Less oxygen = more growth

[Xxxi]

Hey guys, I don't know if this exact way of thinking has been discussed lately but it seems that people aren't doing it so I'd like to bring it to light.

It seems that when we talk about girth gains, we tend to talk about stretching the tunica. However, Im starting to think there might be a better way. Many of you are probably familiar with the medical literature on the first "penis reduction surgery". If you aren't familiar with it, to sum it up for ya: a 17 year old suffered a couple episodes of priapism and developed a functional megalophallus nearly the size of a football. Sex was impossible for him because of the size, so he got a penis reduction surgery. The penis was fully functional though despite its size. Just too big for penetration into a vagina.

NOW, the interesting part to me is this.. the doctors of that surgery said in the article that the penis had massive amounts of HEALTHY, FIBROUS BLEEDING tissue and smooth muscle. It was not just an overly stretched tunica that could hold more blood. It was actually new tissue growth that resulted from hypoxia (reduced blood oxygen). It's also important to note that his penis grew to this insane size FOLLOWING the priapism, not during.

We know that hypoxia results in growth of collagen and smooth muscle. So why are we not more focused on cutting off blood oxygen more often (for short periods) with the goal of stimulating hypoxic growth of new tissue?

Maybe something along the lines of tying off an erection until the penis turns purple and then releasing for a few minutes and repeating this several times per session to stimulate tissue growth? Any thoughts on this??

Thanks!

 

[LONGERDICK7+]

well sounds a bit too extreme,i tried a similar method but i was doing it while the penis was flaccid i tied a bandage around the glans and tied the other side of the bandage around my ankle,everytime id walk the peniswas getting stretch,didnt get gains at all LOL.

Doing it erect can be a bit better and give different results..would be great if the method you want to try gives you permanent gains...That would be a great change and Could help us all to get quicker gains!

 

[LONGERDICK7+]

I wont let my soldier turn purple. But hey try it and let us know if it worked. And take before and after pics so we know it really worked. Maybe mark your soldier with a marker with a number 1 then matk it again with a number 2 so we know its yours.😉

haha the penis turning purple, that would be a quite bizarre situation

 

[Xxxi]

haha the penis turning purple, that would be a quite bizarre situation

Well if you've ever clamped, then you know that turning purple is easy to do after 10 or 15 minutes. But most people take the clamp off ASAP when this starts to happen. Just wondering if we could leave it on for another few minutes and embrace the low oxygen lol. Maybe do that 5 times per session.

It appears that hypoxia resleases certain growth factors. Googled it this morning (hypoxia) and it definitely seems like this could be the key to tissue growth.

 

[LONGERDICK7+]

Could be interesting to try that, if that works a new method can be added to the list

 

[DLD]

Hey guys, I don't know if this exact way of thinking has been discussed lately but it seems that people aren't doing it so I'd like to bring it to light.

It seems that when we talk about girth gains, we tend to talk about stretching the tunica. However, Im starting to think there might be a better way. Many of you are probably familiar with the medical literature on the first "penis reduction surgery". If you aren't familiar with it, to sum it up for ya: a 17 year old suffered a couple episodes of priapism and developed a functional megalophallus nearly the size of a football. Sex was impossible for him because of the size, so he got a penis reduction surgery. The penis was fully functional though despite its size. Just too big for penetration into a vagina.

NOW, the interesting part to me is this.. the doctors of that surgery said in the article that the penis had massive amounts of HEALTHY, FIBROUS BLEEDING tissue and smooth muscle. It was not just an overly stretched tunica that could hold more blood. It was actually new tissue growth that resulted from hypoxia (reduced blood oxygen). It's also important to note that his penis grew to this insane size FOLLOWING the priapism, not during.

We know that hypoxia results in growth of collagen and smooth muscle. So why are we not more focused on cutting off blood oxygen more often (for short periods) with the goal of stimulating hypoxic growth of new tissue?

Maybe something along the lines of tying off an erection until the penis turns purple and then releasing for a few minutes and repeating this several times per session to stimulate tissue growth? Any thoughts on this??

Thanks!

Many have tried this including myself and it is a tough one to stick with. I attempted it by forces priapism through VIAGRA. I could get up to 3-4 hours of an erection but it got so hard to maintain I stopped. Many other guys have tried the same. If someone was able to actually stick with a plan it would definitely cause similar growth, but most men can barely hold an erection for a half hour. Please, give it a go, see where you end up.

 

[Xxxi]

I appreciate the experienced feedback DLD. I think there might be a difference though between a prolonged erection from viagra or Pge1 or edging Versus hypoxia. When you have a priapism, it doesn't necessarily mean that oxygen levels drop. Different situations cause different types of priapism with different amounts of blood flow / oxygen suppression. Maybe your viagra priapisms still allowed enough flow in and out to keep oxygen levels up and not hypoxia.

The medical operation I referred to said that the hypoxia was the cause of the tissue growth. So instead of chasing a long erection/priapism (which very well may not cause hypoxia), I'm going to try short periods of complete hypoxia. Meaning, tying the penis soo tight at the base that zero new blood gets in. I think that is the type of oxygen starvation that results in growth factors being released.

Just thinking out loud. Going to try some experimenting tonite.

 

[stillwantmore]

I got the best results from clamping 15-20 minute sets, 2-3 sets a day, 4-5 days a week. Best girth gain in a month was 1/4". I think that's great and any man should be happy with a gain like that in a months time.
I understand the appeal of big gains from simulating, or trying to simulate a priapism. However, the potential for injury, or causing some other damage that could cause erection problems outweigh the potential for gains. Examples do indeed exist in medical literature of functional megallophallus. Just as many examples also exist of non functional. Also, what color is worth the size? A permanently bruised up penis? I'd rather suggest a guy follows the examples those of us with 16+ years of experience have already laid out.

Don't try to blaze some new path based on one example that you likely cannot safely reproduce.

 

[Xxxi]

I got the best results from clamping 15-20 minute sets, 2-3 sets a day, 4-5 days a week. Best girth gain in a month was 1/4". I think that's great and any man should be happy with a gain like that in a months time.
I understand the appeal of big gains from simulating, or trying to simulate a priapism. However, the potential for injury, or causing some other damage that could cause erection problems outweigh the potential for gains. Examples do indeed exist in medical literature of functional megallophallus. Just as many examples also exist of non functional. Also, what color is worth the size? A permanently bruised up penis? I'd rather suggest a guy follows the examples those of us with 16+ years of experience have already laid out.

Don't try to blaze some new path based on one example that you likely cannot safely reproduce.

That's incredible gain bro! My question is though, are you 100% sure that none of your clamping gains were due to hypoxia induced new-tissue growth? Clamping itself can definitely cut off blood flow and therefore deprive oxygen. I'm wondering if the cumulative effect of all your 15-20min sessions of oxygen deprivation could have triggered growth of new fibrous tissue. What do you think?

 

[stillwantmore]

No, proper clamping allows blood flow in and out. It's just restricted and under greater pressure than other techniques can produce. See my clamping vids for example.

 

[chargains]

Would you mind sharing the article you read those details from? I'm vaguely familiar with the case but I was under the impression his priapism was non-ischemic. Did you read the case study for it or was it from an online news article?

 

[Xxxi]

Would you mind sharing the article you read those details from? I'm vaguely familiar with the case but I was under the impression his priapism was non-ischemic. Did you read the case study for it or was it from an online news article?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...15/02/18/penis-reduction-surgery-grow-up/amp/

 

[Xxxi]

Please read it and let me know what You think bro. All that growth from only 3 priapisms. And all the growth was smooth muscle and collagen!

 

[stillwantmore]

Let's not forget another complexity often in the "mix" in these cases, sickle cell anemia.

 

[DLD]

Let's not forget another complexity often in the "mix" in these cases, sickle cell anemia.

Something that only pertains to African Americans (mostly) minority being Middle Easterners and Mediterranean men. It is important to know that mega-phallus does occur in some cases due to priapism but in most of those case the penis renders useless and impotent. The chances of mega-phallus and having it work correctly are low. A good case of SCA is Shane Diesel or Tony Duncan, the latter worse.

 

[chargains]

My issue with that article is that it's not primary and on the news front which means that the medical details may not be accurate. It appears that the author was using a baseline definition of priapism when they wrote about the lack of oxygen. Priapism is a little more complicated than people give it credit for, especially when sickled RBCs are brought into the mix. It's more likely a combination of acute hypoxic conditions with pressure deformation. This I can't confidently say. I don't have access to the case study but I can direct you to where it's found. I can also get you access to a short video with a few surgery details (graphic). This may shine a little more light on the case. If anything, it will at least help us learn more about this. I'm no expert on priapism but from my knowledge, the tissue that they were working with didn't appear to have any hypoxic features. Finding information on his 3 episodes would be beneficial to identifying the type of priapism he experienced as well.

I see alot of guys mentioning something along the lines of priapism for growth and maybe one day someone (maybe one of the guys reading this thread) will figure out a safe way to induce growth from it. That being said, priapism is definitely not a playing matter as many will tell you, it's a significant chance to do permanent damage. I suppose that can be my disclaimer lol.

 

[LONGERDICK7+]

SCA can be more like a curse than a blessing....

 

[chargains]

SCA can be more like a curse than a blessing....

Considering when sca is actually beneficial vs the issues it causes as a disease, I don't think any affected would consider it a blessing to be honest. Plus the part of interest to this thread (priapism) doesn't occur very frequently either, only in about 4% of cases under 18 and 42% over 18 (including functional and non functional).

 

[DLD]

SCA can be more like a curse than a blessing....

Very much so. In many cases the penis is rendered useless. In very few cases, extremely rare conditions a man with SCA will benefit from it but this is like a white crow.

 

[LONGERDICK7+]

Very much so. In many cases the penis is rendered useless. In very few cases, extremely rare conditions a man with SCA will benefit from it but this is like a white crow.

Really bad situation..Lets stick to our PE routines get the best out of that.Experimenting and looking for the perfect routine can be an excruciating task...What are the devices for..then

 

[megamike]

I'm gonna test this theory

 

[DLD]

I'm gonna test this theory

Test as you will Mike but it takes some serious dedication. I hope you can prove something.

 

[megamike]

Test as you will Mike but it takes some serious dedication. I hope you can prove something.

I clamped for about 3 hours and pumped to keep a very high eq. woke up this morning and my flaccid was significantly chubbier

 

[DLD]

I clamped for about 3 hours and pumped to keep a very high eq. woke up this morning and my flaccid was significantly chubbier

I got to about 20 days, I think, before it just became too much. I hope you have what it takes to get to the point of making this work.

 

[Xxxi]

I'm also trying it out. There's just too much literature I've seen about hypoxia causing smooth muscle growth / blood vessel growth for me not to give it a go. I'll definitely make a new thread later on about the success IF it works!

I did it yesterday with a hose clamp. Put it on, stimulated some blood into my penis, and then tightened it down to about the size of a men's wedding band... VERY tight. Penis stayed engorged for over an hour and zero blood escaped. My penis got pretty dark colored after about an hour and half and went almost totally numb (very weird feeling). When that happened, I unscrewed the clamp and let the blood move around again. I did that process twice yesterday. Will continue it atleast once or twice per day and see if I can get some new tissue growth

Had sex a few hours after the constriction experiment and it worked perfectly and was very hard, so no negative EQ effects.

 

[stillwantmore]

Interesting feedback so far Xxxi. I hope you keep a log, before, during and after pics. The best PE experiments last at least 60-90 days. This allows you to rule out any 'fluke' situations. For example, one amazing workout and then the next three are horrible. I have been around this community long enough to know that many men report "great results" from "Exercise X" that everyone should try, but they only did it once themselves.

Bare in mind, it is usually advised in PE....with hanging for example, that blood flow should not be cut off completely for more than 20 minutes due to the potential for nerve damage and cell death. You are brave. Just be careful. At the first [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]sign[/words] of any negative issues with your penis, please stop.

 

[chargains]

I agree, cutting supply for an extended amount of time can lead to complications. Especially if the inflow and outflow is blocked. Definitely keep a log for yourself and let us know how it goes.

When you did your experiment were there any noticeable conditions? In addition to the color change and numbness that is

Here is a thread in the forums that I think you may find interesting @Xxxi http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-20505.html

 

[Xxxi]

Thank you guys soo much for the feedback and info. The link to that thread is incredible and spot on to my logic. I'm not going to disappear or keep you guys in the dark. I'll comment back atleast once every couple weeks with an update. I don't think a day-to-day log is necessary because I don't expect gains to be that sudden. But I'll definitely let you guys know when measurements change and are solid.

And no. I don't really notice much else other than purple color and numbness yet. I don't really plan on taking it further than numbness though. I think once it goes numb, it's a good time to take a short break. I think that small increments of oxygen starvation over time will result in small cellular changes and small growth that will add up over time much like working out in the gym to grow muscle tissue.

The goal is: enough oxygen starvation to induce the growth response, but not prolonged enough starvation to cause tissue death. Stimulate, don't annihilate.

 

[chargains]

Thank you guys soo much for the feedback and info. The link to that thread is incredible and spot on to my logic. I'm not going to disappear or keep you guys in the dark. I'll comment back atleast once every couple weeks with an update. I don't think a day-to-day log is necessary because I don't expect gains to be that sudden. But I'll definitely let you guys know when measurements change and are solid.

And no. I don't really notice much else other than purple color and numbness yet. I don't really plan on taking it further than numbness though. I think once it goes numb, it's a good time to take a short break. I think that small increments of oxygen starvation over time will result in small cellular changes and small growth that will add up over time much like working out in the gym to grow muscle tissue.

The goal is: enough oxygen starvation to induce the growth response, but not prolonged enough starvation to cause tissue death. Stimulate, don't annihilate.

Great. If I find anything else you might find useful I will send it along. Good luck with your experiment.

 

[stillwantmore]

Yep, will be interesting to see.

 

[DLD]

Yep, will be interesting to see.

Agreed.

Get the popcorn out

 

[stillwantmore]

I genuinely hope he sees gains. Could be a new concept for PE that would not have been allowed to even be discussed on other forums.

 

[chargains]

Thank you guys soo much for the feedback and info. The link to that thread is incredible and spot on to my logic. I'm not going to disappear or keep you guys in the dark. I'll comment back atleast once every couple weeks with an update. I don't think a day-to-day log is necessary because I don't expect gains to be that sudden. But I'll definitely let you guys know when measurements change and are solid.

And no. I don't really notice much else other than purple color and numbness yet. I don't really plan on taking it further than numbness though. I think once it goes numb, it's a good time to take a short break. I think that small increments of oxygen starvation over time will result in small cellular changes and small growth that will add up over time much like working out in the gym to grow muscle tissue.

The goal is: enough oxygen starvation to induce the growth response, but not prolonged enough starvation to cause tissue death. Stimulate, don't annihilate.

Here's another link relevant to your interests. Some information found within can help you get a glimpse of what the community has researched, hypothesized, and/or tried. Just something I ran across while browsing the forums. http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/...riapism-megallophallus-discussion-thread.html

And here's one I remembered reading through a long time ago started by DLD, might be helpful: http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/...8-enlargement-through-frequent-erections.html

 

[Xxxi]

Appreciate all the feedback! I've been doing it every day. Haven't measured but I will let you know when I do. If all is a success, I will absolutely post pics for you guys.

The reason I'm not too concerned about numbness/ color change is because of several penis strangulation cases I've read. One guy was stuck in a barbell weight clamp for 12+ hours, another was stuck in a very small diameter metal bolt for a day, another strangulated for hours per day for 6 years.... all were reported as ending up with full penile function.

My strangulation, although very intense, only lasts an hour at a time. I've noticed that I go numb and purple at about the 1-1.5 hour mark of being totally cut off. I then release the clamp and my penis returns to its original color and sensation within 2 minutes.

 

[Xxxi]

Also, I do appreciate the warnings. I'm not saying you are wrong or I'm right. Just simply stating what my experience is looking like. That's not to say that someone else will have the same effect. Maybe someone else could cut off blood flow for an hour and end up with ED or necrosis. I believe that is incredibly unlikely, but Im not able to confidently say that what I'm doing is safe or is not. Just taking it one day at a time!

 

[acromegaly]

Clamping too hard causes damage

 

[DLD]

Clamping too hard causes damage

Very important to follow this warning. Enlargement is not worth it if you end up damaging your penis. Overzealous users can end up with deep discoloration (permanent), thrombosis and a slew of other issues. If you are attempting clamping read every sticky and ask for any advice you may need.

 

[Xxxi]

I never get a rock hard erection during clamping. Even if I clamp it while rock hard, it always ends up at about 85-90%. During the oxygen starvation sessions, I screw the clamp on very tight, but nothing is under extreme pressure.I know that blood flow is totally cut off because the level of engorgement will stay exactly the same through the entire 1-1.5 hour.

The goal isn't to have an epic end-all session that gives me huge growth. My theory is, short but intense oxygen deprivation in effort of stimulating smooth muscle tissue growth without necrosis. If the oxygen is starved just enough to trigger only a tiny bit of tissue formation, over time, it'll add up. Everything we do on this forum starts out as theory. I'll keep you guys posted.

Flaccid looked pretty good today imo. Haven't measured erect lately, but before my shower I was curious and measured flaccid : nbp 5.6 length and 4.5 girth. My fat pad is about 3/4in. That flaccid measure is totally soft and not pressed into the fat pad at all though.
I think if I actually get new tissue growth, my flaccid size should change noticably.

Taking the day off today to allow for recovery and hopefully growth

 

[acromegaly]

Stop with the nonsense or ur going to destroy your EQ

 

[chargains]

How has your experiment been going xxxi?

It's been a week since you last posted on this thread. Have you noticed any positives with your experiment or encountered any negatives that made you stop?

 

[DLD]

How has your experiment been going xxxi?

It's been a week since you last posted on this thread. Have you noticed any positives with your experiment or encountered any negatives that made you stop?

Like I said, very tough to accomplish. Maybe he has been too busy but I truly hope he is keeping up with the experiment.

 

[Xxxi]

Still at it! Wasn't going to report back until I had a significant story to tell lol. I hate when people report 0.1 or 0.2 inch gains that could just be EQ. I was going to wait until I have atleast a half inch to tell about. My eq hasn't been great because I've been having A LOT of sex. I really need to chill out with that I know. But I've still been clamping for atleast an hour straight per day and making sure my penis turns Dark purple. I've noticed that when it gets very dark colored, white spots start to appear and that freaks me out so I un-clamp at that point. No huge noticeable gains as of now. I was gonna go another couple weeks and then measure and see what's going on. Will definitely let you guys know when I have a legit solid gain measurement to give ya. I promise

 

[DLD]

Still at it! Wasn't going to report back until I had a significant story to tell lol. I hate when people report 0.1 or 0.2 inch gains that could just be EQ. I was going to wait until I have atleast a half inch to tell about. My eq hasn't been great because I've been having A LOT of sex. I really need to chill out with that I know. But I've still been clamping for atleast an hour straight per day and making sure my penis turns Dark purple. I've noticed that when it gets very dark colored, white spots start to appear and that freaks me out so I un-clamp at that point. No huge noticeable gains as of now. I was gonna go another couple weeks and then measure and see what's going on. Will definitely let you guys know when I have a legit solid gain measurement to give ya. I promise

Good Shit! Thanks for pushing onward!

 

[megamike]

I have been doing the same but small changes, I clamp for at least 3 hours then pump,and I gotta say,its a hell of a pump. I have noticed a bit of change in flaccid but nothing till now in erect

 

[stillwantmore]

If this doesn't pan out, you might try approaching this like weight hanging. In other words, multiple 15-20 minute sets of high pressure clamping. Do a set, break for a few minutes with a return to full flaccid, repeat.

 

[PR69]

If i recall correctly, grandmaster redzulu had results from the time his dick went almost black. His guide was awesome.

 

[dickerschwanz]

This is always such an interesting topic. Im pretty sure that the expansion is the #1 factor in size increase even with pripism. Cause many big gainers have achieved gains through that either by intensity or time or both under expansion. Not many report of going towards numbness. So clearly there is no definite need to achieve that low oxygen enviroment to gain.
Most megalophallus seem to happen through low flow priapism where the dick basicly baloons up creating more and more expansion without blood leaving. The other is high flow priapism.

My strangulation, although very intense, only lasts an hour at a time. I've noticed that I go numb and purple at about the 1-1.5 hour mark of being totally cut off. I then release the clamp and my penis returns to its original color and sensation within 2 minutes.

Im clamping for many years and after some minutes totally clamped off it gets very dark and cold already.
I cant imagine having stale blood for 1.5 hours without any fresh one in.
I could clamp for a long time kegeling in fresh blood all the time and let some of the old leave.

What does the temperature feel like? It must feel very cold like ambient room temperature at the most?
I cant imagine you having not tissue death after 20-40 minutes.

I never get a rock hard erection during clamping. Even if I clamp it while rock hard, it always ends up at about 85-90%. During the oxygen starvation sessions, I screw the clamp on very tight, but nothing is under extreme pressure.I know that blood flow is totally cut off because the level of engorgement will stay exactly the same through the entire 1-1.5 hour.

So you clamp of a semi erection?
Which size do you reach while clamping? Bigger then your normal erect size? Or are you not aiming for expansion but simply for oxygen deprivation?

 

[Xxxi]

I can't get a 100% rock hard erection clamped off. Never have been able to. It always ends up somewhat squishy lol. So I clamp off an 80-90% erection. Main goal is less oxygen.

I don't think priapism megalophallus is caused by the pressure. I'll explain why. In every medical case I've seen of megalophallus after priapism, the CC was reported hypoxic. I also believe megalophallus has tissue growth, not just a stretched out tunica. If it were just a crazy tunica stretch, then the penis would actually shrink when flaccid. However, megalophallus penises stay the same size when flaccid and just get harder when erect. That is because there is new tissue in there. Also, to actually stretch out the tunica THAT much would take MASSIVE pressure. We all know how tough the tunica is. And to get enough pressure to deform it to the extent of a 8 or 10in girth (megalophallus size), you'd basically need arteries that pump blood into it with the force of a damn pressure washer imo. I really don't think you can just "engorge" to the point of deforming the tunica that much.

In one case I read, it says the megalophallus was caused by a "sudden loss of tunica elasticity". I believe that was because of a chemical change within the structure of the tunica (probably caused by lack of oxygen). And in another case, when a megalophallus REDUCTION surgery was done, the doctors reported cutting out and removing bleeding TISSUE. So, I think some kind of chemical reaction is what is causing the tunica to weaken soo much and new tissue to actually grow. There's no way this (kind of megalophallus size gain) is just caused by pressure and sheer force.

 

[acromegaly]

Well you are trying to create a unique medical occurrence (that doesn't always end well). Using proper techniques like stretching and water pumping you maybe, MAYBE, will get ur dream size. Not trying to poo poo you just trying to help out. Also IMO rock hard bullet proof EQ would be the first step of creating a beneficial priapism. You are just cruising for a bruising, literally.

 

[megamike]

If this doesn't pan out, you might try approaching this like weight hanging. In other words, multiple 15-20 minute sets of high pressure clamping. Do a set, break for a few minutes with a return to full flaccid, repeat.

I think a longer period is better because it simulates the episode more than smaller sets