George W. Bush Is Our President!!!

[Bigd5903]

Who said this was a racial thing?

 

[REDZULU2003]

My thoughts are this.
From what I've seen with regards to both Bush and Kerry, I woudlnt have voted for either, so its kinda a lose lose situation anyways as they both seemed shiet.
I have MANY thoughts on this, but wont go into it as I aint the time nor the effort to be arsed, but I aint happy with Bush being back......the UK as alot of you will know MUST follow what the USA says, which is pathetic but thats how it goes, we act like the puppy dog and the US thinks its the master.
The ONLY Prime Minister who stood their ground with the yanks was Thatcher, since than lol they all licked the yank ass.
I'm worried with Bush, cos he'l get the UK into more SHIT, we didnt have to go into this war and I WISH WE HAD NOT......but now were in we MUST BACK the US and finish it, I'm for that as I dont belive in running away from something you start, but with Bush back it can only mean more wars and more shit for the UK.
Some talk has been around, that alot of the UK has indeed wanted to VOTE in this US Election, as it EFFECTS THE UK B I G T I M E, because whatever leader the US gets, has a MASSIVE, well H U G E influence on our weak leaders here....we need a stronger leader ourself who wont entertain the US like we do and have.....Howard from the Conservatives looks the onlyone ATM.
So thats why you may hear alot of talk over the pond from the Brits about Bush, i.e in the BBC and the papers ect as he effects us over here and I DO NOT LIKE THAT, the US has NO rights to keep dragging us into its wars, which they did with this albeit Blair said yea, but hes a weak fucker anyways and would sell his granny for a tenner.
I have NOTHING AT ALL Agaisnt the USA, I have been their and its nice ect with nice people but I dont want my country getting entangled into their dirty washing, putting is in danger from the terrorists....it seems the US thinls the UK has somesort of DUTY to always follow her, when infact she doesnt....but we always do anyway or 9 times outta 10 we do. This must stop if the UK is to live in peace, it wont while Bush is in power unless we get a new PM whos STRONG and says NO to the USA.

 

[Shafty]

That's what I had to assume. Personally, I supported the Iraq war, but there is no denying it has been a difficult, costly campaign. I can understand that whole matter being up for debate.

However, I don't know what hopful expected the U.S. to do after 9/11. Personally, I find his suggestion that a response to 9/11 was a selfish action by the Bush Administration to be insulting. We had 3,000 people die. By and large, most were not soldiers or military employees, but office workers. So, they weren't German? I'm sorry this guy then fails to put it in perspective, or maybe he is so steeped with anti-Americanism that he really doesn't feel much for those victims. But the idea a response was selfish or unwarranted is ludicrous. His own government sent troops to Afghanistan to support the effort. I hope he didn't think that statement through very well, or else he's quite far removed from reality.

Yep, I wasn't really surprised, angry or anything when the U.S invaded Afghanistan. After all, it's not like they had a real government or any social structures that would have suffered from the invasion, and even if they had, the retaliation was needed and justified. That's where the main concentration of Al Qaeda forces was at the time, so the attack was a perfectly understandable course of action for the U.S. I guess at that point it wasn't known how widespread and pocketed the whole terrorist network was, since it seems that Al Qaeda is still very much active. I do hope to see the day when it is rooted out and destroyed for good, but I'm also being realistic in that it may never happen unless the U.S changes it's current foreign policy drastically.
My fingers are crossed for Bush to be more cooperative with Europe and the rest of the world in his second term. I think it will take the combined efforts of all the nations of the west to fight terrorism effectively, and most importantly, fight the very reasons why terrorism exists in the first place.

 

[REDZULU2003]

This is perhaps the NEXT British PM http://www.michaelhowardmp.com/ cant be anyworse than Blair and MOST IMPORTANT and relavant to this thread, wont do as the US leader says.....Howard has SAID he WILL NOT bow to the US.

I like Robert Kilroy-Silk the best http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3383875.stm The National Party, give him say another 4 years or so and they'll be a force....hes against the UK being ran by europe aka Brussells which Blair wants and also Against the US leaders saying do this and do that.

At least Blair aint long in power here, he wont get in again as hes hated here by his people, the fuckin sack of shit.....these two men I mentioned are STRONG leaders who are FOR BRITAIN, they wont do what Blair does and bow down all the time to US rulers.

 

[Texan]

so an american citizen is more important than any other race on earth?

First, being American is a nationality, not a race. If you are going to engage in politcial debate you really should learn the difference- it is kinda important. We have numerous races that make up our country and they are all equally important, and all equally American. That said, the safety of the American people is the most important thing for our President to consider. I do not know what country you are from, but I would suspect your leader is most concerned with the people of your country (as he/she should be).

Shithead, unless you are an American or an Iraqi, I don't know why you are griping about Bush. Bush acted in the security of our country- that is his job.

I understand what Red is saying, but he is displeased with Blair for going with the US in this thing. That is his call and perfectly within his right. It sucks that the Brits can't vote directly for PM.

 

[Shithead]

First, being American is a nationality, not a race. If you are going to engage in politcial debate you really should learn the difference- it is kinda important. We have numerous races that make up our country and they are all equally important, and all equally American. That said, the safety of the American people is the most important thing for our President to consider. I do not know what country you are from, but I would suspect your leader is most concerned with the people of your country (as he/she should be).

Shithead, unless you are an American or an Iraqi, I don't know why you are griping about Bush. Bush acted in the security of our country- that is his job.

I understand what Red is saying, but he is displeased with Blair for going with the US in this thing. That is his call and perfectly within his right. It sucks that the Brits can't vote directly for PM.

i agree with what your saying but its only coz you've misinterpreted what i meant. yes i was refering to a nation not race, oops words got mixed up who cares. and yes its obvious the leader of a country should be most interested in their own country.
but the way whoever said it before was like to anyone on earth they should all place america more important than anything else. which is bs.

 

[Bigd5903]

i agree with what your saying but its only coz you've misinterpreted what i meant. yes i was refering to a nation not race, oops words got mixed up who cares. and yes its obvious the leader of a country should be most interested in their own country.
but the way whoever said it before was like to anyone on earth they should all place america more important than anything else. which is bs.

I'm not even gonna bother explaining anythign cuz you'll never understand anything.

 

[Shithead]

I'm not even gonna bother explaining anythign cuz you'll never understand anything.

no please do explain yourself, im all ears.

you clearly said "Our safety is more important that anything". i interpret that to mean that america's safety is more important than my life, than my whole country, more important than poverty, more important than the lives of every single person who is not american, more important than absolutly ANYTHING as you put it.

please tell me if i've misinterpreted you.

 

[copper_handshak]

oops words got mixed up who cares

You sure cut yourself alot of slack when it comes to words dont ya shithead? Oh well, who cares?

you clearly said "Our safety is more important that anything". i interpret that to mean that america's safety is more important than my life, than my whole country, more important than poverty, more important than the lives of every single person who is not american, more important than absolutly ANYTHING as you put it.

The reason you interpret things that way is because it makes it easy for you to be what? HATEful.

Shithead, you would destroy all those different from you in a second if you could get away with it. Its so obvious. Try a little love shithead.

I feel for you, shithead....maybe were close enough by now that I may simply call you shit. You can call me copper. Together we will change the world.

 

[Shithead]

You sure cut yourself alot of slack when it comes to words dont ya shithead? Oh well, who cares?



The reason you interpret things that way is because it makes it easy for you to be what? HATEful.

Shithead, you would destroy all those different from you in a second if you could get away with it. Its so obvious. Try a little love shithead.

I feel for you, shithead....maybe were close enough by now that I may simply call you shit. You can call me copper. Together we will change the world.

will you please stop with the "hate" crap. your just sounding like a fool. i'm the one against wars and you say im tryin to destroy. im not interpreting anything in any particular way for me to hate more, thats just stupid, your a fool.

you didn't even touch the last arguments i put to you, you've simply been proven wrong, and in a desperate last attempt, instead of rebuting my argument your just now attacking me, which is pathetic and more importantly irrelevant to the issue.

 

[millionman]

instead of propsoing what's wrong with others posts, why don't you tell us how you would go about fixing the world's problems, like as you say poverty, solution to war, how would you protect us if you are against war??? I am not saying this to attack you, but to ask you a genuine question.

 

[Shithead]

instead of propsoing what's wrong with others posts, why don't you tell us how you would go about fixing the world's problems, like as you say poverty, solution to war, how would you protect us if you are against war??? I am not saying this to attack you, but to ask you a genuine question.

your changing the topic, but i suppose its pointless waiting for copper the other few to come around.

im not gonna fool you or myself, i don't have the answers to these questions you've proposed. but i can make a slight point at a question you asked, you said, how would i go about protectiing america in this situation. im assuming you mean how would i protect america against threats such as terrorism. correct me if im wrong.

there is no threat to america, there never was. the war has not prevented attacks on america bacause there was no one capable of launching those attacks.

attacking iraq is not a war to protect, ever seen the simpsons episode where lisa says that a rock keeps away tigers? for those who havn't, lisa has a rock that she claims keeps away tigers, everyone looks around and there are no tigers in the city, the rock must work, all hail the rock.

same thing for america, bush could say the war protects america, everyone looks around and sees no attacks on america, the war must have worked, you get my drift.

 

[kausion_420]

I see this war on terrorism no different than the war on drugs. They launched that war on drugs years ago claiming it would stop the drugs circulating in the US. There are more drugs in the US today than there was when they launched that war. In a country that spends trillions on defense, billions on air defense, how do you not spot small sesna's flying across your border? The only logical answer would be that they are flying the majority of the drugs in themselves. Then when independant drug dealers do fly sesna's over their borders they are busted and exploited on national television. That way they can prove to you through the media that the war on drugs in working.

The only real solution would be to wake up. The longer the people pretend nothing is wrong the farther the people with power will push. If a little dog can sense a hurricane coming days before it does and starts to run around and act frantic, how is it possible that one can live in a country where it is apparrent something is wrong and ignore it. I guess humans aren't as advanced as we had thought.

 

[Shithead]

good point on the drugs kausion, the stats show that fatalities from terrorist attacks have been steadily increasing since 2002.

 

[copper_handshak]

Saddam had the capabilities to provide chemical and biological agents to terrorists. Terrorists who for various reasons want to and could possibly use those weapons on not only American soil, but the soil of our allies. Now shithead, I wish you would change you handle by the way, I know you disagree with my position on Saddams ability to manufacture those weapons, and his connections with the type of people that would use them. I believe that the evidence is out there to back up my points. Many people agree with me, including some world leaders, members of intelligence communities, etc.

Preventing terrorism. Thats a tough one. I know that in India, in the places where hi-tech jobs have become abundant, there has been a noticeable decrease in extremist behavior and teachings. Thats one reason President Bush does not do more to stop the export of certain U.S. jobs over there. But is terrorism only about economics? I think its based on religious values. I think the West has become to sleazy and secular, and the Middle East is to 'dark ages' in there treatment of women and in other aspects. God, praying 5 times a day, shire law (sp?), how can one even talk about Christian Fundamentalism being extreme when you look at Islam? Now I like religion. I am fairly conservative when it comes to what I consider vulgarity on T.V., movies, music, etc. I have friends that are Muslim but jihad has got to stop. Its taking place everywhere, and will probably be coming to a place near you. Just the other day in the Netherlands. Plans in London for a chem attack. The Phillapines, Spain, Turkey, the list goes on. Its not just about America. I think its about conversion. Conversion to Islam. What do you think?

 

[copper_handshak]

Kausion, on the drug thing, its not that hard to smuggle coke into to the U.S. It just isnt. The pot is grown here, the meth is made here. Get this one, you know how people do indoor grows of course, well, their starting to do poppies indoors now to make there own herion instead of importing it. Isnt that wild? The war on drugs is a tough battle. Im for decrim when it comes to marijuana. Im a big medical supporter also. Im not sure about total legalization. Id rather see alcohol illegal than pot if I had to choose.
I do belive that some customs agents look the other way when it comes to letting coke slide by. I think those guys should be looking at life sentences for allowing that to happen, maybe that would put an end to it. But the government flying the shit in, no way. If it was happening the media would be all over it, Michal Moore would have a field day.
Hey, I probably shouldnt ask you this but, are you one of the guys that think the moon landings were all faked? Its cool if you are, Ive known some guys that believed that, friends of mine.

 

[Shithead]

im seeing a trend with you copper. you bring up an argument, it gets shot down, you quickly change the topic.

and if your interested, i think the moon landing was fake, for two reasons, 1. there is way to much proof to deny, and 2. the US had every reason to fake it.

 

[kausion_420]

and if your interested, i think the moon landing was fake, for two reasons, 1. there is way to much proof to deny, and 2. the US had every reason to fake it.

After reading your last couple posts I am finding something very interesting. The things you say somehow you are saying them right after I read things about them. As far as this moon landing hoax, 12 hrs ago I was reading something along the same lines. I can't say I agree with you that it is a hoax however. The reason I can't agree with you is because I have not researched the subject enough to have valid facts supporting it.

After just today reading that and now you posting it seems very strange. I am going to find more information about this.

 

[millionman]

Ok, moon landings being fake....someone hook me up with a link...I would appreciate it....

 

[kausion_420]

From what I read it wasn't landings. It was the first landing. Like I said I don't agree with this because I don't have enough info backing it.