Going to try Manual Tugging

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Since progress seems to be much too slow with my current method, I'm going to try something based on this link I read yesterday.

I have been wearing my CAT II for 8+ hours a day, but the progress has slowed to the point there almost doesn't seem to be any. I've seen very little progress since about 5 months ago. I'm not going to get rid of it, just give it a well-deserved vacation.

My new routine consists of hard manual tugging for one 20-30 minute session each day. Applying Udder Cream after the session and using a Playtex NaturaLatch nipple to maintain coverage for the other 23.5 hours each day. Images of these products below.

The manual tugging for now will be by gripping the glans with one hand, pulling away from the body, and stretching the skin towards the base with the other. I've done this for the last two days and I like it.

I'll take some pictures soon and post them here.

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Sounds like a great idea. I use (currently) four different methods for restoring, mixing them up, and manual tugging is one of the methods. I am also becoming a believer in treating the shaft skin with lotion or potion or homebrew to keep it hydrated and supple.

Cheers MDC! KOT!
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Hey Gravesubject,
I have to agree that you must try different things to see what works for you. In the past I've made excellent progress with T-tape, but then I found Penis Enlargement and eliminated my gains. ;) Last year I made good progress with the CAT-II wearing it 8-12 hours per day, but the gains tapered off.

Today is the third day of my manual routine. 30 minutes of stretching, then applying the udder cream and my "keeper". I'm also applying the cream at night and things are feeling nice and soft.

Immediately following my stretching routine today I took pictures of my modified nipple and it installed. Amazingly it will stay on for many hours and even overnight the first night(came off last night).

KOT!

Gravesubject said:
Sounds like a great idea. I use (currently) four different methods for restoring, mixing them up, and manual tugging is one of the methods. I am also becoming a believer in treating the shaft skin with lotion or potion or homebrew to keep it hydrated and supple.

Cheers MDC! KOT!
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I think I'll keep this thread as a journal to help keep my program going.

Yesterday I did 20 minutes, and today I did about 20 minutes total(split into 2 sessions) of manual tugging. I can't tell if I'm getting more coverage than a few days ago since I'm keeping it covered using the nipple.
 
Since I really want this to work, I've maintained my program. 35-40 minutes yesterday, and 20 today. I've forgotten to put the nipple on at night but other than that it's been covered almost all the time.

The Udder cream really does seem to make the skin softer. I've been using it 2-3 times per day.
 
20 minutes per day, every day since Sunday. I just checked with a ruler and compared to what I posted in the "keeping track of progress" thread and it's up about 3/8" from the measurment I got last week! There has to be some margin for error, but it is definitely up.
 
Yeah, but now the initial skin stretching will come to a screeching halt. But it's great to see that I could made some immediate gains.
 
philadelph said:
MDC what is your flaccid girth? I think I want to try that nipple thing but I don't know if it would fit me.
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Flaccid girth is about 5.25" That nipple is one of the larger ones, and there is a pretty large variation in size if it's too big.

BTW, it's the same nipple that Tom ships with the CAT-II RO these days. He used to use the cone part of a toilet flapper. :p
 
MDC said:
Flaccid girth is about 5.25" That nipple is one of the larger ones, and there is a pretty large variation in size if it's too big.

BTW, it's the same nipple that Tom ships with the CAT-II RO these days. He used to use the cone part of a toilet flapper. :p
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Thanks for the info. Yeah I thought your flaccid did look a bit large and I was right.
 
Tom now ships it with the Natural latch nipple? He used to ship it with the Ventaire nipple. They look similar, but I'm not sure if there's a difference in size.
 
Stuff,
I'm not sure about it now that you mention it. I do know that Tom recommended a couple of different ones as replacement for the original cone, including the naturalatch. I see that the Ventaire one is a lot cheaper. ;)
 
I dont know about you but im starting to get tired of cross taping in the respect that becuase of it the skin on my dickhas gotten real dry and cracked, basically real uncomfortable

I found a solution when i was going through my closet and i found a small bottle of axe and i used the Cap and used it to keep my 'fauxskin' in place. Its actually quite comfortable its very similar to MDC'S nipple. I can wear it all day without it coming off.
 
I've adjusted my manual tugging time to about 15 minutes per day since the last post.

Gravesubject,
If you have any suggestions on how much time or how much tension to use, I'm listening. ;)
 
philadelph,
I had done FR for over a year starting over 7 years ago, but got to the point where I couldn't use T-tape any more because of skin problems it caused. At that point I had about 50% flaccid coverage all the time. That's also about the time I found Penis Enlargement, and decided to go with Penis Enlargement and put FR on the back burner. Through Penis Enlargement I lost all my coverage (1.5" flaccid and erect length gains).

Last May I got reinterested in FR and purchased the CAT II, which I used until I started manual tugging a few weeks back. Right now I get pretty good coverage when wearing underwear, but it's usually gone after 10-20 minutes.
 
MDC said:
I've adjusted my manual tugging time to about 15 minutes per day since the last post.

Gravesubject,
If you have any suggestions on how much time or how much tension to use, I'm listening. ;)
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:) MDC, you probably know more about manual tugging than I do! I've just been doing about 3-5 minutes in the morning and after I pee during the day, before I put my keeper ring back on. I'm using my [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tugger[/words] and captn's wench with elastic strap in the evening and do 1-2 minutes of manual tugging after using each of those. As far as tension, I manually pull firmly enough to feel discomfort, but not pain, and I've started using corn starch (baby powder) to improve my grip because the skin below the glans is getting oily. I do pull pretty firmly on my [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tugger[/words] and cw since I don't have alot of time to do Penis Enlargement or FR. I'm do short-term, high-intensity workouts. Seems to be working: I've added 0.25" of inner skin, about 1.75" of shaft skin, and 0.25" to my BPFSL so far.

Cheers!
 
MDC said:
How long did it take to make those gains? I started using baby powder these last few days as well.
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Seven weeks for the FR gains and about three weeks for the Penis Enlargement gain, most in the past week (newbie challenge). Also, my flaccid length measurements have gone up by ~0.5", so that's taking away from the shaft skin lengthening - the price we pay.

How's the baby powder working for you? I think the results are great, but I always equate the smell with changing diapers... :barf:
 
I have just switched to only doing manual stretching on May 1st. I had been using t-tape (2 weeks) and the pill tube method (2.5 months), and made a little progress. I decided to switch to the manual method because it is getting warm out, and it might be more possible to notice something under my clothes. And because I was getting sores on my skin from where the tape or plastic would break the skin if I moved around too much. Plus I can direct more attension to certain areas of the skin in order to gain more on the top than on the bottom since I will need about 2.5 times more skin on the top side.

This process sure isn't fast, but as long as I am making gains, I will continue.

Do you pull the skin as hard as you can?
 
Vectormatch said:
Do you pull the skin as hard as you can?
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I'd say yes I do, but there's skin slippage even with baby powder. It isn't painful when I stretch, so don't plull as hard as you can if it hurts.

My current plan is to do the one 15-20 minute stretching session with 2-4 additional short sessions per day(1-2 minutes each). Just started the additional sessions yesterday, but I think it's a good addition.

I also put on my CAT II this morning. The way I use it isn't to create a lot of tension, but to keep the inner skin extended. Depending on how things go, I may add this to my routine regularly.
 
hello, just got my [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tlc[/words] [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tugger[/words] yesterday. I am dissapointed but I will need to try manuel tugging for several weeks before the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tugger[/words] will even possible to use. I was cut VERY tight and getting the skin even far enough over the inner cone is near impossibe, though I have been able to get everything on and in its place, it will not hold for more than a few moments. But the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tugger[/words] would work great If i had just a little more pliable skin from the shaft to pull forward. I found a graph at the NORM site comparing fr devices (after I already ordered the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tugger[/words]) and [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tugger[/words] got great reviews but it did say "works best with some skin to start with" which unfortunately is not me but I did go to several of the links from this thread and found great manual tugging advice and routines and just since yesterdays routine I alreaady notice new "loosness" that was not there before : ) Question: has anyone used neosporin ointment with benzocane as an after treatment for fr? I was wanting to try it because it just sounded so bennificial to skin chaffing and pain from stretching and help healing, let me know what think, Michael.
 
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Michael,
I don't think neosporin will do much, but it might be helpful. I've been using some hydrocortisone ointment the last few days since steroid ointments are known to help skin conditions.

On my program, I haven't been doing the 15-20 minutes sessions since my last post, but I have done a 10 minute session plus 3-4 shorter sessions per day. I've also been using my CAT II for several hours each day.
 
I got my betamethasone ointment today and will be using it twice a day for a month or so. It's a steroid ointment used to treat phimosis, which I assume is achieved through skin expansion.

On my manual tugging, I've been doing one or more 5-10 minute sessions and several more short ones daily, and wearing my CAT II for 3-4 hours per day on average.
 
MDC,

Excellent news, please keep us updated. I'm very curious as to whether the betamethasone significantly affects the dermis. If you see a sudden jump in skin length, I think that we will all be buying some betameth rofl

Cheers!
 
One idea on the betamethasone cream is that it thins out the skin. This isn't bad for a little bit because the natural foreskin is thiner. However, your restored foreskin may not cling to the glans as tightly.

This is a theory that I have heard, I don't know if it has any truth to it.
 
My penis' skin is very thick from all the Penis Enlargement and FR I've been doing, and it may have even started thick as best I can remember. I'll watch closely though just to make sure there are no problems.
 
MDC said:
My penis' skin is very thick from all the Penis Enlargement and FR I've been doing, and it may have even started thick as best I can remember. I'll watch closely though just to make sure there are no problems.
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MDC,

You're not misremembering; my skin has also gotten noticably thicker in the past ten weeks of FR.
 
I'm still working on it daily. Usually about 5 sessions of 1-2 minutes each, plus another 5-15 minute session most days. That plus putting on the betamethasone ointment 1-2 times per day and wearing the CAT II for several hours is my current program.

I tried measuring today to see if there's any progress. There wasn't any measurable gain. But it hasn't been long since the last measurment, and I wasn't very dedicated to getting an accurate measurment today.
 
Updated the "keeping track of progress" thread.

I switched to using the ointment once per day soon after the last post so it wouldn't be too greasy to tug. Either during sleep at night, or first thing in the morning if I forgot.

I'm still manual tugging 4-5 times per day for mostly short 1 minute sessions, with one of them being 5-30 minute session.

I'm averaging about 5-6 hours with the CAT II each day as well.
 
All I can say is that I made progress while using the betamethasone. But it may not be any better than 1% hydrocortisone even if it is helping, only more expensive. I'm still using it when I remember to.

If you want a device to apply constant tension that's nearly hassle free, the CAT II is just about the only option. Yes, I recommend it. To get the most benefit, you need to also use something like a cock ring to keep tension on the outer skin.
 
I usually use a rubber o-ring around the whole package when I do use one. It helps keep additional tension on the top skin. If you check the CAT Stretchers MSN group, you can find more info. I don't remember what Tom recommends, but it is covered there.
 
I've been slacking some for the last week. Still getting a few short manual tugging sessions each day, and wearing the CAT II for several hours each day. I plan to get back on track today with a longer session a little later.
 
I'm pretty much back on track now. I've been making progress of 1/2" per month, and I don't want to screw it up if I'm succeeding. Of course, an inch of stretched skin isn't equal to an inch of flaccid skin, so it's hard to tell the progress sometimes.
 
I've converted to tugging down my leg using the CAT II with a strap. It's time to change things up, so I've been doing it this way for 3 days now and plan to keep it up as long as there aren't complications.

I didn't think it would work, but with a new Playtex Ventaire nipple, it's able t hold without any problems with slipping. I also haven't seen any noticable circulation problems.

I hope this leads to much progress. :)
 
MDC;158511 said:
The manual tugging for now will be by gripping the glans with one hand, pulling away from the body, and stretching the skin towards the base with the other. I've done this for the last two days and I like it.
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This seems like the ideal tactic.
 
tyciol;424734 said:
This seems like the ideal tactic.
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I tried Manual tugging but it requires extreme dedication and persistence which I don't have. That's why manual tugging never worked for me
 
MrD;482392 said:
I tried Manual tugging but it requires extreme dedication and persistence which I don't have. That's why manual tugging never worked for me
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Very well said. For a lot of time men had little option but to use their hands and some primitive hanging methods. Today there are many good options including device oriented stretching like the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SizeGenetics[/words] or the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]Penimaster[/words], there is assisted stretching as seen with the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words] and [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PowerAssist[/words] and of course there is still manual efforts, which have improved exponentially over the years. Selecting one method for me is not really an option. I have found that my greatest gains have come from a routine that incorporates the above. I would never abandon manual work but I will never discount assisted and equipment based stretching. Having a large variety of exercise and method also keep me motivated and interested in my routine, essentially I am more proactive.
 
doublelongdaddy;482468 said:
Very well said. For a lot of time men had little option but to use their hands and some primitive hanging methods. Today there are many good options including device oriented stretching like the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SizeGenetics[/words] or the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]Penimaster[/words], there is assisted stretching as seen with the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words] and [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PowerAssist[/words] and of course there is still manual efforts, which have improved exponentially over the years. Selecting one method for me is not really an option. I have found that my greatest gains have come from a routine that incorporates the above. I would never abandon manual work but I will never discount assisted and equipment based stretching. Having a large variety of exercise and method also keep me motivated and interested in my routine, essentially I am more proactive.
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I recently started strapping with my [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]TLC[/words]-X and I know that I'm gonna see great progress with it. Even though my bathroom breaks at work have gone up because I have to adjust the strap an device every now and then, it fits my lifestyle. I may incorporate 5-10 minutes of manual here and there but it will never be my primary method of restoration.
 
MrD;482481 said:
I recently started strapping with my [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]TLC[/words]-X and I know that I'm gonna see great progress with it. Even though my bathroom breaks at work have gone up because I have to adjust the strap an device every now and then, it fits my lifestyle. I may incorporate 5-10 minutes of manual here and there but it will never be my primary method of restoration.
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Thats it! It is kind of like keeping your enlargement on mental change 24/7 and allowing the gains to happen.
 
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