One thing I would think is people should not do is compare the penis to the way muscles heal. THE Penis EnlargementNIS IS A ORGAN. Muscle are designed to deal with stress and muscle gains are a side effect. I dont know how the penis responds to repeated stress. Now Im a health nut and believe rest is the key for MUSCLE but can someone explain how your penis grows from exercises and heals? If rest was the key there would never be these guys who use streching device for hours daily and seeing results. And guys who jelq for a hour or more daily and make huge gains. I was thinking of a 2on/1off thing but part of me feels like why take the day off I could be missing out on great gains?
Healing process is confusing?
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Let your dick do the talking. I can do almost every day. Some people can't.
Let your dick do the talking. I can do almost every day. Some people can't.
What about guys who do [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] or ADC do you think the penis heals very quickly or do they need rest days?
I was thinking about giving ADC a chance.
I was thinking about giving ADC a chance.
For me rest is required based solely on the amount of Penis Enlargement. If I keep the weight low, I can do it all day. If it's high I need some rest. When I'm on a cycle and using only the static heavy I can go all day with it. When I'm hanging though 12 pounds can give me a bit of soreness that needs rest else it'll get worse.
The tissues we're trying to grow are stupid and react to stress by trying to lessen it: they grow or adapt in the direction of the force. The best is a mild but persistent stretch 24/7. However there isn't any thing out there that can perform this task. Sleeves don't have enough tension and usually grow only skin. Also it isn't very practical or comfortable to have your flaccid in a sleeve 24/7.
Nooses and straps can't be worn constantly either. The only thing I've been able to wear without issue is the SS HD but I don't wear it 24/7. Come to think of it, I don't know why I've never tried that. Other than: what a pain in the ass to have something on your junior all the time.
So we're left with trying to use higher forces. So we need to rest so we don't do real damage. That's my experience anyway. So low force = high time with no rest. High force = low time but with rest. (If the force is too low like with a sleeve then don't bother all you'll get is a good hang afterward.)
The tissues we're trying to grow are stupid and react to stress by trying to lessen it: they grow or adapt in the direction of the force. The best is a mild but persistent stretch 24/7. However there isn't any thing out there that can perform this task. Sleeves don't have enough tension and usually grow only skin. Also it isn't very practical or comfortable to have your flaccid in a sleeve 24/7.
Nooses and straps can't be worn constantly either. The only thing I've been able to wear without issue is the SS HD but I don't wear it 24/7. Come to think of it, I don't know why I've never tried that. Other than: what a pain in the ass to have something on your junior all the time.
So we're left with trying to use higher forces. So we need to rest so we don't do real damage. That's my experience anyway. So low force = high time with no rest. High force = low time but with rest. (If the force is too low like with a sleeve then don't bother all you'll get is a good hang afterward.)
Girth Hammer;342866 said:
I've theorised the same point over in my mind. But then again I guess it may be largely genetic, Arnie was made great gains volume training, it wasn't until Yates took it to a whole new level that people realised they could make greater gains with a different technique. Maybe the same goes for Penis Enlargement, although some people make gains with lots of time and no rest, they could have made faster gains had they taken rest days. I'm personally going to start taking a rest day 1 on 1 off, I noticed while being forced to have 4 days off (lifestyle factors) I could feel sensations in my penis, towards the end of the break I was suffering from almost constant boners like I'd been taking viagra, and my penis looked slightly bigger (ruler said 1/10" BPenis EnlargementL gain, but I don't think that sort of increase should be recorded)
My thing is since the penis is a organ I would have to assume the tissue in it heals very quickly.
Im hoping that although Im a total noob to Penis Enlargement youll read this because I know some stuff about whats involved (its part of my degree - I have to know what it should look like, what a diseased stuff looks like and how to make it better - and how its function changes in the above states - Okay its in animals but were nothing but mammals etc.) so Ill have a go.. and Im really sorry its so long, but "knowledge is power" etc.
Well.. the penis is made of smooth muscle among other things.. It's a little bit like skeletal muscle (biceps etc.) - because it contains the same molecules - but it is arranged much differently, is not excited by neuronal stimulation and contracts slightly differently.
Briefly: If weightlifiting the increase in muscle size is due to lifting heavier weights which causes the following:
The number of sarcomeres increases, and the distance between M-line and Z-disk decreases. So you pack more muscle into the space you orignially have by making things more compact and shoving more in. (Think a line of beer cans - if you do weightlifting - you crush all these cans into shorter ones and add more shorter ones on the end to keep the line of cans the same length - but there would be many more cans in the line after crushing them)
Picture of structure of skeletal muscle to help explination:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/Sarcomere.svg/775px-Sarcomere.svg.png
Now for the penis:
Ive looked at a few articles on google about smooth muscle growth - and what a surprise.. not much is known.
But there is some interesting information about how they have grown vascular smooth muscle (whats in the cock) which was under constant mecanical stress for 48 hours. And in 48hours there was an overall 40% increase in the number of cells.
This was done on glass plates though and isnt specific to penis tissue (though it is the same)
There was probably also a selection of growth factors (hormones) specifically for the promotion of the growth of this tissue.
As for the other tissues in the penis:
If you (for some reason) really really badly wanted to do the splits it would be wise to take it slow to avoid injury.
If you were really commited 20minutes a day of stretches and eventually you would get there. (I understand that the anaolgy uses tendons instead of ligaments but the difference is not massive, apart from in the above analogy there would also be a level of skeletal muscle stretch which would make it easier)
So taking the above information - for growth of smooth muscle I think it is not -as- required to take a break for more than 24 hours in comparioson to the other cell types down there.
(Note: cell death was not measured in the study)
But for all the other tissues in the penis - I would say may need a bit more time to adjust to the stresses. A break to avoid damage. (Think skiiers or super-obese (is that what its termed?) people that over do it and damage their cruciate ligament.
So, If it hurts then stop doing it (obviously!) proliferation rates can be quite remarkable, the body is well designed to adjust to stess. If the stretches are heavy you'll need more time for the cells to proliferate and heal compared to light stretches,
I personally think you could find a level at which you stretch everything and only need the hours from sleep to recover which would give you the best gains. - No breaks and working to your maximum level. (I feel the same for bodybuilding - and am experimenting at this moment with both Penis Enlargement and bodybuilding)
I would suggest the older guys here took more breaks though because they are at more risk of ligament damage... and Its supposed to be very painful.
That took ages.
And I await people to disagree with me.
But I hope that because I went into depth (sortve) I give somone with more knowlege an Idea.
WW10
Well.. the penis is made of smooth muscle among other things.. It's a little bit like skeletal muscle (biceps etc.) - because it contains the same molecules - but it is arranged much differently, is not excited by neuronal stimulation and contracts slightly differently.
Briefly: If weightlifiting the increase in muscle size is due to lifting heavier weights which causes the following:
The number of sarcomeres increases, and the distance between M-line and Z-disk decreases. So you pack more muscle into the space you orignially have by making things more compact and shoving more in. (Think a line of beer cans - if you do weightlifting - you crush all these cans into shorter ones and add more shorter ones on the end to keep the line of cans the same length - but there would be many more cans in the line after crushing them)
Picture of structure of skeletal muscle to help explination:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/Sarcomere.svg/775px-Sarcomere.svg.png
Now for the penis:
Ive looked at a few articles on google about smooth muscle growth - and what a surprise.. not much is known.
But there is some interesting information about how they have grown vascular smooth muscle (whats in the cock) which was under constant mecanical stress for 48 hours. And in 48hours there was an overall 40% increase in the number of cells.
This was done on glass plates though and isnt specific to penis tissue (though it is the same)
There was probably also a selection of growth factors (hormones) specifically for the promotion of the growth of this tissue.
As for the other tissues in the penis:
If you (for some reason) really really badly wanted to do the splits it would be wise to take it slow to avoid injury.
If you were really commited 20minutes a day of stretches and eventually you would get there. (I understand that the anaolgy uses tendons instead of ligaments but the difference is not massive, apart from in the above analogy there would also be a level of skeletal muscle stretch which would make it easier)
So taking the above information - for growth of smooth muscle I think it is not -as- required to take a break for more than 24 hours in comparioson to the other cell types down there.
(Note: cell death was not measured in the study)
But for all the other tissues in the penis - I would say may need a bit more time to adjust to the stresses. A break to avoid damage. (Think skiiers or super-obese (is that what its termed?) people that over do it and damage their cruciate ligament.
So, If it hurts then stop doing it (obviously!) proliferation rates can be quite remarkable, the body is well designed to adjust to stess. If the stretches are heavy you'll need more time for the cells to proliferate and heal compared to light stretches,
I personally think you could find a level at which you stretch everything and only need the hours from sleep to recover which would give you the best gains. - No breaks and working to your maximum level. (I feel the same for bodybuilding - and am experimenting at this moment with both Penis Enlargement and bodybuilding)
I would suggest the older guys here took more breaks though because they are at more risk of ligament damage... and Its supposed to be very painful.
That took ages.
And I await people to disagree with me.
But I hope that because I went into depth (sortve) I give somone with more knowlege an Idea.
WW10
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rivieraman71;347486 said:
Im a total newbie too, but I think that you COULD do stretching once or even twice a day (say first thing in the morning and last thing at night) but its down to how much you put it through - you would need to find the line between overdoing things and being within your confort zone - then train on that line but not going over it.
If youre at "the line" or below, 24 hours should be long enough. Depending on how much you overdo things alters how much longer you need to recover.
For example:
You could do either 2 sets of light 20 minute jogs (one in the morning one in the evening) or a long 40 minute jog.
The second COULD and think does take longer to recover from (lactic acid build up, low glycogen stores and more muscle damage) than the first.
But WHICH one provides the best gains?
I would vote the 2x20 mins because you need less recovery time following it.
You could find that doing 2x21 minute jogs leads to slight soreness which prevents normal training - potentially reducing gains.
Im sorry to bring it back to skeletal muscle, but I cant think of anything to compare it with.
REDZULU2003
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Worldwonder10 I like your posts and clever mind ... very detailed which is very welcomed here on [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] so dont feel you cant say anything like this here in fear of flames in your face.
Its threads like this which give us BETTER understanding in this field and dld will be the first to admit that many great discoveries are first found via these forums!!! Knowledge is certainly power.
Its threads like this which give us BETTER understanding in this field and dld will be the first to admit that many great discoveries are first found via these forums!!! Knowledge is certainly power.
I think 2x20 would give a better workout but I agree that the healing time would be more. After you do the workout in the morning the ligs would start to heal themselves in the afternoon. Soon as they start to heal you can do another stretch session. I think this would shock the ligamants into growing and you would get a better workout this way. Would probably have to take more than 1 day of rest though, maybe 2. I actually tried this a few times. Maybe I will begin this routine again and see what my gains are for the month.
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REDZULU2003;347567 said:
Thanks very much - Im very flattered.
I always get really nervous posting stuff like this because people are quite likely to contradict me (which is fine) but go about it in a way which makes me not want to post things in the future.
I experienced this a lot on weightloss/bodybuilding forums - but whatever I worked out seemed to work and I lost 60lbs in 12 months and now I have a BathmateI of 20 or something and almost a 6 pack.
And Rivieraman - I personally think that the 2 sets of 20 minute jogs are easier to recover from but may not give the best gains per session..
HOWEVER! Doing a 40 minute jog would potentially give a better result but would take longer to recover from.
So say after a weeks you would get either
4x40 minutes
or
7x2x20 (or 7x40)
Resulting in just under double the gains.
As your body starts to get used to it each session could be increased to 2x25 instead of 1x50 etc. etc.
(4x40 minutes) Is that 1 session a day 4 days a week? And is 7x2x20 (or 7x40) twice a day 7 days a week?
I think I see what your saying about the 2 sets of 20 minute jogs are easier to recover from but may not give the best gains per session. Is it because the micro damage to the body is spanned out over a longer period of time and isn't in one big session?
I think I see what your saying about the 2 sets of 20 minute jogs are easier to recover from but may not give the best gains per session. Is it because the micro damage to the body is spanned out over a longer period of time and isn't in one big session?
rivieraman71;347604 said:
Yes
And yes - The damage is in 2 smaller doses so during the day you can recover a bit.(Although healing rates are slower during the day than during sleep)
Gains are essentially an adaption to stress/strain = the more you strain the more you gain.
Im essentially trying to say I personaly think that you can split the straining into two sessions - and cover what you normally would in one session (and maybe even a little bit more) without having a 24 hour break until the next session. [7days on 0 day off opposed to 3/4days on 4/3 days off)
Another Idea - which sort of follows on.
I also think that because you dont ever fully recover until the next session you could force growth to be faster. Think bone stretching procedures:
You make a break in the bone
Just as the bone starts to re-bind, you could make that length just a little bit bigger.
And everytime, just before it binds you make it a little bit further away.
(repeated partial recovery)
Opposed to making a break and just letting it heal.
(full recovery) and rebreaking it.
Clearly the 1st situation is much faster - but still relatively slow.
So you could do twice as much work, and have added benefits.
-This is debatable because I dont know enough about what sort of "damage" you do when stretching and expanding.
I think stretching has more in common with this idea than expansion. But expansion would be smooth muscle growth anyway and according to my findings on trusted google Phd students and rat tissues that grows faster - hence why people find they have improved EQ quite early on and I seem to see more people reporting proportionally larger girth gains compared to length gains.
I hope Im not looking like a right loser - Just want to get people thinking and suggesting and hopefuly improving peoples Penis Enlargement experience!
WW10