effective
-Cheap in value
Cons:
-Dangerous if not eased into exercises
-Severely restricts or even cuts off blood flow by squeezing very hard around the penis





*Links to the products are in parenthesis next to the name*

 

[kyomoto]

If you guys want to share your pros and cons I will summarize them for each piece of equipment. I have filled them partially since I have partial experience with the pieces mentioned. Let me know if I'm missing something.

 

[kyomoto]

I like the idea of your post. You should of mentioned also LG hanger wich also does bundle stretchs. I would voice my opinion on some of these for i either have owned or do own now. But it seems like if i dont agree with what is sold or recommend it turns out to be nothing but an argument. Like what happened with the pf thread..the cheapest but most expensive strecher out there that doesnt do what it claims. Hope this turns out good..

Alright ill add the LG hanger maybe tomorrow or later today. Go ahead and give your opinion, I need pros and cons for these

 

[acromegaly]

i can only comment on devices i have used

bathmate
pros:
-immediate temporary size increase
-center of a good girth routine
cons:
-gets a rep for "easy gains" so people use incorrectly

extender
pros:
-probably the only [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] that can actually bring gains
-relatively comfortable
cons:
-pain in the ass to put on and take off throughout the day + takes a lot of time in device for gains
-possibly not concealable through clothing
[words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]lengthmaster[/words]
pros:
-can stretch the penis from every angle
-comfortable and gets even better with practice
cons:
-takes a lot of time in the device for gains


Overall with the 3 PE devices I have tried the pros outweigh the cons, if enlargement is what you seek then you need devices to make your life easier. I honestly can't imagine having to use only manual methods.

 

[kyomoto]

i can only comment on devices i have used

bathmate
pros:
-immediate temporary size increase
-center of a good girth routine
cons:
-gets a rep for "easy gains" so people use incorrectly

extender
pros:
-probably the only [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] that can actually bring gains
-relatively comfortable
cons:
-pain in the ass to put on and take off throughout the day + takes a lot of time in device for gains
-possibly not concealable through clothing

[words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]lengthmaster[/words]
pros:
-can stretch the penis from every angle
-comfortable and gets even better with practice
cons:
-takes a lot of time in the device for gains


Overall with the 3 PE devices I have tried the pros outweigh the cons, if enlargement is what you seek then you need devices to make your life easier. I honestly can't imagine having to use only manual methods.

when you say [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] which one specifically

 

[Big Schwanz Acht]

CR, additional 'Pro'...dirt cheap
[words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] additional 'Pro'...expressive stretches are more intense (must use w/VV mod to provide adequate suction)
[words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] additional 'Con'...expect your hot water bill to double :blush:
[words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words] additional 'Con...not water-proof (I'd get more out of the stretch if I could do it in a hot shower)

 

[kyomoto]

CR, additional 'Pro'...dirt cheap
[words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] additional 'Pro'...expressive stretches are more intense (must use w/VV mod to provide adequate suction)
[words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] additional 'Con'...expect your hot water bill to double :blush:
[words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words] additional 'Con...not water-proof (I'd get more out of the stretch if I could do it in a hot shower)

Perfect thank you. Keep it coming guys, this will help many people and newbies decide what they want in their PE toolkit

 

[stillwantmore]

Great idea. I will try to add some stuff here Monday.

 

[kyomoto]

Great idea. I will try to add some stuff here Monday.

Thank you. Everyone's help is appreciated.

 

[the boss!]

Bathmate
Pros: 1. Easy to clean.


Cons: 1. Little painful/uncomfortable at first.(No pain no gains)
2. Scrotum Suction, when not used properly or with lube on your skin.(There's always gonna be a little SS, it just don't hurts)


Cock ring
Pros: 1. It's very discreet.(No one will ever know you're wearing it)
2. With the right size it can be used for expressive stretches.
3.With the right size it can be used for lasting longer or for edging.(obviously pc muscle it's more constricted and you can feel so clearly every kegel or reverse kegel)
4.With the right size it can be used for jelqs, specially lower shaft/ base jelqs.

Cons: 1. Depending on the material finish it can pull your skin/hair.(use some lube)
2. Due to long periods used it can expand a little. (nothing to serious)

 

[kyomoto]

Bathmate
Pros: 1. Easy to clean.


Cons: 1. Little painful/uncomfortable at first.(No pain no gains)
2. Scrotum Suction, when not used properly or with lube on your skin.(There's always gonna be a little SS, it just don't hurts)


Cock ring
Pros: 1. It's very discreet.(No one will ever know you're wearing it)
2. With the right size it can be used for expressive stretches.
3.With the right size it can be used for lasting longer or for edging.(obviously pc muscle it's more constricted and you can feel so clearly every kegel or reverse kegel)
4.With the right size it can be used for jelqs, specially lower shaft/ base jelqs.

Cons: 1. Depending on the material finish it can pull your skin/hair.(use some lube)
2. Due to long periods used it can expand a little. (nothing to serious)

Great post. You guys are helping many brothers here. Thanks for the input. I've edited the original post with most of your guys cons and pros.

 

[stillwantmore]

Hopefully we can Sticky this thread. Should be a good resource.

 

[LONGERDICK7+]

whit the PF the cons would be the sleeves when breaking them...but the PF is a useful device..

The [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words] love it but when motivation is low i just cant have my sess LOL

 

[kyomoto]

Hopefully we can Sticky this thread. Should be a good resource.

This is what im hoping for

 

[Big Schwanz Acht]

Kyo, for your first 'sticky' I'll ask Rock to send you a certificate!

 

[huge-girth]

whit the PF the cons would be the sleeves when breaking them...but the PF is a useful device..

The [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words] love it but when motivation is low i just cant have my sess LOL

The PF is for people that are not serious with PE. The [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]length master[/words] is far superior to the PF.

 

[BIGDADDYBOOTYBREAKER]

Kyo, for your first 'sticky' I'll ask Rock to send you a certificate!

Definitely, we should make it official.

 

[eugine8plz]

Size genetics

Pros: gives a great stretch
Cons: have to take it off every 1-1.5 hours to circulate blood.

Male hanger

Pros:
-grips well and doesn't slip
-great value ($49.99)

 

[kyomoto]

Size genetics

Pros: gives a great stretch
Cons: have to take it off every 1-1.5 hours to circulate blood.

Male hanger

Pros:
-grips well and doesn't slip
-great value ($49.99)

Thanks for the input! I'll update it now

The PF is for people that are not serious with PE. The [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]length master[/words] is far superior to the PF.

I've heard great things about the PF though

Kyo, for your first 'sticky' I'll ask Rock to send you a certificate!

That'd be great. First sticky certificate for kyo, wow!

 

[stillwantmore]

Malehanger

Pros:

Price $49.99 No other hanger on the market that actually works and safely, can beat this price.

Best 'how to' material. Detailed instructions featuring step by step pictures as well as videos.

Flexibility in payment options. Most payment forms accepted through PayPal. Credit cards, debit cards, 'E-checks', pre paid cards. I also take Western Union, money orders, bank checks/cashiers' check, cash, and now Bitcoin.

Customers can contact and seek assistance directly from me, the manufacturer. I care if you succeed and will do my best to help.

If something wears out, or breaks, no problem. Send me an email with a picture of the issue and I will replace the part, or if needed, the entire device for the cost of shipping.

Cons:

There is a small learning curve with Malehanger. However, read and follow the directions, work with me by email a little bit if needed, and with a little patience, you will learn how to use your device.

Like any method that actually works, permanently, it takes time to use. 20 minutes a day minimum. I say that to get a guy going, and once he knows what he's doing, realistically....40-60 minutes daily is needed for results. Some customers have seen success with only 20 minutes a day, but they tend to be totally new to PE with 'virgin' penises.

I do not accept returns. Malehanger is an 'adult novelty'. It comes into direct contact with the genitals and once it has been removed from the packaging, I have no way of knowing what you have done with it and I do not take chances with my customers safety/physical health. Just like you cannot return a sex toy to an adult toy store. Retailers who DO accept returns (BIB for example)......frankly disgust me and should you as well.

 

[DLD]

Excellent idea! I will input my pros and cons also when I have time today.

 

[DLD]

I also like the idea of making the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words] water proof, great thought. Maybe use PVC threads screws and replace any other parts with waterproofing. I believe the actual body of the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words] is waterproof but I would need to ask LIGHTNING.

 

[Big Schwanz Acht]

I think the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words] body is made from MDF (medium density fiberboard) and will absorb any type of moisture rendering it useless...I've been diligent about keeping it from any water and making sure my body is completely dry.
As a side-note, I'm only using the yellow thearaband for wrapping and it seems to be working perfectly, (although I notice a small bit of perspiration between it and my skin after a workout...I'm choosing to look at that as a positive )

 

[Munto]

I also like the idea of making the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words] water proof, great thought. Maybe use PVC threads screws and replace any other parts with waterproofing. I believe the actual body of the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words] is waterproof but I would need to ask LIGHTNING.

Would be great to know or make, then I could use it more often and might call it "long bathing sessions" and get away with it !

 

[DLD]

The [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words] is 100% Waterproof. I just spoke with LIGHTNING and the entire [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words] is waterproof, including surgical stainless steel parts.

 

[kyomoto]

The [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words] is 100% Waterproof. I just spoke with LIGHTNING and the entire [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words] is waterproof, including surgical stainless steel parts.

ill fix the pro con list then

 

[LONGERDICK7+]

thats great can use the both in the bathroom whenever i can

 

[stillwantmore]

Oh yea? Well I can make Malehanger shower friendly...though your weights might rust and I'm not liable if you slip and bust your ass with weight hanging from your dick...explain that one.... with stainless hardware for another $8 or so per device. Hey, that stainless stuff is expensive!

 

[kyomoto]

Oh yea? Well I can make Malehanger shower friendly...though your weights might rust and I'm not liable if you slip and bust your ass with weight hanging from your dick...explain that one.... with stainless hardware for another $8 or so per device. Hey, that stainless stuff is expensive!

Updated the thread with your input and the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]lengthmaster[/words] water proof idea. Thanks guys. There are some devices in need of commentary though like the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words]

Also DLD can we get this thread stickied?

 

[stillwantmore]

And after all the info is eventually collected, it would be great if most or all replies were deleted. Then, it's just one, clean resource. If that makes sense.

 

[huge-girth]

Thanks for the input! I'll update it now


I've heard great things about the PF though


That'd be great. First sticky certificate for kyo, wow!

Whatever great thing you heard about the PF probably came from Newbies. Veterans in PE cannot gain with the PF.

 

[DLD]

And after all the info is eventually collected, it would be great if most or all replies were deleted. Then, it's just one, clean resource. If that makes sense.

Agreed, after all opinions are in I will clean it up.

 

[Big Schwanz Acht]

The [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words] is 100% Waterproof. I just spoke with LIGHTNING and the entire [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words] is waterproof, including surgical stainless steel parts.

I get such a great stretch in the shower and that's why I thought it would be a no-brainer to incorporate. I'm trusting you...The [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words] is my new BFF, so I'd hate for anything to happen to it.

 

[kyomoto]

Whatever great thing you heard about the PF probably came from Newbies. Veterans in PE cannot gain with the PF.

I'll wait for more opinions rather than 1 person.

 

[smitty2590]

Hey kyomoto doing as you asked and listing some pros and cons for the pf.
Pros- 1extremely user friendly
2Comfortable can be worn all day
3Can actually go above most [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extenders[/words] on the tension chart( don't believe me get a baggage weight checked and pull test it's far more then other [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extenders[/words])
4 can be worn in many different directions
5 can easily be modified to be used with any rod based [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words].
Cons-1 the condoms that come with it are junk imo and should be replaced with silacone sleeves asap.
That's honestly the only con I have as it can be worn all day and at any time I don't wear at night time but have friends who do. Hope this helps.

 

[kyomoto]

Hey kyomoto doing as you asked and listing some pros and cons for the pf.
Pros- 1extremely user friendly
2Comfortable can be worn all day
3Can actually go above most [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extenders[/words] on the tension chart( don't believe me get a baggage weight checked and pull test it's far more then other [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extenders[/words])
4 can be worn in many different directions
5 can easily be modified to be used with any rod based [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words].
Cons-1 the condoms that come with it are junk imo and should be replaced with silacone sleeves asap.
That's honestly the only con I have as it can be worn all day and at any time I don't wear at night time but have friends who do. Hope this helps.

This helps so much thank you so much for your input!

 

[smitty2590]

This helps so much thank you so much for your input!

Also one more pro for me since I wear it stretching downward( explained in other thread) it's actually shaped just like a dick so when i wear it in public nothing seems strange. I seriously wear sweat pants all the time in public without any hesitation because it simply looks just like your dick but oversized a bit. Mine looks proportional because I use thick sleeve so the head is larger and the shaft. Don't get me wrong people notice and look but it's not a wtf is on him it's a look you can clearly see his dick. Again this just is easier for me then the rod [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] I had many years back because I could never wear it out in public.

 

[ma999]

Could one explain on [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] con " reputation for easy gains from incorrect usage " not sure I'm understanding what is trying to be said with that wording. One con of the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] is the valves seem to fail a lot. Pro is there excellent customer service.

One con of the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] is, and I'm sure there might be others with opposite experience. From my own and reading many others it's doesn't seem to work good at fixing a curve compared to a traditional [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] worn in the standard method. This is not including modding it. I don't think I read a single post about somebody actually getting results fixing a curve with one.

 

[Commodore]

Whatever great thing you heard about the PF probably came from Newbies. Veterans in PE cannot gain with the PF.

is it the same with Phallogenetics ?
can i not gain with the Phallogenetics ?

 

[DLD]

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[kyomoto]

Could one explain on [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] con " reputation for easy gains from incorrect usage " not sure I'm understanding what is trying to be said with that wording. One con of the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] is the valves seem to fail a lot. Pro is there excellent customer service.

One con of the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] is, and I'm sure there might be others with opposite experience. From my own and reading many others it's doesn't seem to work good at fixing a curve compared to a traditional [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] worn in the standard method. This is not including modding it. I don't think I read a single post about somebody actually getting results fixing a curve with one.

Incorrect usage refers to using [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] in the way it is recommended by the developers which is not going to help you see gains. If you were to use the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] for 30 minutes you'd get what is called fluid retention which swells your skin up with fluid to make you appear bigger temporarily. [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words] however shows a routine for [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] called 5x5x3 which actually gives you good expansion rather than fluid retention and helps better make permanent gains.
[words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]Extenders[/words] aren't designed to fix curvatures so it would not be a con. And could you thoroughly explain what you mean by [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] valve "fail a lot"
Thanks for your input but I need better understanding of what you mean for the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words]. Thank you so much.

 

[ma999]

Extenders aren't designed to fix curvatures so it would not be a con.

They are absolutely designed for correcting curves. They was first designed to treat peyronies disease, and during studies shown Found they can lengthen the penis , then they became marketed towards that. Even the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] website talks about its ability for curve correction, but nobody as far as I read has actually fixed a curve with one.

On valves on my past two, I went through 10 of them. Others also have experienced a high turn over rate on which they needed to be replaced, or they stoped using them all together and use the wine vac mod.

 

[kyomoto]

They are absolutely designed for correcting curves. They was first designed to treat peyronies disease, and during studies shown Found they can lengthen the penis , then they became marketed towards that. Even the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] website talks about its ability for curve correction, but nobody as far as I read has actually fixed a curve with one.

On valves on my past two, I went through 10 of them. Others also have experienced a high turn over rate on which they needed to be replaced, or they stoped using them all together and use the wine vac mod.

Really? I never knew. I thought they were meant for making the penis longer hahaha. Well I need more input from others who solely use it for curvature fixture mainly.

 

[huge-girth]

is it the same with Phallogenetics ?
can i not gain with the Phallogenetics ?

Phallogenetics is a different game entirely. That's the new way for using the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] but I think it will be good if you get the new sleeve DLD made.

 

[huge-girth]

They are absolutely designed for correcting curves. They was first designed to treat peyronies disease, and during studies shown Found they can lengthen the penis , then they became marketed towards that. Even the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] website talks about its ability for curve correction, but nobody as far as I read has actually fixed a curve with one.

On valves on my past two, I went through 10 of them. Others also have experienced a high turn over rate on which they needed to be replaced, or they stoped using them all together and use the wine vac mod.

My valve actually fell off from my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]X40[/words] extreme and I couldn't fix it so I throw it out the window. I think this problem comes up after a period of constant usage maybe up to a year or so.

 

[Munto]

My valve actually fell off from my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]X40[/words] extreme and I couldn't fix it so I throw it out the window. I think this problem comes up after a period of constant usage maybe up to a year or so.

Don't you have a warranty, especially with [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words]?

 

[kyomoto]

My valve actually fell off from my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]X40[/words] extreme and I couldn't fix it so I throw it out the window. I think this problem comes up after a period of constant usage maybe up to a year or so.

If the valve came off you should get the vacu vin mod and easily insert it. Unless of course you already have it.

 

[LONGERDICK7+]

My valve actually fell off from my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]X40[/words] extreme and I couldn't fix it so I throw it out the window. I think this problem comes up after a period of constant usage maybe up to a year or so.

Fucking terrible man i have dropped mine a few times luckily is still working and i fucking love it hope mine last till i get to 6+ in girth..

Hope theres a way you can fix that issue...

 

[huge-girth]

Don't you have a warranty, especially with [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words]?

I think I have but frustration made me threw it out the window

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If the valve came off you should get the vacu vin mod and easily insert it. Unless of course you already have it.

I will have to get that mod you talked about next time.

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Fucking terrible man i have dropped mine a few times luckily is still working and i fucking love it hope mine last till i get to 6+ in girth..

Hope theres a way you can fix that issue...

I guess you are lucky bro.

 

[the boss!]

Kyo

On lenghtmaster
Non waterproof as a con its there still